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Nobody gives a fuck about Wisconsin or any of the tards who live there.

Rack Gobbles. Same shit going on in Washington with the Supreme Court. There's no even bothering to pretend to be ethical. Just look at Clarence Thomas and his developer friend in Dallas.

88 wrote:You might want to take something to rid yourself of those vaginal cramps, Goobs.

You're an attorney and this doesn't bother you? That's right, you're a conservative attorney.

The problem that a lot of people had with the whole collective bargaining thing was that it never was a budgetary consideration and should never have been in there from the start. It was also not a position that the governor brought forth in his campaign, and it caught a lot of people by surprise.

The “sympathetic judge” agreed with a local DA that the open meetings law had been violated. So do I. The republicans argued that the legislature was unencumbered by this law. The Supreme Court backed them on partisan lines.

Regarding your item 8, I don’t think what we’re seeing has happened often. To reiterate:

However, the decision of the Wisconsin Supreme Court revealed something far more shocking than the ruling which went against the supporters of collective bargaining. It revealed, by way of written opinion, a now ‘out in the open’ battle between the members of the court wherein the minority opinion bluntly and directly accused the majority of fudging the facts to reach the decision they had already determined they wanted to reach. The minority opinion further alleged that the majority was driven by political motives rather than the desire to deliver a fair and judicious opinion.

In the world of the law, this is beyond huge. This is gargantuan.

Of course, it is no secret that high courts will, from time to time, give us reason to believe that politics might be at work. However, members of such a court use extraordinary care and caution to avoid calling out a fellow justice for doing what is considered the unthinkable.

The notion that a minority opinion would level a charge of judicial cheating against brother and sister members of the court, in an opinion that will now become part of the Wisconsin judicial body of legal authority, is positively remarkable. I’ve read more cases in my life than I could possibly count and never-and I mean never- has anything I’ve seen so much as approached what I read in this case.

Regarding number 9, that remediation has already begun.

Regarding number 10, the republican minority could flee the state but collective bargaining would still be restored. It’s a NON-BUDGETARY item. Which is how this whole fight started in the first place.

Edit to add: I would be infavor of removing all 7 justices and starting from scratch.

The problems facing the American people did not begin with Obama. But I also don't believe he's done much to resolve them. You're totally wrong that "I don't give two shits about the process, only that your (my) side wins." I honestly believe that this is the most severely dysfunctional supreme court I've ever seen, and I don't ever want to see another like it. I don't care which way it tilts.

I'm non the partisan liberal you'd like to paint me to be. I said right at the front of this discussion that I didn't mind a reasonable consideration of collective bargaining. It just had no place in the budget bill. I think you might be surprised by the recall process in Wisconsin. I don't believe that you really have a feel for the sentiments being voiced in this state. People who have almost always voted straight republican who are totally repulsed by what this administration has done.

This hasn't been about reducing costs. Not in the least. This has been all about destroying our public education system for private profit. This administration has been thoroughly committed to continuing the flow of wealth from the the lower and middle classes to the highest levels of the upper class. You probably think that's all hunky dory. I think it's a recipe for disaster.

88 wrote:As for your contention that the purpose of the bill is to transfer wealth from the lower and middle classes to the highest levels of the upper class, I think you are smoking crack. The issue is whether public employees should be permitted to exercise collective bargaining rights. They have no right to do that unless the public grants it to them.

You're muddying the issue here. The purpose of the governor's budget is to transfer wealth from the lower and middle classes to the highest levels of the upper class. The collective bargaining should have been a separate discussion, a separate bill. Yes, it can affect the budget but it is a non-monetary item.

My concern is with the transfer of wealth that has taken place over the past 20 odd years.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e15923.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/1 ... 59516.html

I'm always puzzled by right wingers like yourself who seem to have no problem with this. With $75,000 in income tax, you're not one of the beneficiaries of this system.

I beleive we do need radical overhaul of our entitlement systems. It is way too easy for some people to sit back and collect easy money with little effort. It is a known fact that it's easy to collect government handouts in Wisconsin, hence the migration from Chicago which has brought an unprecedented level of criminality to God's Country.

Of course, some didn't even find it necessary to move here. Investigative journalists actually trailed people getting off a Greyhound bus from Chicago who headed straight to the social services offices to get their check, and two hours later they were on a bus headed back to Illinois.

I'm surprised Governor Wanker hasn't tried to address this issue, and as far as I know he never campaigned on it. I think it would have resonated with a lot of people, and done a lot to bring our budget back into line. Oh wait, that wouldn't have had any direct benefit to his wealthy donors. But pushing through a law backed by Miller-Coors which would harm microbrewers in the state is a great idea. That one's already started to blow up in his face.

Toddowen wrote:I'm really feeling something of a loss that I can't send a round of drinks to 88's table after that.

I'll be sending him some BBQ sauce.

Almost brought a tear to my eye reading that rant. Can't say I'd dissaprove with a single word of it.

Keeps getting better.



Wisconsin justice accuses colleague of choking her
Published - Jun 26 2011 08:58AM EST

MADISON, Wis. — A Wisconsin Supreme Court justice has accused another justice of choking her during an argument in her office earlier this month _ a charge her colleague denied.

Supreme Court Justice Ann Walsh Bradley told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that Justice David Prosser put her in a chokehold during the dispute. She contacted the newspaper late Saturday after Prosser denied rumors about the altercation.

"The facts are that I was demanding that he get out of my office and he put his hands around my neck in anger in a chokehold," Bradley told the newspaper.

Prosser said in a statement the allegations "will be proven false" once a "proper review of the matter and the facts surrounding it are made clear."

Wisconsin Public Radio and the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism, quoting anonymous sources, reported Saturday that the argument occurred before the Supreme Court's decision earlier this month upholding Republican Gov. Scott Walker's bill eliminating most of public employees' collective bargaining rights.

The argument allegedly took place in front of several members of the court. Messages that The Associated Press left with several justices and Capitol Police Chief Charles Tubbs were not returned.

A divided Wisconsin Supreme Court, in a 4-3 decision that included a blistering dissent, ruled that Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi overstepped her authority when she declared the polarizing union law void.

The fight over passage of Walker's collective bargaining bill came in the weeks leading up to a hotly contested state Supreme Court election, which conservative incumbent Prosser eventually won after challenger JoAnne Kloppenburg conceded defeat in late May. Supporters of Walker largely backed Prosser in hopes he would uphold the union rights bill in a legal challenge

And better.

The site for Gov. Scott Walker’s weekend budget signing ceremony was quickly changed Friday after staffers in his office learned the original site was owned by a convicted tax evader.

Gregory DeCaster, chief executive officer of the Green Bay area Badger Sheet Metal Works, was convicted of as many as eight felony counts of income tax evasion in the 1990s. Walker was scheduled to sign the $66 billion, two-year budget plan at the company on Sunday.

The governor’s office learned of DeCaster’s record Friday morning. A few hours later, Walker’s staff moved the 2 p.m. Sunday ceremony to Fox Valley Metal-Tech also in the Green Bay area.

“The business where we were going to originally sign the budget bill called us this morning to tell us about a decade-old tax-related issue that had not been previously disclosed to our office,” Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie said in a statement. “In light of this new information, we have decided to move the budget signing to a new location to keep the focus of the budget signing on ensuring Wisconsin has an environment that allows the private sector to create 250,000 new jobs by 2015.”

Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald, R-Horicon, and Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, R-Juneau, had no comment Friday. DeCaster did not return telephone calls seeking comment.

But Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca, D-Kenosha, said he was not very surprised by the news.

“Sloppiness from the start,” Barca said. “Like a lot of the legislation they’ve written. It seems they are always more concerned with speed than with getting things right.”

The change in plans echoed problems Walker ran into at the start of the budget, when the governor planned to deliver his budget address at a Madison livestock feed manufacturer. But days of protests against his collective bargaining proposals delayed the introduction of the spending plan, which was delivered a week later in the Assembly chamber.

(AP) Republican Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker signed his first budget Sunday, a two-year $66 billion deal that will balance the state’s $3 billion shortfall without raising taxes. Balancing the budget without raising taxes fulfills a campaign pledge, and Gov. Walker was able to accomplish this prior to the new fiscal year starting July 1. The budget passed without the support of a single Democrat in the Legislature.

Rack Him.

Rack him? No, we're going to recall him.

Goober McTuber wrote:Rack him? No, we're going to recall him.

of course you are. What limp wristed, pole-smoking, mouth breathing liberal would want a governor who balances the budget while not raising taxes?

Sirfindafold wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:Rack him? No, we're going to recall him.

of course you are. What limp wristed, pole-smoking, mouth breathing liberal would want a governor who balances the budget while not raising taxes?

Prove it.

BSmack wrote:

Sirfindafold wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:Rack him? No, we're going to recall him.

of course you are. What limp wristed, pole-smoking, mouth breathing liberal would want a governor who balances the budget while not raising taxes?

Prove it.

Okay. So maybe Goober isn't a mouth breather.

Bucmonkey wrote:Wisconsin Public Radio and the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism, quoting anonymous sources,

How this incident really went down...

Bradley: "Get out of my offfice, you hostile, right-wing son of a bitch!"

Prosser: "This is not your office, this is the conference room"

Bradley: "I'll FUCKING KILL YOU!"

Prosser: " Get the fuck away from me you lunatic"

Bradley: " You choked me, you bastard!"

The Other Judges in the Room: "Uhm... No, he didn't"

You can stop masturbating now, Goober

Goober McTuber wrote:Rack him? No, we're going to recall him.

Good luck with that.

mvscal wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:Rack him? No, we're going to recall him.

Good luck with that.

Thanks.

Union curbs rescue a Wisconsin school district

By: Byron York | Chief Political Correspondent Follow Him @ByronYork | 06/30/11 8:05 PM

"This is a disaster," said Mark Miller, the Wisconsin Senate Democratic leader, in February after Republican Gov. Scott Walker proposed a budget bill that would curtail the collective bargaining powers of some public employees. Miller predicted catastrophe if the bill were to become law -- a charge repeated thousands of times by his fellow Democrats, union officials, and protesters in the streets.

Now the bill is law, and we have some very early evidence of how it is working. And for one beleaguered Wisconsin school district, it's a godsend, not a disaster.

The Kaukauna School District, in the Fox River Valley of Wisconsin near Appleton, has about 4,200 students and about 400 employees. It has struggled in recent times and this year faced a deficit of $400,000. But after the law went into effect, at 12:01 a.m. Wednesday, school officials put in place new policies they estimate will turn that $400,000 deficit into a $1.5 million surplus. And it's all because of the very provisions that union leaders predicted would be disastrous.

Rack.

Sirfindafold wrote:

Union curbs rescue a Wisconsin school district

By: Byron York | Chief Political Correspondent Follow Him @ByronYork | 06/30/11 8:05 PM

"This is a disaster," said Mark Miller, the Wisconsin Senate Democratic leader, in February after Republican Gov. Scott Walker proposed a budget bill that would curtail the collective bargaining powers of some public employees. Miller predicted catastrophe if the bill were to become law -- a charge repeated thousands of times by his fellow Democrats, union officials, and protesters in the streets.

Now the bill is law, and we have some very early evidence of how it is working. And for one beleaguered Wisconsin school district, it's a godsend, not a disaster.

The Kaukauna School District, in the Fox River Valley of Wisconsin near Appleton, has about 4,200 students and about 400 employees. It has struggled in recent times and this year faced a deficit of $400,000. But after the law went into effect, at 12:01 a.m. Wednesday, school officials put in place new policies they estimate will turn that $400,000 deficit into a $1.5 million surplus. And it's all because of the very provisions that union leaders predicted would be disastrous.

Rack.

Post the rest of the article you disingenuous tard.

In the past, Kaukauna’s agreement with the teachers union required the school district to purchase health insurance coverage from something called WEA Trust — a company created by the Wisconsin teachers union. “It was in the collective bargaining agreement that we could only negotiate with them,” says Arnoldussen. “Well, you know what happens when you can only negotiate with one vendor.” This year, WEA Trust told Kaukauna that it would face a significant increase in premiums.

Now, the collective bargaining agreement is gone, and the school district is free to shop around for coverage. And all of a sudden, WEA Trust has changed its position. “With these changes, the schools could go out for bids, and lo and behold, WEA Trust said, ‘We can match the lowest bid,’” says Republican state Rep. Jim Steineke, who represents the area and supports the Walker changes. At least for the moment, Kaukauna is staying with WEA Trust, but saving substantial amounts of money.

Then there are work rules. “In the collective bargaining agreement, high school teachers only had to teach five periods a day, out of seven,” says Arnoldussen. “Now, they’re going to teach six.” In addition, the collective bargaining agreement specified that teachers had to be in the school 37 1/2 hours a week. Now, it will be 40 hours.

The changes mean Kaukauna can reduce the size of its classes — from 31 students to 26 students in high school and from 26 students to 23 students in elementary school. In addition, there will be more teacher time for one-on-one sessions with troubled students. Those changes would not have been possible without the much-maligned changes in collective bargaining.

I never understood why school districts agreed to that condition in a contract. Having to provide health insurance from a specific provider. Absolutely insane. Doesn’t make Wanker’s bill any more palatable.

The rest of the article was pretty good too.

Amazing how capitalism works.

In the past, Kaukauna's agreement with the teachers union required the school district to purchase health insurance coverage from something called WEA Trust -- a company created by the Wisconsin teachers union. "It was in the collective bargaining agreement that we could only negotiate with them," says Arnoldussen. "Well, you know what happens when you can only negotiate with one vendor." This year, WEA Trust told Kaukauna that it would face a significant increase in premiums.

Now, the collective bargaining agreement is gone, and the school district is free to shop around for coverage. And all of a sudden, WEA Trust has changed its position. "With these changes, the schools could go out for bids, and lo and behold, WEA Trust said, 'We can match the lowest bid,'" says Republican state Rep. Jim Steineke, who represents the area and supports the Walker changes. At least for the moment, Kaukauna is staying with WEA Trust, but saving substantial amounts of money.

Then there are work rules. “In the collective bargaining agreement, high school teachers only had to teach five periods a day, out of seven,” says Arnoldussen. “Now, they’re going to teach six.” In addition, the collective bargaining agreement specified that teachers had to be in the school 37 1/2 hours a week. Now, it will be 40 hours.

The changes mean Kaukauna can reduce the size of its classes — from 31 students to 26 students in high school and from 26 students to 23 students in elementary school. In addition, there will be more teacher time for one-on-one sessions with troubled students. Those changes would not have been possible without the much-maligned changes in collective bargaining.

That slavedriving bastard governor.

They found one school district out of about 430 that came out ahead, mostly due to the incompetence of whoever negotiated the previous contract for the district. Most districts are looking at significantly increased class sizes and cutting programs. Wississippi here we come.

“Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker appears to have the makings of a national GOP rock star fighting the growth of union influence and trimming the fat from state government in order to get Wisconsin’s fiscal house back in order. His agenda has, at times, made him the pariah of the left and a hero to movement Conservatives. His appeal, however, has limits, as evidenced by a baffling lack of presidential buzz. With a current slate of GOP candidates that some might consider uninspiring, the Walker vacuum seems all the more difficult to understand.”



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Sirfindafold wrote:

“Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker appears to have the makings of a national GOP rock star fighting the growth of union influence and trimming the fat from state government in order to get Wisconsin’s fiscal house back in order. His agenda has, at times, made him the pariah of the left and a hero to movement Conservatives. His appeal, however, has limits, as evidenced by a baffling lack of presidential buzz. With a current slate of GOP candidates that some might consider uninspiring, the Walker vacuum seems all the more difficult to understand.”



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Melt? In your fucking dreams. Walker makes Palin look like a viable candidate.

Like clockwork.

That's your idea of a melt? Run along, little shit troll.