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mvscal wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:And as far as I know Christ never instructed anyone to "Go forth and be a doormat for knuckleheads".

Sure he did. Love your enemy. Turn the other cheek. etc. etc.

Christianity is a religion for slaves, morons and puling milksops.

C'mon now. His "turn the other cheek" does not mean lay back and take it.


I think it's taken out of context. I might be wrong but it sounds like exercise diplomacy as much as possible. For instance, if you offer the other cheek and the dude takes another shot .... now you know he's mistaken kindness for weakness and you can righteously beat the living shit out of him.


Ghandi on the other hand, would probably recommend you kill yourself before the guy can hit you again.

Tom In VA wrote:I think it's taken out of context.

Gee, a KYOA associated with people's "following" Jesus?

Who woulda thunk it?


"christians" use this "no, Jesus meant such-and-such, even though that's not what He said" as a crutch to excuse their deficiencies in morality.


And to a non-psychotic observer, the shit is HILARIOUS. They'll attempt to justify anything with "no, Jesus meant..."



Then again, you're dealing with people who are committed to recruiting people to their cult, which claims to follow the teachings of a guy who said "judge not."


Uhm...HELLO?


No, we're laughing at you, "christians"...not with you.



Oh, BTW-you owe me 10%.

Well what did he mean Dins ?

Tom In VA wrote:Well what did he mean Dins ?

Since he was probably punch-drunk from wandering about the desert for 30-whatever years, I'm guessing even He wasn't sure.


But in absence of a better explaination, there is no logical course of action other than to take him at His word...and not the words you wished He had said...which is pathetic beyond words.


But see -- people claiming to have some secret-knowledge of Jesus' intentions/meanings have been trying to take advantage of weaker people for 2000 years. Nevermind they have access to the exact same resources as everyone else, and have no unique insight whatsoever...but you BETTER not question their knowledge of what Jesus MEANT. That would make you a bad person (it would also make your income go up 11%).



Modern "christianity," by its very definition, is inherently evil, and in stark contrast with Jesus' teachings...unless Jesus was the judgemental prick that the Give Me 10%ers "christians" make him out to be.

Dinsdale wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Well what did he mean Dins ?

Since he was probably punch-drunk from wandering about the desert for 30-whatever years, I'm guessing even He wasn't sure.

So he was just a dude wandering around spewing forth whatever he chose without regards to consequence. And he did that without the Internet too.


In all honesty, I left "the church" predominantly for that reason though. Some folks keep stepping and when I get violent they go crying "But I thought you were a Christian".

I guess not.


Props dude, you're spot on with your judgement.


Maybe you could start a church and at the very least, get rich or something.

Tom In VA wrote: Maybe you could start a church and at the very least, get rich or something.

I could, but I have morals and personal ethics, which excludes anyone from starting a church or promoting religion.



Religion has ALWAYS been a tool for the evil to subdue the weak. ALWAYS. Isn't it strange how in every religion in human history, those who claim some unique insight into the diety end up in control of most of the resources?


Ain't that just fucking ponderous?

Dinsdale wrote:

Religion has ALWAYS been a tool for the evil to subdue the weak. ALWAYS. Isn't it strange how in every religion in human history, those who claim some unique insight into the diety end up in control of most of the resources?


Ain't that just fucking ponderous?

Your intellect is far superior to mine Dins, I'm far too perplexed as it is, I'll leave the pondering to you.

I am curious and if you use small words I might be able to understand one thing though, since you have a concept of "evil" and are able to assess that real well. Can you describe "good" ?

Dinsdale wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Well what did he mean Dins ?

Since he was probably punch-drunk from wandering about the desert for 30-whatever years,

He did?

You meant 40 days and nights, right?

but should we take you at your word...and not the words we wish you had said?

I think Poptard needs to be in this thread right about now and stand up for Jesus.

Justa Heel wrote:I think Poptard needs to be in this thread right about now and stand up for Jesus.

My money is on Poptart being an authentic Christian and realizing that Jesus needs no defense.


But I can't wait for him to come in and say something and you being unable to counter it with anything resembling a decent take, you to go running away with poopie dripping from your diaper and in between your fingers screaming ....



"Mommmy, paaaahptaaaaaht is big stupid doo-doo head".


Now that's Gospel.

Tom In VA wrote:

Justa Heel wrote:I think Poptard needs to be in this thread right about now and stand up for Jesus.

My money is on Poptart being an authentic Christian and realizing that Jesus needs no defense.

No, Poptard is an evangelical. It's his Christian duty to prosletyze his faith to the non-believers. As such, if he sees this thread, it's his moral duty to come in here and stand up for Jesus.

But I can't wait for him to come in and say something and you being unable to counter it with anything resembling a decent take, you to go running away with poopie dripping from your diaper and in between your fingers screaming ....


"Mommmy, paaaahptaaaaaht is big stupid doo-doo head".

Now that's Gospel.

What am I supposed to be countering? I've never argued with you or him about Christianity. You're THAT fucking gunshy and I'm THAT in your head though that might mere appearance makes you wince with fear and memory of the pain of the several assholes I've ripped you.

That's fucking BODE.

Mister Bushice wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Well what did he mean Dins ?

Since he was probably punch-drunk from wandering about the desert for 30-whatever years,

He did?

You meant 40 days and nights, right?

but should we take you at your word...and not the words we wish you had said?

How about Luke?

Luke wrote:Luke 3:23
Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph

Wait...even the Gospels got into the whole "no, I'm right and you are wrong...I know Jesus better than you do" and didn't agree on much in regards to Jesus...and they allegedly knew the dude. Yet, we have people 2000 years later claiming to know what Jesus meant at all times(even though it's not what He said)?


Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is worth 10% of your money?



There's a tard born every minute, I guess.

Justa Heel wrote: That's fucking BODE.

If that's what you call it, but it's running out the left leg of your diaper.

Tom In VA wrote: My money is on Poptart being an authentic Christian

Nope. He's made it quite clear he isn't. Hell, recently, he disavowed "turn the other cheek," and a host of other Christian teachings...he sees it, just like every other "christian" as a vehicle to claim superiority, but has major trouble adhering to it when it comes down to brass tacks, or threatens to inconvenience him.

It's his Christian duty to prosletyze his faith to the non-believers

AGAIN -- "christians" KTOA every time they open their yap. I guess "judge not" doesn't apply when you can get another sucker to toss in his 10%...


there is THAT.


If you proselytize, it means you've passed judgement on another's religion...


HELLO?


It just doesn't work to anyone with a grain of common sense, eh?

Dinsdale wrote:

Tom In VA wrote: My money is on Poptart being an authentic Christian

Nope. He's made it quite clear he isn't. Hell, recently, he disavowed "turn the other cheek," and a host of other Christian teachings...he sees it, just like every other "christian" as a vehicle to claim superiority, but has major trouble adhering to it when it comes down to brass tacks, or threatens to inconvenience him.

I missed that thread. You've got a lock on things so I'll not need a link.

Rootbeer wrote: Go out and kill and eat children or whatever it is you heathens do.

actually, killing and eating children apparently is a staple of "Christians".....

"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat" (Lev. 26:29)

Tom In VA wrote:
My money is on Poptart being an authentic Christian and realizing that Jesus needs no defense.

I find it kind of ironic that essentially the only references to Jesus come from the Bible.....bit of a circular argument.....

there are no references to him in any other literature from that time frame.....

crazy wacky stuff.....

How about Luke?


Luke wrote:
Luke 3:23
Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph



Wait...even the Gospels got into the whole "no, I'm right and you are wrong...I know Jesus better than you do" and didn't agree on much in regards to Jesus...and they allegedly knew the dude. Yet, we have people 2000 years later claiming to know what Jesus meant at all times(even though it's not what He said)?

Actually I believe it's pretty much agreed that he was a carpenter prior to beginning his ministry and not wandering punch drunk about the desert.

toddlers don't do so well out there, or so I've heard. Especially when they're punch drunk.

maybe you were thinking about moses. He did the wandering about the desert for 40 years. Or maybe it was Noah, he roiled about like a drunken sailor during 40 days of rain, PLUS he invented wine.

Lots of choices.

Tom In VA wrote:

My money is on Poptart being an authentic Christian and realizing that Jesus needs no defense.

Actually he had a decent offensive game plan, but his defense was lousy. Just a bunch of drunken fools and a traitor.

Felix wrote: actually, killing and eating children apparently is a staple of "Christians".....

"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat" (Lev. 26:29)

It also says that if your kid acts up too much, you're supposed to haul him into the town square to be stoned to death.


B-b-b-b-b-b-but...that's not what it MEANT!.



And you guys realize much of the christian mythology didn't surface for hundreds of years after that, right? At which point, they started in with "but there were witnesses to the Resurrection!"



Priceless.

Mister Bushice wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:

My money is on Poptart being an authentic Christian and realizing that Jesus needs no defense.

Actually he had a decent offensive game plan, but his defense was lousy. Just a bunch of drunken fools and a traitor.

Well, word on the street was that he had the Holy Spirit as a ringer.

Dinsdale wrote:

B-b-b-b-b-b-but...that's not what it MEANT!.

one of the great arguments usually put forth by christers.....to which I usually respond

"so what you're saying here is that you are better versed in ancient dialects than the people that originally translated it"

makes for a lot of fun......

Felix wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:

B-b-b-b-b-b-but...that's not what it MEANT!.

one of the great arguments usually put forth by christers.....to which I usually respond

"so what you're saying here is that you are better versed in ancient dialects than the people that originally translated it"

makes for a lot of fun......

RACK


No outwitting you now.

Rootbeer wrote:poptart, I take my Savior at his word. The quotes from the King James version read "All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you." Then in Luke 22: "And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me" From God comes all things to the Son and from Christ to us through His Atonement. It is very clear if your eyes are open.

What is very clear is that the Bible says NOWHERE that man can become a God ...... if he behaves properly.
It's easy to cherry pick verses and try to sell that they are saying something that they aren't.

The idea that men can become Gods originated in a MAN's head, and that man then took Bible verses and said that they back up his idea.


Dins, you know very little about the Bible.

Tom In VA wrote:
No outwitting you now.

they pretty much outwit themselves.....

if you're rich....you're a goner......

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matt. 19:23-24)

for the longhairs....your fate is sealed....

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?"--1 Cor. 11:14

one for the ladies

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak"--1 Cor.14:34

and for you tattoo sporting mofos....you're doomed as well...

"You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh on account of the dead or tattoo any marks upon you. I am the Lord"--Lev. 19:28

I could go on and on...but you get the point.....

Felix wrote:
"so what you're saying here is that you are better versed in ancient dialects than the people that originally translated it"

It's more like they're Jesus' mother, trying to explain to homeroom teachers why their kid is such a fuckup.


But when he SAID 'fuck off, you dirty old whore,' what he really MEANT was 'you look lovely today, Mrs Jones.' "

poptart wrote: Dins, you know very little about the Bible.

Neither do you.


I just never bought into the threats that makes a person abandon reality and common sense and removes any humility they might have in the interest of being superior to others.

I'm just man enough and humble enough to admit that I don't know shit about it. Due to the threats made to you, you don't have the stones to admit this. And theologically, that's the ONLY difference between you and I. It's just that my Sunday mornings remain free for golf and fishing, while yours are spent living a lie.

poptart wrote:
Dins, you know very little about the Bible.

Google giveth, and google taketh away.

Enough of that Felix, where did you learn Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and Chaldean ?

I'd like to learn too.

Felix wrote:they pretty much outwit themselves.....

if you're rich....you're a goner......

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matt. 19:23-24)

for the longhairs....your fate is sealed....

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?"--1 Cor. 11:14

one for the ladies

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak"--1 Cor.14:34

and for you tattoo sporting mofos....you're doomed as well...

"You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh on account of the dead or tattoo any marks upon you. I am the Lord"--Lev. 19:28

I could go on and on...but you get the point.....

Yes, that you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Dins wrote:I'm just man enough and humble enough to admit that I don't know shit about it (the Bible)

You, humble ... ?




Hey, you talk quite often, and this thread is another example, about how wrong 'Christers' are, and how the Bible is full of shit.

If you don't know shit about it then why are you continually flapping ... ?


I DO know a lot about it.

Felix wrote:"You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh on account of the dead or tattoo any marks upon you. I am the Lord"--Lev. 19:28

I think that was god's way of saying BODE!! RACK ME!!!

Tom In VA wrote:Enough of that Felix, where did you learn Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and Chaldean ?

I'd like to learn too.

I took a correspondence course.....

"Aramaic made easy"

Felix wrote: "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matt. 19:23-24)

No, what He MEANT was...

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?"--1 Cor. 11:14

No, what He MEANT was...


Nevermind that Jesus had long hair, eh? What's good for the goose, don't apply to the gander.

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak"--1 Cor.14:34

No, dammit...what He MEANT was...

"You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh on account of the dead or tattoo any marks upon you. I am the Lord"--Lev. 19:28

Why do you insist on mischaracterizing Jesus posts?




Serious question for "christians" -- is there ANYTHING in that book that you don't interperet, and actually take at face value, rather than translating it based upon convenience and personal gain?


Serious question...because I've never actually seen any of you actually live by the book you embrace, but rather what you wish it said.


It says to kill your kids if they act up. Is this acceptable to you...YES OR NO?


If "no," then either you're not really a Christian, or we're treated to yet another "NO, it MEANT TO SAY..."...which frankly, is quite the KYOA. But your fantasy world apparently provides provisions for having your cake and eating it too.

poptart wrote:

Yes, that you really have no idea what you're talking about.

by all means then tart...explain to me what I learned and lived all of my life....

Felix wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Enough of that Felix, where did you learn Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and Chaldean ?

I'd like to learn too.

I took a correspondence course.....

"Aramaic made easy"

Do they have that in Audio Book format or is it a SoftWare title ?

poptart wrote: I DO know a lot about it.

No, you don't.


You have granted yourself some devine right to read into it what you see fit. This doesn't make you an "expert," it makes you a snake oil salesman.


You don't embrace the words in it. You don't live your life by the teachings in it, you live by what you think it should say. It doesn't say any of that which you imply, yet you insist that it does.


Like a good woman in a christian church, you should STFU.

Tom In VA wrote:

Do they have that in Audio Book format or is it a SoftWare title ?

both...

but I've only got the pirated software.....

Felix wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:

Do they have that in Audio Book format or is it a SoftWare title ?

both...

but I've only got the pirated software.....

Since thou shalt not steal really only means you shouldn't take things from regular people but that stealing from RIAA's concerns and big wig corporate gigs is okay ....

Can you float me a copy ?

Tom In VA wrote:

Since thou shalt not steal really only means you shouldn't take things from regular people but that stealing from RIAA's concerns and big wig corporate gigs is okay ....

Can you float me a copy ?

now you're getting the hang of this "spin it to fit your needs" thing.....

I don't know whether I'm spinning or not, I don't know those languages.

Kind of a catch 22.

poptart wrote:

Felix wrote:they pretty much outwit themselves.....

if you're rich....you're a goner......

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matt. 19:23-24)

for the longhairs....your fate is sealed....

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?"--1 Cor. 11:14

one for the ladies

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak"--1 Cor.14:34

and for you tattoo sporting mofos....you're doomed as well...

"You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh on account of the dead or tattoo any marks upon you. I am the Lord"--Lev. 19:28

I could go on and on...but you get the point.....

Yes, that you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Dins wrote:I'm just man enough and humble enough to admit that I don't know shit about it (the Bible)

You, humble ... ?




Hey, you talk quite often, and this thread is another example, about how wrong 'Christers' are, and how the Bible is full of shit.

If you don't know shit about it then why are you continually flapping ... ?


I DO know a lot about it.

:)

It's not a bad thing to have a lot of experience with the Bible at all. Very positive in fact.

But now you need to go back and learn something about the history of civilizations and especially ancient civilizations (and not just white-euro civs), comparative religions and mythology, anthropology, et al.

Present that knowledge side-by-side with your "knowledge" of the Bible, and how your beliefs fit in with the rest of it. Come back with THAT and then maybe then someone will think your "message" has some validity.

Until then the 'Biblical teachings' regurgitated from your mullet-ed smiling new-age pastor on Sundays probably don't hold that much water to all those outside your cult.

Just sayin.

Felix wrote:by all means then tart...explain to me what I learned and lived all of my life....

Ok ....

Felix, I'm pretty sure you're an all-around swell guy. First round of drinks is always on you, stop to change Dan Vogel's tire for him, never piss in the neighbor's swimming pool. Myself, I'm probably not nearly as swell as you are, honestly.

Since you asked, there is a lot of talk about where the Bible is 'false' or off base, but I'll tell you the essence of the Bible. The core.

God created everything.
Trees were created to live in the ground. Apart from this order they die.
Fish created to live in the water. Apart from this they die.
Man created to live with God. Apart from this they die.
The man God created to live with him was deceived by satan, sinned and was separated from God.
The man's life became a curse. This is his fate, and he will surely die.
All men come from this starting point, because we are offspring of the original man.
So we are born into this curse and this fate.

God is spirit, and He created man in His image -- man has a spirit, and a spiritual hunger.
So people, whot were intended to live with God, by His grace, instead live by their own strength.
They take on many behaviors, attitudes, strategies, etc ..... in attempt to find a sense of happiness.
But this leads them deeper into their problems.

People become mentally oppressed. We see it everywhere. Who can honestly say they are not oppressed? And some become very seriously oppressed.
Then people develop physical problems.
Then they die.
Then because they were told so many times to believe in God, but didn't, they go to hell.
Then their 'spiritual problems' are passed on to their children.

This is the resume of man.

But we know that God gave us the way out, the way to meet Him again, the way to receive His grace.
The man Jesus, who uniquely and stunningly fulfilled all.


Now you have particular issues with the Bible -- the hair, the tat's, women speaking in church .... and on and on.

I can speak to those topics and give answers to you.
However, if you don't buy what I've posted above we are wasting our time by discussing them, aren't we ... ?



My pastor has no mullet, Eaglebauer.