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[Moving Sale]

Your theory is shit you fucking beanpole looking inbreed.
No amount of you being a bigger asshole is going to change that.

[Dinsdale]

To busy sticking cock in your ass to study false dicot in high school?

Some of us studied it enough to at least be able to spell it.


Classic.

[Moving Sale]

Rebuilding the roads and bridges is fine - States do it all the time with bond issues. Of all the things in BO budget this is one I'd endorse spending tax dollars on because it would directly benefit the economy /infrastructure. I remember that being one of his stimulus promises back in 2008. 6 Trillion dollars later it's still not done

Paris France to Paris Texas. You are all over the map.

[mvscal]

Investing in education is bad? Haven't public schools always been run with tax dollars? Guaranteed student loans for college students? That's a bad idea?

Yes, they are all bad ideas. If you have any further questions, examine the product of public education and ask yourself if we are really getting our money's worth out of public education. If not eliminated altogether, public education should be limited to 6th grade. Teach them to read, to write, do basic arithmetic and basic home ec then say good bye to the public tit.

In any event, public education is clearly state level responsibility if the voters of that state approve such expenditures. There is no legal Constitutional basis for Federal involvement in public education and certainly nothing that would permit them to guarantee loans between private contracting parties.

Rebuilding roads, bridges, and schools is bad? Haven't we always spent tax dollars for that too? Don't privately owned contractors get paid for that?

Roads and bridges aren't schools. That should be noted. Also it should be noted that Congress is specifically empowered "To establish Post Offices and post Roads." Post roads being the modern interstates.

Are you trying to say that Romney will not spend government money for these things...

Don't fret. Mitt Romney is going to spend a pile 'o money we don't have just maybe not quite as much as Obluegums.

[Moving Sale]

To busy sticking cock in your ass to study false dicot in high school?

Some of us studied it enough to at least be able to spell it.


Classic.

But no big surprise -- anyone who's seen Schilling lately understands his substance abuse renders him unable to doa simple interview, much less run a business.

Go shovel shit pencilneck.

[Moving Sale]

If not eliminated altogether, public education should be limited to 6th grade.

Nice post you commie fuck.

[Bizzarofelice]

If not eliminated altogether, public education should be limited to 6th grade.

should lead to more uneducated whites aka GOP voters

[Mace]

If not eliminated altogether, public education should be limited to 6th grade.

should lead to more uneducated whites aka GOP voters

Maybe he's got a point. Going back to the horse and buggy would drastically reduce fuel consumption too. :roll:

[Wolfman]

As a kid I remember horses used for delivery,etc. during the war (old farts like me say "the war" when talking about WW2) because of gas rationing. Nothing beat having a horse piss in the street where you were playing touch football or whatever. The old women would run out and fight over the horse crap for fertilizer. The milk delivery guy let me ride on his wagon. That's when I learned about hit the ground running after a couple scraped knees. Any "greenie" wanting to return to those days is full of-------- horse crap.

Is the election over?

[Bizzarofelice]

Is the election over?

pretty much. your side won. got to run up the bills and die before the next generation had to wipe your ass and pay for your fun. thanks for taking responsibility, greatest generation.

[mvscal]

If not eliminated altogether, public education should be limited to 6th grade.

should lead to more uneducated whites aka GOP voters

Actually it would lead to quite the opposite. Let's face it, public education is an unmitigated failure. In many areas it's little more than kindergarden penitentiary. Look at the millions of zombies shambling through life totally clueless. They lose power for three days and they start shitting in the hallways of their housing projects. These people are barely even human let alone educated or useful and there are millions of them and all products of public education. Oh yes, they're also eligible to vote once they turn eighteen.

If you must, focus society's resources on primary education. You will leave 6th grade knowing how to read, write, add, subtract, multiply and divide. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Really, how much longer should society continue to wipe your ass before you start taking responsibility for your own life?

It isn't even arguable that the pinnacle of American intellectual, philosophical and cultural achievement was in the Colonial Period long before the advent of public education.

[trev]

Who is going to add up our electoral votes? That would be interesting.

The President of the Senate in Joint Session of Congress, dummy.

I didn't know T1B had a Senate. That's pretty cool.

[kcdave]

Not voting for either. Not voting at all. They are both liars and crooks.
Would vote for Johnson if the Libertarian Party were taken serious and actually had a punchers chance.

[Mace]

Who is going to add up our electoral votes? That would be interesting.

The President of the Senate in Joint Session of Congress, dummy.

I didn't know T1B had a Senate. That's pretty cool.

Look for it to end up in the Supreme Court. mvscal mistook his dick for a hanging chad and fucked up the count.

[Felix]

Rebuilding the roads and bridges is fine - States do it all the time with bond issues.

are you out of your fucking mind?

how much do you think it costs to build a road?

here's a hint....a three mile extension of Highway 509 outside of Seattle and some lane widening along I-5 will cost about 1.4 billion dollars.....that's for 3 miles of new road, and widening another...btw, that's just the construction costs and doesn't include the costs for design or for land acquisition....

want to take another stab at it.....

[Bizzarofelice]

Let's face it, public education is an unmitigated failure.

this looks like fun. based upon what criteria is public education an unmitigated failure. i understand arguments that it is silly to give the teachers so much and a two month vacation. i understand arguments that the public school kids in the cities aren't learning as much as the public school kids in the suburbs. i understand a family paying to educate their kids don't want to be taxed to send other kids to public school. but i wouldn't consider the entire system a failure because it has inefficiencies or flaws.

In many areas it's little more than kindergarden penitentiary. Look at the millions of zombies shambling through life totally clueless.

1. i think 99.9 percent of americans are zombies shambling though life totally clueless. you probably feel the same way.
2. can you make a broad statement based upon what happens in a few areas.
3. kindergarten and public school are a stabilizing force for the lower and middle classes. those work forces need a penitentiary to stash their brats so they can work.
4. we won't have lower and middle classes without these schools because even minimum wage jobs require the skills learned in the lower level of education.

They lose power for three days and they start shitting in the hallways of their housing projects. These people are barely even human let alone educated or useful and there are millions of them and all products of public education.

we can worry about higher things because civilization has been built up and we rely upon it. we stand on the shoulders of previous generations. because we can rely on electricity and transportation systems, we can use our brains focusing on nuclear physics and american idol and tim tebow. when those shared systems are gone, the interim may be ugly, but i wouldn't blame the public school system for that. i'm guessing home schooled kids missed honey boo boo as well as public school kids.

If you must, focus society's resources on primary education. You will leave 6th grade knowing how to read, write, add, subtract, multiply and divide. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

sounds good to me, too. you will also know about america, why you should be happy to be american, how to interact with your ''peers'',following instruction from authority figures.

[Truman]

...or you want to rely on the private sector to grow jobs

What is the incentive for this amazing "private sector" to keep jobs in America?

Well, for starters, you could lower the federal corporate tax rate to the same level as, oh, I dunno, Canada's....

Businesses have a tendency to grow (hire) when they have a little money in their pockets and a viable economic environment in which to operate to market their wares/talents/services/...

[Bizzarofelice]

Businesses have a tendency to grow (hire) when they have a little money in their pockets and a viable economic environment in which to operate to market their wares/talents/services/...

are those the only criteria?

[Dinsdale]

Rebuilding the roads and bridges is fine - States do it all the time with bond issues.

are you out of your fucking mind?

how much do you think it costs to build a road?

here's a hint....a three mile extension of Highway 509 outside of Seattle and some lane widening along I-5 will cost about 1.4 billion dollars.....that's for 3 miles of new road, and widening another...btw, that's just the construction costs and doesn't include the costs for design or for land acquisition....

want to take another stab at it.....

This is one of the most astoundlingly moronic things I've ever read.

And it's liberalism in a nutshell.

Yes, Felix really typed this -- a road project is too expensive for a state to finance... therefore, if the feds fund it, the Money Fairy magically makes the money appear out of thin air.


Monumental dumbfuckery. It takes a special kind of stupid to make a statement like that.

[Truman]

Businesses have a tendency to grow (hire) when they have a little money in their pockets and a viable economic environment in which to operate to market their wares/talents/services/...

are those the only criteria?

He only asked for one. Did the phrase "for starters" in my original post confuse you?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

a road project is too expensive for a state to finance...

Maybe when your soldiers aren't busy fighting those laughable wars, you could employ them on infrastructure like dams, roads, bridges...etc...

Just like the Chinese and N. Koreans.

I mean...they're already on the taxpayer's dime, right?

[Carson]

North Korea is world reknown for their infrastructure.

[War Wagon]

Rebuilding the roads and bridges is fine - States do it all the time with bond issues.

are you out of your fucking mind?

how much do you think it costs to build a road?

here's a hint....a three mile extension of Highway 509 outside of Seattle and some lane widening along I-5 will cost about 1.4 billion dollars.....that's for 3 miles of new road, and widening another...btw, that's just the construction costs and doesn't include the costs for design or for land acquisition....

want to take another stab at it.....

This is one of the most astoundlingly moronic things I've ever read.

And it's liberalism in a nutshell.

Yes, Felix really typed this -- a road project is too expensive for a state to finance... therefore, if the feds fund it, the Money Fairy magically makes the money appear out of thin air.


Monumental dumbfuckery. It takes a special kind of stupid to make a statement like that.

Dins is on a roll.

When I first read that take from Feelsdix... there aren't enough :rolleyes to fill this page.

Yes, Felix. States fund road projects all the time, at least mine does. Even Cities have been known to be able to build new roads, bridges, etc. without needing a dime of Federal funding.

As always, you remain a dumbass.

[Carson]

Only the feds could spend 1.4 billion on three miles of highway. :x

[Truman]

We already do, Marty, to a certain extent. Ever heard of the Army Corps of Engineers?

Still, pretty much the overarching function of our military is to break things and kill people.

[Moving Sale]

It's not like there is anything in Art. 1 sec. 8 about roads or anything eh Dims?
Now STFU and sober up before you post again you lerch looking bugeyed cumbucket.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Still, pretty much the overarching function of our military is to break things and kill people.

Too much "down time" makes the troops "soft".

Stick a shovel in their hand. A few callouses never killed anyone.

[Bizzarofelice]

Businesses have a tendency to grow (hire) when they have a little money in their pockets and a viable economic environment in which to operate to market their wares/talents/services/...

are those the only criteria?

He only asked for one. Did the phrase "for starters" in my original post confuse you?

So the Tigers suck and their record is shitty and they won't be sniffing a bowl this year because Josey still isn't ready. "for starters".

[Truman]

For the love of Christ, Midget Sale, it's fucking "Lurch."

L.U.R.C.H. Lurch.


"Lurch"

Of course, at your height, EVERYBODY looks like "Lerch" to you...

[Truman]

Still, pretty much the overarching function of our military is to break things and kill people.

Too much "down time" makes the troops "soft".

Naw, that's why they go play in the cat box for 10 years. Well, that, and to make defense contractors fat.

[Truman]

So the Tigers suck...

As applied to US corporate taxes, your little allegory need go no further...

[Moving Sale]

Actually you look like a fat flyover fuck to me.
Mix in a carrot assface.

[Truman]

Mix in a comma, assface.

Fixed

[Derron]

this looks like fun. based upon what criteria is public education an unmitigated failure. i understand arguments that it is silly to give the teachers so much and a two month vacation. i understand arguments that the public school kids in the cities aren't learning as much as the public school kids in the suburbs. i understand a family paying to educate their kids don't want to be taxed to send other kids to public school. but i wouldn't consider the entire system a failure because it has inefficiencies or flaws.

If you must, focus society's resources on primary education. You will leave 6th grade knowing how to read, write, add, subtract, multiply and divide. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Well here is a criteria you can look at. This is well under the national average, but then again education is a state function and should be evaluated as such.The cry is now and always has been, " We need more money", " We need lower class sizes". "We want our step increases", "We want our COLA's". "Administrators make too much".

http://www.oregonlive.com/education/ind ... es_we.html

The average teacher salary in Oregon is 52K. Retirement benefits and family health care take this to 71K. A stepped out teacher costs the Districts about 105K per year. For 105K per year, we should expect a 90% graduation rate in 4 years, no need for remedial classes in the first year of college. The retirement costs in our local district went up 45% this last 2 years. They will go up at least that much in the next 2 years, and in 2017 is forecast to increase another 45%.

Labor burden is about 65% of salary right now, and is forecast to increase to 75% in the next 4 years. Labor costs across most districts are at or approaching 90% of income / TAX REVENUE.

Completely unsustainable and a complete collapse of our education system is coming soon. Retirement reform and health care are all bargained with the FUCKING PUBLIC EMPLOYEE UNIONS. True reform that would have any impact on these excessive costs if started today is at least 25 to 30 years away.

But hey..what the fuck..the administrators and teachers can all retire at no less than 85% to 100% of salary and have no problems while we graduate under 75% of the students???? This is seriously fucked up and until changed will continue to result in low rates all around. Tell me you knew that.

You suggestion of ceasing public education in the 6th grade may fly in the deep south, but is the stupidest idea I have ever seen presented on the subject.

[Mace]

We've had this discussion before, Derron, and the bottom line is that Oregon (and some other states) have seriously fucked up public employee pensions that make no sense. I'm lucky to live in a state that has a more common sense approach to retirement benefits for public employees.

[Moving Sale]

Mix in a comma, assface.

Fixed

I see what you did there. You are too fat and lazy and stupid to actually post a take so you threw down some epic syntax smack.
Now back away from the crisco topped pancakes and grow a fucking brain.

[Moving Sale]

You suggestion of ceasing public education in the 6th grade may fly in the deep south, but is the stupidest idea I have ever seen presented on the subject.

What's the problem? A 6th grade education "worked" for you and the two gov leeches you call your children you inbreed looking cumsponge.

[Bizzarofelice]

education is a state function and should be evaluated as such.

is it? the district I went to school in st. louis county had more money than the district due south in a different county. are the students out of the two respective districts comparable because they are in the same state? my district had much more tax money dedicated to it, and the students were from more affluent communities.

The cry is now and always has been, " We need more money", " We need lower class sizes". "We want our step increases", "We want our COLA's". "Administrators make too much".

as it is with most unions, we accept their collective bargaining and they foment a culture of union vs. the bourgeoisie. their goals are not necessarily those of the district or taxpayers.

Completely unsustainable and a complete collapse of our education system is coming soon.

probably an overreaction. the system was established generations ago with little thought to what retirement guarantees would cost. any "collapse" would come from an inability to change the burdens due to political problems. it could be a controlled dismantling or controlled redirection before anything close to a "collapse" happens.

True reform that would have any impact on these excessive costs if started today is at least 25 to 30 years away.

Yup. Good thing our politicians have been so diligent with our tax dollars. Strike that... good thing politicians 30 years ago were so diligent with our tax dollars today.

But hey..what the fuck..the administrators and teachers can all retire at no less than 85% to 100% of salary and have no problems while we graduate under 75% of the students????

That is what was guaranteed to them. And that was guaranteed to many other people who are near retirement age now from other companies and government offices. They were the greatest generation and now they have swindled their way into our bank accounts today. the graduation rate has nothing to do with the amount teachers are given to retire. separate argument.

You suggestion of ceasing public education in the 6th grade may fly in the deep south, but is the stupidest idea I have ever seen presented on the subject.

people can pay for the education after 6th grade.

[Derron]

is it? the district I went to school in st. louis county had more money than the district due south in a different county. are the students out of the two respective districts comparable because they are in the same state? my district had much more tax money dedicated to it, and the students were from more affluent communities.

Local issue. In our state they passed a ballot measure in 1991 that equalized all school funding on the state level. The schools in affluent Lake No Negro's got hte same funding as the shitholes in the innercity or Buttfuck rural, OR. I was RIFed from a school district where I was a journeyman grounds keeper sucking the government tit. I would be retiring this year if I had been able to stay with a pension around 5K per month.

as it is with most unions, we accept their collective bargaining and they foment a culture of union vs. the bourgeoisie. their goals are not necessarily those of the district or taxpayers.

The unions completely control the ballot box in the state when they turn out their members, families and retirees. Slam dunk any election in the state.

probably an overreaction. the system was established generations ago with little thought to what retirement guarantees would cost. any "collapse" would come from an inability to change the burdens due to political problems. it could be a controlled dismantling or controlled redirection before anything close to a "collapse" happens.

Not an overreaction at all. The people in charge of reforming the system will be collecting from the system.

Yup. Good thing our politicians have been so diligent with our tax dollars. Strike that... good thing politicians 30 years ago were so diligent with our tax dollars today.

Of course the payoffs from the unions helped a bit.

That is what was guaranteed to them. And that was guaranteed to many other people who are near retirement age now from other companies and government offices. They were the greatest generation and now they have swindled their way into our bank accounts today. the graduation rate has nothing to do with the amount teachers are given to retire. separate argument.

Yes it was. I make no idea that we should take what is contractually guaranteed to them. Never stand the court challenge anyway. But you have to start reform at some point. When the system crash's to the point that they cannot keep class sizes under 40 students, or they cannot function anymore due to the retirement payouts, then you will see shit start to change.

people can pay for the education after 6th grade.

Still the most stupid idea I have ever heard of.

[Bizzarofelice]

Local issue. In our state they passed a ballot measure in 1991 that equalized all school funding on the state level.

verrrah interesting. so all the districts are achieving the same now, right?

Of course the payoffs from the unions helped a bit.

maybe partially. but voter acceptance helped more. the people who took money from unions wouldn't be in power making decisions if they weren't consistently accepted as leaders.