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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:30 am
by Van
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:31 am
by Dinsdale
Adelpiero wrote:and jimfeist has byu as -5, yahoo has oregon -4 1/2
As I mentioned earlier, the
initial spread for a CFB game rarely deviates from the Sagarin Predictor very much, and by that, Oregon should get somewhere in the +4.5 - +5.5 range.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:35 am
by Dinsdale
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:For a guy who hates the Beaves so much, Dins sure spends a ton of time defending them.
Not a bit -- just calling them like I see them.
And what I saw was a USC loss.
And what I see happening is the OSU's secondary sending Mizzou's recievers home in body bags.
It's not "defending" them so much, but using my unwanted familiarity with them to make predictions. During fall, sports talk around these parts unfortunately consists of beavertalk nearly half the time. These clowns can't fart or fuck a sheep without me hearing about it.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:42 am
by Van
Dins, serious question time...
Oregon St vs Oregon? Besides Eugene and Corvallis which program owns the hearts of the state of Oregon? Assuming they're both having equal success which program skews towards being the oft ignored White Sox and which one is the beloved Cubs?
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:09 am
by War Wagon
Dinsdale wrote:
And what I see happening is the OSU's secondary sending Mizzou's recievers home in body bags.
I see that you're not very familiar with Martin Rucker and Chase Coffman.
That's ok. You will be.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:13 am
by Dinsdale
Van wrote:Oregon St vs Oregon?
Are you fucking kidding me?
That one ain't even close, my friend. Never has been.
Oregon State, while it has certainly expanded to inculde a pretty comprehensive line of majors, is at its root an agricultural school. Unless it has some specific area of study it specializes in, like engineering for example, it's pretty much a school for farmboys. And most of the farmboys there behave like they're seeing a city with more than 5,000 people in it for the forst time...because chances are, they are.
Oregon, on the other hand, is the second-largest school in the state, located in the second largest city in the state. It's always affered a more complete lineup of studies, and has more students taking them.
Oregon grads are more likely to end up in a population center, like Portland for example, than the Sheepfuckers.
Of course, there's
plenty of Big Time College Football fans who didn't attend either university...such as me, for example...and they all tend to lean towards Oregon, for the most part. Plus, Portlanders have a love/hate thing with Seattle, and Washington is Oregon's archrival(despite what the beavs think), and Portlanders will always appreciate Oregon putting an asswhooping on UDub.
While the football program has made leaps and bounds over the last 20 years(as has the beavs...but there was nowhere to go but up), they have always represented fairly well in a number of other sports. OSU hasn't. U of O has pretty much alwaysd been the creme-de-la-creme of track and field schools.
Did I mention that Oregon won the FIRST hoops tournament?
We'll grant OSU a tiny bit'o'bode for producing a Heisman winner. Other than that and last year's baseball title, their atletic accomplishments are pretty forgettable. But really, how do you rcruit kids to
Corvallis, when many of the top recruit are being lured to Eugene? The conceot of specialized sports shoes came from U of O, Steve Prefontain came from U of O, the Fosbury Flop came from U of O...only thing to come from OSU are bestiality charges.
One has a Disney character for a mascot. The other mascot is generally considered a pest around these parts, and is a slang term for female genitalia.
Ducks football fans are known for conducting themselves with class...the beavfans are known for the exact opposite. Their biggest tradition at games involves spitting on opposing(and sometimes theor own) players, for chrissakes(and no, I'm not making that up).
But in the parts of the state that I usually find myself in (the populated parts), Oregon gear/stickers/whatnot outnumbers their OSU counterparts by a wide margin. Hell, OSU even ripped off their new logo from Oregon...the BODE is pretty one-sided.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:28 am
by Dinsdale
War Wagon wrote:Dinsdale wrote:
And what I see happening is the OSU's secondary sending Mizzou's recievers home in body bags.
I see that you're not very familiar with Martin Rucker and Chase Coffman.
Gee, I wonder why that is?
Uhm, a little advice, WW -- the next time you want to sound like all intelligent and well informed and stuff, you might want to do better than name the #2 and #3 recievers on the recieving corps you're trying to pimp...
Just a little friendly advice.
BTW -- the two guys you mentioned don't have as many yards
combined as Oregon State's top reciever...just so's you know. Since Stroughter was like #4 in D1, and stuff.
So, I guess what I'm saying -- the two recievers you're hanging your hopes on aren't getting anywhere near All-American status. The guy who is going to be trying to kill them in the Sun Bowl is. Not sure how I can make that any more clear. I guess the Mizzou recievers are just going to have to see that #24 backwards imprint on their chests, and read "Ridell" on their grilles in the mirror. Sabby will be playing on sundays...the scrubs you mentioned won't.
Bet the farm on it. Piscitelli ain't fucking around. A 6'3" 230 pound safety who runs a 4.3 is not something to be taken lightly. By far their best player.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:13 am
by Husker4ever
Mace wrote:You'd better listen to dins, WW. If it weren't for Sabby, Hawaii would have had 420 yards in passing instead of the measly 400 that they racked up.
Mace
^^^^:lol: Discussion over. How the fuck did Beaver State's D-backs suddenly morph into the Chicago Bear secondary between then and now?
Sorry Dins the shit you write cracks me up (in a good way)....I can't agree with you on OSU's defense.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:19 am
by Dinsdale
Two sides to every story --
You also have to bear in mind that OSU's offense is so inept, their opponents get the ball back pretty darn quickly, more often than not. Give a team like Hawaii 114 offensive possessions, and of course they're going to put up some bigtime yards.
Hawaii averaged about 432 yards a game through the air-btw.
Geez, people -- apply a little common fucking sense here, would'ya?
I hate the beavers more than I hate the IRS. I hate the beavs more than I hate dead puppies in my bed. I hate the beavs more than I hate the herpes I caught from your mom.
That said, I still believe a lowly fucking beaver is quite the motherfucking STUD at the SS position.
What does that tell you?
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:29 am
by War Wagon
Dinsdale wrote:Sabby will be playing on sundays...the scrubs you mentioned won't.
Bwa. Way to show your ignorance, Dins.
Rucker (a junior) and Coffman (a soph) will most assuredly be playing on Sundays in the not too distant future. Coffman reminds me of Tony Gonzalez. You've heard of him, yes?
They're TE's mang. Big bruisers. I only bring them into the conversation to refute your ridiculous claim that Oregon's secondary will send Mizzou receivers home in "body bags".
On the contrary, if there's any body bags needed, it'll be in the Oregon secondary.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:31 am
by Husker4ever
Yeah, any defense can wear down and give up yards. I can agree with that. This discussion will give me some extra interest when I watch the game.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:32 am
by RadioFan
Van wrote:Mgo, he's not so much defending Oregon St as he's simply enjoying being in the fray...any fray. Oregon St is entirely incidental to this for him. He got hisself a whiff of Adel, his predator's olfactory sensors went ballistic, out came the bared slobbering fangs and quick like a prom date's excuses he shot out of his den looking for glory in the hunt.
Nice.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:47 am
by Dinsdale
Husker4ever wrote:This discussion will give me some extra interest when I watch the game.
This discussion may give me my
only interest in this one.
Awww, I'm just kidding. I'll watch any bowl, and usually manage to pick a favorite...based upon whatever. I'll root for who I think is going to win, whose fans are lower down the douchebag scale, which teams usually trots out the better looking cheerleaders on an annual average...whatever.
But, when the PAC is involved...I'll even root for the Huski......the Husk.....the HU-U-U....HUSK....
fuck...can't do it.
PAC10/Big 12? Go fucking beavs(GARRRRRRGH!!!!). I sit through enough of their whack thursday nighters, and night games in general(I guess if you can't draw attention to your program by winning, you put your games on at goofy times so the diehards are compelled to watch it), that I'll even yell out for the guys that I'm familiar with, and hopefully they pull through for that one game every-few-years that I don't wish Fate would do the right thing and drop a big ol' meteor down on the beavs, their high-school stadium, and those foul beings that put on the orange garb and act the fool(limited props to beaver fan, probably towards the higher end of alcohol consumption in the CFB world, but science hasn't come up with an instrument that reads high enough to accurately rank the low-ranking schools, much less the high end, so it's all guesswork...but I digress, as per usual).
If there really is a God, he'd drop a meteor on a beavers huskies game. I'd apply for the pope's job if that shit went down.
But as to Husker4ever's comment -- Shit talkin's what it's all about, ain't it? If I don't got a horse in the race, I'll adopt one. And it'll beat yours.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:01 pm
by Goober McTuber
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:No, I get your point, and from a big picture perspective, I think we're on the same page. I'd like to see the Coaches Poll axed from the formula. I was sorta going off in a different direction, as it applied to the cries of MichiganFan and how they felt they got "screwed" by the human element, when in reality, the idea of "screwed" isn't based on any sort of facts, just your varied perception of the results. Hate it as we may, the bottom line is, the human element IS part of the scenario, and since there are no "rules" when it comes to voting, a coach may cast a ballot however he chooses. My point is to not get upset at the opinion of the voter, rather, get upset at the system for allowing said opinion to have a say in the results. And it looks like we agree on that.
Personally, if we can't have a playoff, I'd like to see a 100% computer-based ranking system.
I don’t know about that. Two of those computer rankings have a 3-loss Cal team ranked 10th and 11th, and Oklahoma ranked 18th and 19th. One of the computers has UCLA 16th. Virginia Tech is rated anywhere from 6th to 22nd. Oregon State is ranked 14th by two computers, yet is unranked by another.
Yeah, let’s turn it over to the computers. What would you do this year when the computers show a tie between 2 and 3?
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:56 pm
by MgoBlue-LightSpecial
You're just plucking out individual rankings from individual polls and using those exceptions to make the claim that a computer-based ranking system wouldn't work. The BCS actually does a pretty good job of combining, averaging, and cutting off the fat from of all these polls. The final product tends to be pretty fair and accurate.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:27 pm
by Goober McTuber
Their final product has Oklahoma at #16 and Cal at #11. Again, what would you do this year when #2 and #3 are tied? Flip a coin? Take Florida because Michigan already lost to tOSU? Just ask Van?
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:59 pm
by MgoBlue-LightSpecial
Work is a clusterfuck, so here goes my half-assed answers...
Goober McTuber wrote:Their final product has Oklahoma at #16 and Cal at #11.
Even still...when a computer can take, without bias,
every single factor into account, from September to December, isn't that more accurate than some uninterested head coach going, "hmmm, two losses, that looks pretty good to me. We'll just slot 'em here." A coach who likely hasn't seen that team play beyond a few SportsCenter highlights because he's so wrapped up in his
own team?
That's the way to go?
Again, what would you do this year when #2 and #3 are tied?
How about a formula based strictly on quality win points? Hell, that might even encourage teams to schedule better.
Just ask Van?
Heh. I was going to post that before I read it.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:16 pm
by Goober McTuber
Well, obviously there’s many different ways to program a computer when you get such divergent results from 6 different computer programs. There’s obviously some biases built into the different computer programs.
Only one of the coaches had Oklahoma lower than 13th, and that was Schnellenberger. Only two coaches had California as high as 15th. I wish there was a nice spreadsheet for the Harris and AP polls like there is for the coaches. I know the two Oklahoma AP voters had the Sooners 4th and 5th.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:17 pm
by FLW Buckeye
Goober McTuber wrote:Well, obviously there’s many different ways to program a computer when you get such divergent results from 6 different computer programs. There’s obviously some biases built into the different computer programs.
Only one of the coaches had Oklahoma lower than 13th, and that was Schnellenberger. Only two coaches had California as high as 15th. I wish there was a nice spreadsheet for the Harris and AP polls like there is for the coaches. I know the two Oklahoma AP voters had the Sooners 4th and 5th.
Here you go... The Harris is broken down on a spreadsheet in PDF format, the best that I found for the AP was a link to each individual's vote.
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/n ... 3_2006.pdf
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/external/o ... CTION=HOME[/web]
Hope that helps...
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:55 am
by Husker4ever
Dinsdale wrote:Husker4ever wrote:This discussion will give me some extra interest when I watch the game.
This discussion may give me my
only interest in this one.
Awww, I'm just kidding. I'll watch any bowl, and usually manage to pick a favorite...based upon whatever. I'll root for who I think is going to win, whose fans are lower down the douchebag scale, which teams usually trots out the better looking cheerleaders on an annual average...whatever.
But, when the PAC is involved...I'll even root for the Huski......the Husk.....the HU-U-U....HUSK....
fuck...can't do it.
PAC10/Big 12? Go fucking beavs(GARRRRRRGH!!!!). I sit through enough of their whack thursday nighters, and night games in general(I guess if you can't draw attention to your program by winning, you put your games on at goofy times so the diehards are compelled to watch it), that I'll even yell out for the guys that I'm familiar with, and hopefully they pull through for that one game every-few-years that I don't wish Fate would do the right thing and drop a big ol' meteor down on the beavs, their high-school stadium, and those foul beings that put on the orange garb and act the fool(limited props to beaver fan, probably towards the higher end of alcohol consumption in the CFB world, but science hasn't come up with an instrument that reads high enough to accurately rank the low-ranking schools, much less the high end, so it's all guesswork...but I digress, as per usual).
If there really is a God, he'd drop a meteor on a beavers huskies game. I'd apply for the pope's job if that shit went down.
But as to Husker4ever's comment -- Shit talkin's what it's all about, ain't it? If I don't got a horse in the race, I'll adopt one. And it'll beat yours.
Same here Dins.... I'll find a reason to root for one team or the other. People like Jon make it easy for me never to root for Iowa again because I hope they'll lose just to read the posts he'll throw up on here.
Conference loyalty will have me rooting for the likes of K-State and Mizzou. Colorado is my Washington. Just can't fucking do it....but I usually end up hoping they win OOC and bowl games.
Normally I'd root for Boise State just to show the ESPN fucks there is college football in the middle sections of the country and I can't help but remember how depressed that whole network was when Nebraska and the Big 8 fucking OWNED cfb for quite a few years. OU gets my nod over Boise this year of course and I hope they win convincingly.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:05 pm
by Goober McTuber
Thanks for the links, FLW. Harris doesn’t seem to have the occasional wild fluctuations you see in the coaches poll (ie, Schnellenberger) or among the six computer rankings.
BTW, even though I’m a Badger fan first and foremost, I spent the first six years of my life 25 miles south of Columbus, and returned for a couple of years around jr. high and high school. Other than when they play Wisconsin, I will always pull for tOSU.
The Michigan game this year was the first time I’ve seen the script Ohio in years. I was sitting in a tree stand watching a 2.5” TV screen, and it made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. I don’t know if the networks don’t bother to show it, or whether I just tune in too late for Ohio State games to see it, but it made me think that I’ve got to schedule a road trip to Columbus in the next couple of years. Maybe next November 3rd when the Badgers are there.
When looking for a little background on the script Ohio, I was surprised to find out that tOSU marching band is one of the few all-brass and percussion bands in the country, and the largest of its type in the world. Also, that the very "first" Script Ohio formation was performed by a visiting Football Team's Marching Band, on October 15th, 1932, four years before OSU performed it, and that the visiting team was, of course, Michigan.
And no, I’m not a band geek. I played football in high school.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:46 pm
by Sky
Goober McTuber wrote:The Michigan game this year was the first time I’ve seen the script Ohio in years. I was sitting in a tree stand watching a 2.5” TV screen, and it made the hair stand up on the back of my neck.
Now that is dedication to CFB, nice.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:45 pm
by Goober McTuber
That’s nowhere the whole story.
I’ve had this little Sony pocket TV I took in the woods for years, because the Ohio State-Michigan game always falls on opening day of deer season in Wisconsin. I made sure it had fresh batteries in it this year. I even considered skipping hunting that day because I so wanted to watch the game, but my son always looks forward to gun season.
I sat in my stand in a low area in the morning and shot an 8-point buck around 9:00 AM. Perfect. I could climb up on top of the hill in the afternoon and sit where I would get good reception, with no intention whatsoever to shoot another deer.
Around noon I pull out the TV just to make sure I couldn’t pick up ABC down at the cabin. Turned the TV on, it let out a little scream, and died. Fuck me. I’m 45 minutes away from Madison, but only about five minutes out of Dodgeville. Not a really big town, around 5,000 people, but big enough to have a Wal-Mart.
I figure I’ll have to spend about $40 or so for a new TV. Drive to the Wal-Mart and find that they do not sell pocket TVs. I remember that one of my hunting buddies showed me his little RCA TV that he bought at Radio Shack for about $40. I ask the Wal-Mart guy if there’s a Radio Shack in Dodgeville, yes there is and he gives me directions.
I go to the Radio Shack and they have two different TVs. One is over $100. The other is $80. Fuck me. But this sucker has a 2.5” screen (twice as big as the old one) and it’s plasma. Out comes the plastic. I don’t have a plasma TV at home, but I’ve got one in my pocket.
So I climb up the hill, into a tripod stand and settle in. I manage to hang the TV at eye level and I’ve got an earphone so the deer don’t have to be disturbed by Le Regiment de Sambre et Meuse or Brent Mushburger. Perfect.
Towards the end of the first quarter I hear a gunshot about a quarter of a mile away, in the general vicinity of where my son is sitting. I take out my walkie-talkie.
“Did you shoot?”
“Yes.”
“Did you hit one?”
“Yes.”
Fuck me. Son is 27 years old, but has not shot a deer in number of years, and will need some guidance cleaning the beast. So I shut off my TV, climb down out of the stand and hike over to where he’s sitting.
He’s sitting in a tree at the edge of a deep bowl. When he shot the deer, it took a couple of steps forward, then tumbled down into the bottom of the bowl. About a 45-degree grade. Fuck me.
So we go down there, gut it out, then have to drag a 150-lb carcass up out of that bowl, up across a field (about a 10-15 degree grade), and down a long deep draw to a low area where we can get to it with a truck. Took a little over an hour.
So I spent $80 on the TV and saw the first 15 minutes of the game. Fortunately for me, the game showed up on ESPN Classic 4 nights later, and I watched it then.
And that’s the rest of the story.
Good day.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:08 pm
by Goober McTuber
One of my buddies shot a really small deer years ago. I looked at it and asked him, “Did you have to wipe the milk off his lips?”
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:10 pm
by Dinsdale
I'm from the U&L -- deer weigh over 50 pounds when they come out of the womb.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:24 pm
by Goober McTuber
Jsc810 wrote:I betcha that small deer tasted much better than the big ones.
I’m sure you could eat it with a spoon.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:31 pm
by Dinsdale
Oh, fawn-steak rocks, but around here, it's only legal to take them with a car bumper.
Or maybe it's not...I don't remember.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:05 pm
by TheChief
I think all deer steak tastes shitty. I just shoot them and haul them to the local butcher who processes them and gives them to a less than fortunate family in the area.
RACK me.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:34 pm
by L45B
Goober McTuber wrote:Le Regiment de Sambre et Meuse
Damn Goober, you know your stuff. Good story.
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:42 pm
by Bucmonkey
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:13 pm
by Sky
TheChief wrote:I think all deer steak tastes shitty. I just shoot them and haul them to the local butcher who processes them and gives them to a less than fortunate family in the area.
RACK me.
That is my kind of deal. I like hunting but don't really like deer meat so I don't hunt that often. How'd you hear about this setup?
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:58 pm
by Goober McTuber
The taste of deer meat varies greatly based on their diet. Here in southern Wisconsin they’re mostly corn-fed, and they don’t taste a lot different from really lean beef. In northern Wisconsin where they have to exist on a diet of berries and bark and I don’t know what else, they taste a bit gamier.
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:57 am
by TheChief
Sky wrote:That is my kind of deal. I like hunting but don't really like deer meat so I don't hunt that often. How'd you hear about this setup?
We used hammer does like crazy when my bro and I were much younger. Between me, dad and my bro, we killed about 15 a year. One day the the processor asks us if we could get him a few...we were like "uhh...you wouldn't want all of them would you?" He said "yeah I'll take all you can get."
So basically we fell into it. Since then, I heard other stories of guys calling local food banks and arranging with them the payment of the meat processing. So they do the same thing but the processor charges the food bank for his labor.
Ask around Sky, I bet you will find someone who will take your deer. The trick is, don't fucking tell anyone that you do it in the area, or every fucker you know will start calling the guy and asking him if they can bring deer to him as well!!!! Its a lot better than trying to find someone to take it, because I would never shoot a deer and leave it lay. I wouldn't hunt if it came to that.
The other good thing is that now, I get all the free summer sausage I want. I always get about 5 sticks around Christmas and give them away to people for the Holidays. Speaking of which...Frisco if your reading this...Interested?
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:45 pm
by Moorese
Moorese wrote:The real humor will come when Michigan swallows its dick in the Rose Bowl; and thus, the "Champions of the West" keep completely fucking silent when the Buckeyes drop a load on Florida's outstretched tongue.
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:42 pm
by L45B
Hopefully, you can post that again next Tuesday.