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Dinsdale wrote:

drummer wrote: And Herron has won once already this season , and placed second in another Tourney . Not bad for a lumpy dude.

OK, you're not that familiar with the Tour. That's OK.

There's certain events that most of the top players take the weekend off, usually to prepare for a "bigger" tourney coming up. These events are usually played mostly by guys scrounging to keep their card, and usually have A LOT of guys playing on exemptions/invites.

These "vacation weekends" are the only time we've heard anything from Herron in recent years. An experienced Tour player going up against struggling scrubs.


Light coming on yet?

That's where you make your bones on the Tour dude .

You have to win in order to get an exemption for a Major .

I'll leave the light on for you , so you can find your way out .

Terry

Well in terms of height, weight and lean body mass he'd be a decent size WR or DB.

drummer wrote:

BSmack wrote:She ran out of gas on Monday.

Yes , be she was right there for 36 holes on Sunday , with some power left to hit out of the thick rough on the back 9 . If she had one birdie more that day , than a whole different story .

I was talking about her running out of gas on Monday. Which did happen. Seriously. Go back and look at what you just quoted me as saying.

She shot a 75 for her 3rd round , and a 69 for her 4th . All on the same day . So she wasn't fading then .

Again, we were talking about Monday. You know, the day AFTER Sunday?

People forget that Hurst took some time off from the Tour to raise children, after she won a Open.

She won the Kraft Nabisco, not the US Womens Open. And she also looked like this 20 years ago.



Even Whitey would have rubbed one out to that.

And even when she won the Kraft Nabisco, she wasn't anywhere near as fat and out of shape as she is now.



Sure, by now Whitey would be completely limp and looking for something in the 13 to 17 age group. But she's by no means obese in 1997. It was after she took her break that she gained the weight.

Thanks for clarifying that , but Singh isn't a total gym rat body sculpter . Put him on an obstacle course with Sergio Garcia , and Garcia would smoke him . Put him on a putting green with Garcia , and Singh would win there .

And that's where it all come down to.

I'm pulling for Villegas to win this year , and think he is the front runner for Rookie of the Year . But he still has to make putts . I'm still pulling for Harrington to win his first major this year also .

But Hefty is playing his best golf ever , and he is considerably larger than he was at the beginning of his career.

Man tits aren't a good sign of fitness either .

So you're telling me that when Vijay Singh says that "I'm in the gym every day" and "Going out there and hitting balls for hours is not the only way to improve." that he is wrong?

Tom In VA wrote:Terry

Well in terms of height, weight and lean body mass he'd be a decent size WR or DB.

Agreed, but you have to be unbelievably quick to play those positions in the NFL. At that size you probably have to run a sub-4.4 40. Can Tiger do that? I doubt it.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Terry

Well in terms of height, weight and lean body mass he'd be a decent size WR or DB.

Agreed, but you have to be unbelievably quick to play those positions in the NFL. At that size you probably have to run a sub-4.4 40. Can Tiger do that? I doubt it.

Maybe Dinsdale the Greek was suggesting he's naturally speedy and therefore a Sub 4.4. 40 is a lock.


Furthermore, I think he might be referring to his overall work ethic, discipline, and ability to achieve objectives.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:According to his website, Tiger is 6'2" and 185 pounds. http://www.tigerwoods.com/content/defau ... iType=6266 That, of course, would render him a little smallish for either the NFL or the NBA, so unless he has the freakish quickness of a Reggie Bush or an Allen Iverson (unlikely), or incredible punting or place-kicking ability (neither one of us knows that he does), then the NFL and the NBA probably would both be out.

If Tiger was a football player, he would have been bulking up more and would conversely weigh more. So to use his current body measurements to project what he would look like if he were training for football, and not golf, is pointless and wrong.

His size would not be a detriment in MLB, of course. But for my money, success in baseball relies more upon certain God-given talent than any other sport. You can't teach the reflexes necessary to hit a 90+ mph fastball, and by and large, you can't develop them, either -- you either were born with them, or you weren't. Most likely, Tiger was not.

I've actualy seen video of Tiger swinging a baseball bat. It was when he was 12. They show it every once in a while on the Golf Channel. Let's just say that he has some serious hand speed.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:At that size you probably have to run a sub-4.4 40. Can Tiger do that?

5-6 years ago?

Probably.

Dude has packed so much power into his frame (and dude works out to stay lean, he could easily bulk up), that too many years of amazing athleticism led him to swing a golf club harder than any person in history, which blew out his knees.


Dude is patched up like Garrison Hurst, et. al.

BSmack wrote:I was talking about her running out of gas on Monday. Which did happen. Seriously. Go back and look at what you just quoted me as saying.

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She shot a 75 for her 3rd round , and a 69 for her 4th . All on the same day . So she wasn't fading then .


Again, we were talking about Monday. You know, the day AFTER Sunday?

And I'm talking about Sunday , you know , where she fought for 36 holes , and posted a better score on the 4th than the 3rd . Show me where the fade happened then .

She won the Kraft Nabisco

I stand corrected .

So you're telling me that when Vijay Singh says that "I'm in the gym every day" and "Going out there and hitting balls for hours is not the only way to improve." that he is wrong?

I'm saying his fitness level doesn't appear to be on the level of Villegas or Garcia , but I admit , that is subjective . The real issue is experience and practice . You don't score low by hitting the gym , you score low by hitting the ball , and practicing your game . Like Johnny Miller said on the Open coverage " The harder you practice , the luckier you get " .

If we see a flood of gym rats winning every Tourney , then that's when I will be totally convinced .

drummer wrote:And I'm talking about Sunday , you know , where she fought for 36 holes , and posted a better score on the 4th than the 3rd . Show me where the fade happened then.

M-O-N-D-A-Y

More specificly on holes 1-9.

I'm saying his fitness level doesn't appear to be on the level of Villegas or Garcia, but I admit, that is subjective . The real issue is experience and practice. You don't score low by hitting the gym, you score low by hitting the ball, and practicing your game.

Actualy, you score low by doing both. Or should I say, you score low MORE often by doing both.

Like Johnny Miller said on the Open coverage " The harder you practice, the luckier you get ".

What you seem to fail to understand is that working out IS a form of practice.

If we see a flood of gym rats winning every Tourney , then that's when I will be totally convinced .

You're already seeing it.

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx ... dv=4114390

Enough of this -- I'm off to go play golf shortly, although at a Par3. But, this Par 3 is on a steep hillside, and actually burns up some energy, especially if we go around for more that 18.

And I'm sure the trends of the last several years at this course, with this core group, will hold true -- towards the end of the day, the guys with the bellies will start sucking wind, and start hitting more errant shots, while the more fit players will be honing in even tighter the longer we play.

MUCH easier to make putts when you're not huffing and puffing(except on a joint). Not open for debate.

Ok , I get it . You don't have an answer for Sunday , where Hurst's conditioing didn't seem a factor , even though they played 36 holes .

Fair enough .

Gore , Herron and Mickelson are on that list . Gore isn't exactly Villegas . Both he and Mayfair are a few shots back of the Cialis .

Again , I'm seeing some lumpy dudes playing competitive Golf .

drummer wrote:Ok , I get it . You don't have an answer for Sunday , where Hurst's conditioing didn't seem a factor , even though they played 36 holes .

Fair enough .

Gore , Herron and Mickelson are on that list . Gore isn't exactly Villegas . Both he and Mayfair are a few shots back of the Cialis .

Again , I'm seeing some lumpy dudes playing competitive Golf .

You'd be losing this argument if you didn't have facts available to prove every point you've made...... :twisted:

No one here has said it's impossible to get a PGA win while being overweight.

What has been said, is it reduces the likelyhood. And this is correct.


But really -- keep patting yourself on the back for not knowing what the fuck you're talking about.

BSmack wrote: Talk to Hale Irwin. He's 8 years older than Stadler and playing better than Stadler. Plenty of golfers have played very well on the Champions Tour into their mid and late 50s. Stadler has peaked on that tour at the ripe old age of 53.

did you notice where I said that the fitness requirement becomes a much larger part of the equation when you get older. This is why a thirty something fatass craig stadler was a major force and a fitty something stadler isn't.

Here is the bottom line. They have to walk on nice soft grass all day long with plenty of rests. They need to whack the shit outta something maybe thirty something times in a round. The rest are finesse shots. They have flunkies bringing them drinks or whatever else they need. They don't lift anything heavier than a driver.

All of this does expel some energy. It might even raise the ole ticker rate a few ticks, but, it ain't the fukking tour de frog.

The fact that to play on this level, they have to do it every fukking day and can still be fat ought to tell you something. Strength training, may or may not help. Cardio, beyond what they get just fukking walking plays little into it.

The Seer wrote:

drummer wrote:Ok , I get it . You don't have an answer for Sunday , where Hurst's conditioing didn't seem a factor , even though they played 36 holes .

Fair enough .

Gore , Herron and Mickelson are on that list . Gore isn't exactly Villegas . Both he and Mayfair are a few shots back of the Cialis .

Again , I'm seeing some lumpy dudes playing competitive Golf .

You'd be losing this argument if you didn't have facts available to prove every point you've made...... :twisted:

BSmack has made his points , and they are all valid . But there are exceptions to the rule , and I do hope that a player like Villegas ( who I'm a fan of ) tears up the Tour .

But I didn't see Mickelson fade during the last Open , nor did I see a complete meltdown from Monty . I just saw some very poor decision making . Of course , some of that had to do with the mental fatigue from the pressure , but Monty had a clutch putt on 17 , and all Hefty had to do was shoot for Par .

And again , Hurst was right there before Monday , after posting a better score the 4th than the 3rd . Now , even if Hurst was 30 pounds lighter , I would still take Annika over Hurst , just because it's Annika , on the playoff round .

Dinsdale wrote:No one here has said it's impossible to get a PGA win while being overweight.

What has been said, is it reduces the likelyhood. And this is correct.


But really -- keep patting yourself on the back for not knowing what the fuck you're talking about.

Keep punching yourself in the balls too .

Maybe that will help you score low today .

drummer wrote:Ok, I get it.

You don't have an answer for Sunday , where Hurst's conditioing didn't seem a factor, even though they played 36 holes. Fair enough.

No, you don't "get it". If you did, you would understand that Hust being a 250 lbs she beast worked against her on Monday. Props to her for gutting it out on Sunday. Had she been in better shape, she would have sealed the deal then and not had to go to a playoff.

Gore, Herron and Mickelson are on that list . Gore isn't exactly Villegas. Both he and Mayfair are a few shots back of the Cialis.

Again, I'm seeing some lumpy dudes playing competitive Golf .

Nobody, including myself, said that lumpy dudes couldn't compete on Tour. What is being said is that lumpy guys, when pushed to the limit, will fail against players in better condition.

But hey, I'll make this real easy for you. I'll make a sig bet with you that Gore and his 11 missed cuts this year don't get within 5 shots of the lead at the end of the day on Sunday. He's already 4 out after posting a round that was a full 2 strokes higher than his year to date scoring average. So I think I'm on pretty solid ground.

BSmack wrote:No, you don't "get it". If you did, you would understand that Hust being a 250 lbs she beast worked against her on Monday. Props to her for gutting it out on Sunday. Had she been in better shape, she would have sealed the deal then and not had to go to a playoff.

Annika shot 2 6's on the front 9 of the 4th , and missed 2 putts that would have sealed the deal on Sunday .

Myabe she needs to ' lighten " up too .

But hey, I'll make this real easy for you. I'll make a sig bet with you that Gore and his 11 missed cuts this year don't get within 5 shots of the lead at the end of the day on Sunday. He's already 4 out after posting a round that was a full 2 strokes higher than his year to date scoring average. So I think I'm on pretty solid ground.

Right now , he is posting a better score than Villegas .

A four-page thread about women's golf.

Keep reaching for that rainbow, boys.

BSmack wrote:

drummer wrote:And I'm talking about Sunday , you know , where she fought for 36 holes , and posted a better score on the 4th than the 3rd . Show me where the fade happened then.

M-O-N-D-A-Y

More specificly on holes 1-3.

FTFY. After she "ran out of gas" for the first three holes, she apparently flipped on the reserve tank, and played Annika almost even the rest of the way. Though if we're having a discussion of "golfing while fat", I should probably defer to your expertise.

Goober McTuber wrote:After she "ran out of gas" for the first three holes, she apparently flipped on the reserve tank, and played Annika almost even the rest of the way.

If you call going +3 for the next 6 holes "playing Annika almost even" you're really reaching for straws. Seriously, just give the fuck up now.

BSmack wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:After she "ran out of gas" for the first three holes, she apparently flipped on the reserve tank, and played Annika almost even the rest of the way.

If you call going +3 for the next 6 holes "playing Annika almost even" you're really reaching for straws. Seriously, just give the fuck up now.

I'd call one stroke difference for the remaining 15 holes "playing Annika almost even".

Goober McTuber wrote:I'd call one stroke difference for the remaining 15 holes "playing Annika almost even".

You know as much about golf as you do about hanging drywall. Hurst was toast at the turn.

I think the Internet might be broken. It seems to think there is a 5 page thread on T1B about the LPGA.

BSmack wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:I'd call one stroke difference for the remaining 15 holes "playing Annika almost even".

You know as much about golf as you do about hanging drywall. Hurst was toast at the turn.

I’ll agree she was pretty much beaten, being down 5 strokes to someone like Sorenstam, but she was not out of gas. She played the back nine of a U. S. Open course one under par.

My drywall is still hanging just fine, thanks for your concern. My old house is up for sale, and when they had an open house a week ago, I went through it. The drywall I put up in that basement (18 years ago) is still hanging too.

Hey, it’s almost 4:00 PM in your neck of the woods. Shouldn’t you be out cheating at golf by now?

Well, if fitness is so important, steroids are just around the corner...maybe after each tournament they should all piss in a cup.

Lance Armstrong must play to no more than a 2.

Goober McTuber wrote:I’ll agree she was pretty much beaten, being down 5 strokes to someone like Sorenstam, but she was not out of gas. She played the back nine of a U. S. Open course one under par.

She was out of gas when it mattered.

BTW: This isn't the first time I've seen Hurst run out of gas. I was at the Rochester LPGA event 2 weeks ago and witnessed her lumbering around to a 75-75-MC-MC finish. Not so coincidentaly, it was hot and humid and the course in question is fairly hilly.

My drywall is still hanging just fine, thanks for your concern. My old house is up for sale, and when they had an open house a week ago, I went through it. The drywall I put up in that basement (18 years ago) is still hanging too.

Let's let Dinsdale be the judge of that.

Hey, it’s almost 4:00 PM in your neck of the woods. Shouldn’t you be out cheating at golf by now?

I'm actualy thinking about skipping golf today. Too many other pressing issues. But if I do play, it will be a solo trip and IAWTROG.

The Seer wrote:Well, if fitness is so important, steroids are just around the corner...maybe after each tournament they should all piss in a cup.

Lance Armstrong must play to no more than a 2.

Steroids are a bad mix for golfers. Could you imagine Steve Pate on steroids? He wouldn't keep a caddy for a week.

Goober McTuber wrote:I'd call one stroke difference for the remaining 15 holes "playing Annika almost even".

It would have been a different story if Hurst wasn't down 3 at that point. Annika just had to play par golf the rest of the way and not take any silly chances, which she didn't.

MuchoBulls wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:I'd call one stroke difference for the remaining 15 holes "playing Annika almost even".

It would have been a different story if Hurst wasn't down 3 at that point. Annika just had to play par golf the rest of the way and not take any silly chances, which she didn't.

You’re right, she didn’t. Play par golf the rest of the way, that is. :wink:

BSmack wrote: People forget that Hurst took some time off from the Tour to raise children, after she won a Open.

I didn't forget it. I never knew about it in the first place. Thankfully.

She won the Kraft Nabisco, not the US Womens Open. And she also looked like this 20 years ago.



Even Whitey would have rubbed one out to that.

Dude, I wouldn't fuck that with your dick. Maybe you would have, being as how you were all familiar with her 20 years ago and stuff.

And even when she won the Kraft Nabisco, she wasn't anywhere near as fat and out of shape as she is now.



But she's by no means obese in 1997. It was after she took her break that she gained the weight.

Who gives a fuck what she looked liked 10 or 20 years ago? I'm talking about what she looks like now, which is an obscenely fat skank filling up my TV screen and being a horrible affront to eyeballs everywhere.

Mix in a salad and a treadmill, bitch.

A thread about women's golf that hits 5 pages???


Shut this fucking sordid clambake down NOW.

Cicatrix wrote:A thread about women's golf that hits 5 pages???


Shut this fucking sordid clambake down NOW.

No shit, huh.

Cicatrix wrote:A thread about women's golf that hits 5 pages???

Actually, it's not all about womens golf. There were some abortive drive-bye lameass pile on attempts, a few hottie pics, much discussion and debate about mens golf and cardio-vascular fitness in general. Not to mention the all encompassing under current topic of "are golfers really athletes"?

You and any others who object can spare me the righteous indignation.... whilst you continue to add to the post totals.

LPGA has come a long way. Aside from the pervs capturing up-skirt shots, you would never see today's players presenting themselves like Jan Stephenson did in 1983. If so, post em here.

War Wagon wrote:Dude, I wouldn't fuck that with your dick. Maybe you would have, being as how you were all familiar with her 20 years ago and stuff.

Come on man. I thought you were totaly into Asian teens. Wassup?

Who gives a fuck what she looked liked 10 or 20 years ago? I'm talking about what she looks like now, which is an obscenely fat skank filling up my TV screen and being a horrible affront to eyeballs everywhere.

I bet you love watching John Daly.

Tell me, what kind of message does that send to your daughter?

Mix in a salad and a treadmill, bitch.

She should. For her own health though. Not because you are offended by her.

BSmack wrote:
Tell me, what kind of message does that send to your daughter?

I dunno...much like any teenager, she quit listening to me about 6 or 7 years ago.

I'll tell you this though. She could've excelled in golf or tennis or whatever, if the opportunity had been there.

Still, she'll be fine.

Over/Under on her listening to me again is 25.

Goober McTuber wrote:You’re right, she didn’t. Play par golf the rest of the way, that is. :wink:

Having a 5 shot lead makes things a bit easier :wink: .