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Posted: **Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:35 pm**

Truman wrote:
Lowering your dome is instinctual. Facing up on an opponent is a learned skill.

I believe his entire point is that the kids aren't going to learn that skill when they get a bunch of 'atta boys' for blowing someone up using poor or even dangerous technique.

Posted: **Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:59 pm**

mvscal wrote:I believe his entire point is that the kids aren't going to learn that skill when they get a bunch of 'atta boys' for blowing someone up using poor or even dangerous technique.

Yeah, thank you, Marcus. :roll:

His problem was trying to prove his point and, being the good Christian that he is, making it with a personal attack on Scott which, during that process, also showed that he didn't know the difference between the Oklahoma drill and a fire drill.

Posted: **Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:59 am**

KC Scott wrote:Rack Mace

mvscal wrote: I believe his entire point is that the kids aren't going to learn that skill when they get a bunch of 'atta boys' for blowing someone up using poor or even dangerous technique.
Do you know single thing you can't teach kids in football?

~~Agression.~~ English.

Posted: **Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:32 am**

mvscal wrote:
Truman wrote:
Lowering your dome is instinctual. Facing up on an opponent is a learned skill.

I believe his entire point is that the kids aren't going to learn that skill when they get a bunch of 'atta boys' for blowing someone up using poor or even dangerous technique.

Well, then, he's a fucking retard. Kids DO eventually develop the skill, or quit the game outright after getting their dicks knocked in the dirt enough times.

You encourage the agressiveness.
You coach up the technique.
Eventually, the kids figure it out.

Posted: **Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:41 am**

wow, whole buncha' Knute Rockne's up in this bitch.

aggressive, you fucking illiterates.

Not once, but twice?

Posted: **Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:28 am**

KC Scott wrote:OK Tard - I'll answer your question - then you answer mine.

It was a good shot beacuse the defensive player didn't flinch / slow down and drove through the ball carrier. It was bad technique his helmet was down.

Ride that fence.

Mr. Coach, the answer IS... BAD SHOT.

A PEE WEE, who you are responsible to coach up properly, should not be encouraged (no matter how large of a thrill it sends down your leg) when he uses poor and dangerous technique.

Save that Billy Bob "GOOD SHOT!!" handjobbery for the professional fields.

Not only that, but these kids came, one-on-one, head-on toward each other from 7-8 yds away.
You chide me - saying I don't know what I'm talking about, but go ahead and link me up to a site that recommends JUST WHAT WE SEE IN THIS CLIP for kids that age.

Better yet, is this something we would see you do?

How 'bout you, Mace?

Step right up and claim it.

Scott wrote:Have you ever played and organized football?

As you've seen in this thread - everyone who has played has done the exact same drill you see in the vid

Nobody else who played has chimed in with repeatedly stupid takes and posts like you have.

I didn't play organized tackle football and I did not coach it.

Sad state of affairs for you when someone like little ol' ME has his wits about him on this topic much more so that a seasoned vet of the youth football wars like you.

Scott wrote:So far the congregation seems to think you don't know what your babbling about

False.

Van called you out right away.
Felix, mvscal, and myself laffed at the dumb video you posted which was theoretically (drunkenly?) put up to bloster the view that... well, I don't know what it was intended to bloster.

lol

And mvscal also gets it here...

mvscal wrote:I believe his entire point is that the kids aren't going to learn that skill when they get a bunch of 'atta boys' for blowing someone up using poor or even dangerous technique.

That's it.

Truman wrote:Take another look at your “Hard Hit” vid. “26” put just as much cage on that kid he blew up as he did crown. And if the ball carrier had been a foot taller, it would have been ALL cage – and a classic hit. But no style points – “26” didn’t rip and wrap, as he will no doubt learn to do when he gets older.

Scott posted that video.

My criticism with that video is not the hit the kid stamped on the other kid.
That's fine.
Big contact sport.
Poor technique - it'll happen.

My laff at that video is the COACH'S REACTIONS to the hit - coupled with the fact that Scrot posted it for some reason.

Posted: **Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:14 am**

KC Scott wrote:Do you know single thing you can't teach kids in football?
Agression

Putting that in the context of this video I'd have been the coach that yelled "bam" and "great hit" - beacuse of that natural agression.

But without that first instinct to deliver the blow, it's hard to coach the rest

I'm just a dumb tennis player, but let's see...

If a kid is naturally aggressive, you should jack him up and praise him when he is... aggressive.
And because aggression is something you can't teach, you pump him up, make an example, and show that to the other non-aggressive kids, because... they can't learn that kind of aggression anyway.

errr...

Maybe you should have said you'd praise his aggression because you think the other kids CAN pick up on that, and learn it.

Or just admit that you like playing hard-@ss youth football coach.

Helpin' ya out where I can, Scotty.

:wink:

Posted: **Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:11 pm**

Aside from you spinning Scott's posts and just wanting to have a pissin' match with him, you have no leg to stand on here. Scott is not promoting helmet to helmet hits and has said that he doesn't coach kids to do it. So what's your fucking point? A "good shot" equals a hard hit but doesn't necessarily equal a good tackle. Yeah, I think everyone agrees with that, so, like I asked, what the fuck is your point? If you're trying to prove that you're something other than a "dumb tennis player", you're failing.

You are the one who posted the first video in this thread and your only reaction was Wowz!, with no other comments to explain your reaction to the video. No, instead you chose to wait for other responses before deciding how you would respond and jumped on Scott's "good shot" comment as an excuse to launch your typical bullshit attacks. Yeah, you called it......you are just a dumb tennis player.

One also has to wonder just how many thousands of South Koreans have rejected Christianity because of the dumbfuckery of the messenger when they think they've reached the mountain top only to realize it's a mole hill.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:39 am**

I said it was a coaching *FAIL*, Mace.

It takes all of 30 seconds of watching the clip to know that.

Bad drill.

You know it is.

Scott somehow doesn't agree, and he went to great lengths to try to justify the drill.

Then he raised the bar on - just wow - even higher by saying that if was the coach in that clip, he would be on the side yelling, "bam, great hit."

I'll tell you what.
If that was my boy in that drill - the one who delivered the blow with dangerous form, and he came up (like that boy does) wobbly and holding his neck - and Coach Scott over on the side yelled, "bam, great hit," I'd be having a word with him after practice.

As for bullshit attacks, why don't you go back and look at the dialogue.
I was just taking issue with Scott's takes, as was Van - with some basic board banter.
It was SCOTT who first decided to enter the Bible, and my faith, into the discussion for some reason.

And you and he seem to be fond of that sort of... bullshit attack, seeing as you've gone to it repeatedly.

Yeah, as if it makes any sense at all to bring a person's faith, or the Bible, into a football drill discussion.

lol

Crazy stuff.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:26 pm**

Poor little Poptart the drama queen. I'm supposed to feel bad for bringing up religion and your hypocricy? Sorry, I don't.

Poptart wrote:Then he raised the bar on - just wow - even higher by saying that if was the coach in that clip, he would be on the side yelling, "bam, great hit."

Gee, Poptart, you're gonna have to show me where Scott uttered those words because I can't seem to find them anywhere in this thread. Or did you just make that part up in a bullshit attempt to support your stance? Just for future reference, Poptart, it's sometimes easy to misinterpret things when you know very little about the subject matter, and it's usually best to stay the fuck out of the conversation. You are a prime example of this.....in a thread that you started, and started it with a Wowz! comment to your video, not "coaching FAIL." No, that didn't get posted by you until you mistakenly stuck your finger up to the wind to see which way it was blowing instead of just sticking it up your ass.

And, btw, it's not a "bad drill" but was bad tackling. In the very first clip that you posted, it appeared that the coach was going to make a coaching point after the collision, probably about keeping your head up and not leading with your helmet, but that's pure speculation because the clip ended too soon to know what the coach was going to say or do.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:45 pm**

KC Scott wrote:
poptart wrote: I didn't play organized tackle football and I did not coach it
OK.

So would you now give your opinion on the surgeons grafting technique in this coronary bypass?

Also, your thoughts on data points used in this home designed altimeter?

TIA

This thread is doing fine without Dinsdale. Please don't encourage him.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:51 pm**

Mace wrote:
Poptart wrote:Then he raised the bar on - just wow - even higher by saying that if was the coach in that clip, he would be on the side yelling, "bam, great hit."
Gee, Poptart, you're gonna have to show me where Scott uttered those words because I can't seem to find them anywhere in this thread. Or did you just make that part up in a bullshit attempt to support your stance?

KC Scott wrote:Putting that in the context of this video I'd have been the coach that yelled "bam" and "great hit" - beacuse of that natural agression.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:55 pm**

Putting that in the context of this video I'd have been the coach that yelled "bam" and "great hit" - beacuse of that natural agression. Then, like you see the coach at the end of the video, I'd have grabbed his facemask and checked if he was woozy. The coaches clinics I went to gave us a verbal and eye check to see if they were OK. If they responded and their eyes could focus when I talked, then it's time to coach keeping your head up, wrapping up and driving them through the turf.

Okay, thanks, Van. I highlighted the important part of Scott's post that you conveniently failed to post. You know, the actual coaching part. You can teach kids to keep their head up when tackling, and to use their pads, but you have no control over it when they hit the field for practice or games. Telling the kid it was a "good hit", which it was, needs to be followed up with some coaching of proper fundamentals....which is exactly what Scott said and meant to say. I can see the kid in the video who got his ass kicked, and was on the ground crying, crawling off the field while shedding his helmet and shoulder pads, and picking up a tennis raquet to join the other cunts.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:04 pm**

Mace, I didn't conveniently forget to post anything. I simply provided the exact quote you requested. You know, the one you said you couldn't find anywhere in the thread. You know, the one you asked pop if he'd made up.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:14 pm**

Van wrote:Mace, I didn't conveniently forget to post anything. I simply provided the exact quote you requested. You know, the one you said you couldn't find anywhere in the thread. You know, the one you asked pop if he'd made up.

Yes, and I thanked you for doing so, but also pointed out the rest of the quote that you left out...you know, the part that fully explains what Scott was saying abou the hit....you know, the coaching part....you know, the part that's actually relevant to Poptart's phony criticism. Scott said he doesn't coach kids to lead with their helmet and that you try to correct them when they do. You know, that part.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:59 am**

He also mentioned that he normally checks the kid's eyes after the fact to see whether Little Timmy is blotto before coaching 'im up. That's just fucking brilliant. In fact, it's nearly on a ToeJam level of evil. If Our Little Hellion remains good to go, give him another "atta boy!" before tsk-tsking him. If, however, the poor kid is as lucid as M2 at a dildo convention, well, guess what?

It may already be too late.

Yeah, don't worry about your Pee Wee players' safety first, or anything. Nope, it's far more important to find and encourage "agressive" kids.

Sorry, Mace, but I'd much rather have you coach my kid. KC ToeJam's priorities seem rather fucked up.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:42 am**

Now you're being ridiculous, Van. Of course you check the player out first. Look for signs of a concussion and, if there are none and he's okay, you then coach him up and explain to him what he did wrong. If there are signs of a concussion, he goes to a doctor and, in accordance with Iowa high school rules, he can't return to practice or games without written permission of said doctor. Geez, it's really pretty simple. Getting your bell rung is part of playing the game but it's not always indicitive of a concussion.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:54 am**

Mace, of course I'm exaggerating. Still, it definitely rubs the wrong way to hear a guy talk about coaching up Pee Wees on how not to paralyze themselves after they've already done it all wrong, because the priority is to weed out the passive in favor of the "agressive." Is he ToeJam evil? No. Nobody but nobody is that bad, assuming ToeJam isn't trolling with all his Ghengis Khan crap.

That being said, I'd still rather have you than KC coach my kid.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:03 am**

Van wrote:Mace, of course I'm exaggerating. Still, it definitely rubs the wrong way to hear a guy talk about coaching up Pee Wees on how not to paralyze themselves after they've already done it all wrong,

You can only try to teach them proper fundies in practice and correct them after they do it wrong. What don't you understand about that? It takes time for those young kids to learn the right way to do things and a coach has to repeatedly correct them during practices and games. Hell, it's sometimes obvious that Div I players like Taylor Mays never learned how to tackle properly. Is Pete Carroll to blame for that? You don't think his pee-wee, middle school, and high school coaches tried to teach him and correct him before he got to USC and continued to look for the big hit rather than wrapping up and doing it right? I'd guess that all of his coaches tried but, as Poptart would say, "coaching FAIL." :roll:

because the priority is to weed out the passive in favor of the "agressive." Is he ToeJam evil? No. Nobody but nobody is that bad, assuming ToeJam isn't trolling with all his Ghengis Khan crap.

Scott has never posted one thing that would make me compare him to Toejam. Never, and certainly nothing in this thread.

That being said, I'd still rather have you than KC coach my kid.

Awww, shucks. No offense, but I'd rather coach Poptart's kid and leave a tennis raquet leaning against the Gatorade jug (where he would likely be hiding during practices) just to let him know he had options.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:29 am**

KC, if you sucked your own dick any more, you'd have your own cable show.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:32 am**

Van wrote:KC, if you sucked your own dick any more, you'd have your own cable show.

Ucant would tune in.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:41 am**

Mace wrote:Of course you check the player out first.

...of course.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:04 am**

Mace wrote:
Poptart wrote:Then he raised the bar on - just wow - even higher by saying that if was the coach in that clip, he would be on the side yelling, "bam, great hit."
Gee, Poptart, you're gonna have to show me where Scott uttered those words because I can't seem to find them anywhere in this thread. Or did you just make that part up in a bullshit attempt to support your stance?

LMAO!

Scott wrote:Putting that in the context of this video I'd have been the coach that yelled "bam" and "great hit" - beacuse of that natural agression.

BEAUTIFUL self-ass kicking there, ol' Mace.

Yeah, you sure showed me. bwaa....

Get a fucking nap, old man.

For the record, Mace and Scott support the drill as seen in the clip, because they know football.

Have two 6 yr olds line up 8 yds apart from each other, one-on-one, and then jet forward into each other on GO.

Hey, cut the distance in half, give 'em a lineman on each side, make sure they know what's going on.

Whatever...

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:56 am**

Mace wrote:... the part that fully explains what Scott was saying abou the hit....you know, the coaching part....you know, the part that's actually relevant to Poptart's phony criticism.

lol

psst...

My coaching criticism is that he put them in a bad drill, you senile old fuck.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:31 pm**

poptart wrote: For the record, Mace and Scott support the drill as seen in the clip, because they know football.

Have two 6 yr olds line up 8 yds apart from each other, one-on-one, and then jet forward into each other on GO.

there's nothing particularly wrong with a drill like that.....one of them was very aggressive, the other was pretty passive and he got steamrolled....coaching kids that age is a balancing act...you need to encourage aggressive play, but you also need to be able to recognize those players whose lack of aggression will eventually get them hurt and teach them the proper techniques of blocking and tackling so they can defend themselves....some of the best players I ever coached started out very timid and afraid....once they learned proper techniques and understood that if they employed those techniques they weren't going to get hurt it bolstered their confidence level and they turned out to be great players....

Hey, cut the distance in half, give 'em a lineman on each side, make sure they know what's going on.

in a game there are lots of instances where kids are going to get hit as hard (or harder) than the kids running that drill....players need to be aware of exactly what playing football entails and one of the inherent truths is that they are going to get hit and hit hard....the best thing the coach could have done was to pull the steamrolled kid aside and explain to him what it was he did wrong and teach him how to correct it....

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:46 pm**

Exactly, Felix. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the drill. Poptart's position in this thread is coming from the "dumb tennis player" angle and....well, that's about it.

Okay, Poptart, I've taken a nap and my Alzheimer pills....

While Poptart is certainly entitled to his opinions, I would lend far more credibility to an opinion about football drills for youth football from someone like Scott, who has actually coached youth football for 15 years, over that of "a dumb tennis player." If, for some God forsaken reason, we ever have a discussion about tennis, then Poptart's opinions might be worth reading. The nuts and bolts of football? Not so much. Yet that doesn't stop the dumb fucking tennis player from pretending to be an expert in coaching youth football.....go figure.

Posted: **Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:30 am**

Mace wrote:While Poptart is certainly entitled to his opinions, I would lend far more credibility to an opinion about football drills for youth football from someone like Scott, who has actually coached youth football for 15 years, over that of "a dumb tennis player."

Sorry you had to find out this way, but Scott lost his marbles somewhere along the way.

Watch the 0:08 clip again.
Watch the coach's reaction when that hit takes place.

"Ohhh... Gosh!!"

Yes, of course that's the reaction anyone would have.

But Scott says that he would have yelled out, "Bam! Great hit!"

Watch that clip again and add Coach Scott's yell to it in your mind - and realize how silly it is.

It's seriously one of the funniest things I've ever seen posted in this forum.

Scott's telling us he would have yelled, "Bam! Great hit!," means one of two things.

1) He really WOULD yell that, and he is just one of a litter of youth football coaches who suddenly think they have been transformed into Iron Mike Ditka when they are put in charge of a group of young football players.

2) He is a poser, and him telling us he would have yelled that is a mask for some sort inferiority complex he has.

Felix wrote:there's nothing particularly wrong with a drill like that

Right.

A drill like that.

Just because it's football, and it's supposed to be tough, doesn't mean a coach does STUPID shit which puts the players in danger.

The ballcarrier there was just a little squirt who obviously didn't really even know what the fuck was going on.

Bring those kids four yds apart and do the same thing.
Fine.
You've greatly diminished the chance that they are going to blast each other in the hat with impact like we see there, and then you are actually teaching them some tackling.
There is no REASON for them to go straight at each other from eight yds away like that.

Hey, I have NO DOUBT that youth coaches around the country do DUMB shit like this with the tiny kids.
It surely doesn't make it right.

And you go ahead, Felix, and do what I asked Mace and Scott to do... which they didn't.
That is, link me up to a site that recommends what we see in that clip.

Posted: **Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:04 pm**

poptart wrote:
That is, link me up to a site that recommends what we see in that clip.

wherein did I say I thought that particular drill was a good idea?

when I coached, we ran similar drills but the kids were much closer....the other thing I always did was to try and put kids of similar size and ability against each other....putting a passive kid against a really aggressive kid is the fastest way to turn a kid that wants to play football into a soccer player

I don't think it's a good idea to have kids that age running full speed one on one....they are way too young and to inexperienced for a drill like that to be of much benefit and will eventually end up with somebody getting hurt....

Posted: **Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:29 pm**

Good post, Scott. You pretty much described coaching to a "T".

Posted: **Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:46 pm**

Yep, KC's lengthy post about coaching mirrors the experiences of practically every coach I ever had. I always thought, 'You guys are crazy to do all this for us. What about your own families...your own lives?'

For those coaches who aren't ToeJam militaristic pyschos or oogey Sanduskies, what can you say? They perform an incredible service.

Posted: **Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:09 pm**

KC Scott wrote: It's also dealing with parents who though they've never coached a practice or a game, think they know more about it than you do. I was pretty lucky over the years to only have a handful of them who wanted their kid to be the QB or RB.

the absolute worst part of coaching....parents that think their kid is the next Johnny Unitas when he's probably more like the next Johnny Knoxville....weird thing, the parents "knowledge" of the game was typically proportionate to their child's ability.....the more clumsy the child, the more their parents claimed to "know" about coaching....the parents of the best players I ever coached never questioned any of the decisions I or any of the other coaches made insofar as who played and who didn't....

As mentioned, looking at these kids, I'm saying they are at least 8 which would be at minimum 2nd year tackle.

different styles bud...personally, I don't see where they gain a significant benefit being 8 yards away as opposed to 4 yards away.....sure you want to prepare the kids for all of the potentials that may come, but realistically the game at that level is generally 4-5 yards or less on average...

Posted: **Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:19 pm**

Van wrote:Yep, KC's lengthy post about coaching mirrors the experiences of practically every coach I ever had. I always thought, 'You guys are crazy to do all this for us. What about your own families...your own lives?'

Good point, Van. It does take a toll on marriages and families and it's a very delicate balancing act that forces you to make sacrifices. I missed several family weddings, graduations, etc, for nieces and nephews, and who knows how many other special times with my family....ones that I'll never get back. I know one very successful high school basketball coach who divorced his wife after she gave him the ultimatum of 'basketball or me', and he chose basketball. He said she obviously didn't love him or she wouldn't have asked him to make the choice. Personally, I've been close to divorce several times, but retiring from coaching has made a huge difference in my marriage.

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