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mvscal wrote:We didn't sell them VX nerve agent. We sold them nerve agent antidote which they claimed can be reverse engineered to produce nerve agent.
Goober McTuber wrote:mvscal wrote:We didn't sell them VX nerve agent. We sold them nerve agent antidote which they claimed can be reverse engineered to produce nerve agent.
According to a number of links, we sold them both.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/enti ... 46767-3748
Along with those lab samples of common agricultural pathogens (botulism, anthrax, etc).
No they don't, dumbfuck.mvscal wrote:Your "number of links" all refer back to the same source.Goober McTuber wrote:mvscal wrote:We didn't sell them VX nerve agent. We sold them nerve agent antidote which they claimed can be reverse engineered to produce nerve agent.
According to a number of links, we sold them both.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/enti ... 46767-3748
http://democracyrising.us/content/view/30/74/Between 1985 and 1989, the Senate testimony shows, Iraq received at least 72 U.S. shipments of clones, germs and chemicals ranging from substances that could destroy wheat crops, give children and animals the bone-deforming disease rickets, to a nerve gas rated a million times more lethal than Sarin.
Also see:In December 2002, Iraq 's 1200 page Weapons Declaration revealed a list of Western corporations and countries -- as well as individuals -- that exported chemical and biological materials to Iraq in the past two decades. Many American names were on the list. Alcolac International, for example, a Maryland company, transported thiodiglycol, a mustard gas precursor, to Iraq . A Tennessee manufacturer contributed large amounts of a chemical used to make sarin, a nerve gas implicated in Gulf War diseases.
Damn straight. The FDA has even included MOABs on the food pyramid.Believe the Heupel wrote:Yeah! We'll drop those bombs that are AWESOME for people's safety and the environment!Not advocating Nukes b/c that isnt good for the environment and for people's safety, but we have enough bombs and technology to do more damage than we are doing.
In the Navy we were briefed on those chemical weapons prior to going into battle in the Gulf, and were also briefed on the soviet SCUD missle that'd be used as a delivery system.Sudden Sam wrote:Going into Iraq, you weren't warned of Hussein's ability to hit you with:
sarin, soman, tabun, VX, lewisite, cyanogen chloride, hydrogen cyanide, blister agents, mustard gas, anthrax, clostridium botulinum, histoplasma capsulatum, brucella melitensis, clostridium perfringens or escherichia coli?
I thought you said you were briefed before going into battle.
Well Mikey, thank you for your service in the military. While I would love to refute you, I don't think it would be proper for me, a non military serving hack, to comment.Mikey wrote:I thought those were among the WMDs he was *supposed* to have. If they're nothing to be concerned about, then why were we there in the first place?
Oh yeah, that got changed to bestowing democracy (at the end of a gun) on a deserving population. Something about flowers and stuff, too, if I recall.
Suck that gut in soldier!!Tom In VA wrote:Well Mikey, thank you for your service in the military. While I would love to refute you, I don't think it would be proper for me, a non military serving hack, to comment.Mikey wrote:I thought those were among the WMDs he was *supposed* to have. If they're nothing to be concerned about, then why were we there in the first place?
Oh yeah, that got changed to bestowing democracy (at the end of a gun) on a deserving population. Something about flowers and stuff, too, if I recall.
But I do respectfully disagree. That is of course, if that's okay with General Sudden Sam.
You can lay that one right at the doorstep of the Bush Administration. They put all of their eggs in the WMD basket and when none were found tried to switch gears and sell everyone a different bill of goods.mvscal wrote: Evidently there can only be one, single reason for going to war. I must missed that memo, but if whiny liberal pantloads say so...
Are you disputing the fact that it was based on Senate testimony?mvscal wrote:Yes, they do...dumbfuck. The above propaganda piece was written a mere two weeks after the Sunday Herald article. Coincidence? I think not.Goober McTuber wrote:No they don't, dumbfuck.
http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorintellige ... germs.htmlBetween 1985 and 1989, the Senate testimony shows, Iraq received at least 72 U.S. shipments of clones, germs and chemicals ranging from substances that could destroy wheat crops, give children and animals the bone-deforming disease rickets, to a nerve gas rated a million times more lethal than Sarin.
mvscal wrote:Funny how known survivors of chemical attacks do not share their symptoms. I suppose I'll just have to chalk that one up to you not knowing what the fuck you're talking about again.Considering the tens of thousands of Gulf War veterans who suffered mysterious debilitating illnesses, it’s probably too early to say that zero American soldiers were/will be killed by Iraq's chemical weapons. Dumbfuck.
Although there is not yet a case definition for Gulf War Illness, the chronic signs and symptoms loosely fit the clinical criteria for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and/or Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Some patients have additionally what appears to be neurotoxicity and brainstem dysfunction that can result in autonomic, cranial and peripheral nerve demyelination, possibly due to complex chemical exposures. Often these patients have been diagnosed with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity Syndrome (MCS) or Organophosphate-Induced Delayed Neurotoxicity (OPIDN). Chemically exposed patients can be treated by removal of offending chemicals from the patient's environment, depletion of chemicals from the patient's system and treatment of the neurotoxic signs and symptoms caused by chemical exposure(s). A rather large subset (~40%) of GWI patients have transmittible infections, including mycoplasmal and possibly other chronic bacterial infections, that have resulted in the appearance of GWI in immediate family members and civilians in the Gulf region. It is likely that veterans of the Gulf War who are ill with GWI owe their illnesses to a variety of exposures: (a) chemical mixtures, primarily organophosphates, antinerve agents and possibly nerve agents, (b) radiological sources, primarily depleted uranium and possibly fallout from destroyed nuclear reactors, and (c) biological sources, primarily bacteria, viruses and toxins, before, during and after the conflict. Such exposures can result in poorly defined chronic illnesses, but these illnesses can be treated if appropriate diagnoses are forthcoming.
Iraq didn't declare everything it bought, so the data is incomplete. But they can be presumed to be reliable as far as they go. In general, the pattern of Iraqi behavior with United Nations inspectors was to admit buying something only after learning that the inspectors already knew about it. Thus, it seems logical to assume that the admitted imports actually occurred.
The absence of American firms from this picture does not mean that none supplied Mr. Hussein's mass-destruction weapons programs.
American firms show up on lists of suppliers of anthrax strains to Iraq, and of advanced electronics for nuclear and missile sites.
In other words, it’s quite possible that a number of our veterans have died or will die from exposure to nasty chemicals and nerve gas in Iraq.mvscal wrote:In other words...they haven't a clue.Goober McTuber wrote:mvscal wrote: Funny how known survivors of chemical attacks do not share their symptoms. I suppose I'll just have to chalk that one up to you not knowing what the fuck you're talking about again.Although there is not yet a case definition for Gulf War Illness, the chronic signs and symptoms loosely fit the clinical criteria for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and/or Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Some patients have additionally what appears to be neurotoxicity and brainstem dysfunction that can result in autonomic, cranial and peripheral nerve demyelination, possibly due to complex chemical exposures. Often these patients have been diagnosed with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity Syndrome (MCS) or Organophosphate-Induced Delayed Neurotoxicity (OPIDN). Chemically exposed patients can be treated by removal of offending chemicals from the patient's environment, depletion of chemicals from the patient's system and treatment of the neurotoxic signs and symptoms caused by chemical exposure(s). A rather large subset (~40%) of GWI patients have transmittible infections, including mycoplasmal and possibly other chronic bacterial infections, that have resulted in the appearance of GWI in immediate family members and civilians in the Gulf region. It is likely that veterans of the Gulf War who are ill with GWI owe their illnesses to a variety of exposures: (a) chemical mixtures, primarily organophosphates, antinerve agents and possibly nerve agents, (b) radiological sources, primarily depleted uranium and possibly fallout from destroyed nuclear reactors, and (c) biological sources, primarily bacteria, viruses and toxins, before, during and after the conflict. Such exposures can result in poorly defined chronic illnesses, but these illnesses can be treated if appropriate diagnoses are forthcoming.
http://www.immed.org/illness/gulfwar_il ... earch.html
mvscal wrote: [moving the bar] ...........[/moving the bar]
:bigfatrolleyes:Goober McTuber wrote:Maybe up there in the U & L
[Brit] An automotive vehicle suitable for hauling
Uhm...last I checked, my passport lists me as having two nationalities...American, first and foremost. You'll never freaking guess the other...Goober McTuber wrote:Having lived in a country that actually uses the term on a regular basis, I can tell you that “lorry” is typically a large truck.
No, a master of the obvious. Not surprising that you wouldn't get it, though.mvscal wrote:Yes, of course. Sincerely "a synonym for clueless dumbfuck"Terry in Crapchester wrote:This thread hasn't gone very well for mvscal.
Sin,
Never claimed to be that, but considering that mvscal's racism passes for funny among the majority of this board . . .Goober McTuber wrote:mvscal,
You obviously don’t understand Terry’s subtle brand of humor. You should know by now that Terry is the board egg-spurt on what is and isn’t funny.
His racism isn’t, and never will be, what is funny about mvscal. Oh, master of the oblivious.Terry in Crapchester wrote:Never claimed to be that, but considering that mvscal's racism passes for funny among the majority of this board . . .Goober McTuber wrote:mvscal,
You obviously don’t understand Terry’s subtle brand of humor. You should know by now that Terry is the board egg-spurt on what is and isn’t funny.
If you think you're funny, then you probably think that Jim Carrey and Jerry Lewis are also funny.mvscal wrote:That's right. Oh and sniveling cunts like you will never be funny.
