The Rod of God -- (!) Pages 33 and 34 (!)

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:49 am

Part II - for Jay.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him

Satan and demons infest the earth, and infest people.

Jesus said it would be as the days of Noah near the end. Matthew 24:37

In the days of Noah...

Genesis 6:4-5
[4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
[5] And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

There are demon-possessed people who are giants.
People of tremendous stature, power, influence.
Mighty men.
Men of renown.

Demon-possessed people who have tremendous spiritual power.
They have satan's power and they simply run roughshod over sleeping sheeple, who have NO spiritual power at all.

It's why people are overwhelmingly so stupid as to believe that with 1960's tech, little cans were sent up to the moon and back six times.
It's completely ludicrous on it's face, yet people are asleep.
They buy something which is so totally nonsensical.
They are spiritually sleeping and are spiritually overpowered.

The demonic ones laff.
The giants who occupy high places in organizations worldwide.

They are laffing at you.
Trust me.

Of course there is a way not to be laffed at.
There is a way to be FEARED, as poptart is feared.
Trust me, I am feared.
Genesis 12:3

So what are these giants trying to gain?

Isaiah 14:13-14 (satan saying)
[13] I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

And they want the ignorant sheeple to think the same lie.

-- ye shall be as gods --

Music to the arrogant sheeple's ears

The giants want to continue to use you as a little stepping stone.
And oh, they will.
They surely will.
So long as you believe their lie.

-- ye shall be as gods --

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:51 pm

A two word response to those two posts pops.

Unmitigated garbage.

So the entire reason that NASA and every government agency has covered up Byrd's "discovery" of some sort of wall at the "edge" of the world is to prevent Christians from spreading the Word(s) of the Bible. All that money and all that time and research were spent in an anti-Christian conspiracy.

Really. And you actually have the gall to ridicule others for not believing this "theory".

Any idea how many true Christians the world over would laugh their collective asses off at this silly shit? No, of course not, as your delusion is so deep and profoundly, mind-bogglingly irrational that you couldn't a fucking tree in front of you so long as someone said that tree was an affront to the existence of a lunatic's warped version of God and Christ.

Astounding.

Twenty effing pages for that answer.

Game over dude. Take your mythological playbook and flat ball and just go away.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:34 pm

I'm not going to go back through this trots worthy thread to look for it, but, did we ever get an explanation of season change, day length change from the flat earthers? And while we're on the subject, how about tides?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:10 pm

smackaholic wrote:I'm not going to go back through this trots worthy thread to look for it, but, did we ever get an explanation of season change, day length change from the flat earthers? And while we're on the subject, how about tides?

Yes.

Magic.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:56 am

KC Scott wrote:
Jay in Phoenix wrote: So the entire reason that NASA and every government agency has covered up Byrd's "discovery" of some sort of wall at the "edge" of the world is to prevent Christians from spreading the Word(s) of the Bible. All that money and all that time and research were spent in an anti-Christian conspiracy.

You act surprised?

Of course the answer was Satan - it's all quite obvious

This is a test of the true believers - When God comes and gives pops his heaven,
he will have earned it for fighting the subjugation of those who would shield you from ~~his~~ the truth

kind of anticlimactic IMHO

Is it really a coincidence that NASA and Satan are pretty nearly the same letters?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:04 pm

Scott wrote:Anyone can travel to any place in Antartica - I've given you the links, but you dismiss them because they are guided tours

I dismiss them because it's common sense to do so.
I have no idea why you think that someone can go anywhere they want in Antarctica when they are taken on a GUIDED TOUR.

Scott wrote:Almost all the 51 nations who have signed the treaty have scientific observation stations

Here's where they are located...

http://www.ecophotoexplorers.com/antarcticastations.asp

The U.S. is at #1, in the center, at the South Pole on a globe.
This is at the "edge" of the earth on a flat earth map.

Nearly everything else is at the outer edge of Antartcia (on a globe map), or at the interior ring of the white exterior Antartctica on a flat earth map.

Nobody is near the edge except for the U.S.A.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:06 pm

smackaholic wrote:I'm not going to go back through this trots worthy thread to look for it, but, did we ever get an explanation of season change, day length change from the flat earthers? And while we're on the subject, how about tides?

Why would I waste time answering your questions when you haven't shown interest enough to read what I've already posted?

These questions can all find discussion if you simply type your question in to Google along with -- flat earth.

Have fun!

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:24 pm

I'm a Christian and I do NOT believe in the flat earth.

but I'll entertain people's ideas...

do I think it's cooky? YEP

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:56 pm

MD wrote:I'm a Christian and I do NOT believe in the flat earth.

but I'll entertain people's ideas...

You really should.
The things I've been saying about our world are clearly told to us in the Bible.

You don't have to respond to this, but do something, if you have an open mind.

Read Genesis 1:6-8
Psalms 148:4.
Genesis 1:14-18

The whole thing is interesting.
Sun, moon and stars IN the firmament.
Waters above the firmament.

In the globe model, with stars billions of light years from us -- where are the waters above the firmament?

The other thing, if your mind is open, is watch the lunar wave...

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:16 pm

poptart wrote:
MD wrote:I'm a Christian and I do NOT believe in the flat earth.

but I'll entertain people's ideas...
You really should.
The things I've been saying about our world are clearly told to us in the Bible.

You don't have to respond to this, but do something, if you have an open mind.

Read Genesis 1:6-8
Psalms 148:4.
Genesis 1:14-18

The whole thing is interesting.
Sun, moon and stars IN the firmament.
Waters above the firmament.

In the globe model, with stars billions of light years from us -- where are the waters above the firmament?

The other thing, if your mind is open, is watch the lunar wave...

i'll have to check it out when I get to the hotel...work laptop/internets won't let me do the youtube thang.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:31 pm

poptart wrote:drive by and act like you're smart

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:44 pm

BTW, here's a fun exercise. Pull up Antarctica in Google maps.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Antar ... c7!6m1!1e1

Then try and drag your cursor left to right. Antarctica does it's best poptart imitation.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:53 pm

What the fuck difference is it supposed to make even if Antarctica was really closed rather than being one the most deadly places on the planet?

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:17 pm

No shit. It's not like we have a fukking fence there keeping people out. Elect tD though, and that could change.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:36 pm

mvscal wrote:What the fuck difference is it supposed to make

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:06 am

KC Scott wrote:
Jay in Phoenix wrote: So the entire reason that NASA and every government agency has covered up Byrd's "discovery" of some sort of wall at the "edge" of the world is to prevent Christians from spreading the Word(s) of the Bible. All that money and all that time and research were spent in an anti-Christian conspiracy.

You act surprised?

Of course the answer was Satan - it's all quite obvious

This is a test of the true believers - When God comes and gives pops his heaven,
he will have earned it for fighting the subjugation of those who would shield you from ~~his~~ the truth

kind of anticlimactic IMHO

Without reading any posts beyond this one Scott, not so much surprised as dissapointed. I actually thought there was a chance pops might come up with a non-Biblical, somewhat reasoned response. Should have known better, but sometimes you have to allow for a little faith. Pops has buried himself under mountains of nonsensical, illogical, crap, even by Christian standards.

Anticlimactic indeed.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:20 am

Jay wrote:illogical, crap

Like... standing water bends?

Or... doesn't bend -- even though the earth curves 8" per mile.
Or maybe the ground under the water is curved.
Lemme think...
Only ocean water bends...
Like Michigan water doesn't bend.
Or does it...?

errr...

The earth has to be ROUND, DAMN YOU!!!

Illogical crap.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:48 am

Very poor job on distraction from the issue fraudtart.

Standing water can bend or stretch, given the right containment or environment. Let's not forget about gravitational pull or friction or surface tension. I have constantly used the term "seems" to illustrate perception. You've gone the literal direction on either side and run with it, to fit your delusions. Lake, ocean, river, pool, or fucking glass, the physics apply in any case. You don't understand physics or science so this lost on you.

There is also your misperception on issues of traversing or flying directly over the poles, specifically the South, as gyroscopes and compasses become unreliable due to magnetism and planetary rotation. Navigational disorientation is and has been an issue due to this phenomenon. Look up Perry's three laws of gyroscopes for details.

This is a probable cause behind your hero Byrd and his inability to explain his ridiculous "theory".

If you wish, I can give you ten detailed and very specific truths proving the Earth is round, or "roundish", but as you will simply dismiss them all outright with your fairy tales, why bother. If you would be willing to go point by point, graphic for graphic without crutching yourself with Biblical rhetoric, then I will be happy to do so.

Otherwise, as before, you are done and on a one man island of pathetic ignorance.

Your call.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:15 am

Do you believe that a lake, one mile from shore to shore, is flat (as it appears to me) or is it 8" diff due to the earth's curve, the same as one mile of ocean must be?

- Moving Sale

Jay wrote:The surface of the lake, in perfectly calm conditions, given those parameters, is of course flat.

Jay wrote:Now then, expand that distance out, say for 1,000 miles, such as a typical stretch of sea or ocean, then the surface, to the naked eye, will "appear" flat. It isn't of course, due to gravitational pull.

Water on a 1 mile lake is flat, you say -- in defiance of the necessary 8" curve to accommodate your model, btw.
Yet water on an ocean does curve, you say.
LOL

Does water on Lake Michigan curve?

Jay wrote:Standing water can bend or stretch, given the right containment or environment. Let's not forget about gravitational pull or friction or surface tension. I have constantly used the term "seems" to illustrate perception. You've gone the literal direction on either side and run with it, to fit your delusions. Lake, ocean, river, pool, or fucking glass, the physics apply in any case. You don't understand physics or science so this lost on you.

You're just babbling and making things up, Jay.
Those among us who are really watching this can clearly see it.

The monkeys applaud you.
No surprise.

Now it's just razzle dazzle double-talk from Jay to try to rationalize his untenable position.
This is what liars do.

- poptart (9/10/15)

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:28 am

Pops...

Why are there "seasons?" Your model of the Sun and Moon orbiting at the same rate doesn't explain why the Earth should never have temperature changes.

Why can it be hot in the Summer at northern latitudes but opposite at the same latitudes below the equator? Your model of the Sun and Moon orbiting at the same rate doesn't explain why...

Why can it be cold in the Winter at northern latitudes but opposite at the same latitudes below the equator? Your model of the Sun and Moon orbiting at the same rate doesn't explain why...

Why are there Lunar and Solar "eclipses" that you yourself have admitted to witnessing? Your model of the Sun and Moon orbiting at the same rate doesn't explain why...

Take your time.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:47 am

Is thunder caused when God gets angry?

And Pops, why do you eschew the bible's description of the earth? If you're going to run with the flat part, should you be all in with the square shape as well?

And you fully support slavery, correct?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:15 am

Dinsdale wrote:Is thunder caused when God gets angry?

Hell no. Sometimes it's God's farts, sometimes it's just borborygmi.

Rain is when God decides to pee on us.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:03 am

Atomic Punk wrote:Pops...

Why are there "seasons?" Your model of the Sun and Moon orbiting at the same rate doesn't explain why the Earth should never have temperature changes.

Why can it be hot in the Summer at northern latitudes but opposite at the same latitudes below the equator? Your model of the Sun and Moon orbiting at the same rate doesn't explain why...

Why can it be cold in the Winter at northern latitudes but opposite at the same latitudes below the equator? Your model of the Sun and Moon orbiting at the same rate doesn't explain why...

Why are there Lunar and Solar "eclipses" that you yourself have admitted to witnessing? Your model of the Sun and Moon orbiting at the same rate doesn't explain why...

Take your time.

Not only are there eclipses. We can even predict them a good ways out and have been able to do so even prior to NASA coming along. This shows some sort of understanding of what the fukk is going on up there, in the firmament.

BTW, given your understanding that water can't do tricks, how the fukk is all that water up there on top of the firmament holding itself up?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:32 am

AP wrote:Your model of the Sun and Moon orbiting at the same rate

A I said when I posted the flat earth "model" with sun and moon moving, it is very basic and crude.
Just to let people who have never thought of flat earth have an idea of what is being talked about.

For any of your questions, just type it in to Google -- along with flat earth and you can easily find discussion on it.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:42 am

Dinsdale wrote:And Pops, why do you eschew the bible's description of the earth? If you're going to run with the flat part, should you be all in with the square shape as well?

There is a square earth model.
Something like this, with the corners off of the area where we live.

I'm not necessarily endorsing it, but am just saying that I've seen it.

Dinsdale wrote:And you fully support slavery, correct?

This again?
It's a subject that has been asked about many times already on this board.

The slavery outlines and laws were part of the Old Testament Law.
This is how I answered this question the last time it came up -- when Scott asked it a couple of weeks ago...

This concept is sometimes brought up by people -- and it's a dead give-away that they know very little about the Bible.

This was my answer the last time it was asked on this board...

To be honest with you, this is a very simple and basic concept.

Jesus came, He is the promised Christ, He finished everything (John 19:30) and He is the complete fulfillment of the Old Testament.
Christians are not bound by the OT Law and have no requirement to follow it.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

John 5:39 (Jesus speaking to the Jews)
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

There are many many other parts of Scripture which talk about this.

Again, it is a basic and simple concept.

- poptart (9/9/15)

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:49 am

smackaholic wrote:BTW, given your understanding that water can't do tricks, how the fukk is all that water up there on top of the firmament holding itself up?

I've never seen the waters and I've never touched the firmament, so I don't know.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:51 am

smackaholic wrote:Not only are there eclipses...

Eclipses + flat earth + Google

Lots of discussion out there.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:40 am

Btw, this is an excellent overall site for flat earth -----> from a Biblical perspective.

http://www.testingtheglobe.com/

This particular page will be fun for most y'all, as a starting point.

Easy globalist arguments to refute.

http://www.testingtheglobe.com/quest2.html

:)

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:42 pm

What do you make of this?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:58 pm

You can Google it + flat earth, and find flat earth takes on it.

I don't yet have a firm hypothesis for it which I am confident in.

Here's a question to ponder, though...

Why do meteors always come down from the sky?

If we're on a ball, we would sometimes see them come up from under our horizon, right?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:29 pm

You are one ignorant motherfucking tard.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:49 pm

poptart wrote:
AP wrote:Your model of the Sun and Moon orbiting at the same rate
A I said when I posted the flat earth "model" with sun and moon moving, it is very basic and crude.
Just to let people who have never thought of flat earth have an idea of what is being talked about.

For any of your questions, just type it in to Google -- along with flat earth and you can easily find discussion on it.

Oh, great. Then we could hook up with a whole flock of poptarts. Or would that be a gaggle of poptarts?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:11 pm

There's some really good choices if you consider all of the animal group names:

A congregation of poptarts

An obstinancy of poptarts

A chattering of poptarts

An implausibility of poptarts

A confusion of poptarts

A rabble of poptarts

A deceipt of poptarts

A plague of poptarts

etc.

etc.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:55 pm

poptart wrote:Do you believe that a lake, one mile from shore to shore, is flat (as it appears to me) or is it 8" diff due to the earth's curve, the same as one mile of ocean must be?

- Moving Sale

Jay wrote:The surface of the lake, in perfectly calm conditions, given those parameters, is of course flat.

Jay wrote:Now then, expand that distance out, say for 1,000 miles, such as a typical stretch of sea or ocean, then the surface, to the naked eye, will "appear" flat. It isn't of course, due to gravitational pull.

Water on a 1 mile lake is flat, you say -- in defiance of the necessary 8" curve to accommodate your model, btw.
Yet water on an ocean does curve, you say.
LOL

Does water on Lake Michigan curve?

Jay wrote:Standing water can bend or stretch, given the right containment or environment. Let's not forget about gravitational pull or friction or surface tension. I have constantly used the term "seems" to illustrate perception. You've gone the literal direction on either side and run with it, to fit your delusions. Lake, ocean, river, pool, or fucking glass, the physics apply in any case. You don't understand physics or science so this lost on you.
You're just babbling and making things up, Jay.
Those among us who are really watching this can clearly see it.

The monkeys applaud you.
No surprise.

Now it's just razzle dazzle double-talk from Jay to try to rationalize his untenable position.
This is what liars do.

So I omitted the word "seems" in a couple of posts, though I continue to use the word for appearance or perception. I have repeated this several times. No double-talk, no lies.

I have made nothing up, it's all easily and readily available information for anyone who chooses to look it up. You choose to ignore what causes you the most conflict.

I realize you didn't like the answer to your 8" model question, as it was non-applicable graphic and was misleading at best. Moving Sale buying into this nonsense is meaningless, as dude embraces 9/11 conspiracy and LTS UFO ideas. Credibility isn't his strong suit. Neither is yours.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:36 pm

So the rules of slavery and killing your children and whatnot got tossed from the Old Testament, but the description of the earth is carved in stone?

BTW -- I don't know if you noticed in your rabid maniacal rantings, but the square earth model (which is described in the Bible, yet you omit, presumably because it would make you look even dumber) involves water "curving." An epic fail, even by your epic high standards of "fail."

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:02 am

An ever epic "bwah!!" for Dins. Also racking the "eschew" smack.

Gotta own up when it is best used against.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:34 am

Proof of round Earth part 1:

Aristotle, who made quite a number of observations about the spherical nature of our planet, noticed observing lunar eclipses (when the Earth's orbit places it directly between the Sun and the Moon, creating a shadow in the process), showed the shadow on the Moon's surface is round. The shadow is the Earth's, and it is a perfect clue as to the shape of the Earth. Since the Earth is in constant rotation, (see the Foucault Pendulum experiment as definitive proof), the consistent oval or round shadow it produces in each and every lunar eclipse, proves that the Earth is not only round, but spherical.

That is just proof 1 'tart. Do you really need to see the other definitive nine?

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:41 am

I've talked about solar and lunar eclipses enough to know pops hasn't bothered to figured out from his own observations why that may be.

For example, pops can make some purposeful usages of those sticks he tries to throw into a mini bucket and stick them in the ground pointing at the Sun to where there is no shadow during the days and then plot the ends of the shadows after a period of time (over daylight hours assuming those sticks are at the same depth in the soil).

Then do the same experiment each month and compare the track lines to observe relative motion and the Sun's declination. That in itself will prove the Earth's rotational axis is at a certain angle as it rotates around the Sun. At night, he can use a fixed point of reference to observe different constellations over a period of 12 months at predictable positions to come up with a calendar. The ancient astronomers did just that to make predictable almanacs and sight reduction tables for navigation that is used to this day.

He won't do that because he refuses objectivity that doesn't equal his misinterpretations of scripture (that isn't intended to be an astronomy book).

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:48 am

Jay wrote:So I omitted the word "seems" in a couple of posts, though I continue to use the word for appearance or perception. I have repeated this several times. No double-talk, no lies.

I have made nothing up, it's all easily and readily available information for anyone who chooses to look it up. You choose to ignore what causes you the most conflict.

I realize you didn't like the answer to your 8" model question, as it was non-applicable graphic and was misleading at best. Moving Sale buying into this nonsense is meaningless, as dude embraces 9/11 conspiracy and LTS UFO ideas. Credibility isn't his strong suit. Neither is yours.

Now it's just razzle dazzle double-talk from Jay to try to rationalize his untenable position.
This is what liars do.

- poptart (9/10/15)

You STILL have not told us what you think.
lol

Y or N to each, Jay.

- Does a 1 mile lake have an 8" bend of the water?

- Does Lake Michigan have this bending of the water?

- Do the oceans have this bending of the water?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:59 am

Dinsdale wrote:So the rules of slavery and killing your children and whatnot got tossed from the Old Testament, but the description of the earth is carved in stone?

Nothing got tossed from the Old Testament.
It's there and it is eternal.

Christ is the fulfillment of all of the Laws and of all of the Old Testament.
Believers follow Him, not the Law.
The Law will be used to judge people like, well... like -----> you.

Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Romans 8:1-2
[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Do the right thing.

The world God created is the world God created.
That didn't change because Christ has come.

Dinsdale wrote:BTW -- I don't know if you noticed in your rabid maniacal rantings, but the square earth model (which is described in the Bible, yet you omit, presumably because it would make you look even dumber) involves water "curving." An epic fail, even by your epic high standards of "fail."

poptart wrote:I'm not necessarily endorsing it, but am just saying that I've seen it.