The Big 10 is evolving into the Pac 10

[Van]

Real life meeting between Dins and Van...

Dins...the guy next to my cell, suddenly and mysteriously struggling to annunciate.

Van...Hannibal Lecter.

[Dinsdale]

They may be delusions but at least they're funny....mostly because everyone knows they're bullshit.

Of course. Naturally, I spin "bullshit" yarns about striking out with the hotties, and going home with chicks that inspire me to chew my arm off, so as not to disturb them.

You've got it all figured out, champ.

Dude, just because chicks run from you to flock to Jess, don't assume that the rest of us don't actually have sex with women.


I'm pretty sure if I was bullshitting, I could do better than "egads, that was one heinous old bitch I tagged last night."


You really are a moron, aren't you?

But hey -- keep on declaring victory in the form of "thanks for the BP." Because goodness knows, it takes a true stalwart of the smack game to break out that one.

Hey, remember that time when Mace had that funny post?

Me neither. Somebody notify me if this douche ever does anything notable.


And Vannar -- please leave me out of your "naughty cellmate" fantasies...it's more than a little disturbing.

[The Seer]

There's a lot of emotion flowing from the keyboards here tonight. Keep it going.

[Dinsdale]

Are you still suffering from those delusions in which you're funny, entertaining, and not a plunger-peacock?

[GreginPG]

I could go on, but those who know me like Greg understand where my hatred comes from. Hell I hate them so much I'm not sure I'd even let Greg into my house if he ever grew the balls to come to LA.....Oh, greg...BTW the Celts lost to Edison in the first round of the playoffs......

You could go on? That's a given. Nothing or no one will shut you up. ;)

Oh and I'm pretty sure you'd let me in. If I showed up with my golf clubs slung over one shoulder and a couple of 6-packs of a good adult beverage, you'd open that door wide.

Now I'm not exactly sure where I'd sleep but I'll worry about that when I grow a pair.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I think I hate Charlie Weiss more than LAX hates USC. I want to see a play ran to ND's sideline this week so Weiss can be Paterno'd just so I can see if gravy pours out of Weiss' leg after it breaks

SoCalTrjn, why on earth do you hate Weis?? The guy's pure class. Yeah, he's grotesquely fat . . .

So we're back to the old "Charlie Weis is fat" staple. Jesus H. Christ on a cross, do you guys actually have a college football take?

You sound like a bunch of catty old women. If I wanted to talk college football with them, I'd invite my wife's home interiors group over . . .

[Terry in Crapchester]

I think I hate Charlie Weiss more than LAX hates USC. I want to see a play ran to ND's sideline this week so Weiss can be Paterno'd just so I can see if gravy pours out of Weiss' leg after it breaks

SoCalTrjn, why on earth do you hate Weis?? The guy's pure class. Yeah, he's grotesquely fat . . .

So we're back to the old "Charlie Weis is fat" staple. Jesus H. Christ on a cross, do you guys actually have a college football take?

You sound like a bunch of catty old women. If that's who I wanted to talk college football with, I'd invite my wife's home interiors group over . . .

Terry in Buttchester . . .

Jeez, Dins, for somebody who spends so much time in here claiming this is the best you can do? If so, stick to the "Let me tell you about the skank I nailed last night" posts. Those are at least mildly entertaining for those of us still young enough to remember our single days. Evidently Mace isn't in that group. :wink:

And since I've ragged on everyone else for not giving a college football take, now that I've had a little time to digest this week's events, here's mine on the topic, fwiw . . .

The one scenario that has me concerned is this: ND beats USC, Arkansas beats LSU and Florida in the SEC championship game. If I'm following the reasoning that's been going on here, I think most in here think Arkansas deserves the shot in that event.

My question is: why? Arkansas is currently ranked below both Michigan and ND, so the only way they get a shot is if they leapfrog both Michigan and ND. Both LSU and Florida are good teams, but I don't think a home win against LSU and a win against Florida on a neutral field are enough to leapfrog #2 Michigan, or a Notre Dame team which would have a road win against USC under its belt (as Van is constantly reminding us, USC currently has the nation's longest home undefeated streak.)

Most people here seem to think that ND's early-season blowout loss to Michigan cost them their shot at the national title. If that's the case, shouldn't Arkansas' early-season bigger blowout loss to USC, a team which, under this scenario anyway, isn't even in the national championship picture, cost them as well, particularly in light of the fact that ND would have actually beaten USC?

As I've said before, I'm not a big fan of regular season rematches in the postseason under the status quo, but here, realistically, I don't see another alternative. But if you're gonna give another team a shot, in this scenario it has to be ND over Arkansas, at least imho.

[Van]

Terry, yeah, Arkansas' early season home blowout loss WILL cost them any chance at the national title...if USC is left still standing.

Same principle as Michigan-ND. Head to head trumps all, especially head to head embarassment for the home team.

Now, if USC goes down, it then becomes a choice between Michigan and Arkansas (or a one loss Florida). ND still isn't in the running, period, because Michigan is still there. ND is out now, regardless. They dropped out of the running the moment the final gun went off in Columbus and Michigan became nothing more than a potential #2. ND HAD to have Michigan winning that game in order for ND to stay alive in the title chase.

Now the shoe is on the other foot as Michigan HAS to have ND (or UCLA) beating USC or they're done in the title chase. Gotta suck for Michigan, having to pin their hopes on ND...

Choosing between a one loss Michigan and a one loss Arkansas, that one's tough.

Wins against Wisconsin and ND don't stack up against wins against Auburn, Tennessee, LSU and Florida.

I'd still entertain the notion though that Arkansas' loss was SOOO thorough that when you add in the additional fact of Auburn being a bit overrated choosing between Michigan and Arkansas becomes pretty much a toss up.

Florida? Nah. No toss up there. Florida's only loss was very similar to Michigan's: close, on the road, in conference, in a (quasi) rivalry game, to a highly ranked opponent.

Two differences:

-The SEC has a CCG so whereas Michigan didn't win their conference Florida still could.

-A one loss Florida's S.O.S. and their Quality Wins (Tennessee on the road, LSU and Arkansas) easily surpass Michigan's, plus Florida will have won their two main rivalry games, FSU and Georgia.

As for you getting your panties in a wad again over Weis, hey, follow the chronology there in that thread. SoCalTrjn said he hated Weis, and ALL he pointed to as a reason was Weis being fat. I then came in and said, yeah, he's grotesequely fat (had to give SoCalTrjn that one, since it seemed to be his only point), but other than that Weis has shown himself to be pure class so why hate him JUST because he's fat?

I wasn't harping on the guy being fat. I gave a perfectly reasonably response, Terry; roughly the same response you'd give, in fact.

[Dinsdale]

It's all about the playoff fomat. Michigan lost to a top-tier team when it counted. They're out. OSU is better than Michigan, or they were on the day it counted.

ND lost to a top-tier team(on their own foeld, no less). Michigan was MUCH better on the day that mattered. They're out.

If USC and Arkansas win out, then Arkansas lost to a top-tier team, they're out.

If Florida wins out, they become the unproven top-tier team, and they deserve their shot, which will be a tough debate between them and USC. I guess that's where the computers kick in and make an evaluation between USC and Florida, along with the pollsters.

At this point, those are the teams that I believe deserve consideration.

Because the "playoffs" start in September.

Don't like it? The don't lose games. If USC, ND, Arkansas, or Florida didn't lose a game, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Last I checked, single-elimination playoff require that you win every game. Just call it a 13-game round robin, and there you go.


On a not-very-related note...Troy Smith is so damn good it's silly. What a winner that guy is. His arm reminds me of Bubby Brister, with a little better sense of the game.

[Dinsdale]

Jeez, Dins, for somebody who spends so much time in here claiming :bode:

Link?

Uhm...I'm the antithesis of "if you claim it, it will come." Any reference I may ever make to my BODE is either sarcastic, or disguised within an attempt at humor within the context of the "debate."

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I'm not trying to be funny or entertaining

And for that we're all gracious.

[Dinsdale]

I'm not trying to be funny or entertaining, douchebag. This is the CFB Forum, dumbass, where we discuss college football.

This argument gets dumber all the time.

Only because you've joined the discussion.

Mace

"Did you pay a ghost writer" is what you consider great stuff? Are you MGO in sheep's clothing or just another know-it-all who tries to convince us his fantasies are real life adventures? Now go grab a cordless drill an do what you do best.....suck on it.

Mace

Yes, yes it does.....and it has to suck being you. Delusions of Grandeur are not uncommon on message boards, douchebag, but your case is one for the psych journals. MGO sucking your dick doesn't make you special, dude.....it only means that you're as desperate as him.

Mace

LOL!!! Wow, the delusional Dins is puffing up and trying to act tough.....that's some really funny shit there, delusional one. Yep, it ranks right up there with all of your delusional conquests of pussy and other bullshit stories where you're the self proclaimed expert. :roll: Face it, dipshit, you're like all of the other know-it-alls who live in a fantasy world to escape the miserable realities of their life......just another loser with a big mouth. Have a nice fuckin' day.

Mace

Oh come on....give us another story of your sexual exploits. :roll: They may be delusions but at least they're funny....mostly because everyone knows they're bullshit. You remind me of one of my high school pitchers, a special ed kid, who looks pretty good against the bad teams on our schedule, which gets him to thinking that he's an all-stater, but looks like he's throwing batting practice when he faces a good team. Thanks for the BP, douchebag.

Mace

Hey, remember the topic where the self absorbed dins didn't claim to be an expert?

Bueller?

Class?

Anyone?


Nope, me either.

And for the record, moron, I do believe that you've nailed some ugly skanks in your lifetime because, hell, no one would ever expect you to nail anything BUT ugly skanks. But it's the delusional stories about the hotties that are the funny ones.....great fiction....probably drug induced, but great fiction all the same.

Try throwin' some fastballs, dumbass.....you're change ain't foolin' anybody. Oh, that was your fastball? My bad.

Mace

Mace, I was wondering if you could do me a little favor?

Would you care to point out which of these posts of yours were trying to "discuss college football"?

Is MGO a coach of a D1 team, or a pollster, and the rest of us don't know about it? According to your speculation, none of the skanks I bang are or ever were college football cheerleaders.

And aside from the ones reponding to your unprovoked attacks, would you care to point out which posts of mine in this thread weren't discussing college football?



TIA

[Van]

If USC and Arkansas win out, then Arkansas lost to a top-tier team, they're out.

If Florida wins out, they become the unproven top-tier team, and they deserve their shot, which will be a tough debate between them and USC. I guess that's where the computers kick in and make an evaluation between USC and Florida, along with the pollsters.

At this point, those are the teams that I believe deserve consideration.

Agreed. Either USC or Florida would be more deserving than Michigan but yeah, come to think of it, choosing between a one loss Florida and a one loss USC would be difficult.

I'm not sure USC would be "better than Florida" but if both teams win their next two games in relatively equal fashion I am sure that USC will get the nod over Florida.

-They're already ranked higher

-S.O.S.

-A late season monster game win over Bob Weis, Brady Quinn and resurgent ND and then the capper the following week against bitter cross town rival UCLA. Rightly or wrongly, beating ND late in the year is always a huge polls swaying coup for USC. It's one of the two or three biggest rivalry games in all of CF football and this year in particular ND is coming in hot.

USC will get the nod. I can't necessarily say though that Florida wouldn't have a legitimate gripe. Florida would have a legitimate gripe. Somebody's gotta lose though in this fucked up system we have and if USC wins out the teams that are going to lose are Michigan and a one loss SEC champ.

[RadioFan]

Let's also not forget that OSU will've had to've sat, what, four years, six months and twenty eight days between today's victory and the BCS title game?

Hey, Lax? Is this another one of the great "traditions" of CF?

RF...I'm not sure what tradition you're speaking of.

In the context of my statement, the tradition would be sarcasm, dude. As in, it's simply idiotic for a team like tOSU to play the MNC game 6 1/2 weeks after Saturday's game, when we could have a playoff.

Hey, now there's an idea for the NFL ... do away with the playoffs, take the teams with the best NFC and AFC records (hey, if there's a tie, we can invent a rankings "system"), let all the other teams play one more game "just for traditions' sake," with parades and corporate sponsors and shit, wait 4-6 weeks and then have the Super Bowl.

This argument gets dumber all the time.

Well, it is the fucking BCS we're arguing about here ...

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

RF's post brings something to mind. In the NFL, the best regular season team often does not win the Super Bowl. Often doesn't even reach the Super Bowl. Same goes for most other sports, really. Yet, in college, we're content to crown the "regular season champ," i.e., almost any BCS team that goes undefeated (or in some cases one loss), with a berth into the title game. If the NFL did the same, the Colts would be one hell of a dynasty, wouldn't they?

A playoff ensures that any participant took care of their business in the regular season, hence, the regular season has great significance. And when you get into the playoffs, you're required to beat the best, which means you're required to PLAY your best. Sure, in CF, you could argue that the regular season is a "one and done" playoff format, meaning you must play your best week in and week out to avoid that dreaded L, but the part that's being left out is the "beating the best" scenario. Most major conference teams will only face their conference's best, and not the nation's best. And when that illustrious 0 or 1 loss team gets to the MNC game to face their opponent, that could very well be only the 2nd or 3rd true test the team has had ALL YEAR. Therefore...do we REALLY know that the two teams that are there at the end of the year are the best? How can we really know that, when neither team will have fully tested itself in a way only a playoff can prove? A playoff pitting the best of the best is your best chance at increasing the legitimacy of a champion -- because not only do you have to play your absolute best football, you have to do it against the best. HUGE difference between bringing your A game against Northwestern at home, and then that tough roadie @ Purdue, and bringing your A game against Florida and then USC on national TV. I've got a feeling you're going to get up a tad bit more for the latter two games. And yeah, I know this is all obvious -- so this question begs to be answered -- HOW could you be against that?

Oh, and one other thing...for the people who like to harp so much on the sacred "one and done" methodology we have, well...it really isn't necessarily one and done, now is it? Hello? Does this season ring a bell? I can go back further if you'd like.

Well, at least, you're certainly not out of it after one loss. That's for damn sure. Decent preseason rankings will favorably dictate your fate later on, if you're one of the heavy hitters which just so happens to "slip up," even to a "horrible Oregon St. team."

Yep. SC could wind up in the title game with a loss to an unranked Oregon St team. I ask you: WHERE'S YOUR PRECIOUS "ONE AND DONE" BULLSHIT NOW? HUH?

It's two and done, motherfuckers. Get it right.

[Van]

Two and done then. Yep. Airtight.

Man Law.

[RadioFan]

Very nice, mgo.

RACK.

[PSUFAN]

going home with chicks that inspire me to chew my arm off, so as not to disturb them.

heh heh...damn, that's funny.

[Laxplayer]

Greg, I'd let you in just because of the golf clubs and beer, however due to the fact that you're an SC fan you sleep outside with the dog....whose name BTW is Brady.......Now, as I'm getting busy with the wife, then it would be an appropriate time to root for the Trojans....or at least a trojan.

[Van]

Shouldn't you name your dogs after somebody at ND who actually won something at some point??

:-)

"Joe" or "Rocket", maybe? Those are good, solid dog names. "Knute" or "Ara" would sound kinda gay.

"Domer" would rule as a dog name, actually.

[Laxplayer]

Van, I actually thought of Domer because the dog is a beagle and has some gold on her head but if you're married you know you have to clear everything through the Mrs........so since she's a Patriots fan I thought of Brady for both Tom and Quinn.

[GreginPG]

Greg, I'd let you in just because of the golf clubs and beer, however due to the fact that you're an SC fan you sleep outside with the dog....whose name BTW is Brady.......Now, as I'm getting busy with the wife, then it would be an appropriate time to root for the Trojans....or at least a trojan.

You know what? I was gonna say that I would probably end up with the dog but I didn't want to plant any ideas in your head in case that one didn't cross your mind.

I'm not a huge dog fan so I think I'll pass, especially one named Brady.

OK. Guess I'm gonna have to throw in some bräts, and perhaps a top shelf vodka or single malt scotch. Maybe a cigar or three.
Will that at least get me a couch?

[Laxplayer]

That may get you close to the porch. It's gonna take a little more to get you into the house........then we're talking floor. Couch? Maybe because you're a Celt brother........

[GreginPG]

That may get you close to the porch. It's gonna take a little more to get you into the house........then we're talking floor. Couch? Maybe because you're a Celt brother........

Wow, that's kind of harsh.

Where's the nearest motel?

[Laxplayer]

It's not that harsh......whenever my kids have friends come over and they're wearing ANYTHING that resembles $C, I make them take it off before they enter my domain. Maybe I could make an exception for you.....maybe though......

[GreginPG]

It's not that harsh......whenever my kids have friends come over and they're wearing ANYTHING that resembles $C, I make them take it off before they enter my domain. Maybe I could make an exception for you.....maybe though......

Yeah but that's cuz they are your kids' friends.

I may have to fight you.

[Laxplayer]

Hey, with me as a father they're lucky to have friends.