EAP wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:37 pm
Our brave men and women are the antidote to the aggressors.
Yes. It's a good thing you checked Noriega's unbound "aggression"...
Who knows how far the price of hats would have gone.
Well, you make a valid point.
That was the barry Obama and Hillary show.
Also,
As secretary of state, she was warned multiple times about Benghazi by British contractors.
The British consulate shut down a few weeks prior.
Shows you what a complete fool hillary was as secretary of state.
Multiple warnings and she was asleep at the wheel.
Barry was playing golf, which he sucks at by the way.
Zero greens in regulation and multiple mulligans.
He should've stuck to basketball.
Re: Pardoning of "war criminals".
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:18 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
EAP wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:48 am
Shows you what a complete fool hillary was as secretary of state.
Her goal was to set fire to Libya and destabilize the region.
Holly Golightly wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:45 pm
Trump has been the GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER for the jewish people.
Lol, get real.
You are too stupid to save.
K
Y
S
Re: Pardoning of "war criminals".
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:52 am
by mvscal
Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:59 pm
No. It's a scenario where a subordinate is ordered to do something in direct conflict with national interests, with the understanding that allies will die but more allies will die if the order isn't followed. The subordinate is a sacrificial lamb.
He wasn't ordered to do anything. He wandered away from his post in the middle of the night and got captured. It doesn't even matter what he was trying to do. This might come as a surprise, but national interests aren't determined at the E-3 level.
Re: Pardoning of "war criminals".
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:02 am
by smackaholic
Hell, they aren’t even decided at the O-5 level. Someone ought to tell Mr Vindeman that.
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Re: Pardoning of
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:12 am
by mvscal
smackaholic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:02 am
Hell, they aren’t even decided at the O-5 level. Someone ought to tell Mr Vindeman that.
Well...shit.
Re: Pardoning of "war criminals".
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:12 am
by BSmack
smackaholic wrote:Hell, they aren’t even decided at the O-5 level. Someone ought to tell Mr Vindeman that.
smackaholic wrote:Hell, they aren’t even decided at the O-5 level. Someone ought to tell Mr Vindeman that.
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Ollie North was O-5.
Deeked.
At least O-5 is high enough on the food chain to have influence on it in certain circumstances. In any event, both North and Vindecuck were just following orders.
Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:30 am
Yes. It's a good thing you checked Noriega's unbound "aggression"...
Who knows how far the price of hats would have gone.
Well, you make a valid point.
That was the barry Obama and Hillary show.
Holly Golightly wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:45 pm
One would think that as a Canadian Jew that Schlomart would be 100 percent behind Trump.
So you Love Trump!
I was at Dachau concentration camp....I saw the ovens.
The new democrat party hates the jews....just look to Omar, AOC, the cunt from michigan...they all want to exterminate the jews.....
So why are you supporting the democrats, the party that wants to murder all the jews?
Get on the Trump Train......
See the light Marty...See the light!
Holly,
You are 100% correct!!
Today's Democrat socialist party is government control just like the nazi socialists were.
They control the press just like the nazi socialists did.
They despise the jews just like the nazi socialists despise the Jews.
Talib and Omar are extremists.
When you realize how stupid the "squad" is, you can understand why independent voters are running away from their party.
Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:30 am
Yes. It's a good thing you checked Noriega's unbound "aggression"...
Who knows how far the price of hats would have gone.
Well, you make a valid point.
That was the barry Obama and Hillary show.
Ohhhhhkay.
Fucking trolls can't even get a simple Presidential time frame right.
Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:59 pm
No. It's a scenario where a subordinate is ordered to do something in direct conflict with national interests, with the understanding that allies will die but more allies will die if the order isn't followed. The subordinate is a sacrificial lamb.
He wasn't ordered to do anything. He wandered away from his post in the middle of the night and got captured. It doesn't even matter what he was trying to do. This might come as a surprise, but national interests aren't determined at the E-3 level.
It matters, if he was encouraged (or outright ordered) to do so. If he wasn't, he wasn't. Following orders is drilled into enlisted. Why would he wander away from safety, in hostile territory?
Re: Pardoning of "war criminals".
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:44 pm
by Innocent Bystander
Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:11 am
"Stanley holds penis liberally."
Well, you make a valid point.
That was the barry Obama and Hillary show.
Ohhhhhkay.
Fucking trolls can't even get a simple Presidential time frame right.
Oops, my bad. For some reason unbeknownst to me, I had Gaddafi on my mind instead of the other guy.
Re: Pardoning of "war criminals".
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:35 pm
by mvscal
Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:43 pm
It matters, if he was encouraged (or outright ordered) to do so. If he wasn't, he wasn't. Following orders is drilled into enlisted. Why would he wander away from safety, in hostile territory?
Ordered to do what? He left all of his secured items behind (weapons, NVG, SIGINT items etc) and toddled off with a knife, a map and a compass. He wasn't some highly trained Delta Force trooper. He was a slapnuts PFC who washed out of Coast Guard training and ended up in the Army.
Occam's razor says that he wasn't wrapped very tight to begin with and, when you subject somebody like that to the enormous psychological pressure of sustained combat operations in an isolated outpost, who that hell knows what's rattling around in his noodle?
As far as safety is concerned, everything I've read indicated that he wasn't feeling very fucking safe. He thought the guys in his unit were total fuck ups who were going to get everybody killed. The fact that was able to leave the perimeter in the middle of the night suggests to me that there might be something to his complaint. He was known to have attempted to cultivate friendly relations with the local village. Maybe he had a piece on the side? Maybe it was a honeypot trap? Maybe he liked his odds better outside the perimeter than inside it in the event that the shit hit the fan.
In any event, he had some kind plan however garbled and idiotic it might have been. In leaving behind his secured items, he took a deliberate step to minimize his legal jeopardy should he be arrested by US forces. You can certainly make a better case for his execution than his pardon. Desertion in combat operations is one of the most serious crimes against the good order and discipline of the force and death is an available sentencing option.
Re: Pardoning of "war criminals".
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:36 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
mvscal wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:35 pm
He was known to have attempted to cultivate friendly relations with the local village.
He might have stepped out to pick up a "bag" from some local dealer...perhaps an unwise scheme to smuggle h. It happens, I guess.
