RFK Jr. wants law to ‘punish global warming skeptics’

[Rooster]

So all this attention is being paid to global warming, but no one on the save-the-environment side is saying a single thing about air strikes destroying oil refineries with all of its' attendant pollution. Is it because the president is their boy? Why does Obama hate Mother Nature? Why isn't RFK Jr. asking for Holder to prosecute his buddy for contributing to global warming?

[Goober McTuber]

You have no idea what you are doing do you?

Yes, I do. Do You?

[Moving Sale]

First, the WTC7 collapse is an event that occurred in the past. To understand why it collapsed does not involve the consideration of any theory about what might or might not occur in the future.

Yea because no building is ever going to be damaged and on fire in the future.

Second, all of the science required to determine why a man-made structure 47 stories tall, which had visible structural damage and was on fire for many hours, collapsed is not particularly complicated, and every aspect of it could be tested and validated in a controlled setting if there truly was a valid reason to build a 47 story tall building solely to test whether when such a structure is structurally damaged and set on fire, it will collapse under its own weight.

If it’s not that complicated why don’t you walk me thru it?

There is no possible way to test a theory of how rather small inputs of CO2 into the atmosphere over time may or may not affect the climate in the future. There are too many variables.

There is no possible way to test the outcome of lots of things whether they be scientific, social or political. There was no way to know the outcome nor test what the outcome of WW2 was going to be. We tested rockets and they still exploded and killed people. Sometimes in life you have to take what you have and move on it before it is too late. That being said I am not advocating carbon credits and the like, because I don’t think we know what the earth is going to do with all this extra C02.

Third, if there was an actual scientific debate regarding why WTC7 collapsed, the outcome of that debate would not drive a policy decision regarding whether wealth transfer payments should be made and whether the use of certain energy resources ought to be curtailed.

There is more scientific debate about 911 than climate change, so I’m not sure why you are being so dismissive and there was a HUGE policy change because of 911. Have you been living under a rock?

The standard of proof for driving a policy decision based on an expected future outcome is much higher than the standard of proof for explaining why or how a historical event occurred.

Not if you are going to use the event to invade countries, tap every phone in the US and take my H20 bottle at the airport.

Apples. Oranges.

Science is science. Some is hard and some is easy but it is all science.


Look I know you can’t give me anything specific about WTC7 because it doesn’t exist. All the lemmings like yourself took it hooklineandsinker and now you are invested in it so you wont even take a fresh look at it. That and it didn’t just fall because of a little debris and a few fires. That’s just crazy talk.

[Killian]

So were back to where we began. Why don't you tell us how it fell? Or at least give us your theory. You don't buy the official explanation, we get that. So tell us yours.

[Moving Sale]

Why don't you tell us how it fell?

Because I'm not the one pimping a theory. Why don't you drop a little science on me?

[Moving Sale]

I was mearly commenting on YOUR wack theory. As I said before you were destined to lose this argument before it started. You want proof of climate change but you won't provide proof of a simple building collapse. Why is that? It's because, as you know, from 9/11/01 through 12/31/2012, there are 34 papers advocating demolition versus 25 papers that toe the line; among these, 15 of the demolition papers address WTC 7 whereas only 4 toe the line papers do so.

[Left Seater]

[prayer]Please don't let this be the thing that brings LTS back to the board.[/prayer]