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So 2 games it is...

I'm expecting them to lose in New Orleans on Sunday night regardless of if Nstompukong played or not. They host the Vikings the following week, which I expect them to win that. He's an idiot but at least it doesn't change what I think they'll do these next two games. I'm looking at them finishing 3-2 in the final 5...don't know if that gets them in the playoffs or not at 10-6. They're not going to go into New Orleans and Green Bay...it's on them to win those other three including one without Suh.

Mace wrote:The only time Suh was "bent over" was when he was banging the Packer player's head on the turf. Is he a good player? Yes. Is he a total douchebag that needs to be suspended? Yep. Only a fucking moron would make excuses for the asshole or think his actions are acceptable in the game of football.

Wake up. It's a VIOLENT sport. He got tossed from the game. That was enough punishment. Meanwhile, players all over the league don't even know what a legal hit is anymore. It's pathetic and it's bullshit. Before we know it the players will have electronic sensors mounted on their gear to go off when an opposing player comes near them and QBs will have a 5yd. halo rule at all times. In the meantime, some of you tree-huggers keep banging your drums for a "fair and legal" NFL.

Paul, yes it's a violent sport. But the violence is supposed to stop once the whistle blows and the play is over.

What part of that don't you get?

He doesn't get any of it. He never did. He just regurgitates the thoughts of others. He can't really help himself, though.

He's a FAT, FUCKING RETARD.

Paul is a fucking idiot, but you do have to admit that if Suh was playing in the 70s, he would be praised today for his violent hits on QBs. Of course had Suh tried to pull that kind of after the whistle bullshit with 70s players, he might very well have had his sticks snapped on the next play.

Paul, you're blending two separate issues together and making a perfect @ss out of yourself.

Yes, the league has created a very big problem for itself by flagging (and fining) guys for hits that are legit.
I hate it - as you do - as most all of us do.

But a fat maniac blasting guys after the whistle has blown does nothing to cure the issue that bothers you.

Getting tossed from the game is hardly punishment enough, because Suh has multiple violations and even had to go for a visit with the commish.
THAT is double secret probation, my friend.

The only thing left for a boy named Suh ---> who obviously DOESN'T GET IT, is to be put down for a couple o' few games.

You're really out to lunch on this one.

BSmack wrote:but you do have to admit that if Suh was playing in the 70s, he would be praised today for his violent hits on QBs.

That isn't why he's being criticized.

Of course had Suh tried to pull that kind of after the whistle bullshit with 70s players, he might very well have had his sticks snapped on the next play.

It would be pretty entertaining to see him squared up against Conrad Dobler and may the dirtiest bitch win.

paul, how is it that you end up on the wrong end an argument EVERY TIME....even a broken clock is right twice a day...

the players of today aren't the players of yesteryear today's players are bigger, stronger, faster, and simply better athletes....with a few exceptions, players from earlier eras would have a tough time competing with today's players.....suh isn't just aggressive, he tries to hurt people....it's a violent enough sport without some douchebag like suh trying to inflict physical damage to other players...

there are lots of guys that are every bit as aggressive of players as Suh, without being nasty....one that comes to mind immediately is Ray Lewis, aggressive as hell and one of the more violent hitters out there and one that most offensive players try to stay away from, but not considered by most to be a "dirty" player...he's just a train wreck waiting to happen...I'd say that most of the Ravens defensive players are some of the most aggressive in the league, but none of them are typically categorized as "dirty"

mvscal wrote:

BSmack wrote:but you do have to admit that if Suh was playing in the 70s, he would be praised today for his violent hits on QBs.

That isn't why he's being criticized.

Bullshit. There's no justification for his act last week. But there are plenty of people using his past "history" as ammo against Suh when if it was Dobler, Joe Greene or LT they would be lionizing him.

BSmack wrote:But there are plenty of people using his past "history" as ammo against Suh when if it was Dobler, Joe Greene or LT they would be lionizing him.

different time, different era....they didn't know then what we know now...the effects of being hit over and over again can and do have long term lasting effects....it's a dangerous enough sport without asshats like Suh trying to cripple people....



a perfect example of why suh is a douchebag....he wasn't just trying to tackle dalton, he was trying to phyisically hurt him....just my opinion, but the NFL would be better off weeding out these kinds of neanderthals....and before you say anying the answer is yes, I think Von Miller definitely pushes the limits of douchebaggery....

Felix wrote:

BSmack wrote:But there are plenty of people using his past "history" as ammo against Suh when if it was Dobler, Joe Greene or LT they would be lionizing him.

different time, different era....they didn't know then what we know now...the effects of being hit over and over again can and do have long term lasting effects....it's a dangerous enough sport without asshats like Suh trying to cripple people....

Bullshit the NFL didn't know. A few years of HS football was all it took for me to realize that getting banged in the head was no joke. The NFL had been around for 50 years when guys like Dobler and Greene were tearing shit up. Don't tell there weren't old time players who were broke down and suffering from concussion related issues in the 70s. That's thinking with your head up your ass.

And even though they "allegedly" know now, they still haven't improved helmet technology or banned ALL helmet to helmet hits. Instead the NFL is trying to have it both ways. They want to limit concussions, but still have a game that is played fast and hard with no substantial equipment improvements. It is like Paul wanting to be thin while still eating ding dongs and drinking milkshakes. Not gonna happen.

BSmack wrote:The NFL had been around for 50 years when guys like Dobler and Greene were tearing shit up. Don't tell there weren't old time players who were broke down and suffering from concussion related issues in the 70s. That's thinking with your head up your ass.

so, we'll put you in the "yes, trying to end a guys career by inflicting as much damage as possible and chalk it up to just playing hard is fine by me" category....look I get the fact that the team you support has one of the worst offenders, but given the fact that athletes are bigger, faster, stronger, the potential for serious injury goes up proportionately....oh and btw, Dobler was a grade A asshole....I never saw Joe Greene as being a dirty player, but Dobler's reputation and revile was hard earned through years of colossal douchebaggery.....

Dobler paid a high price for his NFL career; today he is 90% disabled having suffered through numerous operations to repair his battered body. Dobler has had nine knee replacements.

dobler's injuries aren't related to helmet technology, they're related to his willingness to sacrifice his body for what he perceived as gain...but that was HIS choice.....trying to hurt people is something else alltogether....

And even though they "allegedly" know now, they still haven't improved helmet technology or banned ALL helmet to helmet hits. Instead the NFL is trying to have it both ways. They want to limit concussions, but still have a game that is played fast and hard with no substantial equipment improvements. It is like Paul wanting to be thin while still eating ding dongs and drinking milkshakes. Not gonna happen.

so why have any rules at all? lets just let people take knees out, hit defenseless receivers, allow a defensive lineman 10 steps to hit a quarterback after the QB has thrown the ball....fuck let's just make it a donnybrook....

Felix wrote:

This play was a penalty in 1975 and it's a penalty today.

Suh wrestled him down and ripped his head off well after the ball was gone out of his hand.

As far as I'm concerned, Suh (or anyone) can try to hurt people - so long as it's done within the rules of the sport.

He's outside the rules here, and he was outside the rules in the Packer game.

That's why he's sitting down for a couple of games.

Dobler has had nine knee replacements.

How many fucking knees did he have?

poptart wrote:He's outside the rules here, and he was outside the rules in the Packer game.

That's why he's sitting down for a couple of games.

He's sitting down because he has absolutely no self-control on the field. Since he started at the beginning of last year, he is the league leader in personal foul penalties and there isn't even a close second but that guy happens to be a teammate, Cliff Avril.

Schwartz ought to be the one to take an unpaid time out the next time one of his goons goes off.

http://www.freep.com/article/20111129/S ... er-players

My god, that was so not funny. The Japanese need to stick to what they're good at: anime violence and freak porn.

It's not as good as the Tiger Woods one but it was alright.

BSmack wrote:

mvscal wrote:

BSmack wrote:but you do have to admit that if Suh was playing in the 70s, he would be praised today for his violent hits on QBs.

That isn't why he's being criticized.

Bullshit. There's no justification for his act last week. But there are plenty of people using his past "history" as ammo against Suh when if it was Dobler, Joe Greene or LT they would be lionizing him.

Cheap shot artists have never been lionized nor has the shit that Susan has been doing ever been legal.

And he's enjoying his unpaid vacation with a trip back home to Portland..

where he stuffed his car into a light pole and took out a drinking fountain (which I assume was one of the historic Benson Bubblers, which philanthropist Simon Benson had installed throughout Old Town in the old days, under the assumption all the early loggers/mariners spent all their time in the bars because there wasn't good access to anything to drink outside of the bar. Nice theory, and it worked about as well 100 years ago as it does today... but we got some really trick drinking fountains all over the place out of the deal).

Policesay he wasn't even liquored up... not sure how you get going fast enough downtown to take out a light pole -- usually pretty heavy traffic during the witching hour downtown on a friday night.

BTW - I feel horrible about this... for the car.

70 Chevelle SS big-block.

Dinsdale wrote:BTW - I feel horrible about this... for the car.

70 Chevelle SS big-block.

jeezus, how fast was he going....those old chevys were built like brickshithouses, so it took some doing to put it in that condition....

yeah, I really believe he wasn't under the influence of something.

whiskey bottles and brand new cars, oak tree your in way

Did I mention I'm quite familiar with that spot, and one would reeeeeaaaalllllllyyyyy have to be getting it on to wrap it up that hard there? And 1:15AM on a saturday, there's always very heavy traffic, since that's pretty much the "club district."