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smackaholic wrote:spray's not worried. he's his own fukking life preserver. that fat fukk couldn't sink if he tried.

I'm sure Paul Watson would come to his rescue.

Derron wrote:

smackaholic wrote:Can't imagine you last very long when you capsize off the coast of oregon.

Cold water even in July / August. You got about 5 minutes if you go in, and your done for. If you get into a survival suit, you might get and hour and half. I never understood why they surf in that cold water, and why the tards went swimming in that water. Of course, seeing a great white take a seal on the surf line at Crescent City a few years back reinforced my dislike of swimming in the ocean.

I think a lot depends on body type/aerobic condition. A well insulated fat fukk with pretty decent cardio conditioning such as myself might last a half hour assuming i could swim hard enough to keep all my muscles from shutting down, dins' scrawny ass would go into hypothermic shock before he got wet. spray would prolly bob in the surface happily for a few hours, cardio conditioning be damned.

if i ever decide to go into deep water in a dingy, i think i'll make it the gulf. that shit's about 97 degrees most of the year. you'd go into heat exhaustion before hypothermia in that soup.

KC Scott wrote:I called Camp Branch and a slip is $110 mo - obviously not including the hoist I'd need to buy

Why would you need to buy a hoist? A hoist would be nice but a little algae never hurt a boat. $110 a month for a slip is a great price, and I’m pretty sure that’s a covered slip also correct? Get the slip you’ll be glad you did! Just don’t tell the wife about all the spiders until after you paid for the slip.

Here's a shitty picture of my floating jalopy. 18' 1997 0r 1996 Renken SeaMaster, 115 Evinrude, runs like a top! Chuck a couple rods in, some beers, chum blocks, live bait...a beautiful day follows. I paid $2500 for "her", cleaned the carbs, changed the impeller and gear oil, no problems. Bring it in and flush the motor, wash any big chunks of bait or guts off don't sweat the rest. My buddies have some great boats that they make payments on and spend all kinds of time fretting over this smudge or scratch, FUCK THAT! These assholes are making me take my shoes before I get on board! You can wear goddamn cleats on my boat, I don't care. I'll take my beater any day! I pin that throttle down in a foot of water and really don't worry if I beach the bitch! I'm out there banging into the dock, gelcoat flakes flying, whatever!

amen, brotha!!!!

better to have cheap functional toys than high maintenance hoes you are afraid to scratch.

i remember a few hundred years ago, going four wheeling with one of my navy buddies and a few friends of his. one dude had an older ford that was already a little banged up. He had a fukking blast. I was unfortunate enough to end up in the other dude's shiny new chebby. we were barreling along some dirt road and came to a section where it was just a tad rutted. Well, OK, the ruts were 2-3 ft deep. Anyhoo as were going through one of those ruts with just a slight port list, dude absolutely freaked the fukk out because the left side of his not so shiny, anymore truck was sliding along the side of the rut.

What a fukking tool.

I decided then that if I ever get a 4x4 for the purpose of off roading, it will look pretty much like DC's boat.

smackaholic wrote:I think a lot depends on body type/aerobic condition. A well insulated fat fukk with pretty decent cardio conditioning such as myself might last a half hour assuming i could swim hard enough to keep all my muscles from shutting down, dins' scrawny ass would go into hypothermic shock before he got wet. spray would prolly bob in the surface happily for a few hours, cardio conditioning be damned.

Actually, it depends almost solely on water temperature. Under 55 degrees, and you get 30 seconds... not really negotiable. Above 55, other factors come into play.

In late summer, along the shoreline, 250' depth or less, we can get up to around 62-63 degrees. Rest of the year, it's a little colder.

Perfect habitat for great whites. I too don't get the fools out there surfing in Oregon. I know Nelscott Reef is all gnarly and stuff (about a mile off shore), but I'll pass, thanks. Read somewhere a while back that per man-hour spent surfing, Oregon is #1 in shark attacks -- sounds fishy, but it always seems to come in bunches -- the most recent being a couple months or so. According to eyewitnesses, one dude who got whacked managed to kinda get on top of the shark and try to ride it in... I don't want to fight that guy.

Toddowen wrote:The only places around here that regularly see waves over 10' are the canyons along the continental shelf.

Only places we get them here are along the Pacific Coast.

They were over 10' the last time I was at the coast... Friday.

And I don't think we even lost any tourists in the last big storms a couple of weeks ago. Usually we get at least a couplefew every winter, who think it's cool to walk on the beach in a crazy storm, despite all the signs at the tourist beaches warning of the sneakers (freakishly large waves that pop out of the set, and come through and clean off the beach, rendering anyone there crabbait). Few years back, a construction crew out of Georgia hiked out to the end of the South Jetty at Yaquina (Newport) so their buddy could get a pic of 4 of them with 25' breakers crashing behind them. Dude snapped the pic right as they went bye-bye. I think they found one or two of the bodies.

Pretty calm in Lincoln City today, though (pretty calm in the valley, too).

Dinsdale wrote:Actually, it depends almost solely on water temperature. Under 55 degrees, and you get 30 seconds... not really negotiable. Above 55, other factors come into play.

I've been in water maybe a few degrees above 55. Refreshing for sure, but, you can hang out in it for a while. Folks swim the english channel in temps close to it.

I'd say your statement certainly holds water, if said water is 35. For the water we're talking about, which I suspect is around low 50s, I still think it depends quite a bit on the person.

There is one dude I think can handle it. Fat liquored up french canuck in speedo dude. Anyone who has been to old orchard or hampton beach along the NH/Maine coastline knows this dude. He is the only one in the water past his knees. I think he could last awhile in the surf in Oregon.

smackaholic wrote:
I think a lot depends on body type/aerobic condition. A well insulated fat fukk with pretty decent cardio conditioning such as myself might last a half hour assuming i could swim hard enough to keep all my muscles from shutting down

You would die quicker from heat loss if you tried to swim. We flew over 40 degree water sea surface temps on average and if we were lucky enough to be able to put on our dry suits in time then we would have a chance in the water.

One time an SSN went sinker up there and forgot they had 4 guys up on the mast. 3 decided to try to swim 5 miles to the Japanese coast and were never seen again. The one guy that stayed in place lived. We found him at night with infrared and night vision goggles. He was rescued. I'm guessing the skipper of that boat got relieved of his command.

After owning a couple of watercraft over the years it is best if you just find a friend with a boat. Let someone else deal with the hassles of ownership. A friend with a boat is like a friend with a bag of weed. Neither one wants to engage in the fun all by themselves. Just show up and pitch in for gas, bait, or munchies and freeload.

Papa Willie wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:Pretty calm in Lincoln City today, though (pretty calm in the valley, too).

Fuck, Dins - that looks to be pretty damned close to where I stayed at when I was in LC. I walked out on that point (at the back of that picture). I'd imagine that there's still a house up there on top of that point as well. Can you say "killer view"?

Cape Meares or Cape Lookout, can't remember which one right now...nice view from up there.There are several housing developments up there now, pretty pricey homes..I relieved one guy of 55K for a "natural" landscape job up there. Nasty ass weather up there a good 7 months per year, but awesome views.

Uhm... you're both fucking high.

The cam is at Chinook Winds Casino, on the beach at the north end of LC. The "point" in seen from the cam (for about another half hour or so) is Cascade Head (you can only see a tiny sliver of it). It's a freaking mountain (strange spur of the Cascades that juts to the ocean... hence the name) about 1200' tall. And there's no freaking houses on it (although you can hike a trail to te top and down near the water). Salmon River runs past the south slope.

There's houses on some of the other headlands around there... really nice ones, in fact. Not Cascade Head.


Really, Derron? Mears or Lookout? About 50 miles from Cape Mears. Probably over 30 from Lookout -- and in a different county.

Dinsdale wrote:Uhm... you're both fucking high.

The cam is at Chinook Winds Casino, on the beach at the north end of LC. The "point" in seen from the cam (for about another half hour or so) is Cascade Head (you can only see a tiny sliver of it). It's a freaking mountain (strange spur of the Cascades that juts to the ocean... hence the name) about 1200' tall. And there's no freaking houses on it (although you can hike a trail to te top and down near the water). Salmon River runs past the south slope.

There's houses on some of the other headlands around there... really nice ones, in fact. Not Cascade Head.


Really, Derron? Mears or Lookout? About 50 miles from Cape Mears. Probably over 30 from Lookout -- and in a different county.

Distances are deceiving on the ocean. Sue me.

I've been spending a bunch of time in LC of late. Awesome town. Always something to do, and parties like hell for a town of 5000. In summer, almost the whole beach (LC is like ten freaking miles long) is one giant party. Go down to the water, and you can meet peole and make friends all night...we call it "bonfire hopping."

Great town. Had a much cooler and drier winter than usual, but the storms have still come. They had 85+MPH winds in the last couple of weeks, and 110+ winds a few weeks before. Inches of rain per day when the storms hit. And the crew for the GC at my jobsite were still trying to get shit done... outside. Crazy fucks.


Been hitting up the prime rib buffet at the casino at the spot in the pic (cam is on their building). Three cuts of prime rib, a plate of roast turkey, a huge salad, and 2-course dessert usually does me OK.

In...

Papa Willie wrote: And ya - that god damned water was FUCKING COLD. I reckon high 50's/low 60's? That's why it stays cool. Water temp at anywhere on the GoM that time of year is mid-high 80's.

I was at "anywhere on the GoM" a few years back, visiting mom in Ft Meyer's Beach. That hot tub might be mid 80s in march, but, in late june it had to be on the + side of 95. Absolutely horrible to swim in. You are laying there on the beach in 93 degrees, 119% humidity and ya figure "I'll hop in and get cooled off". Well, hoping in sort of rinses a little bit of the sweat off, but there is nothing in the way of cooling off to be had. Somebody needs to tow a few icebergs down there and beach them. Might make the water cool enough to go in. Maybe up along the "redneck riviera" GoM temps are a bit nicer in the summer.

Mom says I really need to get my ass down there around march as it's still cool enough to swim in.

I decided then that if I ever get a 4x4 for the purpose of off roading, it will look pretty much like DC's boat.

Hahaha! Rack it smackaholic!

No. To swim there is to burn there. And THIS is after they'd done something to help it out a good bit. They used to have fish kills as it would go over 105. One day of note - I drove up there in an aluminum boat about 25 years ago, and suddenly I noticed that my feet were BURNING. That was one of those 105+ days.

That's crazy!

Papa Willie wrote:

Looks like we've found who had the Lunchboxenthal troll.

To me it looks like a dog or cat floating down to the bottom.

Papa Willie wrote:

Diego in Seattle wrote:To me it looks like a dog or cat floating down to the bottom.

It's honestly no huge surprise that you wouldn't know how to interpret depth finder information.

Or how to bring the funnay.

Diego in Seattle wrote:To me it looks like a dog or cat floating down to the bottom.

Our resident redundancy cop is gonna have an aneurism when he reads that.

BTW, Scott, he means your boat plug, not your butt plug.

Jsc810 wrote:Don't forget the plug.

Me and my fishing buddies have a rule -- every person going must check the plug before they board -- haven't fucked up on the plug in forever.

Dinsdale wrote:

Jsc810 wrote:Don't forget the plug.

Me and my fishing buddies have a rule -- every person going must check the plug before they board -- haven't fucked up on the plug in forever.

Made the mistake of delegating that task to a buddy one time 30 years ago when we went skiing. Apparently one joint on the way there was too much for his brain to handle, because he said, yeah it's in..and I backed the boat down and it started taking on water, I grabbed the plug off the dash and went over the side and plugged it in..pumped the water out and we were on our way.

We use the 3 person rule too..once was enough.

DAMN! That is a sweet rig KC! Looks like what I would put together with my Matchbox cars when I was a kid and dream! Glad it went well for ya.

I just sold my boat about 3 weeks ago. 3rd kid will be here at the end of the month and we could use the cash, to be honest. I almost, ALMOST! cried a little bit when she drove off connected to some other dude's hitch. I'm not going to have any time after this kid is born anyways. Fuck my life.

DC Smackmaster wrote:I almost, ALMOST! cried a little bit when she drove off connected to some other dude's hitch.

You're still talking about the boat, right?

Toddowen wrote:Gots ta git out dere sumday to that U and L place and try do sum fishinz fo' dem slamminz an shit.


Sounds like quite the spectacle...even if you don't catch fish.

The new craze is people hitting the river in kayaks. Either for springers (spring chinook slamon), and some hardcore mofos are fishing for oversized sturgeon... quite the sport fishing for 1000 pound fish off a kayak.

From what I've heard, fukking around with lobstermen's pots is a pretty good way to get dead. i suspect they would just shoot you and chop you up for bait.

Actually, I had no idea that the ocean sunfish's (Mola Mola) range extended to the cooler waters off New England. Always thought they were a tropical climate fish. Scuba diving, I have two on my bucket list... seeing a whale shark and Mola Mola, with the Mola Mola being the more difficult of the two seeing as how they are 'roamers' in the open waters (pelagic) rather than reef denizen.

a little bigger than the sunfish i pulled out of lakes as a kid.

btw, sunfish are a blast to catch for kids. they'r easier than pikkkle at the NBA allstar party. pretty damn tasty too.

He did OK on the board for his first time. I used to love sling shotting my boys on the tube..they all thought they were such bad asses..I would start making a circle at about 65% power..Make one full circle then 1/2 through the second circle, just fucking nail the gas and they go flying around..usually will bounce about 2 or 3 times before stopping.

Keeps them tired and coming back for more..after about the first year, my boys were pretty hard core boarders and skiers..it was a lot of fun..

Toddowen wrote:But Fuck, man...it sure sounds dangerous with all the pieces being flashed. And Oregon doesn't honor my ccw.

BTW-The beauty there is you don't need a CCW or any such thing while fishing -- just a fishing license (if you're not a felon). Covers you while you're in transport to and from fishing, as well (same law goes for hunting).

Sidenote -- my oldest, bestest fishing buddy now gets paid to take greenhorns on drifboat trips for chinook/steelhead. Not the best paying job, and cuts into his much more lucrative job, but getting a few bucks to spend a day on the river doesn't suck.

KC Scott wrote:no trim on jet boat.

I've been on many a boat in my day... usually it's teeming with trim. I mean, WTF is the point of owning one?

KC Scott wrote:no trim on jet boat - so yea tube riders get the whitewater

In hindsight, I wish I'd had a chance to test drive several boats before I picked the Yamaha. Not saying I'd have picked a different boat, but would have been nice to have something to compare it to.

Jet is not the best for skiing, boarding and tubing. Throws up that rooster tail and all. Plus they are inefficient at converting gasoline to usable horsepower.The boarders like that rougher water in the wake of the boat ,skiers like the smoother water out to the side of the wake to make those elbow touching turns a lot of fun.

My money thinks you be wanting to have one of these if your boys want to get all hard core and shit..V driver propeller, mid ship engine mount for better balance, V-8 horsepower, plus a boat you can rod around a bit too..



This link takes you right to Natique's website and has a shot of the kind of boats we see all over up here. But be prepared to lay down some major jack on one of these..

http://www.nautique.com/models/super-air-nautique-g23/

Toddowen wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:

Toddowen wrote:But Fuck, man...it sure sounds dangerous with all the pieces being flashed. And Oregon doesn't honor my ccw.

BTW-The beauty there is you don't need a CCW or any such thing while fishing -- just a fishing license (if you're not a felon). Covers you while you're in transport to and from fishing, as well (same law goes for hunting).

Sidenote -- my oldest, bestest fishing buddy now gets paid to take greenhorns on drifboat trips for chinook/steelhead. Not the best paying job, and cuts into his much more lucrative job, but getting a few bucks to spend a day on the river doesn't suck.

Good info to know.

Matter of fact, if I ever visit Oregon, how about I'll just carry my Kimber 1911 every single minute that my head isn't on a pillow and claim that I'm on my way to the Clackamas to drop a line in the water? Should work.

By the way...out of curiousity I decided to have a looksee at the Clackamas on Googlemaps. I swear you see literally hundreds of people lined along huge stretches of its banks in those map photos. Incredible

Google maps/ Earth updated this area last summer in mid August sometime, between the 9th and 12th. What you see on the Clackamas River is the summer time use of that river when the fish runs are not happening. It gets huge pressure all the way up to River Mill Dam to the mouth. Big party time in the summer. Lots of beer drinking, bikinis, topless women and a pretty good time. Stays pretty much under control due to heavy 5/0 presence daily. Of course they have the requisite riot every couple of years and a few drownings, but Darwin has to work in the summer too. You can scroll around to other rivers and lakes and see the summer pressure.

Kimber 1911? Great gun, but a bit on the large size for trying to conceal in the summer.

With the Clack, you have a decent sized mountain stream that drains into a heavily populated urban area.

On hot weekend days, there's tens of thousands of people seeking recreation there... because apparently, their trailer doesn't have AC. I know arial surveys have estimated 30,000+ rafts/inner tubes on the river at a time. It's how we roll here.

"White trash" doesn't begin to do 90% of them justice. Seen some awesome fights on the banks, though.

But as Derron mentioned, August-September is something of a lull in the fish runs (there's still plenty around, but the water's a little too warm and clear for red-hot fishing), and the water's low enough you can't take a real fishing boat in it, even a driftboat -- pretty much an inflatable show...

leading to what we call "the afternoon rubber hatch" on the Clack.

Many thousands of drunken white trash out on the river and you say fights ensue?

No way!

Hopefully some of them take advantage of the gun toting rights for some espepcially good entertainment.

smackaholic wrote:Many thousands of drunken white trash out on the river and you say fights ensue?

No way!

Hopefully some of them take advantage of the gun toting rights for some espepcially good entertainment.

Trouble is these dudes that carry can't hit the broad side of a fucking barn 10 paces away. They keep "wounding" them in the legs or "non lethal" wounds. They just spray and pray. If they catch these guys they need to send them to the range with boxes of ammo and get 6 of 10 in the body mass. Get the kill shot in.

If they then kill the other g, then prosecute them, but get the kill shot in first.

Most of them too fucking stupid to carry pieces..but then felons cannot posses weapons anyway.

This video pretty much sums up what Dins was talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eXQWMLLqVs