Is Wal-Mart really evil?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu May 25, 2006 5:09 pm

88 wrote:The days of thriving metropolitan walking cities are over for the most part.

And yet you're arguing against preserving one of the great ones. Brilliant.

And to do so, you're comparing one of the poorest cities in the country to one of the wealthiest ones. And you're claiming that SF should do things Cleaveland's way.

Bueller? Class?

Tears, Jerry.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu May 25, 2006 5:09 pm

That'll do 'er.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu May 25, 2006 5:17 pm

The days of thriving metropolitan walking cities are over for the most part.

For years, municipalities did nothing to encourage use of urban areas. That's changing in some areas, hopefully more and more.

In Pittsburgh, 5 years has seen a remarkable change in the downtown area. New housing, new businesses, and new attention from the elected officials.

There are plans to open a new grocery store right near Market Square, something that might really help the folks who are moving downtown.

So yes, people have been escaping cities for decades, but there are signs that a different approach is possible. Some cities are well along with this, others not at all. People are beginning to understand the consequences of sprawl, though. Older suburban retail developments have been abandoned, and new ones created with a lot of taxbase juggling. As suburban areas are vacated just as cities once were, more people begin to understand the value of sensible land use.

Or not. I guess time will tell...

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu May 25, 2006 5:18 pm

PSUFAN wrote:I am not concerned with what they're offering, but with how they obtain it, manufacture it, warehouse it, and sell it with their workforce.

I don't want to offer anything. I don't want to obtain anything. I don't want to manufacture anything or warehouse it or sell it, as a career. I don't want to offer anything warehoused or sold. I don't want to sell anything offered, warehoused or obtained. You know, as a career, I don't want to do that.

What I really want to do with my life - what I want to do for a living - is I want to fuck barskanks in the ass. I'm good at it.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu May 25, 2006 5:22 pm

Why go for the pooper, when they're a perfectly good pussy right next door?

See, we're talking about making good choices here. 88 sees a forest, and thinks it would be a good spot for a stripmall. I say build the stripmall on the foundations of the last several ones.

Dinsdale uncovers some booty and goes for the browneye. I see a pussy - which was made to accomodate a penis - and go after that.

Choices.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu May 25, 2006 5:24 pm

PSU -- that "whooosh" sound you just heard was several levels of jokes flying right over your head...just so's you know.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu May 25, 2006 5:26 pm

e wrote:psufn...no racks for you. you completely missed the reference

You mean the reset from...the same freaking movie he reset earlier today?

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu May 25, 2006 5:28 pm

You guys are fags.

--TTB

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Thu May 25, 2006 5:30 pm

Mucho racks to Dins, Bace and Y2K.

Most excellent thread.

Terry in Crapchester · Thu May 25, 2006 5:34 pm

PrimeX wrote:Mucho racks to Dins, Bace and Y2K.

Most excellent thread.

Second.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Thu May 25, 2006 7:29 pm

Ah War Whackoff, thanks for the chance to go off topic on your stupid ass...

War Whackoff whines-

Yes, we Royals fans are retarded...but we ain't GAY

Well certainly a good first step...acknowledging your retardedness. Of course, that somewhat insults people who are afflicted with true mental retardation, however I'm sure they'll embrace you into their fold. Still, you are a KC Royals fan, and while that might not make you a homo, it does make you an incredible fucking loser.

By the way dipshit, St. Louis Cardinal fans are considered to be the greatest and most knowledgeable fans in all of baseball....a far cry from being gay. Now then, the Rams uniforms are a little bit suspect, but last I checked, they did WIN the Super Bowl once and were in it twice in the last few years...where were your precious Chiefs?

Yeah, sucking ass in Loserville, just like you are.

...our Football team doesn't play in a Dome named...what's the latest sponsors name again?

Kee-rist! Dude, seriously, almost EVERY team in professional sports plays in corporately sponsored stadium or arena. Hardly an area for smaking. Still, your stadium is named after a fossil. Appropriate, since the time of fossils is just about the last time any KC team won...well...anything.

And we can out tailgate any motherfuckers on the planet.

ScorefuckingBoard.

What, so you can heat meat off the back of a rusted out truck and get shit-faced, puking drunk better than anyone else.

Uh yeah...scoreboard.

And there's always 1985 to throw up in Cards fan face when they get uppity.

Just like the 2000 Superbowl to throw in the KC Cheaps face. Dumbass.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Thu May 25, 2006 7:40 pm

Dinsdale wrote:I don't want to offer anything. I don't want to obtain anything. I don't want to manufacture anything or warehouse it or sell it, as a career. I don't want to offer anything warehoused or sold. I don't want to sell anything offered, warehoused or obtained. You know, as a career, I don't want to do that.

Say anything?

What I really want to do with my life - what I want to do for a living - is I want to fuck barskanks in the ass. I'm good at it.

And not write aboot it.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu May 25, 2006 7:47 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:And not write aboot it.

As much as I've run my hole, it's gonna have to be pretty epic when the time comes, eh?

You gotta realize we're talking about something I successfully blocked from my memory for a few years. I have some deep-seeded issues to deal with over this...bear with me.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:58 pm

supercenters=saturday fun for white trash.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:04 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
PrimeX wrote:Mucho racks to Dins, Bace and Y2K.

Most excellent thread.
Second.

Third.

I wish I had followed this thread from the beginning, but I just now read through it.

If your only criteria for shopping is price, then by all means go to WalMart. I buy deodorant, camping supplies and fishing licenses there, but not much else.

If you include other factors in your shopping decisions, like quality, social responsibility and not having to push past fat moronic bitches to navigate down their endless aisles, then you may choose to shop elsewhere.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:14 pm

mvscal wrote:Yeah, I know I shop for "social responsibility".

What a joke. You handwringers are awful full of yourselves, aren't you?

I'm not handwringing, dickhead. Take out the punchline that you seem to think is so pathetic. I don't like the way they do business, and as far as I'm concerned they cost the community more than they contribute. So, I shop elsewhere. Sorry if that offends your WalMart greeter mentality.

And GFY while you're at it.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:24 pm

mvscal wrote:
Mikey wrote:I don't like the way they do business, and as far as I'm concerned they cost the community more than they contribute. So, I shop elsewhere.

Mikey wrote:I buy deodorant, camping supplies and fishing licenses there, but not much else.
So you're a lying hypocrite, too. I'm not suprised. It's integral part of being a handwringing, liberal whinin' sack.

Pretty strong words. You want to step out back and settle this?

I never said that I shop exclusively elsewhere.

Buying some stuff there but passing by most of the time makes me a lying hypocrite?

Seems you're setting the bar pretty low here.

Uncle Fester · Post by **Uncle Fester** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:42 pm

Growing List of Evil

Oil Companies
Haliburton
Tobacco Companies
Microsoft
Wal-Mart
McDonald's
Gun Manufacturers
Lumber and Paper Companies
Mining Companies
Pharmaceutical Companies
Telecommunications Companies

What am I missing?

Nails it. At least for a start.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:47 pm

mvscal wrote:You handwringers are awful full of yourselves, aren't you?

More mvscal KHOA.

Logic, much?

Us "handwringers"(sup not Mikey) do this for THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. Not sure what unbelievable failure in your logic led you to believe the OPPOSITE OF THE OBVIOUS was true, but you aren't looking any too bright here(but don't feel bad -- neither is Mikey at this point).

Here's some slow typing for you --

Wal-Mart shopper -- selfish, doesn't care about other embers of their own community = FULL OF THEMSELVES

People willing to pay more to increase the lot of other people in their community (regardless whether it's an effective meathod or not) -- acting selflessly = NOT FULL OF THEMSELVES, a fact proven by putting their money where their mouth is (sup not Mikey).

You're posting some absolutely retarded shit....:shocker:

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:05 pm

Oil Companies -- yup

Haliburton -- anyone who disagrees with this is in the running for "most retarded motherfucker on the planet (overbilling for freaking fuel out front should have told you)

Tobacco Companies -- nuetral

Microsoft -- manipulated markets for an unfair advantage, through collusion and other illegal means. Busted for antitrust violations. So....yup

Wal-Mart -- no brainer. Americans are more important to America than Chinese are

McDonald's -- if you want to eat shitty food and drink 800 degree coffee, knock yourself out. Although in a recent case(a tpoic on this board at the time), a 17 year old McD's employee was killed at work by a psychopath. Fucking bastrads had to be threatened with a boycott, and citizens had to tarnish their name in the media to get McD's to pay for the freaking funeral (the community had already chipped in, since the family was destitute, and the daughter was working there to pay family bills). So, yeah...they're leaning towards corporate scum

Gun Manufacturers -- defenders of our freedom and the Second Amendment. I'd hate to have to bust out machinery and make my own(which I would if they weren't available...I'm guessing mine wouldn't turn out quite as nice as theirs)

Lumber and Paper Companies -- straight-up fucking evil...possibly the worst example of any listed. They've been known to put hits out on any scientist or anyone else who attempts to publish any evidence that any logging practices are detrimental to the heatlth of the forest. They're trying to shelve a years-long study by Oregon State University confirming what complete environmental devastation "salvage logging" after fires causes(which was already essentailly common knowledge). These companies have published FLAT OUT LIES to defend their profits. Plus, if you think for one fucking second that those logging companies are actually paying for that timber (that you and I own, and they are STEALING from us), you're a fucking naive moron. How many former scalers should we roll that tell the tales of death threats against their families if they don't agree to let their trucks drive by the scaling stations...and that shit is still VERY widespread today. Any time your official company policy is stealing from the American public(sup Halliburton), yeah...you're fucking evil.

Mining Companies -- not the greatest. Those safety laws are there for a reason, and that reason isn't "to be ignored."

Pharmaceutical Companies -- My friend's dad owned a pharmacy chain. He did pretty darn well for himself. He was also the head of the state pharmacy board for a very long time. He now says "I'm quite proud to call myself a 'former' pharmacist. That industry is no longer about helping anybody, but rather keeping their stranglehold on Congress, so they can release known-to-be-ineffective-and-harmful drugs on the market." If they weren't evil, they would have independent labs doing their testing, not testing the stuff themselves. Oh, and by the way -- without knowing a thing about you, I already know there's at least a 90% chance that you have "high" cholesterol....know how I know...because the government PAID the pharmecutical companies to decide how much cholesterol was "high"...the same people who make drugs to counter "high" cholesterol. Brilliant marketing, for sure...and pure, unadulterated evil

Telecommunications Companies -- yup...they've engaged in collusion against the American People

But hey...as long as tards keep turning a blind eye, there's no incentive to stop being evil, so no big deal.

What am I missing?

Looks, brains, and a conscience.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:13 pm

mvscal wrote:
Mikey wrote:Buying some stuff there but passing by most of the time makes me a lying hypocrite?
It certainly does when you profess concern over their impact on the community and the way they do business yet you place your personal convenience over those "very important" social concerns.

That makes you a hypocrite.

I said that social responsibility was a factor that I consider when making my shopping decisions. I did not put an absolute on anything in my post. I don't know why you put "very important" social concerns in quotes. Those words never appeared in my post. The fact that you are completely misrepresenting what I said makes you a liar.

When you claim that you shop elsewhere when, in fact, you do admit to shopping there makes you a liar.

I do shop elsewhere. I very rarely shop at WalMart. How does that make me a liar? I guess in your simplified world it has to be one or the other.

Put the two together and it makes you a 'lying hypocrite'. I'm sure even a thumbsucking bedwetter like you can follow along with that.

Put the two together and you have KYOA from here to Bentonville. Like I said, nice try dickhead.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:25 pm

Gay Legend in Phoenix wrote:Ah War Whackoff, thanks for the chance to go off topic on your stupid ass...

Ok, no problem. This should be fun and oh so scary...having a legend in his own mind "go off" on me is a thrill that I don't get everyday.

...you are a KC Royals fan, and while that might not make you a homo, it does make you an incredible fucking loser.

Why is that? I'm not the one doing the losing. I just support my team thru thick and thin, no matter how hard that is to do. I'm certainly not going to ever jump shit, just because they're mired in a horrible stretch. We have unkind words to say about folks who do that sorta' thing...bandwagoneer being one of them.

Wow, I never knew that being a fan of your hometown team who's a perennial loser, also made the fans of said team a loser.

By the way dipshit, St. Louis Cardinal fans are considered to be the greatest and most knowledgeable fans in all of baseball....a far cry from being gay.

More revelations coming in from above, eh? If you're a knowledgable fan, then you can't be gay, and vice versa. You got this all figered out, don't you?

Now then, the Rams uniforms are a little bit suspect, but last I checked, they did WIN the Super Bowl once and were in it twice in the last few years...where were your precious Chiefs?

What do their uni's have to do with anything? As for where the Chiefs were...kicking the sheepshit out of the Lambs the last few times they played. Why? You a closet Lambfan? Does Kurt Warner make you panties glisten? Or are you a 'tardinals fan, being from Phoenix? Yeah, the Chiefs stomped them, too.

Kee-rist! Dude, seriously, almost EVERY team in professional sports plays in corporately sponsored stadium or arena. Hardly an area for smaking.

What is this "smaking" that you speak of? Oh, of course,you meant "smacking"...and au-contraire, it's every bit the area for it. Teams and cities who whore themselves out to the highest bidder for naming rights to their stadiums are always great fodder...especially when the said high bidder company goes belly up and that name don't mean squat anymore. Kinda' like the name Enron Park, or the TWA dome, or Jay in Phoenix, for that matter.

Look 'tard, Cards and Royals fan, Rams and Chiefs fan, love to give each other good natured shit. Duh, it's an intra-state rivalry thingy.

Next time you want to "go off" on someone Jay, try having more than a rubber knife in your limp wristed grip.

trev · Post by **trev** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:31 pm

Thanks for this topic. It needed to be discussed. Too bad we even need to think about where to shop and do business. Makes you long more for the simple life.

I rarely shop at Walmart. Anything they sell is not worth putting up with the trashyness. The last time I shopped there was for the science project embellishments on a Saturday everning. Yesterday I had to exchange some shirts for my son at our local mall. On my way out, out of convenience, so I wouldn't have to make another stop, I ran into Walmart for milk and bread. They had a lot of "associates" standing around not doing much. The milk cooler reaked of sour milk. The store was in disarray as usual. I assume the other stores had to approve this Walmart addition. I'm sure they wanted it because it would bring them more business. But since it arrived there are Walmart shopping carts ALL OVER this mall parking lot. There is trash and cigarette butts all over. Hoodlums abound.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:52 pm

Dinsdale wrote: Us "handwringers"... do this for THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS.

Do what, 'tard? Spend more for a can of Chunky soup than you have to?

Why don't you just go out on the streets and toss your cash away to all the homeless people instead. You'll be "benefitting others", right?

Wal-Mart shopper -- selfish, doesn't care about other embers of their own community = FULL OF THEMSELVES

Dins --- spends massive amounts of time extolling his virtuous, generous, egalitarian, and charitable nature on the internet...rather than actually expending his effort towards practicing what he preaches = SELF ABSORBED, SPINELESS, HYPOCRITICAL DOUCHEBAG

That cover it? Not entirely, but close enough.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:02 am

PSFU and Diego nail it on the head. Wal Mart is a disaster for America.

War the town of Hercules, Ca, for using the seemingly evil Eminent Domain to coldcock the Arkansas Christer-based monstrosity.

As for you pathetic ditto-heads who talk about "survival of the fittest," needless to say you need to Wake The Fuck Up.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:02 am

War Wagon wrote: Why don't you just go out on the streets and toss your cash away to all the homeless people instead.

Who says I don't?

Dins --- spends massive amounts of time extolling his virtuous, generous, egalitarian, and charitable nature on the internet...rather than actually expending his effort towards practicing what he preaches = SELF ABSORBED, SPINELESS, HYPOCRITICAL DOUCHEBAG

That cover it? Not entirely, but close enough.

You know what? That was so unbelievably ignorant, presumptive, and clearly not thought-out, that you just bought yourself another ticket to my "ignore" list. Props. It takes a special kind of stupid to achieve that status...hell, even Sissyroo hasn't accomplished that.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:08 am

trev wrote:Too bad we even need to think about where to shop and do business.

Nope, nobody has ever done that before.

I rarely shop at Walmart. Anything they sell is not worth putting up with the trashyness. The last time I shopped there was for the science project embellishments on a Saturday everning. Yesterday I had to exchange some shirts for my son at our local mall. On my way out, out of convenience, so I wouldn't have to make another stop, I ran into Walmart for milk and bread. They had a lot of "associates" standing around not doing much. The milk cooler reaked of sour milk. The store was in disarray as usual. I assume the other stores had to approve this Walmart addition. I'm sure they wanted it because it would bring them more business. But since it arrived there are Walmart shopping carts ALL OVER this mall parking lot. There is trash and cigarette butts all over. Hoodlums abound.

Man, that's really horrible. I'm sure every WalMart around the globe must be just like this one...except the one or two I regularly do business at. These stores are clean and orderly for the most part, no hoodlums, and no sour milk, either.

Guess I'm just lucky that way.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:13 am

Dinsdale wrote:...you just bought yourself another ticket to my "ignore" list. Props. It takes a special kind of stupid to achieve that status...hell, even Sissyroo hasn't accomplished that.

I knew I should have included a Dins "countdown to ignore" timer in that post. Sorry that you don't like it when someone goes yard on your over-inflated ego, but get the fuck over it, or ignore away. I don't care.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Fri May 26, 2006 1:44 am

Diego in Seattle wrote:It's too bad there's no cows on the west coast.

Sincerely,
everyone who's driven I-5 through Kettleman City

Are you talking about the Cattle Ranch near Los Banos ?

My friend calls that place " Cowschwitz " .

trev · Post by **trev** » Fri May 26, 2006 1:49 am

Wags, I'm glad you are happy with your Walmart. The milk I bought wasn't sour. I imagine it was spilled milk in the cooler and the cooler hadn't been cleaned out lately. Don't you find that cruddy?

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri May 26, 2006 2:12 am

dunno, i wasn't there to be a witness to such obscene cruddiness as spilt milk.

But I'll take your word for it.

Maybe you should write your congressman?

Roofer · Post by **Roofer** » Fri May 26, 2006 2:50 am

Looking at it from a business owner standpoint, one can't fault the powers that be for maximizing profit by looking to lower labor costs, manufacturing costs, etc. Does it make it right? That's open for debate, but it's in the best interest of the shareholders to do so.

From an American worker standpoint, it's jacked up to see jobs go outside the borders. With the push for cheaper labor costs, it's a trend that is likely to continue. Before I move on, I'm still trying to figure out how outsourcing of US jobs overseas is a good thing in the long run, like I read one schmuck saying in a mag I was reading sometime ago. As someone who's company purchases product from suppliers who manufacture said product down in Mexico, I can say that the old addage "you get what you pay for" holds true.

As a Californian living in Orange County, I stay clearly the fuck away from WalMarts simply because it's a fucking joke to get in and out of, and I have no patience for rudeness and folks who are disrespectful and oblivious to what's going on around them. Listen Mrs "Si se puede", try not parking your fucking shopping cart in the MIDDLE of the fucking aisle so you don't create an effective scale model of the 5 fucking freeway at 5pm. Move the fuck out of my way. That said, if I could get in and out of WalMart without dealing with HR4437 types, I'd shop there. I believe in one stop shopping and WalMart is just about the best in that business.

By the way, this threads got some legs!

trev · Post by **trev** » Fri May 26, 2006 3:36 am

War Wagon wrote:dunno, i wasn't there to be a witness to such obscene cruddiness as spilt milk.

But I'll take your word for it.

Maybe you should write your congressman?

If they hadn't cleaned out a stinky milk cooler that was so obvious, I'm guessing they have other issues at their store. Writing anyone about it won't do any good, but thanks anyway.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Fri May 26, 2006 8:20 am

Roofer wrote: By the way, this threads got some legs!

Do you think it's my dashing good looks or my boyish charm?

:wink: :wink:

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:21 pm

Roofer wrote:As someone who's company purchases product from suppliers who manufacture said product down in Mexico, I can say that the old addage "you get what you pay for" holds true.

Ditto, but substitute China for Mexico. Customer will buy from the lowest bidder knowing full well the stuff will come from china or mexico and that it'll be sub-par.

Terry in Crapchester · Fri May 26, 2006 5:44 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Tobacco Companies -- nuetral

Since you didn't weigh in on this one, I will: guilty as charged.

Tobacco companies manufacture and market a product which, when used properly, emits a toxic substance into the lungs of not only its users, but also of those others in the immediate vicinity of said user. For the most part, if you start smoking, one of two things eventually will happen to you -- you will either quit smoking, or the effects of smoking will kill you. Now granted, my father was an exception to that rule, but only because Lou Gehrig's Disease got him before the cancer sticks could. And I could argue that he eventually quit smoking, since he did once Lou Gehrig's robbed him of the ability to light up and hold a cigarette.

The above would be bad enough, but that's not where the evil stops for these folks. They are well aware that most if not all states prohibit the purchase of cigarettes by those under the age of 18. They are also keenly aware of numerous studies which have determined that those who do not begin to smoke before age 18 never will. So what do they do? They market their advertising at adolescents under the age of 18, thereby implicitly encouraging them to break the law. Joe Camel, anyone?

I know you're a smoker, and therefore you are probably inclined to cut these people a little slack, but there's no two ways about it. Bottom line is that Big Tobacco execs are among the most vile, reprehensible people on the face of the planet. They deserve every terrible thing that will happen to them in life -- and then some.

McDonald's -- if you want to eat shitty food and drink 800 degree coffee, knock yourself out. Although in a recent case(a tpoic on this board at the time), a 17 year old McD's employee was killed at work by a psychopath. Fucking bastrads had to be threatened with a boycott, and citizens had to tarnish their name in the media to get McD's to pay for the freaking funeral (the community had already chipped in, since the family was destitute, and the daughter was working there to pay family bills). So, yeah...they're leaning towards corporate scum

Respectfully have to disagree with this one, subject to the disclaimer that I didn't read the thread in question and don't know all the facts. But as I understand it, most McDonald's restaurants are franchises. If a franchisee didn't want to pony up for his employee's funeral, as reprehensible as that is, it cannot, in fairness, be put on the corporation.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Sat May 27, 2006 12:51 am

Regarding the smoking/tobacco conversation, this is pretty long (and it might be a glass dick for all I know), but it's a really good read.

http://www.joejackson.com/smokingissue.htm

However, I'm still going to try to quit this summer.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat May 27, 2006 2:10 am

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:http://www.joejackson.com/smokingissue.htm

Great article. I'd recommend that the anti-smoking nazis not read it, though...it might bring their reason for being crashing down around them.

Hadn't read that before, although I've seen many of those statistics before.

And yes, smokers have less than a 1% chance of dying from lung cancer. Matter of fact, my best friend's dad was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer this week...a nonsmoker. My uncle is dying of lung cancer...a non-smoker.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:For the most part, if you start smoking, one of two things eventually will happen to you -- you will either quit smoking, or the effects of smoking will kill you.

You DEFINITELY shouldn't read that article. You'd feel quite foolish.

I'm not advocating smoking, nor am I suggesting it's in any way good for you. I'm just opposed to bald-faced fucking lies -- which is the smoking-nazi's MO.

Joe Jackson wrote:a majority of us will live into our 70s and die of either some sort of cancer, some sort of heart trouble, or some other ‘smoking-related' disease whether we smoke or not.

D'OH!!!!

Yup, that's right -- the majority of non-smokers will die of a "smoking related" cause. Stats suck when they don't support your cause, eh?

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Bottom line is that Big Tobacco execs are among the most vile, reprehensible people on the face of the planet.

They pale in comparison to the anti-smokers.

To paraphrase Joe Jackson -- would you care to name one person, bar worker, spouse, whoever...who has died from secondhand smoke(I knew the answer to this one before I read that article).

Go ahead, name one. Just one.

Here, I'll save you some time -- you can't. Not one documented case in human history. That's some solid grouds upon which to tell other people how to run their business, eh?

There isn't one credible study ever done giving a solid link to secondhand smoke and adverse health conditions. Not one. But, since fanatical anti-smoking is en vogue, and makes some people feel superior, most people are reluctant to call out these "studies" that are some of the most glaring examples of "junk science" ever to waste paper.

Yet in our witch-hunting society, there's many who want to see legislation passed based upon complete bullshit.

Beef kills WAY more people in this country than cigarettes could ever come close to...I say we outlaw cattle ranches.

RACK Joe Jackson for telling the truth. No one is asking anyone to smoke(save for the marketing departments of tobacco companies) ...just asking them to be honest.

trev · Post by **trev** » Sat May 27, 2006 2:55 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Great article. I'd recommend that the anti-smoking nazis not read it, though...it might bring their reason for being crashing down around them.

Alright.

Did the article address living with emphysema?

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Sat May 27, 2006 3:42 am

I'd recommend that the anti-smoking nazis not read it, though...it might bring their reason for being crashing down around them.

Go ahead and quit smoking, then get back to us. Until you do, you'll be a'prevaricatin'.

Mike, if you quit smoking, there are definitely immediate benefits that you'll enjoy. Quitting is a good thing to do.