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Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:25 pm**

Cicero wrote:Oh and negative recruiting isnt happening? "Well son, you know Bobby isnt going to be there by the time you graduate." All the fucking time. Maybe not Stoops, but I wouldnt put it past him.

Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:29 pm**

"Well son, you know Bobby isnt going to be there by the time you graduate." All the fucking time. Maybe not Stoops, but I wouldnt put it past him.

Kindly tell me how that constitutes "negative recruiting"? When you're talking about coaches that are pushing 80, it's not a stretch to predict their retirement.

The "your coach is old" thing is the most overused cliche in the land. Paterno just landed a monster class. It's all about how well you're doing on the field. If Paterno or Bowden retired over the next 5 years, I doubt that it would devastate a kid who commits now.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:33 pm**

Oh I agree. I doubt Joe and Bobby have much to do w/ the day to day operations of the program, but the shit is used.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:34 pm**

tell me how that constitutes "negative recruiting"

You skipped that part.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:40 pm**

Sadly, the more I read, the more it looks like FSU didnt pull out all the stops. The best recruiter the past 20 years, might be losing some of his mojo and intensity. sad, sad.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:44 pm**

So, you're done wailing about negative recruiting?

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:47 pm**

For now. Feels like someone has punched me in the stomach. Looks like we wont close this year, like we normally do.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:30 pm**

Cicero wrote:
Believe the Heupel wrote:
Cicero wrote:^^^^^

Pissing me the fuck off. We need O-Line and he could start right away. We were his leader last week. Negative recruiting is a bitch.
Negative recruiting? What a fuckin' pussy you are.

Walker chose OU because OU offered him first and actually went out and visited his parents. FSU didn't. In an interview today he said flat-out that's why he chose OU.
I would think the "Bobby won't be there when you graduate" line would be pretty attractive to a recruit.

I actually thought Bobby had gone out and visited. Hmmmm. Oh and negative recruiting isnt happening? "Well son, you know Bobby isnt going to be there by the time you graduate." All the fucking time. Maybe not Stoops, but I wouldnt put it past him.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:25 pm**

UM lands OL Schilling.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/s ... ing27.html

More on the rest of the class...

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? ... 4/SPORTS06

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:46 pm**

I am sure the Hokies are scouring the dumpsters and crack dens in Richmond and Tidewater for the ghettoest thugs to add to the team.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:50 pm**

RACK, gotta love beamer.

Stuck, would you like to see him let go?

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:06 pm**

A couple years ago I felt that Beamer had taken this team about as far as he can. Now with a few more years of being "almost there" and all this recent thuggery shit a change somewhere may be for the best. Also, if there are any more ”incidents” and some serious steps are not taken to change the reputation VT is getting, then I think I am ready for a complete overhaul.

Unfortunately, Beamer just received a contract extension until 2012 for $2 million a year plus incentives. It would be very difficult to get rid of him even if it was justified.

I do understand the loyalty to him considering the football program was horseshit before he arrived. He has also done a huge service for the university in general in terms of national exposure and non-athletics donations.

It is a tough call but something has to be changed at Tech.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:48 pm**

Stafon Johnson to USC. USC now has 4 4 star or better running backs, including CJ Gable who is projected as a DB. And they are still recruiting CJ Spiller.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:49 pm**

Believe the Heupel wrote:Not just the football team, man. Didn't one of your basketball players kick someone last night in a game?

Unfortunately, yes.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:11 pm**

Killian wrote:Stafon Johnson to USC. USC now has 4 4 star or better running backs, including CJ Gable who is projected as a DB. And they are still recruiting CJ Spiller.

If we dont get Spiller I am going to cane our coaching staff.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:22 pm**

I'll be surprised, with Johnson's verbal today, if Spiller comes accross country for us.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:25 pm**

USC is shaping up to have a sick class. Possible 15 of Rivals 100.

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:52 am**

A little something from CBS Sportsline

Recruiting answers from an expert
Jan. 27, 2006
By Dennis Dodd
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer
Tell Dennis your opinion!

SportsLine.com's top 10
Current recruiting rankings
1. Florida
2. Texas
3. Notre Dame
4. Penn State
5. USC
6. Georgia
7. LSU
8. Ohio State
9. Mississippi
10. Oklahoma

Tom Lemming is the Vince Young of college football recruiting.

No, he can't throw or run, at least as well as V.Y. But the guy can audible with the best of them. That's why the Chicago-based recruiting guru is a savant. Mention a name, and he can remember height, weight, 40-yard time and favorite food.

Lemming is now CSTV's football recruiting analyst and recently took some time to break down the 2006 recruiting season for CBS SportsLine.com

Surprised? Pittsburgh's Dave Wannstedt is cleaning up in talent-rich Western Pennsylvania. (Getty Images)
SportsLine: Who is your No. 1 player right now?

Lemming: (Running back) Chris Wells from Garfield High in Akron -- 6-2, 230. He's Maurice Clarett without the baggage. Same kind of size, speed and strength, great attitude. He was our best player in San Antonio (at the U.S. Army all-star game). I picked the players for that game. He was the best player there.

(Receiver) Percy Harvin from Virginia is great, my No. 2 player, but he's got a bad attitude.

(Note: Wells has committed to Ohio State, Harvin to Florida.)

SportsLine: Is Florida No. 1 in recruiting at this point?

Lemming: Florida without a doubt. I don't see anybody knocking them out now. You never know. Notre Dame is No. 2, then Texas, USC and Penn State.

SportsLine: What is the secret of Florida? Urban Meyer seems to be a guy that is full of energy.

Lemming: It's not really a secret. It's an energetic and personable coach with the same kind of staff in the most loaded state in the country. The big story would be if they don't finish in the top five.

Florida may have the best recruiting staff in the country right now.

SportsLine: That raises another question. With Florida being so dominant, does that mean Florida State and Miami are backsliding a little?

Lemming: Yes, the reason they're backsliding is because they're going against Florida. But with that said, they're among the top 15 schools recruiting-wise. But Florida State is used to being No. 1, 2 or 3, and it's not going to happen this year.

Miami just lost its top prospect to Penn State (four-star quarterback Pat Devlin). He was committed to them for several months. He blamed it on the coaching changes. But you know what? It's all about perception, recruiting. The perception is that Penn State is back and Miami is backsliding.

SportsLine: Notre Dame is back, at least on the field. That seems to be reflected in recruiting by the fact that Charlie Weis was done with this year's class a long time ago. True?

Lemming: There's a misconception in recruiting (that) the last 25 players (to commit) become superstars because they're the only ones left. A lot of them aren't that good. They're just smart enough to wait until the end to announce, which makes them bigger names than they deserve to be.

Notre Dame is just about finished, I imagine. Getting (five-star offensive lineman) Sam Young really topped off the class. It's the best class in 15 years.

SportsLine: Someone said that Tyrone Willingham's one through 15 guys at Notre Dame were solid but 16 through 25 were a bit of a reach. Is that accurate?

Lemming: I thought everyone was a reach. His junior year was good, the Brady Quinn year. After that, his next two classes were absolutely horrible by anybody's standards of any elite team.

What's going to happen is, Notre Dame will have a real good year (on the field) next year. After that, either this freshman class is going to have to take charge right away, or they're going to have a weak year in 2007.

SportsLine: What player might make an immediate impact?

Lemming: I think Wells could because Ohio State has been looking for a big back. Harvin is the most exciting player in the country. I also believe with (Arkansas quarterback commit) Mitch Mustain, there will be a lot of pressure to play him right away.

(Texas linebacker commit) Sergio Kindle will become an impact player for Texas. (Defensive back commit) Antwine Perez at USC. USC is so loaded, but Perez is a thrilling type of hitter.

SportsLine: Speaking of USC, how does Pete Carroll keep doing it?

Lemming: Once you get it going, it's a lot easier. There's a little tough going here at the end. They lost (Florida commit) Sam Young to Notre Dame and Steve Schilling (Michigan offensive lineman commit) said he's not going to USC. That's two of the best offensive linemen in the country.

That said, they get everybody they want in Los Angeles. And Pete's got it going because UCLA is not putting up much of a fight. You add that to Pete Carroll's personality. It's a real good recruiting staff. You've got to have guys who have that personality to stay with it.

SportsLine: Is there an up-and-coming team that surprises you right now?

Lemming: Pitt is having a fantastic year right now. For a Big East team to be in the top 15 right now is tremendous testimony to Dave Wannstedt. His Western Pennsylvania recruiting is out of this world.

Fourteen of his top 16 are from Western Pa. He had a good staff. He kept some of Walt Harris' best recruiters.

Enjoy.

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:54 am**

its impossible to enjoy anything that says anything positive about Leming, that guy is sucking the cheessteak droppings out of Weiss's neck rolls

Tell me how the fuck USC has only the 5th best class in the nation when they already have 12 of the nations top 100 players and the next closest team has 7? The Trojans have an average star rating of 4.5, no other school is even over 4
The Trojans have 7 on Californias top 10 players (2 of those other 3 have yet to commit)

1 Allen Bradford LB 5-11/219 Colton (CA) Colton Southern Cal

2 Stafon Johnson RB 5-11/200 Los Angeles (CA) Dorsey Southern Cal

3 C.J. Gable ATH 5-11/180 Sylmar (CA) Sylmar Southern Cal

4 Jamere Holland ATH 6-1/175 Woodland Hills (CA) Taft

5 Shareece Wright DB 5-11/180 Colton (CA) Colton Southern Cal

6 Joshua Tatum LB 6-0/219 Oakland (CA) McClymonds Southern Cal

7 Jonas Mouton DB 6-2/212 Venice (CA) Venice

8 Derrick Hill DT 6-1/278 Oakland (CA) McClymonds California

9 Derek Simmons DE 6-4/268 Fairfield (CA) Armijo Southern Cal

10 David Ausberry WR 6-4/213 Lemoore (CA) Lemoore Southern Cal

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:04 am**

Ease up there, socal. Just because your USC, doesn't mean the world is handed to you on a silver platter.

My guess is that it's because overall, USC has fewer TOTAL recruits (far fewer in some cases) than other top programs.

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:48 am**

T^he Trojans are going to replace Bush with Johnson and next season USC will have Hancock and Johnson lining up behind Booty.

that will be message board fodder for anti Trojans

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:38 am**

I think it's because they have a guy named Shareece. That right there drops you down a little bit.

Seriously for some $C fans if they're not recognized as on top, inventing CFB, saving the world they get their lace panties in a bunch. Who gives a fuck where the class is ranked. Who knows if these kids are going to have an impact at the next level. Some may, and some may not.

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:13 am**

We're getting the kids we want, and they're great kids with great ratings. Almost 4.5 stars per, but not a twenty-something class like those ranked above us.

Bigfukkendeal. Lots of squads did well this year.

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:41 pm**

Jimmy Medalions wrote:We're getting the kids we want, and they're great kids with great ratings. Almost 4.5 stars per, but not a twenty-something class like those ranked above us.

Bigfukkendeal. Lots of squads did well this year.

Wanted McCoy. Don't you don't Pete has been to OKC three times now in the last two weeks hanging from his sack. Looks like he is going to be a Sooner.

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:25 pm**

McCoy won't make or break this class. But props...I guess beating us for one recruit makes up for that little game we played just over a year ago.

Idiot.

Posted: **Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:04 pm**

Urban is starting to lose some players.

Williams will decommitt tonight to go to Arkansas, McDaniel is going to FSU or OSU, and rumor is that Harvin is now looking around.

Posted: **Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:31 pm**

FLW Buckeye wrote:A little something from CBS Sportsline

Recruiting answers from an expert
Jan. 27, 2006
By Dennis Dodd
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer
Tell Dennis your opinion!

SportsLine.com's top 10
Current recruiting rankings
1. Florida
2. Texas
3. Notre Dame
4. Penn State
5. USC
6. Georgia
7. LSU
8. Ohio State
9. Mississippi
10. Oklahoma

Tom Lemming is the Vince Young of college football recruiting.

Enjoy.

Tom Lemming doesnt know his ass from a whole in the ground. I emailed Dodd when I read that last week. Anyone who thinks that asshat knows something about recruiting is a moron too. He is the biggest freaking Notre Dame homer. Now I dont hate ND. I think its good for CFB that they are competing for titles. Buuuuut, dude picked the rosters for the Army AA game and like 12 of the guys were from Notre Dame. He talks negatively about Miami and FSU and tells recruits not to go there and that they would be better off at Notre Dame or UF. I am not the only one that feels that way. There is a reason why the guy has bounced around from recruiting service to recruiting service.

Posted: **Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:57 pm**

Jimmy Medalions wrote:McCoy won't make or break this class. But props...I guess beating us for one recruit makes up for that little game we played just over a year ago.

Idiot.

It doesn't make up for the game at all. But it hasn't been just one recruit. We have gone head to head for three in the last two years and OU has two of them and it looks like the third will be here as well. Reggie, DeMarco, and Gerald all in C&C.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:55 am**

SunCoastSooner wrote:Win the battle, lose the war. Rack us!

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:15 am**

Jimmy Medalions wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:Win the battle, lose the war. Rack us!

Yes because that was our one and only shot at a national title. It is such a tough road to hoe as a Sooner fan, lord knows that was the only chance for me to ever see my Sooners win a national title. There were no oppertunities before January 4, 2005 and I am sure there will none after it. I just don't see how I can go on living with no hope.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:26 am**

Killian wrote:Urban is starting to lose some players.

Williams will decommitt tonight to go to Arkansas, McDaniel is going to FSU or OSU, and rumor is that Harvin is now looking around.

LINK?

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:34 am**

Cicero wrote: If we dont get Spiller I am going to cane our coaching staff.

I wouldn't be to worried about Spiller...another "scat" back. I'm tired of watching booker (the latest) trying to dance out of a tackle and then get pummled behind the line of scrimmage. We are sooooo freaking deep right now with these types of backs...booker, lewis, smith, ball......I would much rather take Marcus Sims and let him be a running back. I would like to see a back like White or Peterson line up behing Weatherford in the future, someone who can haul a couple guys for a gain. There is only one Warrick Dunn...

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:38 am**

We def need another Greg Jones type back. I agree in that ever since Dunn was here, FSU has been trying to find the second coming i.e. Minor, Maddox and Booker. I dont think we need Spiller or a RB at all in this class, I just dont want to see the Gates get him.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:00 am**

Speak of the devil. Fuckin Tom Lemming.

Lemming outed as ND Homer

Like i said. The guy shouldnt even be allowed to do what he does.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:17 am**

A perfect example of why I hate the recruiting business.

Does FSU or any other school in this position have any legal recourse when it comes to Lemming? I'm betting there is nothing they can do about it but they could call him out publicly and try to hurt him professionally. His credibility is going downhill by the minute. Here is a guy who is using his access to these kids to try to steer them to his favorite program all under the guise of "rating" players. I think we all know who the "media hound" is and it isn't Myron Rolle.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:26 am**

Lemming's a clod of shit. The worst part is, the NCAA doesn't seem to care one bit. There have been NUMEROUS instances in which Lemming was borderline, but no one with the NCAA seems to have the inclination to do anything about it.

IMO, it's fucking BULLSHIT to see this asshole call kids out like this. He's an asshole who butters his bread thanks to kids and their choice of school.

Sometimes I wonder about the value of the work I do every day...then I remember Lemming and his ilk, bringing up the rear, and I feel vindication, pure and unadulterated.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:55 pm**

Killian wrote:Urban is starting to lose some players.

Williams will decommitt tonight to go to Arkansas, McDaniel is going to FSU or OSU, and rumor is that Harvin is now looking around.

Harvin is not going anywhere. Williams? A WR? McDaniel? WR?

We had SEVEN wrs. We can lose one or two. It doesn't bother me.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:46 pm**

I really wish the NCAA would bring the hammer down on Lemming. Joe Terenova just brought you players and their rankings, rarely (if ever) injecting his opinion on where a kid should go. Then comes this former mailman Lemming, who comes out with this huge book that becomes the bible of recruiting geeks. Once the internet boom hits, he makes a shrewd move and doesn't get his own website, but leeches on to ESPN.com. At the time, a great move because it forced his main rival, Allen Wallace, to go with SI.com or another website. Lemming started to lose it when the team sites and places like rivals.com and scout.com started to spring up. Both of those sites employee 50+ writers to cover recruiting, and they can get much more done than a one man show like Lemming.

This spring, the Rolle/Lemming/ND thing came to a head. This was after Booker called out Lemming on a talkshow, and had it out with him on the same talk show, either that day or a week later. Soon after, ESPN cut ties with the Neck and he caught on with CSTV.

The sad thing is that all these guys carry way too much power with some of these kids. They're still 17-18 and like to see their name in print, and want it to see in a positive way. So they cater to these idiots so they can get the 5 star rating and play in their stupid fucking All Star game.

Lemming is going to end up costing Notre Dame a recruit in the near future, and that's the best case senario. The worst would be NCAA sanctions. The best thing Notre Dame could do is come out and publicly state that there is no relationship with them and Lemming, and he is persona non gratis on the campus. The best thing Willingham ever did was to tell Lemming to fuck off.

Him calling out Rolle and Booker, even if both cases were 100% true, is completely bush league. He acts like a jilted prom date when he says these things.

Fuck Lemming.

As far as Florida and their recruiting, they are losing two of their top receivers in this recruiting class. Meyer has publicly stated that he wants 8-10 WR's to run his play ground offense, and that was the reason he was taking so many this recruiting season. As far as Harvin goes, it's just strange that he's still allowing other coaches to come in for in home visits this late in the recruiting process.

But do you still need the link?

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:27 pm**

SunCoastSooner wrote:Anyone want to explain the concepts of context and staying on topic? I'm not getting it.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:46 pm**

Believe the Heupel wrote:FWIW, Meds, you were the one who got off topic. Sure, a recruit here and there in no way makes up for the Orange Bowl last year, but the thread title was "Let's talk recruiting," not "Let's talk about how OU got the shit kicked out of them in the Orange Bowl last year."

Trust me, there were plenty of those threads at the time.

Now, if'n I were Meds, I'd point out that two of the three recruits that SCS mentioned were Oklahoma kids and that USC has done just fine h2h recruiting against OU with guys like Keith Rivers, Byers, and others. Some fat crosseyed kid who played QB got OU offers as well.

I would bring up Shweiger before those but yeah.

And I'm glad you pointed out that it was he who side tracked the thread so I didn't have to.