T1B

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:53 am**

That "bag of piss" engineered the game winning TD drive against a very good team.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:04 am**

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:That "bag of piss" engineered the game winning TD drive against a very good team.

What game were you watching? It was all the running game on that drive. The Burner got that 66 yard run and then that Jaqjizz Rogers guy inched them closed with more runs and the Burner punched it in. Ryan didn't do shit.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:09 am**

I was watching the game where Matt Ryan won as the starting quarterback. But I know actual wins and losses have no relevancy to you when discussing football.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:12 am**

it was all the Burner on that final drive. You want to see a real quarterback, look at Tony Romo today playing with cracked ribs and launching balls up the field in a dramatic comeback win including leading them down the field with that bomb in overtime to win it. You'll never see Ryan do that.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:38 am**

Papa Willie wrote:my biggest criticism of the Offense tonight?

Dude...they managed five touchdowns against a pretty fucking good defense.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:50 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:my biggest criticism of the Offense tonight?
Dude...they managed five touchdowns against a pretty fucking good defense.

Red zone offense. Falcons had it, Eagles didn't. Also the Eagles once again showed their inability to stop the run or cover the Tight End. Jackson had a huge run of 60+ yards last week and Turner did the same this week. Gonzo had 2 Td's inside the 20 and the Eagles have once again shown no interest in putting talent in that position. I wish someone would rip the hair off Casey Matthews head. He's giving that family a bad name.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:00 pm**

jiminphilly wrote:Red zone offense. Falcons had it, Eagles didn't. Also the Eagles once again showed their inability to stop the run or cover the Tight End. Jackson had a huge run of 60+ yards last week and Turner did the same this week. Gonzo had 2 Td's inside the 20 and the Eagles have once again shown no interest in putting talent in that position. I wish someone would rip the hair off Casey Matthews head. He's giving that family a bad name.

First place, bitch.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:11 pm**

Screw_Michigan wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:Red zone offense. Falcons had it, Eagles didn't. Also the Eagles once again showed their inability to stop the run or cover the Tight End. Jackson had a huge run of 60+ yards last week and Turner did the same this week. Gonzo had 2 Td's inside the 20 and the Eagles have once again shown no interest in putting talent in that position. I wish someone would rip the hair off Casey Matthews head. He's giving that family a bad name.
First place, bitch.

Week 2 hoss.
Let me know where the skins are in week 10.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:00 pm**

Papa Willie wrote:If you've never noticed it, then your IQ is a good 50 points lower than I gave you credit. Quit being a fucking dumbass.

No, I haven't noticed it, just like nobody else has noticed it, because it doesn't exist. ESPN does not give two shits about Big East football simply because its universities are located in the same time zone as its headquarters. The only thing ESPN cares about is ratings, and few Big East programs, if any, move the needle. Flip on "Game Day," flip on "College Football Live," flip on Cowturd's show. I can assure you Big East football is back page news, if that even.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:05 pm**

Yer a Fuckin Jerkoff wrote:it was all the Burner on that final drive. You want to see a real quarterback, look at Tony Romo today playing with cracked ribs and launching balls up the field in a dramatic comeback win including leading them down the field with that bomb in overtime to win it. You'll never see Ryan do that.

Yeah, Ryan decided to win it in regulation instead. Slacker.

Posted: **Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:48 am**

Papa Willie wrote: Okay - let's go this way. Do you deny that they have their cocks inside the assholes of the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Jets, Phillies, Eagles & Giants?

You really are this fucking stupid. Just stop already, you're making an even bigger ass of yourself than you usually do.

Posted: **Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:54 am**

Papa Willie wrote:Jesus, man. What aren't you getting?

I have no idea? seeing as you haven't actually made a point.

Okay - let's go this way. Do you deny that they have their cocks inside the assholes of the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Jets, Phillies, Eagles & Giants?

Uhh, those are big money franchises with big time fan bases. They drive ratings and make people lots of money. Not quite on par with UCONN football, but nice try.

Posted: **Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:14 am**

jiminphilly wrote:I wish someone would rip the hair off Casey Matthews head. He's giving that family a bad name.

I'll give you one chance to take that back...

otherwise, you just made the list, buddy.

QQMF

Posted: **Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:37 pm**

Papa Willie wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Uhh, those are big money franchises with big time fan bases. They drive ratings and make people lots of money. Not quite on par with UCONN football, but nice try.
Holy shit. Now you're denying yourself. Fabulous work. I think you're a bit confused in this whole thing. Perhaps it's because you're a Detroiter.

What is so hard to understand? ESPN pimps the Yankees because they drive ratings. They ignore UCONN football because they do nothing for ratings. If you think what's driving espn's ship is ANYTHING other than money, you're an idiot.

Posted: **Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:14 pm**

Papa Willie wrote:

Posted: **Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:24 pm**

Papa Willie wrote:They will jack ANY team that is in that area. For you not to see, realize, or understand this means that you have grown up as a stool softener.

In what way, which teams, and to what degree? Be specific.

Why do you think so many Big East football programs schedule games on Thursday nights? Because they can't get exposure on Saturdays. Come Saturday, the Big East is buried by the Big Ten, SEC, etc. Outside of the Backyard Brawl, ESPN does not give two shits about BE football.

You are the first (and probably last) person I have ever read or heard make this claim.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:28 am**

They were also 11-2. Every time we think you can't be any dumber, you go ahead and totally redeem yourself.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:18 am**

Buttsy wrote:Dude - Vick is overrated & always has been - pretty much (I guess) because he's a black QB.

This take has always been interesting to me.

In Vick's six seasons as an NFL starter, these are the rankings of the defenses for the teams he's played on.

19th
32nd
14th
22nd
22nd
12th

Averages out to 20th in the league.

He's never had very much support on the other side of the ball - and yet do you know what he's done?

He's WON games.

47-32 as a starter.

Just looking at that, I'm pretty sure he's been doing a helluva lot RIGHT for his teams.

Unconventional as hell, no doubt.
And yeah, perhaps the media had inflated him some and had an infatuation with him - and some of it has probably been because of his race.

But he HAS been one of the most unique QBs ever, and he's really one of the handful of players who I personally have found to be very interesting to watch.

Just win, baby.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:51 am**

Excellent post pops, no need to go further.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:06 pm**

poptart wrote:In Vick's six seasons as an NFL starter, these are the rankings of the defenses for the teams he's played on.

19th
32nd
14th
22nd
22nd
12th

Averages out to 20th in the league.

Is this yards... pts allowed... what?

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:21 pm**

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
poptart wrote:In Vick's six seasons as an NFL starter, these are the rankings of the defenses for the teams he's played on.

19th
32nd
14th
22nd
22nd
12th

Averages out to 20th in the league.
Is this yards... pts allowed... what?

Defenses are always ranked by total yards given up. Not a 100% indication of a defense, but does give an idea of opposing teams chances at scoring.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:27 pm**

The Matt Ryan experiment is just about over with. While he's a media-loved QB (and the only reason for that is because he went to BC), he seriously doesn't have enough arm-strength to throw the ball more than about 35-40 yards. You know how many times he threw the deep ball today? None. You know why? Because he fucking can't. I hate to say it, but he's just not a "next level quarterback".

And the last 3 years he was in ATL, the D stayed the same the first 2 and actually improved to 12th the last year he was here - while the records kept getting worse. Again - Vick was 30th in red zone offense his last year here. Doesn't have a thing to do with the Falcons' Defense. It had everything to do with the fact that he couldn't handle a short field. Believe me - I watched just about every single snap he took as a Falcon.

So basically your take is Vick can't score in the red zone, and Ryan is a pedestrian role player at QB who should be traded or dumped.

Not sure why you changed your nick from shutyomouth, seems much more fitting.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:49 pm**

Joe in PB wrote:
The Matt Ryan experiment is just about over with. While he's a media-loved QB (and the only reason for that is because he went to BC), he seriously doesn't have enough arm-strength to throw the ball more than about 35-40 yards. You know how many times he threw the deep ball today? None. You know why? Because he fucking can't. I hate to say it, but he's just not a "next level quarterback".

And the last 3 years he was in ATL, the D stayed the same the first 2 and actually improved to 12th the last year he was here - while the records kept getting worse. Again - Vick was 30th in red zone offense his last year here. Doesn't have a thing to do with the Falcons' Defense. It had everything to do with the fact that he couldn't handle a short field. Believe me - I watched just about every single snap he took as a Falcon.
So basically your take is Vick can't score in the red zone, and Ryan is a pedestrian role player at QB who should be traded or dumped.

Not sure why you changed your nick from shutyomouth, seems much more fitting.

Leave 'Spray alone. That man has watched Atlanta Falcons football his whole life. He knows what good QB play looks like.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:42 pm**

That man has watched Atlanta Falcons football his whole life. He knows what good QB play looks like.

I'll play Alex, Falcons football for $50.

What is the definition of a Falcon QB oxymoron?

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:36 pm**

ucant wrote:Is this yards... pts allowed... what?

That was yds allowed, which is, as Joe noted, how defensive rankings are typically given.

Based on pts allowed, here is how Vick's teams have done on defense:

8th
30th
14th
18th
15th
21st

Comes out to an average of 18th in the league.

Either way you want to rank it, Vick has not played on teams with strong defenses, and yet he has still managed to put up a 47-32 record as a starter.

I haven't seen as many of his games as Buttsy has, and I haven't seen any red-zone stats on him - too lazy to look and really don't care enough.

I just find the "overrated" tag interesting ---> in light of him being a solid WINNER, despite not getting much support from a defense.

Posted: **Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:50 pm**

poptart wrote:
ucant wrote:Is this yards... pts allowed... what?
That was yds allowed, which is, as Joe noted, how defensive rankings are typically given.

Yeah... I get that. However, I think it's a shit stat. Many defenses scheme to make you earn the yards between the 20s then tighten up in the red zone.

Points allowed is a more accurate indicator of how good a defense is. So thanks for digging that up.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:45 am**

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
poptart wrote:
ucant wrote:Is this yards... pts allowed... what?
That was yds allowed, which is, as Joe noted, how defensive rankings are typically given.

Yeah... I get that. However, I think it's a shit stat. Many defenses scheme to make you earn the yards between the 20s then tighten up in the red zone.

Points allowed is a more accurate indicator of how good a defense is. So thanks for digging that up.

Except that the defense can control the yards they give up and the offensive scores they give up, but they can’t control the pick-6s their QB throws, the fumbles that their RB coughs up or the kick returns their special teams give up. Yards allowed are the best gauge.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:55 am**

I'm not sure, Goob.

I think both measures have flaws.

If you go by yds allowed, what about the "garbage time" yds a defense often gives up while playing soft to protect a lead in the 4th quarter?

Look at games where one QB throws for 350 yds.
They often happen in a LOSS.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:36 pm**

Goober McTuber wrote:Except that the defense can control the yards they give up and the offensive scores they give up, but they can’t control the pick-6s their QB throws, the fumbles that their RB coughs up or the kick returns their special teams give up. Yards allowed are the best gauge.

You do realize there is a difference between defensive points allowed and PPG against, yes?

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/op ... s-per-game

Sorta puts a monkey wrench into your whole turnovers/special teams points argument, huh? Anything else... or are we done here?

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:18 pm**

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:Except that the defense can control the yards they give up and the offensive scores they give up, but they can’t control the pick-6s their QB throws, the fumbles that their RB coughs up or the kick returns their special teams give up. Yards allowed are the best gauge.
You do realize there is a difference between defensive points allowed and PPG against, yes?

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/op ... s-per-game

Sorta puts a monkey wrench into your whole turnovers/special teams points argument, huh? Anything else... or are we done here?

Is that the one that's (Estimated)? The site you’ve linked is a stat-geek site. If I go to http://www.NFL.com, the only defensive scoring stat I see includes every point your opponent scored.

BTW, until I get the last word, we're NOT done. :wink:

Oh yeah, and at http://www.NFL.com, when they list total defense, it's yards given up.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:33 pm**

You can have the last word... my only comment here is to say that I love that site (the one I linked up, not nfl.com.)

If you're into running numbers, it's pretty awesome. Like, NE averaging 18.7 PPGA in the second half is very telling. And a recurring theme. Belichick is great at putting together a game plan.

However.

At halftime, the other team makes adjustments and he/his staff cannot seem to react. Lotta 2nd half melting.

Posted: **Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:45 am**

Falcons looked like they were going to win tonight and then White drops passes and that POS Dunta Robinson misses an easy tackle in the open field lie the overrated bitch he is. This is a soft, pussy team going nowhere.

Posted: **Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:23 pm**

Papa Willie wrote:
Yer a Fuckin Jerkoff wrote:Falcons looked like they were going to win tonight and then White drops passes and that POS Dunta Robinson misses an easy tackle in the open field lie the overrated bitch he is. This is a soft, pussy team going nowhere.

Absolutely. Make a few new plays up - expend them all in the first half, then watch Ryan throw 2 yard out passes & go 3 & out the rest of the night. In short - they quit (again) in the second half.

Falcons are headed straight down the shitter. Oh - they might go 7-9 this year at very best, but I've seen this scenario too many times in the past.

That was a very enjoyable football game. No doubt about it.

T1B

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