He didn’t say he wanted on the ground right now. He said not critical and under control.
So you can lie all you want. You can also keep arguing your false dichotomy between crash and pollution raining down on a city but that is also a lie.
From what we know the dump was unwarranted, just like BrokenPsyche said it was when he proposed the apology tour.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:45 am
by Left Seater
Why are y’all trying to reason with the midget. He knows everything and has never been wrong. Clearly he knows the max landing weight for a 777-200 and also what the weight was for Delta 89.
There was no emergency so since the pilot didn’t cancel his emergency call it is pilot error.
In the meantime rational adults will wait for more info before casting judgement.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:01 am
by Derron
Papa Willie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:44 am
Midget - you have to be trolling, because I can't actually believe that you're this fucking stupid.
He is trolling. He likes being called all these names like stupid fuck, cocksucker, mother fucker, dick sucker, it gets his freak on so he can go to the can, jerk his tiny dick and then come back to troll some more. That is his life. Got to maintain that death grip on the Board Bitch title.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:36 am
by Kierland
Left Seater wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:45 am
Why are y’all trying to reason with the midget. He knows everything and has never been wrong. Clearly he knows the max landing weight for a 777-200 and also what the weight was for Delta 89.
There was no emergency so since the pilot didn’t cancel his emergency call it is pilot error.
In the meantime rational adults will wait for more info before casting judgement.
I know what I heard which was “not critical” What part of that is confusing you? As far as “casting judgement” I clearly said, as of now and that new evidence would change my mind. Do you even know how to read? And how have you not been “casting judgement”? You said they should go on an apology tour. You really are a fat stupid fuck.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:09 am
by smackaholic
Papa Willie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:44 am
Midget - you have to be trolling, because I can't actually believe that you're this fucking stupid.
You new around here, ain't cha?
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:58 am
by smackaholic
Just watched the idiot teleprompter reader comment about the conversation between the pilot and ATC. He notes that the pilot vents fuel after telling ATC he did not need a vector to a place where he could properly vent.
Think about that for a moment. You are flying a wounded bird. You got one thing on your mind. Get it down, RIGHT FUKKING NOW!!!!!!
As a buddy of mine who is a pilot said, "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate".
He was a little busy and preoccupied, so he didn't bother telling ATC why he was a fukking moron for even asking about sending him out to the desert for a fuel dump.
He needed one thing from ATC, a clear runway. He got it. Everyone lived. A few balck kids got miosturized. Prolly helps with ashy skin, anyhow.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:13 pm
by Kierland
So you are stupid AND racist. How surprising.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:26 pm
by smackaholic
Stupid and racist?
Good lord, you are one broke down one trick pony.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:48 pm
by Kierland
You are stupid because the evidence shows you are wrong and yet you cling to your stupid take.
You are a racist because of the last statement about the kids that got gassed.
You don’t get to blame me because you are both, I’m just the messenger you stupid racist fuck.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:27 pm
by Left Seater
Here is one of the better videos of the fuel dump.
I believe the dump rate for the 777-200LR is approx. 2600kg per minute. 2600kg is 5732lbs. So 5732lbs per minute dump rate. Assuming they dumped fuel for 15 minutes they knocked about 86,000lbs off of their landing weight. There is no doubt even with this dumping they still landed over weight.
The FAA is investigating the dump and will weigh in at some point. Delta isn't saying anything.
But it is good to know this wasn't an emergency.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:04 pm
by Kierland
Papa Willie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:02 pm
Lil' midget's not intelligent enough to figure this out. By default - this makes everybody else a racist... :doh:
And you are not smart enough to figure out that that is all Bullshit according to the fucking pilot. So you can keep saying it but that doesn’t make it true. He said not critical. Not me.
As far as the racist angle, you guys are racist because of what you say about the “illegals” and “blacks” and whatnot that got sprayed.
Fat
Stupid
Racist
Tard
But at least you are not Yellow, for now.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:06 pm
by Kierland
Left Seater wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:27 pm
But it is good to know this wasn't an emergency.
It wasn’t critical. Don’t you stupid fucks have a scale for this?
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:07 pm
by Kierland
Papa Willie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:32 pm
Regardless, the pilots, Boeing, and even the plane itself were racists.
I never said that. That is just you lying. Again.
Fat
Stupid
Lying
Inbred
Fuck
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:05 pm
by Kierland
Again
That is just you being a fat melting tard
It has nothing to do with the topic at hand
You are good at Claiming Bode just not good at actually attaining it
Flail on
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:48 pm
by Kierland
Kierland wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:05 pm
Again
That is just you being a fat melting tard
It has nothing to do with the topic at hand
You are good at Claiming Bode just not good at actually attaining it
Flail on
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:49 pm
by Kierland
Papa Willie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:27 pm
Please leave.
Make up your fucking mind you gelatinous retard.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:21 am
by Kierland
Kierland wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:05 pm
Again
That is just you being a fat melting tard
It has nothing to do with the topic at hand
You are good at Claiming Bode just not good at actually attaining it
Flail on
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:03 am
by Kierland
Nice white flag you far melting moron.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:05 am
by Kierland
Left Seater wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:27 pm There is no doubt even with this dumping they still landed over weight.
Kierland wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:03 am
Nice white flag you far melting moron.
Oh - but repeating the same post wasn't?
No it wasn’t because you didn’t address the topic at hand in your intervening post. Do you even know English and how it works?
But we all know you can’t stay on topic and will invariably devolve into nothing but bullshit.
You are incapable of rational thought.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:48 am
by Kierland
Left Seater wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:41 am
According to the googles there is a 2nd h in that word meaning sister fucker.
Bhenchod
Nice white flag you fat fucking klepto.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:21 am
by Kierland
Because your fat ass said so.
“Not critical”
And according to the vid I posted, from a guy who flies these things, the only thing that was overweight is you.
But claim Bode again, it’s your only move, that and bouncing people on and off ignore.
Kierland wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:21 am
Because your fat ass said so.
“Not critical”
And according to the vid I posted, from a guy who flies these things, the only thing that was overweight is you.
But claim Bode again, it’s your only move, that and bouncing people on and off ignore.
Everyone on this fucking message board has BODE on you, Benchoding Soy Boy. You’re just too fucking stupid to see it.
Oh well - you’re cancelled again. It was fun taking a shit on your tiny face, but you’re far too inferior and repetitious to suit me.
Get fucked and perish in a condom accident...
Fat
Yellow
Inbred
Melting
Tard
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:56 pm
by smackaholic
I watched that pilot's video.
Everything he says is true, however, he leaves out one small possibility, which Lefty has already said is certainly a concern.
What if the other engine shits the bed?
Is it likely?
No.
Neither was the other one going out.
He mentions that the pilots were able to recover power to the dud engine. He leaves out that it had a second stall.
That motor definitely had a problem.
Did it eat a bird during climb out?
Who knows?
The pilots were in emergency mode, put it down as fast as possible. They had no interest in going on a fuel dump run. They did have an interest in optimizing conditions for landing, even if it means a few folks on the ground have to take a shower or wash their car afterwards. He says the amount of fuel they were able to dump was inconsequential.
The basic laws of physics say other wise. Every pound they shed made that wounded bird more airworthy.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:18 pm
by Kierland
They said they didn’t need to dump so why do you say they did?
Face it, they fucked up and now you are doing everything you can to cover for them.
You are a tard.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:17 pm
by smackaholic
If you go back and listen to the tape, you will find that he said he didn’t need a vector to the neighborhood fuel dump.
This is different from saying he didn’t need to dump. He decided that making a beeline for the runway and dumping what he could on the way would be his best course of action to be able to watch assholes like you second guess him in the news the next day. They realized they were not following standard fuel dump protocol, but it wasn’t important at the moment. Getting back to the gate and not becoming a fireball was the priority.
They accomplished theirobjective.
Rack them.
And if you think my view on this has anything to do with bowing down to corporate masters like a good neocon lapdog, you’d be mistaken.
Delta is responsible for this. They are on the hook for any clean up costs. They should and I am sure will pay a modest amount of cash to anyone that took a jet-A shower.
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Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:32 pm
by Kierland
“Ok so you don’t need to hold to dump fuel or anything like that?”
“Negative.”
He doesn’t get to do whatever he wants in the off chance he might crash. He didn’t need to dump fuel because he wasn’t Critical. Again what did the video say about that plane landing heavy? I get it, you hate facts and blacks.
“Or anything like that”
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:47 pm
by smackaholic
Look at the first half of that statement, you amazingly stupid POS.
He did not need to hold.....for anything.
He needed to get it on the fukking deck....in one piece.
He did.
Mission accomplished.
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Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:33 pm
by Left Seater
Holic,
The tiny hospital ER waiting room lawyer is taking one sentence out of many and trying to build his case on that alone. It is what these clowns do.
Look at more than just the single line he wants to quote.
After the pilots declare an emergency the audio is as follows:
ATC: Roger I am going to need fuel onboard and souls. And amend your altitude, maintain 8000, expect left vectors back to Los Angeles.
This should be self explanatory. ATC told them to stop climbing if they hadn't already and to maintain 8000. ATC also let them know that they should be expecting left hand turns to return to LAX.
ATC: bring you back to LAX immediately or do you need to hold to burn fuel. You tell me what you need to do!
Again quite self explanatory. ATC is asking the pilot what he wants to do. Never mind the tiny ambulance chaser claiming the pilots don't get to do whatever they want.
Pilot Delta 89: We're gonna come back to LAX. We're not critical. We'll gonna slow to 280 knots and why don't you put us on a downwind at 8000 and keep us out of the terrain. And then we will return to LAX.
Now the pilot dictates to ATC what he wants to do. He dictates the speed they are going to fly. He tells them he wants to fly a downwind leg at their current altitude. He also wants ATC to keep them off of/away from any mountains. Then once they are clear of that they will right turn back to LAX.
ATC: Ok, so you don't need to hold to dump fuel or anything like that?
Clearly the controller is concerned about weight and landing at that weight which is totally due to fuel at this point.
Pilot Delta 89: Negative. We'll be requesting runway 25R.
Immediately the pilot responds negative to the request to hold somewhere. He clearly wants to return to LAX as soon as possible. He also requests a specific runway. 25R is the longest at LAX at almost 13000 feet. It is also on the south side of the airport which is on the opposite side of the airport from where they are currently. This is against the normal arrival flow. But with the emergency declaration he can dictate what he wants to do. Notice he has already focused on the return and has determined what runway is the longest for them.
ATC: Delta 89 heavy, turn right heading 100, vectors for ILS 25R.
This is the ATC controller telling Delta to make a right turn to heading 100 and that they will be set up to land on runway 25R. Notice this right turn is not what the controller first said. He initially said to expect left vectors back to LAX. But once the pilot said here is what I want, ATC followed along.
Jailhouse lawyer is focusing everything he has on 2 seconds of audio, "we're not critical." This doesn't mean what he is trying to sell. But again, it is what ambulance chasers will do when they think they have something. Ignore, deflect, and focus on a three word phrase, and nothing else.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:42 am
by Kierland
You can blather on all you want. Nothing you said explains why he dumped fuel on LA. He said he didn’t need to when he was at 8k so why would he need to at 3? And yes he doesn’t get to do whatever he wants. Not when he has an engine and 200 extra knots of airspeed.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:43 am
by Kierland
smackaholic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:47 pm
Look at the first half of that statement, you amazingly stupid POS.
He did not need to hold.....for anything.
He needed to get it on the fukking deck....in one piece.
He did.
Mission accomplished.
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Or anything not for anything.
He didn’t need to dump at 8k why did he need to at 3?
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:55 am
by Derron
Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:04 pm
What's a condom accident?
The reason you are alive on this earth.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:13 am
by Derron
Kierland wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:42 am
Y And yes he doesn’t get to do whatever he wants. Not when he has an engine and 200 extra knots of airspeed.
You keep up confirming your stupidity and you will keep getting your balls handed to you every time you post. Not that you will have an explanation as to just what the fuck does "200 extra knots of airspeed" mean. Since the landing speed of a 777 is 150 knots and they were on final approach probably a bit hotter than that, there was NO extra airspeed, whatever the fuck that means.
Boeing 777 landing
For the Boeing 777–300ER, the approach speed is about 150 knots (172 mph; 277 km/h)
smackaholic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:47 pm
Look at the first half of that statement, you amazingly stupid POS.
He did not need to hold.....for anything.
He needed to get it on the fukking deck....in one piece.
He did.
Mission accomplished.
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Or anything not for anything.
He didn’t need to dump at 8k why did he need to at 3?
Why did he need to?
Because it was his fukking aircraft. He decided that a fuel vent was prudent so he did it. And one more time, he was very heavy and on one leg. Any fuel dump would improve the chances of a safe landing.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:24 am
by Left Seater
Tiny ambulance chaser can’t understand wanting vectors over the ocean to dump fuel and wanting to get on the ground ASAP and dumping fuel along the way.
It is sad that he can’t see the forest for the trees but he chooses his own ignorance.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:48 am
by Kierland
Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:24 am
Tiny ambulance chaser can’t understand wanting vectors over the ocean to dump fuel and wanting to get on the ground ASAP and dumping fuel along the way.
It is sad that he can’t see the forest for the trees but he chooses his own ignorance.
I understand just fine. He said he didn’t need to dump at 8k but at 3k he did need to dump? What changed?
According to a guy who actually flies these things, you are an idiot if you think this plane can’t land heavy.
Re: At Least 20 California Children Injured
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:15 pm
by smackaholic
Fukkk, let me try this one more time. Maybe if I speak slow and loud, you'll hear it.
THE PILOT DID NOT SAY HE DIDN'T NEED TO DUMP.
HE SAID HE DIDN'T NEED A VECTOR TO DUMP.
You do understand the difference, right?
He was not interested in keeping that crate in the air any longer than he needed to, for reasons that should be obvious to anyone with the neural activity required to maintain basic life support.
