Poptart, serious question

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:29 pm

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:
Jay in Phoenix wrote:King James vs. New Testament

They are not exclusive to each other.

CAN'T YOU FUCKING READ?! IT WAS A TRICK QUESTION!!

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:30 pm

And RACK Dr. Scott.

trev · Post by **trev** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:33 pm

Maybe he doesn't believe the devil exists. Because it doesn't. Sheesh.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:40 am

Jsc wrote:Nothing we say here will affect you, that's why I'm saying find someone you trust and talk about these things with him or her.

I hope that person will be able to help you escape the Devil's hold. It is sad seeing the Devil's influence on you like this.

Please let us know when you've spoken with your trusted friend. Godspeed.

Let me know where you have anything to lend to the discussion.

You repeated the mantra that I have misinterpreted the Scriptures, yet have never even taken the first step to show me where I have misinterpreted them.

You're hot air.
Nothing more.

Show me the Scriptures whereby we might conclude that the earth is moving through space at 50,000 mph with the sun.
The Scripture that would lend itself to the earth moving at all.
Rotating.
Orbiting the sun.
Show me the Scripture that says we have no firmament.
Show me the Scripture that says the earth is round.

I've shown you the OPPOSITE of all of this in Scripture -- and you've shown NOTHING.
Just mutterings and very lame memes.

Scripturally, you've got NOTHING.

Show me, 'tard.

And no, "Well the pope said so" doesn't cut it.
lol

"Science" and NASA are your gods.
Good luck with that.

Romans 11:4
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:50 am

Trev, homework for you:

Read the following Scripture -- in this order.

1. Genesis 1:26-28
2. Genesis 2:17
3. Genesis 3:1-6
4. Genesis 3:16-19
5. Romans 5:12

trev · Post by **trev** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:22 pm

poptart wrote:Trev, homework for you:

Read the following Scripture -- in this order.

1. Genesis 1:26-28
2. Genesis 2:17
3. Genesis 3:1-6
4. Genesis 3:16-19
5. Romans 5:12

Are these about the devil? I will never believe in the hell or the devil. I do, however, sometimes believe we have hell on earth. The evidence is obvious.

Love ya though, tart.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:22 pm

Off on a little tangent from trev's questions...

Relating to the different Bibles, and maybe related to some things I've spoken about recently...

As I said, I favor the King James Bible -- and very strongly so.
I would not want to use the other versions.

Revelation 12:9 speaks of a very important event, because it is really at the very CENTER of why humanity is in such a pathetic and failed state.
This verse (which we can know from cross reference with Isaiah 14:12-15 is talking about a past event) speaks of Satan and his demons being cast out of heaven ----> to earth, uses interesting wording in the King James.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

All other translations say that satan and his angels were cast TO the earth.
And sure, we can believe that this sounds like the right wording for this event.

But notice the King James said satan and his angels were cast INTO the earth.

It's very interesting that the word INTO (the earth) is used.

And then similarly, when speaking about the giants (or Nephilim - fallen ones) in Genesis 6:4, notice the Word again.
All other translations say that Nephilim was ON the earth at this time (Noah's time).

But the King James says...

Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

There were giants IN the earth in those days.

IN the earth.
It's interesting.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:50 pm

poptart wrote:There were giants IN the earth in those days.

Well, that's what Chuck Bednarik was working on.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:07 pm

poptart wrote: There were giants IN the earth in those days.

IN the earth.
It's interesting.

Giants? Oh, I see. Not seismic activity. Giants. Got it.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:18 pm

poptart wrote:There were giants IN the earth in those days.

IN the earth.
It's interesting.

Nope, it's just stupid. Primitive minds not comprehending seismic activity would go with a conceptual myth like giants, like most of the Babble in fact. Another classic poptart fail.

Let us know when they unearth the "giant" fossilized remains.

We'll be waiting as we are rotf, lol, or any other cliched and tired abbreviations you love to cling to.

Welcome to 2015 'tart. Grow up and move on.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:11 pm

Jay wrote:Primitive minds not comprehending seismic activity

Seismic activity??

What it the world are you guys talking about??

I TOLD YOU, the other translations all say there were Nephilim (only King James says Giants) ON the earth.

Look up Nephilim.

Seismic activity??
lol

Just stay away, seriously.
It's not even worth trying to have any kind of conversation with you.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:18 pm

poptart wrote:There were giants IN the Earth.

In the Earth.

Your own Scripture and words 'tart.

Stay consistent or seriously shut the fuck up.

Weren't you saying you were taking some off?

Please do, you need it.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:36 pm

Jay, from what you (and mvscal) said,, it's more than evident that you don't even know what my discussion is about.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:33 am

poptart wrote:Jay, from what you (and mvscal) said,, it's more than evident that you don't even know what my discussion is about.

Tart, from your bullshit lies, it's more than evident than ever you can't even remember or scroll up to see the crap you have just spewed.

IN vests UNDER. You do have the basic idea what makes those two words different?

So, were these giants IN or UNDER the Earth.

Your previously quoted Scripyure said UNDER.

So, which is it?

Words poptart. Understand them or quit. Again. And again.

Or continue to lie about it.

Credibility has flown over the cuckoo coop for you pops.

Go to bed.

Come back when you can get your own crap straight.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:39 am

The thoughtful readers among us, pay no attention to Jay.
He is babbling.

These (Revelation 12:9, Genesis 6:4) are two important passages - speaking of spiritual entities.
Satan, demons, the giants (or Nephilim).

In the King James (as opposed to nearly all other translations), we are told that they went INTO the earth, or they were IN the earth.
There is some reason why this Word was used.

So I take it that way.
They went INTO the earth, or they were IN the earth.

I find that Wording so curious, and it sticks out so blatantly, that I have asked others before what they make of it.
The responses are... Oh, I never noticed that. I don't know."
"In, on, so what? I don't see what difference it makes"
"I don't see what you are talking about."
"In and on is the same thing, isn't it? So what?"
"What time is lunch?"

That the King James would use this Wording is a very interesting to ponder.
At least to me, it is.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:46 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
poptart wrote:There were giants IN the earth in those days.

Well, that's what Chuck Bednarik was working on.

Racketh.

2rd the rack.

pretty sure Frank Gifford was still aching from the hit chuck put on him when he checked out recently.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:49 pm

I have spent the last few days trying to rework "Hop on Pop" to suit this thread. Somebody help a literary-challenged nigga out, will ya?

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:32 pm

poptart wrote:The thoughtful readers among us, pay no attention to Jay.
He is babbling.

These (Revelation 12:9, Genesis 6:4) are two important passages - speaking of spiritual entities.
Satan, demons, the giants (or Nephilim).

In the King James (as opposed to nearly all other translations), we are told that they went INTO the earth, or they were IN the earth.
There is some reason why this Word was used.

So I take it that way.
They went INTO the earth, or they were IN the earth.

Into or on, yep the exact same thing.

Make up your mind tart, as you make up your "interpretation" of Scripture.

So sarcasm aside, what is the reason these giants went into the Earth?

Since we have found literally millions of fossils of innumerable species, where are even one of the remains of these beings? Why haven't we found even one?

We can unearth a single half inch trilobite fossil, or a giant mammoth, yet not one giant humanoid being?

Or did they just vanish in a spiritual blast of magic glitter ala a Star Wars Jedi?

Or do you just not know, as per usualm?

The responses are... Oh, I never noticed that. I don't know."
"In, on, so what? I don't see what difference it makes"
"I don't see what you are talking about."
"In and on is the same thing, isn't it? So what?"
"What time is lunch?"

That the King James would use this Wording is a very interesting to ponder.
At least to me, it is.[/quote]

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:23 pm

I wouldn't read anything into gaps in the fossil record. Giants and dragons? Or bronze age nomads attempting to make sense out of dinosaur fossils.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:25 pm

mvscal wrote:I wouldn't read anything into gaps in the fossil record.

Agreed.

But I'm inclined to read something into the lack of giant humans in any other culture's lore from the period.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:42 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
mvscal wrote:I wouldn't read anything into gaps in the fossil record.
Agreed.

But I'm inclined to read something into the lack of giant humans in any other culture's lore from the period.

Are you kidding? Greek mythology is crawling with giants. So is all of Scandinavian, Germanic and Celtic mythology. The giants are present in different Asian and Hindu mythologies but tend to be more bestial.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:36 am

mvscal wrote:Greek mythology is crawling with giants. So is all of Scandinavian, Germanic and Celtic mythology. The giants are present in different Asian and Hindu mythologies but tend to be more bestial.

None of that is important. The key issue to address is whether they were ON the Earth or IN it.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:51 am

Smackie Chan wrote:
mvscal wrote:Greek mythology is crawling with giants. So is all of Scandinavian, Germanic and Celtic mythology. The giants are present in different Asian and Hindu mythologies but tend to be more bestial.
:cry:
None of that is important. The key issue to address is whether they were he ON the Earth or IN it.

Are you a simpleton Smackie, it was both! Can you not READ? It's whatever the Bible says it is, or how I interpret it at any convenient moment. Whatever works to back up my mythology and belief system. Fact and reason and visual evidence be DAMNED, just like that liar and deviant Jay!

Because I say so!

BECAUSE I SAY SO!!!!!

LOL! ROTF! LMFAO!

...and other tired acronyms, or whatever those things are I'm using repeatedly 'cause I'm lazy, cliched and stupid.

Screw original thought, because thinking for yourself is the Devils work!

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:32 am

Jay wrote:Since we have found literally millions of fossils of innumerable species, where are even one of the remains of these beings? Why haven't we found even one?

We can unearth a single half inch trilobite fossil, or a giant mammoth, yet not one giant humanoid being?

lol

poptart wrote:These (Revelation 12:9, Genesis 6:4) are two important passages - speaking of spiritual entities.
Satan, demons, the giants (or Nephilim).

READ my posts and halt your own rambling narratives.

It'll help ... a lot.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:45 pm

This is either the remains of a dead giant, or the current state of the GOP..

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:11 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:This is either the remains of a dead giant, or the current state of the GOP..

That could be any one of us...

...waiting for you to lay down guitar tracks.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:31 am

poptart wrote: Satan, demons, the giants (or Nephilim)
READ my idiotic, constipated posts and halt your own perfectly sensible narratives.

It'll help ... a lot.

Gee, good comeback Potstart.

Let us know when you actually have the balls to answer a single direct question.

Here is the one, and only one that boils it all down to the basics of your argument from the beginning.

Why has NASA, the United States, China, Russia and every other entity on this planet have lied about a flat Earth, and what is gained by this?

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:35 am

Jay in Phoenix wrote:
Here is the one, and only one that boils it all down to the basics of your argument from the beginning.

Why has NASA, the United States, China, Russia and every other entity on this planet have lied about a flat Earth, and what is gained by this?

I'm not one to go to the "it's too big a conspiracy to cover up" card too quickly, but this does seem like a likely candidate. So I'll drop it here.
Isn't it too big a conspiracy to cover up puptent?

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:03 am

Yes MS, that is the one true question.

Pops coming back with an "I don't know" response, will reveal his fraud and gutless trolling, as this has been from his first post.

Still, we await his long-delayed answer.

So, what is it pops?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:45 pm

Jay wrote:Let us know when you actually have the balls to answer a single direct question.

This is more nonsense from you, Jay.

I said directly and plainly that the Revelation 12:9 and Genesis 6:4 are speaking of spiritual entities.

I can't help it that you, mvscal and Smackie ignored, didn't notice, didn't read (or whatever) what I wrote -- and then went off on narratives about physical giants.

Your point of view is selfish -- demanding answers. lol

In case you haven't noticed, it's sort of poptart v. the world in these threads.
Only MS (mildly) has taken my side of the issues.

So ALL I HAVE DONE for a couple of weeks now is field questions, protests, insults and attacks.
It's simply not possible to answer it all.
And beyond that, most all answers I give don't make people happy or meet with their approval.

Now to what you and MS have asked, I will tell you that you need to know about Admiral Byrd.
So watch Flat Earth Clues #2.

After that, I can more thoroughly explain my hypothesis.

The "conspiracy" to keep this from the people doesn't need to be nearly as large as your imagination thinks, because almost everyone involved in facilitating it think the world is round and revolving around the sun, etc.

It's how everyone, pretty much worldwide, has been indoctrinated since 1st grade.

1+1 = 2 -- and the globe sitting on the teacher's desk is where you live.

Only a very small pct. of your masters are really in the know about the true nature of our world.

I will explain more if you demonstrate to me that you've watched this video.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:28 pm

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:This is either the remains of a dead giant, or the current state of the GOP..

That could be any one of us...

...waiting for you to lay down guitar tracks.

Hey, I'm wrestling with FL 12, Reaper, Kontakt 5, and Rewire, and it's not as easy as you'd think. Apparently they want you to pay for this stuff. Meanwhile, enjoy the feeling of having your mind blown by otherworldly realities exposed right here on earth.

We'll call it GOPithicus...and speculate on its extinction...hmmm...

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:41 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:
Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote: That could be any one of us...

...waiting for you to lay down guitar tracks.
Hey, I'm wrestling with FL 12, Reaper, Kontakt 5, and Rewire, and it's not as easy as you'd think. Apparently they want you to pay for this stuff.

Or you could punch record on your cell phone and have a video up here in 10 minutes.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:27 am

Once again poptart, no smack nor insults, just a simple and straightforward question.

Your reasoning and nobody else's.

Why would all of the aforementioned entities want to conspire to make us believe the Earth is round and not flat?

Still waiting.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:28 am

If you don't care enough to take time to watch the video that I said is needed as a background to understanding where I am coming from, then I'm not going to take time to type out a response to you.

It's not worth my time.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:01 am

snapped tart wrote:understanding where I am coming from...

An Epistle from Wags to the Apostle 'tart, circa the year of our Lord 2015

I've known of you for a long time, a very long time. Consider you a friend, an asset to humanity and message board witnessing in general.

I still have no idea where you are coming from.

Let's review:

You want people to take the Bible seriously, as the Word of God, and consider Jesus Christ as Savior. I'm fine with that, buy most of it myself.

Jesus saying that if you lust after another woman in your heart, who is not your wife, is the same as adultery is tough camel sledding. In 32 years of marriage. I've never physically cheated on my wife. But in my mind... I'm a guilty son of a heathen whore. You ever deal with that problem? Pluck thine left eye out if it offend thy right? Should I have a waxing 'accident' and cut my penis off?

Sorry, I digress.... you don't have to answer that, but I am curious what your (and Goobs) rebuke is.

But what I'm really curious about is on how you insist the Earth is flat (despite all evidence to the contrary). This is consistent with taking the Bible, cover to cover, literally.

Again, I'm fine with and get that.

The problem I have with that approach is that you're defeating the chosen purpose... that of spreading the word that Jesus Christ is indeed The Way, The Truth and The Life. Eternal Life. Avoiding hell (or hell on Earth) sure seems like a good idea, no matter the ultimate alternative.

Methinks you need to refocus on what your mission is here.

Your brother in Christ, Wags Crusaders and his FFL team.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:34 am

poptart wrote:If you don't care enough to take time to watch the video that I said is needed as a background to understanding where I am coming from, then I'm not going to take time to type out a response to you.

It's not worth my time.

So, you're dodging again. Just like the other thread.

"You won't watch the video, so I'm going to pout and whine."

I have asked you for YOUR answer, not someone else's. Your reasoning, your words, your logic.

You started this thing poptart, the answer(s) are on you and you alone.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:44 am

Wags, to a point of your well stated post, it reminds me of a lyric.

"The Lord uses the good ones, the bad ones use the Lord."

Pops has been using the Words for his own personal agenda for a long while now.

Instead of allowing the Word to speak for itself, as it IS different, at least a little bit for each reader to consider, he's insisting on applying them, even twisting them to back up his very skewed and solitary points. This isn't to say he is misquoting, he isn't. It comes down to interpretation and his use of these Words isn't what our Creator intended.

Again, that is just an opinion. I could be wrong.

So could pops, he just doesn't have the humility to admit it.

The bad ones use the Lord after all.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:26 am

Jay in Phoenix wrote:So could pops, he just doesn't have the humility to admit it.

He's convicted by his convictions, as are most of us are. Better to stand for something than nothing at all. I care not about his humility or lack thereof. I care about passion, which dude has in spades.

Sure, a bit of humility wouldn't hurt now and then, but it's not for you or I to decide how that's displayed. I'm quite certain he prays in private, on his knees.

The bad ones use the Lord after all.

I see nothing about 'tart to lead me to believe he's a "bad one" or using his faith for personal gain. Quite the contrary, he gets nothing but derision for his efforts.

Maybe he has martyr syndrome, but whom am I to gauge his motives?

Judge not, lest you be judged.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:02 am

Hitler was pretty damn passionate too, Wags. How did that work out?

Not to make a direct contrast, but passion without balance or said humility, can just be misplaced aggression or hatred.

Passion without reason is just raw emotion, without thought or insight.

Balance Wagon, balance. Yin and yang. Poptart uses his bias to make his arguments. Of course, we can all be guilty of this, however you might be mistaking uncompromising passion for sensibility, when it actually is coming off to most of us as unbridled and unreasoning lunacy.

Just because someone says something with enough conviction, doesn't make it true.

Back your words up with facts and a balance of thought, considering both sides of the equation.

Without that and you are left with a vision using blinders.

That is the poptart way.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:45 am

Wagon wrote:But what I'm really curious about is on how you insist the Earth is flat (despite all evidence to the contrary).

1. When I am out among the people, I never bring the topic of the shape of the earth up, Wagon.

2. The evidence does not point to a round earth, spinning and also rotating around the sun.

3. More importantly, the SCRIPTURE also does not tell us that the earth is round, spinning, and rotating around the sun. In fact, it tells us the OPPOSITE. It's NASA, supposed "science" (which really is not) and your first grade teacher who tells you those things.

4. Wagon, look through my Christians among us thread. I clearly pointed out how the BIBLE instructs us of the shape and nature of our cosmos -- and much of the meat of that is in the FIRST CHAPTER OF THE BIBLE. It seems pretty important.

Look at that thread -- and let's look at this...

Genesis 1:1-18
1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[5] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
[7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[8] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
[9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
[10] And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
[11] And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
[12] And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[13] And the evening and the morning were the third day.
[14] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
[15] And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
[16] And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[17] And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
[18] And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

v. 6 -8 - there is a firmament (and I clearly demonstrated in the other thread that this is a TANGIBLE thing) above us, and above the firmament is water. Further, God called the firmament Heaven.

v. 14 - God placed lights IN the firmament. Sun, moon and stars, IN the firmament (which is tangible) and above which is water.

And as noted in the other thread, there are many multiple Scriptures which only lend themself to the earth being a flat plane.

Also, many multiple Scripture tell us that the Bible not only does not move, it never will move.

The sun, moon and stars move around us. We are a special creation, not a random rock zipping through space among billions of other rocks. lol

The idea that the earth is round, spinning, and orbiting the sun -- is MAN MADE. It surely is not Scriptural.

The Word of God is the authority.