Fracking Runs Into A Wall (and dies)

[LTS TRN 2]

Go scream into a bucket, you tedious hack.



And if you could tell the difference between a minor four and a major, you might actually lay claim to being a musician.

[LTS TRN 2]

No, you shit the bed. You couldn't get the tune, Villanova Junction at all. You automatically droned your single line boring lead melody into a minor four--ala The Thrill Is Gone--both times. But...no one asked you to play it. No one, least of all me, gives a shit as to your metal-head blatherings. I don't care about your tedious playground "competition" bullshit.

The subject here is fracking--its dreadful effects and it s fortunate collapse as per the glorious basterd suicide of its primary champion. And the truth of our being swindled for a hundred years by these slimy oil industry corporations and the bankers who've aided and abetted them the whole way. It's about Tesla and the possibilities of actual radical positive change.

Go away..you ankle biting punk. Get a stomach stapling, ingest a tape worm--fuck it, just shoot yourself and save some time.

[Moby Dick]

Get all your information from the Mockumentary Gasland much?


you don't know the first thing about fracking ...causing earthquakes??

The avg depth of a well is only about 9,000 ft deep. That's about where it kicks off to the horizontal another (on the DEEP wells) 12-15k feet. again..the DEPTH of this 'avg' well is about 9,000 ft. The "pay zone" is at MOST 200 ft thick. about 100 ft on either side of where the perfs are. Pay Zone being where the sand and water get pumped in to. Each stage or "zone" is pumped with about 10,000 bbls or roughly 420k gallons of a water/slurry of sand mixture...out of that..less than 1% is chemical that's pumped along with it, most of which all gets flowed back ANYHOW.

here's a little math.

4×10*22 J - estimated total energy released by the magnitude 9.1–9.3 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake

3.9×10*22 J - estimated energy contained in the world's fossil fuel reserves as of 2010

2.1×10*17 J - yield of the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever tested (50 megatons)

30,000,000 hydraulic horsepower from Frac pumps equals 2.2 X 10* J.

It is impossible for hydraulic fracturing to create an earthquake. It would take every pump truck on earth X 10 pumping down a well bore to even get 1/10th the energy to create a very small earthquake.



get the fuck out of here with your bullshit

[Mikey]

I don't claim to be current on the science or research on fracking as the "cause" of earthquakes, but you obviously didn't understand your own C&P because your "math" is partly incomplete and partly pure bullshit:

1. You posted the energy released by one of the largest earthquakes of the 20th century ( estimated 9.1 to 9.3, 4 x 10^22 J).

OK


2. You posted "30,000,000 hydraulic HP from frac pumps equals 2.2 x 10* J."

a. I assume this is an estimate of "all pump trucks on earth?"

b. You conveniently left out the exponent, so what are you claiming here?

c. HP is a measure of power. J (joules) is a measure of energy, which is power x time. So this is in no way a valid conversion.
1 horsepower (international) = 2,684,519.532 joule/hour
30,000,000 HP = 8.05 x 10^13 joule/hour


3. You posted: "It is impossible for hydraulic fracturing to create an earthquake. It would take every pump truck on earth X 10 pumping down a well bore to even get 1/10th the energy to create a very small earthquake."

a. The Richter scale is a base 10 logarithmic scale, expressing the amplitude of the seismic waves produced by a quake: 1.0 points on the Richter scale represents a tenfold increase in the wave amplitude. However, energy is not the same as wave amplitude: 1.0 points on the Richter scale corresponds to a factor of 31.6 in the amount of energy released.

b. You compared (or attempted to compare) the energy used by fracking pumps to the energy released by a "very small earthquake" but didn't post the energy of a small quake. Going from a 9.3 to a 3.3 (pretty small but maybe not "very small") is a factor of 31.6^6 (995,686,217.81), or roughly 10^9. So, the energy released by a 3.3 quake would be around 4 x 10^13 J, a small fraction of the Indian Ocean quake.

c. If you continue with the math, you'll find that the POWER released by a quake is still several orders of magnitude greater than "all the pumps." But this is where your logical bullshit is piled the deepest. The amount of power or energy needed to TRIGGER an earthquake is not the same thing as the amount of power or energy RELEASED by an earthquake.

For those of you who are not particularly deep thinkers, look at it this way. Say you have a mid sized car parked on the top of a 50 story building. Put the transmission into neutral, take off the brake, and push it over the edge. Do you think that the energy released by the car hitting the ground is in any measurable way related to the energy needed to push it over the edge?

Google: Kinetic energy vs. potential energy


So, would you care to revisit the subject or just keep drinking the industry Koolaid?

[LTS TRN 2]

And let's not forget the very simple math that Oklahoma has gone from two 3.0 quakes a year to two a day. And that adds up to more earthquakes in the panhandle state than in all of the continental U.S. combined.

But thanks, "Moby Dick," I'm sure the "Americans For Prosperity" would give you a nice pat on the head.

[Mikey]

And let's not forget the very simple math that Oklahoma has gone from two 3.0 quakes a year to two a day. And that adds up to more earthquakes in the panhandle state than in all of the continental U.S. combined.

That's mostly caused by an increase in illegal immigrants.

[smackaholic]

And let's not forget the very simple math that Oklahoma has gone from two 3.0 quakes a year to two a day. And that adds up to more earthquakes in the panhandle state than in all of the continental U.S. combined.

But thanks, "Moby Dick," I'm sure the "Americans For Prosperity" would give you a nice pat on the head.

I am going to go out and a limb here and admit that you might be right about the frequency of these "quakes". Why are we not seeing the carnage from them? Oh, yeah, that's right, because there is none. I suspect that Macon has 3.0 quakes every time spray eats Mexican. Who gives a fukk. 3.0 quakes cause no damage and it stands to reason that frequent micro quakes, if anything, keep the occasional big quake from happening.

[LTS TRN 2]

First, smaller quakes do not relieve the tension, as it were, for a big quake. Second, there's been lots of damage in Oklahoma..

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/0 ... s-lawsuit/
http://kfor.com/2016/01/25/are-earthqua ... a-bridges/


Third, they're not just 3.0s, but 5.0s as well.

Come on in and sit a spell..er.


Must be one of those New Deal roads...grrr..


Oh, that's not a quake, it's just gravy guzzler fucking the vaseline-filled slot in his mattress...again...


Going out of business sale!

[Mikey]

Seriously though it's Oklahoma. Who the fuck cares?

Mess around in my neighborhood you'll see a man gettin' mean.

[smackaholic]

Seriously though it's Oklahoma. Who the fuck cares?

Mess around in my neighborhood you'll see a man gettin' mean.

There's no need for frackers to fukk with you left coasters, g0d's been doing a good job of that over the years.

As for the picks el kabong posted, looks like sinkholes to me. Could sink holes be caused by fracking? I suspect there's a good chance they could. But there are all sorts of places that have been having sinkholes for years. Fortunately, I don't live in one of those places. I think they are more common where you have large amounts of limestone bedrock.....and illegals, as mikey pointed out.

[smackaholic]

I think the next guitar battle between spray and el kabong should be the Tesla song of their choice, seeing as EK has such a hard on for Tesla.

[LTS TRN 2]

looks like sinkholes to me. Could sink holes be caused by fracking? I suspect there's a good chance they could. But there are all sorts of places that have been having sinkholes for years. Fortunately, I don't live in one of those places. I think they are more common where you have large amounts of limestone bedrock.....and illegals, as mikey pointed out.

No, the damage in no way resembles sinkholes, and no one has suggested any sinkholes. However, faced with suddenly being the earthquake center of the planet, the state officials in Oklahoma have actually faced reality and taken a bit of responsible action.

Oklahoma officials on Monday told oil and gas producers to dramatically scale back underground disposal of wastewater that has led to a dramatic surge in the number and intensity of earthquakes.

The new restrictions, imposed by the Oklahoma Corporation Commission, will require drillers to cut the amount of underground-injected wastewater by 40 percent from the peak in 2014. The move represents a shift in strategy for the state, which had initially targeted individual wells linked to seismic activity, said Matt Skinner, a spokesman for the commission.

I don't think we can expect Kansas to follow suit any time soon, what with the disastrous Tea Bagger guvnor and so forth...

[Mikey]

Oklahomans are always the first to fall for this kind of anti-business eco-fascist pseudoscience.

[LTS TRN 2]

Oh no Mikey, the quakes are great for business--contractors and construction companies are booked solid doing repairs and demolitions of wracked and cracked houses and buildings, and insurance companies are excited at the new area of quake insurance in the panhandle state. And of course the various squads of Koch trolls in shill groups like Americans For Prosperity are now doing extra shifts in promoting the party line of "anti-regulation" and so forth. It's go, go, go. C'mon look on the bright side.

[Dinsdale]

Congrats to Moby Dick. Up until now, I didn't believe it possible to sound even more clueless about basic science shit that LTS.

But you Sir, just pulled it off in an apparent effortless fashion.

Mikey explained it pretty well.

You brought up the kinetic energy involved in the act of fracking (which may or may not be correct, but a moot point).

But I see you made no mention of the potential energy of a tectonic plate that weighs somewhere around 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000^3956 tons.

You might wanna recheck your maths.

[LTS TRN 2]

Wait a minute, Dins, you set the record for ass-backwards scientificatin' in your ludicrous reversal of understanding acidification of the oceans. Sure, "moby Dick" is a total clown--probably a fake, or "troll"--and no one pretends to believe him or take his idiocy seriously.

As for fracking and the disastrous effects of pumping billions of gallons of toxic water into the ground, well, you've got yer hands full defending that one, so roll up your sleeves and attempt, however futile it might seem, to actually push your head up into your ass.

[LTS TRN 2]

short attorney, short attorney..uh, I need a..change...





WW

[LTS TRN 2]

What is it about walking into a propeller that you seem to seek?


some gravy, please...just a cup'll do