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Screw_Michigan wrote:

88 wrote: And yet, we haven’t grounded all the cars.

It is a political choice for society to tolerate 40,000 deaths annually to car crashes. We could reduce this figure, but we chose not to.

The biggest worry involves possibly inaccurate signals from key flight instruments. Many pilots with less experience depend heavily on automatic systems to help them fly planes.

Dinsdale wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:

The Seer wrote: Not sure how high of a bar that sets.

Seer checks in with a racist balst, but never forget: Democrats are the REAL racists.

Goodness, what a Virtue Signaler you are.

So, if I make a claim that Ethiopia doesn't have the same quality of health care, nor the adherence to human rights that the USA has, does that make me "racist

88 wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:40,000 people die in car crashes annually

And yet, we haven’t grounded all the cars.

Joe in PB wrote:

88 wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:40,000 people die in car crashes annually

And yet, we haven’t grounded all the cars...

.....or prohibited phones in automobiles. I'm sure distracted or drunk drivers account for most of those killed.

Screw_Michigan wrote:TRUMPalmighty

Screw_Michigan wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:car-related violence

Besides the miserable tard in Charlottesville, care to cite another instance? Since it's at a "high level," you shouldn't struggle with this, right?

40,000 people die in car crashes annually

Dinsdale wrote: And there's a reason we refer to them as "accidents."

Screw_Michigan wrote:

Dinsdale wrote: And there's a reason we refer to them as "accidents."

I laffed

88 wrote: We'll know soon enough.

Dinsdale wrote: I don't get the joke. What does "accident" mean in Newspeak?

Dinsdale wrote:Most people get in a car accident intentionally?

Dinsdale wrote:Newspeak.

Left Seater wrote:So let’s ignore logic and the statistics of safely operated flights here in the states and instead operate on emotion.

How liberal of you Trump. You screwed this up.

Mikey wrote:Bought a small amount of Boeing stock this morning. It was at $446 at the beginning of the month and has dropped to $372 today, about 17% off from its peak. Seems like a pretty good opportunity.

Mikey wrote:Bought a small amount of Boeing stock this morning. It was at $446 at the beginning of the month and has dropped to $372 today, about 17% off from its peak. Seems like a pretty good opportunity.

Dinsdale wrote:
And there's a reason we refer to them as "accidents."

Yet another example of your Newspeak. This board works better if we all agree to speak English -- you should agree to it, as well.

Boeing executives sat down last November with pilots at the Allied Pilots Association’s low-slung brick headquarters in Fort Worth.

Tensions were running high. One of Boeing’s new jets — hailed by the company as an even more reliable version of Boeing’s stalwart 737 — had crashed into the ocean off Indonesia shortly after takeoff, killing all 189 people on board the flight operated by Lion Air.

After the crash, Boeing issued a bulletin disclosing that this line of planes, known as the 737 Max 8, was equipped with a new type of software as part of the plane’s automated functions. Some pilots were furious that they were not told about the new software when the plane was unveiled.

Dennis Tajer, a 737 captain who attended the meeting with Boeing executives, recalled, “They said, ‘Look, we didn’t include it because we have a lot of people flying on this and we didn’t want to inundate you with information.’ ”

“I’m certain I did say, ‘Well that’s not acceptable,’ ” said Tajer, a leader in the association representing American Airlines pilots.

A Boeing spokesman said the company disputes that any of its executives made that statement.

Left Seater wrote:Nope no airline or Boeing stock. Further I don’t fly for Netjets or any of those open to public booking so none of this will effect me.

I just see this as an emotional response. Plenty of Congressional types making statements saying the grounding is justified, but can’t express why a grounding is warranted when pressed on follow up.

So you got your grounding Screwy, but what do you do about the fallout? Should American, Southwest and United get to defer loan payments on these planes while they are grounded? If so what, relief do the banks get? What about your grandmother’s trip to Hawaii that isn’t going to happen now? Any relief for her? What about all the lost wages for flight attendants who now have more employees than the schedule calls for? You were up in arms about lost wages during the government shutdown, what say you here?

Finally and most likely, what happens if after the crash investigations it is found the plane had no issues and training or maintenance is at fault? How do you compensate the airlines for their loss or Boeing for their reputation hit?

Please fill us in on these things. Your emotion won out, now you have to deal with the consequences.

88 wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:40,000 people die in car crashes annually

And yet, we haven’t grounded all the cars.

Left Seater wrote:What are the Max’s issues?

Left Seater wrote:What are the Max’s issues?

Screw_Michigan wrote:Fair takes. I will reply later with more details.

Did you even read the Post story I linked?

Mikey wrote:
How many flying cars have you seen lately?

Screw_Michigan wrote:Fair takes. I will reply later with more details.

Pilot Who Hitched a Ride Saved Lion Air 737 Day Before Deadly Crash

As the Lion Air crew fought to control their diving Boeing Co. 737 Max 8, they got help from an unexpected source: an off-duty pilot who happened to be riding in the cockpit.

That extra pilot, who was seated in the cockpit jumpseat, correctly diagnosed the problem and told the crew how to disable a malfunctioning flight-control system and save the plane, according to two people familiar with Indonesia’s investigation.

The next day, under command of a different crew facing what investigators said was an identical malfunction, the jetliner crashed into the Java Sea killing all 189 aboard.

The previously undisclosed detail on the earlier Lion Air flight represents a new clue in the mystery of how some 737 Max pilots faced with the malfunction have been able to avert disaster while the others lost control of their planes and crashed. The presence of a third pilot in the cockpit wasn’t contained in Indonesia’s National Transportation Safety Committee’s Nov. 28 report on the crash and hasn’t previously been reported.

The so-called dead-head pilot on the earlier flight from Bali to Jakarta told the crew to cut power to the motor driving the nose down, according to the people familiar, part of a checklist that all pilots are required to memorize.

“All the data and information that we have on the flight and the aircraft have been submitted to the Indonesian NTSC. We can’t provide additional comment at this stage due the ongoing investigation on the accident,” Lion Air spokesman Danang Prihantoro said by phone.

The Indonesia safety committee report said the plane had had multiple failures on previous flights and hadn’t been properly repaired.

Representatives for Boeing and the Indonesian safety committee declined to comment on the earlier flight. Boeing shares were unchanged at $374.57 in pre-market trading Wednesday in New York.

Steve Miletich By Steve Miletich
Seattle Times staff reporter
The FBI has joined the criminal investigation into the certification of the Boeing 737 MAX, lending its considerable resources to an inquiry already being conducted by U.S. Department of Transportation agents, according to people familiar with the matter.

The federal grand jury investigation, based in Washington, D.C., is looking into the certification process that approved the safety of the new Boeing plane, two of which have crashed since October.

The FBI’s Seattle field office lies in proximity to Boeing’s 737 manufacturing plant in Renton, as well as nearby offices of Boeing and Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) officials involved in the certification of the plane.

The investigation, which is being overseen by the U.S. Justice Department’s criminal division and carried out by the Transportation Department’s Inspector General, began in response to information obtained after a Lion Air 737 MAX 8 crashed shortly after takeoff from Jakarta on Oct. 29, killing 189 people, Bloomberg reported earlier this week, citing an unnamed source.

It has widened since then, with the grand jury issuing a subpoena on March 11 for information from someone involved in the plane’s development, one day after the crash of an Ethiopian Airlines 737 MAX 8 near Addis Ababa that killed 157 people, The Associated Press reported this week.

The FBI’s support role was described by people on condition of anonymity because of the confidential nature of the investigation.