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Jsc810 wrote:Dude, I could care less about the angle of impact.

Because you are a no-thinking tard.

The remains of the passengers and the plane were in the Pentagon.

Says who?

How did they get there?

Who knows? Certainly not you.

RACK Luth.

Tom In VA wrote: But I do expect you, the one prosecuting this "case" to bring evidence that counters all the evidence to which you've been linked and that's been posted here.

A list of names and a site that does not address half of what I brought up?

You've been countered in the court of T1B and the jury has found your arguments to be:

A jury is impartial you dodo head. You all have made up your minds already. How is that impartial?

Now it's time, for you, to take your show to the real court since you haven't found what you're looking for amidst a bunch of hacks and few lawyers that think you're a ..... tool.

Court isn’t till 1:30 at which time the charges against my client will be dropped.

BTW: Among my aquaintances are first responders, personnel both military and civilian working there. I"ll take their word over yours any day of the week.

Tool

And what did they have to say about finding bodies and plane parts? What did they say about the punch out hole or the lawn or the lamp posts or the spools or the generator?

Well, .333 is good in baseball.

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Moving Sale wrote:No, you go ahead and post from the link where those 5 things are explained away. If it is so easy, even you should be able to pull it off.

Then you'll have to be more specific about these 5 things and what your "bone of contention" is. I'll see what I can do after you provide the details.

1) The angle of impact.
2) The impact hole.
3) The generator.
4) The lawn.
5) The lamp-posts.

Luther wrote:

Well, .333 is good in baseball.

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A is obviously Poa. How you could miss that is simply beyond me.

The Whistle Is Screaming wrote: 2) The impact hole.

Why is it smaller than 77?

Jsc,
A report by the government to prove the government is not full of shit?

Luth,
Suck the Government's cock much?

Moving Sale wrote: 2) The impact hole.

Why is it smaller than 77?

It's not ...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911 ... dence.html

Here is the hole in the building - it's been reported by at least a dozen different sources (including conspiracy theory sites) to be a 16 to 20 foot hole. That is really interesting when you take into account the fact that the 757 body is 12 ft 4in wide and 13 ft 6in high. (Here is where I was mistaken in the past, like so very many others I was led astray by the HEIGHT of the aircraft, which is actually the measurement from the wheels-down to the tip of the tail. That measurement is for aircraft hangar clearance, not the SIZE of the aircraft.) The 757 is basically a cylinder that is 13 feet across. It then should not be surprising that it would create something around a thirteen foot hole in the side of the building.

Next ...

Jsc810 wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:Jsc,
A report by the government to prove the government is not full of shit?

You expect to refute The 9/11 Commission Report with that?

I just did.

Okay hot shot, show me where it explains WTC 7's demise.

The Whistle Is Screaming wrote:The 757 is basically a cylinder that is 13 feet across. It then should not be surprising that it would create something around a thirteen foot hole in the side of the building.

Planes fly without wings? Without engines? Really? And I'm the woofy one? What happened to the wings? The engines? And just what % of the weight of the plane was in the wings and engines?

Moving Sale wrote:

The Whistle Is Screaming wrote: 2) The impact hole.

Why is it smaller than 77?

Only in Warner Brothers cartoons does the Coyote leave a cookie-cutter outline of himself as he crashes into the rock face. In the real world (someplace that the "pod people" need to spend more time in) collisions are more complex. Airplanes do not make clean outline holes in buildings they collide with any more than cars make clean outline holes in walls they collide with. The Pentagon, built mostly of wood and concrete, and in that one section having been recently reinforced, is a heavy and solid object. Jet aircraft, designed to be able to fly, are very thin and lightweight. They are, if you think about it, mostly filled with air, like an aluminum balloon. They are not designed to penetrate other objects or to remain intact while doing so.

Take a glass Christmas ornament and hurl it against a brick wall. Do you get a round opening in the brick wall the size of the ornament? No, of course not. Neither will an aluminum plane leave a clean outline of itself crashing into concrete. In the case of the plane, there are subassemblies which are heavy and solid, such as the engines, the frames supporting the landing gear, cockpit avionics, the potable water tanks, APU, etc. On impact, these would break loose from the aircraft and continuing forward, produce smaller holes.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

Visit any one of several hundred vertical or near-vertical high-speed crash sites and you will observe a strange phenomena – the aircraft all seem to vanish into relatively small holes. There is no easy explanation for this, but rest assured I speak from direct experience.

In the early sixties we were sent out to find the crash site of an English Electric Lightning Mach 2 fighter, which went in vertically at nearly 400 miles per hour during an aerobatics display. Despite having a wingspan of 35 feet, the Lightning impact crater measured only 22 feet across. Did we find the wings lying around in the field next door? No, we did not.

http://www.geocities.com/roboplanes/757.html

This thread is funny. TVO, you are a hoot.

Carry on.

Moving Sale wrote:

The Whistle Is Screaming wrote:The 757 is basically a cylinder that is 13 feet across. It then should not be surprising that it would create something around a thirteen foot hole in the side of the building.

Planes fly without wings? Without engines? Really? And I'm the woofy one? What happened to the wings? The engines? And just what % of the weight of the plane was in the wings and engines?

Nobody said the "whole" plane went through intact. The photos on that link (if you even looked) show parts of the engines and other plane debris.

If you're not going to take this seriously, then I won't bother.

Debunking the 9/11 Myths

Big Plane, Small Holes
CLAIM: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."

The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile--part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."


FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

Moving Sale wrote:Luth,
Suck the Government's cock much?

I believe they are funding his retirement.

socal wrote:

A picture of a torn up Diet Pepesi can supports your argument how?

Sincerely,

TVO

"There's a man on the wing
of this plane!!"



"Told ya so!!"

mvs, please don't get him started.

any minute, he'll be detailing that whole "moon-landing" hoax again

what a sad sad little man.

Democratic Underground makes TVO look practically sane.

The Ringleaders of the latest Bomb Plot?

If you guessed Bush, Cheney & Rove, you win!

Smackie, The 'plane' did not crash at "vertical or near-vertical" now did it? Your link says a 35 ft plane made a 22 ft. hole. There is a big difference between that and a 124ft' plane making a 13ft hole now isn't there?

Jsc said "More Americans were killed on 9/11/01 than were killed on 12/7/41. "

And that is proof of what?

TWIS,
I was serious. What was the weight of the wings (with engines) in relation to the fuselage? It is a pretty easy question to answer. And if you don't know, how can you be sooooo sure you are right that 77 hit the pentagon?

socal said "the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns"

How do you know that?

"A body in motion...."

Moving Sale wrote:I was serious.

Way to remove all doubt regarding your status as a dumbfuck.

Yeah, like this wasn't a conspiracy either. That hole is way bigger than the truck that had the explosive. Had to be Karl Rove setting up Bush's eventual theft of the elections.

TVDwarf

One side of the Pentagon was damaged in a deliberate Illuminati attempt to release the "Old One" named Cthulhu. He was imprisoned within the magicks of the 5-sided structure, and only by breaching one wall of the mystic cell could he finally be freed.

Damn, it was all spelled out by Robert Anton Wilson in his "Illuminatus!" trilogy! Don't any of you freaks read anything?!?!?

Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that the rock concert at Ingolstadt was just an innocent show and that the Nazis rising from the lake were just an accident....

Don't let THEM immanentize the Eschaton!!!

Fnord.

Mike

Thanks for seting us all straight....

sin

Air America Radio

New rules at the airport

A senior congressional source said it is believed the plotters planned to mix a British sports drink with a gel-like substance to make a potent explosive that could be ignited with an MP3 player or cell phone.

The sports drink could be combined with a peroxide-based paste to form a potent "explosive cocktail," if properly done, said a U.S. counterterrorism official.

"There are strong reasons to believe the materials in a beverage like that could have been part of the formula," the official said.
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No more electrical devices on planes... No more beverages to be brought on planes.

http://www.yahoo.com/s/366426

No more tooth paste, hair gel,

No more chemicals, No more explosives...

Passengers must submit to anal probes..

At least that's what the guy told me today!!

Anal Probes ?


That scene in "Man on Fire" comes to mind. Wouldn't put it past them, what's a little anal discomfort for a few hundred dead infidels and 72 virgins.

Any new rules for Amtrak trips?

RACK Luther.

Jsc810 wrote:What the hell happened at the Pentagon? Go ahead, tell us.

The Pentagon was run.

The PrimeX made a funnay

I'm sure to some who read this it'll seem like I'm just whining and complaining but I'm just more or less venting frustration. Think about it. Why do people still fly now a days???

Since 9/11 flying has absolutely sucked. Yes, it's a little safer, but since then there has been increased amounts of bullshit involved just to get on the plane and yet fares are still very high and the gas prices don't help matters any at all. In addition to the high costs of flying, you get little in return except for quick transport to your destination. Otherwise, you're very limited on what you can bring on board a plane, you're told when and not when to use a little MP3 player and as far as snacks go you're now getting charged $3 for a tiny snack pack that probably can cost $1 at a 7-11! What's next? Charging $4 for that tiny glass of ice mixed with a few drops of soda??

And now after the events that happened overnight, this whole flying thing has just reached a whole new level of bullshitness. Because of terrorist plots on planes from the UK to the US, people flying domestically can't even bring a simple bottle of water on an airplane!!! In addition, we need to get to the airports 2-3 hours in advance so they can search us and make sure we don't have any of those dangerous tubes of toothpaste or life threatening bottles of hand lotion. What's next? Not allowing any baggage on board and we have to be strip searched at the check points??

I've had it. I have decided that FLYING OFFICIALLY SUCKS-ASS (as opposed to just sucks before today) and I have no idea why people even take the time to deal with airlines bullshit and other crap in addition to high fares.

The realistic solution? Just get in the car and drive. Yes it will take much longer (usually) and last I checked the interstate highway system is never under terrorist attack, the TSA doesn't give a crap what you bring into your cars or what you take across state lines (yes there are some exceptions but I won't get into that) and last I checked there are no security checkpoints to get into your car and drive the interstates. Plus, you can listen to your music whenever you want, you don't have to worry about someone taking your Pepsi and accusing you of being a terrorist. While food is more expensive, you actually get to eat FOOD! What a concept!

So in conclusion, I encourage everyone not to fly. It's just not worth it once you really think about it.

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Sir, kindly take your seat and STFU or the air marshall will quickly immobilize you. Here's a pillow.

Anybody remember when you could, believe it or not, fire up a heater on an airplane .... ?

Now THOSE were the days.

Thankfully those days are long gone.

socal wrote:Thankfully those days are long gone.

Thankfully they took this piece of shit airline with 'em too

Bank of England released the names of the 19 losers:

The bank released the following names: Abdula Ahmed Ali, Cossor Ali, Shazad Khuram Ali, Nabeel Hussain, Tanvir Hussain, Umair Hussain, Umar Islam, Waseem Kayani, Assan Abdullah Khan, Waheed Arafat Khan, Osman Adam Khatib, Abdul Muneem Patel, Tayib Rauf, Muhammed Usman Saddique, Assad Sarwar, Ibrahim Savant, Amin Asmin Tariq, Shamin Mohammed Uddin, and Waheed Zaman.

The oldest person on the list, Shamin Mohammed Uddin, is 35. The youngest, Abdul Muneem Patel, is 17.

What a shock, all muzzies.

You didn't get the sarcasm.

The bank released the following names: Aua Ae Ai, oo Ai, aa ua Ai, aee uai, ai uai, ai uai, Ua Ia, aee aai, Aa Aua a, aee Aaa a, Oa A ai, Au uee ae, ai au, uae Ua aiue, Aa aa, Iai aa, Ai Ai ai, ai oae Ui, a aee aa.
What a shock, all muzzies.

For shits and giggles, I went in and removed all the consonants from their names. I still didn't know any of them. Actually, I thought that if you used a voice actuator deal, that this would be the sounds emanating from a Peter North movie.

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