Einstein Gives Us FOUR YEARS!

[Mister Bushice]

'Scuse me, the unabashed apologist for the Iraq invasion says WHAT?

Despite your apparent interest in history, you've long ago defaulted on any real discussion.

I really have to disagree here.

First, mvscal has come clean about his feelings towards this administration, and the war.

mvscal has very strong opinions but tends to litter his replies with childish insults. However, his arguments are based on facts and reality, while yours are based on some odd twisted anger and frustration at the US and the Buhs administration, plus a total lack of ability to back up your rants with any real facts. Your arguments are mostly hate conjecture.

There really is no discussion with you, it's mostly people telling you how far off you are.

Have you ever noticed no one ever backs up your point of view?

If you had established some stance in reality based on facts and education, perhaps you'd be taken more seriously.

I just usually scroll past your shit because it's more akin to yellow journalism than anything worth replying to, to me.

[PSUFAN]

I've seen more bees this year than in years past.

[Mister Bushice]

I'm happy to hear you are doing that well in school.

[LTS TRN 2]

'Scuse me, the unabashed apologist for the Iraq invasion says WHAT?

Despite your apparent interest in history, you've long ago defaulted on any real discussion.

I really have to disagree here.

First, mvscal has come clean about his feelings towards this administration, and the war.

mvscal has very strong opinions but tends to litter his replies with childish insults. However, his arguments are based on facts and reality, while yours are based on some odd twisted anger and frustration at the US and the Buhs administration, plus a total lack of ability to back up your rants with any real facts. Your arguments are mostly hate conjecture.

There really is no discussion with you, it's mostly people telling you how far off you are.

Have you ever noticed no one ever backs up your point of view?

If you had established some stance in reality based on facts and education, perhaps you'd be taken more seriously.

I just usually scroll past your shit because it's more akin to yellow journalism than anything worth replying to, to me.

What a crock of shit. Babs jumps ship as soon as his "position" gets revealed, indicted, imprisoned, disgraced, or whatever. He takes the knee-jerk reactionary Dittohead line, and then when it goes horribly wrong--i.e., Iraq, the Bush administration, etc., he tries to switch. He in fact does NOT state real opinions, and his historical acumen is fake.

My positions are based on facts, and I can back them up. Notice that no one dares actually arguing a specific point. Instead we find dismissive smears instead of actual takes, and this reveals a basic insecurity and fear.

Who, after all, would want to admit that our government has been effectively played like an accordion by the ZioNazi race state of Israel for the past sixty-years? That we just allowed them to attack the U.S. Liberty, for example, murdering thirty-four Americans--and we did nothing? That a chickenhawk religious freak like Joe Lieberman should be calling for an attack of Iran?

Of course you're afraid of the facts. They're VERY disconcerting.

And yet you simply suggest that I'm peddling "hate" or some such? That I'm perhaps "anti-Jewish"? Well, busher, that's just bullshit. I stand with Noam Chomsky (and again, I'll debate ANYONE on any specific subject of Chomsky's...and yet, no one here dares), and Amy Goodman, and of course Baruch Spinoza. And many, many honorable folks who happen to be Jewish--we all demand an end to the vicious U.S.-sponsored actions of the ZioNazi state.

You think you've got "opinions"? What are they? No one knows.

[Dinsdale]

My positions are based on facts, and I can back them up.

Like Einstein's comments about the bees?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

My positions are based on facts, and I can back them up.

Like Einstein's comments about the bees?

He was just trying to create a buzz.

[Mister Bushice]

What a crock of shit. Babs jumps ship as soon as his "position" gets revealed, indicted, imprisoned, disgraced, or whatever. He takes the knee-jerk reactionary Dittohead line, and then when it goes horribly wrong--i.e., Iraq, the Bush administration, etc., he tries to switch. He in fact does NOT state real opinions, and his historical acumen is fake.

This isn't about other posters, it's about you.

My positions are based on facts, and I can back them up.

Good. Kindly start on the facts that link WWII Nazi Germany to the Bush administration. Follow that up with your 'Facts" about the hybrid car incident. I'll wait in the lobby.

Notice that no one dares actually arguing a specific point. Instead we find dismissive smears instead of actual takes, and this reveals a basic insecurity and fear.

No, it reveals you are mostly full of shit, and that posters like 88, MTlR, and dins have slapped down your outliandish uneducated and idiotic statements time and time again.

Who, after all, would want to admit that our government has been effectively played like an accordion by the ZioNazi race state of Israel for the past sixty-years?

That is a gross oversimplification, and you know it.

That we just allowed them to attack the U.S. Liberty, for example, murdering thirty-four Americans--and we did nothing? That a chickenhawk religious freak like Joe Lieberman should be calling for an attack of Iran?

Dude that was 40 fucking years ago. get over it.

And yet you simply suggest that I'm peddling "hate" or some such? That I'm perhaps "anti-Jewish"? Well, busher, that's just bullshit.

yeah. The sig "ZioNazi race state" you placed up above pretty clearly spells that out.

I stand with Noam Chomsky (and again, I'll debate ANYONE on any specific subject of Chomsky's...and yet, no one here dares), and Amy Goodman, and of course Baruch Spinoza. And many, many honorable folks who happen to be Jewish--we all demand an end to the vicious U.S.-sponsored actions of the ZioNazi state.

You think you've got "opinions"? What are they? No one knows.

My opinion is that you are a hate filled fringe poster with a single agenda that has been beaten into the ground over and over and over again to the point no one cares anymore.

There's my opinion on you.

As for the israeli presence in the middle east, I believe they have a historical right to be there. They also have a right to defend themselves against attacks. If I lived someplace where my neighbors constantly threatened to end my existence, I'd be prepared for war at all times too, and I'd strike to defend my family without hesitation.

The middle east muslims come in two flavors: Passive to the point of uselessness, or fanatical to the point of self destruction. When enough of the freaks are killed maybe the passive ones will learn to accept living near those who are different than they are without feeling the need to exterminate them.

[LTS TRN 2]

Bullshit, Busher.

Call out ONE specific subject. I'll nail your ass to the wall.

Nazi links to the Bush administration? How about the Chimp's grandfather, Prescott Bush?

"ZioNazi" seems extreme? Gee, do you have any clue as to the utterly racist and military (nice combination) brutality that exists there--by way of American tax dollars?

"hybrid car incident"? That, I'll assume, is a red herring. though, if you are some sort of advocate (you know..actually having an opinion) of "methanol"--or if you doubt the direct efforts by the oil companies to undermine the ELECTRIC car, well step up. Actually say something.

As far as the posters "88" and "Dinsdale" offering any actual refutation to anything I've stated--bring it. You're full of shit. And I'll debate--and hammer you --on any subject.

You're a coward and a weasel if you think that forty years somehow erases the murder of thirty-four American servicemen on the U.S.S. Liberty at the hands of the Israelis. "Get over it"?????? Right there....you've exposed yourself as entirely fake and hollow. Get used to it..that's who and what you are.

Of course you can't begin to debate Noam Chomsky--or me. And admit it, you don't even know who Amy Goodman is, do you? And as for Spinoza--go watch the Sopranos.

Your "take" on the "middle east" is childish and naive at best.

What do know about Rudolph Kastner and the Zionists as they sold out millions of fellow Jews just to establish their disastrous race-state fantasy? You know nothing. Who do you think you're kidding?

Stop faking it...and dare to WAKEY WAKE

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

I have a question for you LTNickConditFrisco,

How can you be a supporter of people like this?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19176808/

Britain has seen more than 25 women killed by their Muslim relatives in the past decade for offenses they believed brought shame on the family. More than 100 other homicides are under investigation as potential honor killings.

You don't seem to have a problem requiring everyone else to defend their position. Why don't you turn that keen eye for justice around and explain how you can defend what may be 100's of killings in Britain alone, who knows how many more happen in the Muslim controlled, militerized race states of the middle east. Are you going to blame the US & Israel?

[Tom In VA]

Are you going to blame the US & Israel?

After all these years and you still don't "get it"? Of course he's going to blame US and Israel.


The Bush family can trace it's bloodline back to Godfrey of Bouillon AND Merlinus Caledonensistein, a jew.

[PSUFAN]

Merlinus Caledonensistein, a jew

I banned that yid.

[Dr_Phibes]

Notice that no one dares actually arguing a specific point.

Probably because you fart out fifty points in a paragraph.

You're like someone who has soaked a room with piss and then challenges them to mop up two square feet in the corner.

You should be more specific, you argue like a bullhorn.

[Mister Bushice]

Nazi links to the Bush administration? How about the Chimp's grandfather, Prescott Bush?

As has has been pointed out, he's been dead since Dubya was snorting coke for a living. not to mention this bullshit you spewed on page one:

look at the HUGE similarities that transcend particular nationalities and their respective "bogeymen" held up enemies that must be attacked, etc.

Start with the basic factor of the Nazis, the element of their design which they basically invented and utilized with a technique not seen again until Karl Rove, namely the business of propaganda. Do you wonder how a relatively educated nation such as the U.S. could possibly believe to the tune of about 70% that Saddam Hussein was somehow involved in 9/11?

The Germans were educated too.

How about the de facto policy of "American Exceptionalism"? This neocon staple is basically identical to a nasty little concept of the Nazis which they voiced as "Duetch Uber Alles." Ever hear of a German philosopher of the early 20th-century named Fichte? His poisonous and influential drivel was very similar to the wretched puke of such hacks as Rusp Limpdick, Newt Gingrich, and Michael Ledeen.

Now compare the actual deeds of Nazi Germany and the (unelecgted) reign of Cheney 'n Chimp. Examine how under the Necessity of the Reichstag Fire/9/11, all manner of consolidation of power (to the Furher/Unelected President) and restriction of civil rights and constitutional priviledges has ensued. And of course, a major and--exactly like the Nazis--completely unwinnable war against a undefined Enemy has been the most fundamental act of the regime.

THAT is unadulterated pure bullshit, and a prime exampe of why your point of view is so laughable.

"ZioNazi" seems extreme? Gee, do you have any clue as to the utterly racist and military (nice combination) brutality that exists there--by way of American tax dollars?

err not to mention the brutality that exists there by way of the fatah / hamas conflict raging RIGHT NOW, sans Israeli involvement.

"hybrid car incident"? That, I'll assume, is a red herring. .

Yes you lack of short term memory sack of shit. YOU brought it up:

Just like the incident with the Ciimp almost blowing himself up with the hybrid car at the White House,

That was based on some stupid fucking comment by you that Bush almost blew him self up. don't you read the posts where your ass gets handed to you on a platter?

You're a coward and a weasel if you think that forty years somehow erases the murder of thirty-four American servicemen on the U.S.S. Liberty at the hands of the Israelis. "Get over it"??????

You're making it a focal point of hate. How about the missing vietnam POWs? What about the americans that have been murdered or are being held captive by militants in iraq and iran RIGHT NOW? Why aren't you shouting about those?

Of course you can't begin to debate Noam Chomsky--or me.

You're a freak. No one wants to debate a freak who can't even recall what he shat out yesterday.

And admit it, you don't even know who Amy Goodman is, do you?

A 23 year old left wing loud mouth who will most likely swing back to the far right in 15 years after she spits out a few kids and realizes that attempting to right political wrongs at the age of 23 didn't get her anything except wealth, power, and to become the very person she railed against in her youth. IOW, she is just like every other young idealist dating all the way back to the 1960's hippies ( who are the ones in power now BTW) who thought words could change things. How fucking wrong they always are.

However, I do believe that voices of dissent are important in at least providing another point of view, but the greatest effect they have is only to replace one set of shitbag politicans with a fresh set of shitbag politicians who are no better that the previous ones.

Your "take" on the "middle east" is childish and naive at best.

What do know about Rudolph Kastner and the Zionists as they sold out millions of fellow Jews just to establish their disastrous race-state fantasy?

WTF are you talking about? He bargained with the germans to same several hundred prominent jews. Others argue he either cost the lives of hundreds of thousands or that he was no one of great consequence to the germans and thus could not have come close to stopping the holocaust. He certainly has little to do with the establishment of the State of israel.

Believe what you will, many others do the same. His methods were questionable, but even the Israeli supreme court found him innocent of the public charges laid against him. His greatest impact on your so called "Zionist state" was to have the government officals who backed him replaced in new elections. He didn't live long enough to have any other effect.

And seriously - you need to read back in your history books to see exactly who was there first. Not to mention that after WWII the jews were content to have palestine split into two states. It was the arabs who reacted violently

Try real hard to remember that historically the territory of palestine was not named after the people. It was the other way around. The arabs have no greater claim to that area than the jews do, they only react more violently against the presence of those who believe differently than they do.

You really are a myopic one trick pony. Seriously, it's tiring to read your shit.

[LTS TRN 2]

You pathetic hack! You've only offered simple smears and dismissals--as usual. And no, you don't dare actually dispute any particular issue. You run--properly--from any Chomsky debate, and you have the absurd myopic gall to suggest that Kastner was "acquitted" by the Israeli court. His initial conviction, in fact, was overruled by the Supreme Court of Israel because, in their own words, they simply couldn't allow the proper condemnation of their own (Zionist) principles and practices. And Kastner was subsequently assassinated by a mossad agent.

As for my not being outraged at the kidnapping, killing, etc. of Americans in Viet Nam and Iraqi--as opposed to the murder of the U.S.S. Liberty crew, well...we were ATTACKING Viet Nam and Iraq (both grossly illegal and immoral attacks), while Israel was supposed to be our ALLY!!!

What, this just runs off your slimy back? You don't "get" this glaring discrepancy? Why? Why are you so stupid and blindered in your support of a freaking RACE STATE experiment launched by a bunch of devious conniving religious freaks nuts?

Go ahead, try to actually post a real take? A real defense of Zionism. You might start with the fact that prior to the 1948 ZioNazi invasion, Jews lived peacefully and productively throughout the Arab world--including a full third of the local population of Baghdad!

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

Nick,
You're so damn predictable and this broken record bullshit was old before you even heard of it. So what if Chomsky supports the same view as you and he happens to be Jewish? Go read up on Nonie Darwish* or other like minded folks and get back to us.

*She's a Pro-Israel Muslim/Arab for tose who don't know.

[Mister Bushice]

You pathetic hack! You've only offered simple smears and dismissals--as usual. And no, you don't dare actually dispute any particular issue. You run--properly--from any Chomsky debate, and you have the absurd myopic gall to suggest that Kastner was "acquitted" by the Israeli court. His initial conviction, in fact, was overruled by the Supreme Court of Israel because, in their own words, they simply couldn't allow the proper condemnation of their own (Zionist) principles and practices. And Kastner was subsequently assassinated by a mossad agent.

Hey Dumbshit - Kastner was killed BEFORE the court acquitted him. And in their ruling , they gave a much broader definition of why than the simplisitc idiocy you just gave.

As for my not being outraged at the kidnapping, killing, etc. of Americans in Viet Nam and Iraqi--as opposed to the murder of the U.S.S. Liberty crew, well...we were ATTACKING Viet Nam and Iraq (both grossly illegal and immoral attacks), while Israel was supposed to be our ALLY!!!

We weren't attacking Vietnam after 1975. Why weren't the POWs ever released, why weren't the MIAs allowed to be accounted for? DEcades after, we are STILL trying to negotiate.

And I noticed you glossed right over the people iran recently abducted for no reason, or the missed American the iranian government is refusing to help find. Again, your myopic hate vision is very narrow and focused on one target, always has been.

Go ahead, try to actually post a real take? A real defense of Zionism. You might start with the fact that prior to the 1948 ZioNazi invasion, Jews lived peacefully and productively throughout the Arab world--including a full third of the local population of Baghdad!

You keep calling it a zionazi invasion. It was a UN decision after Britain pulled out. It was Britain that was preventing euro Jews from immigrating to israel, it ws the UN that opened that door, it was the Arabs who started burning shit and killing people ( aKa not living peacefully and productively) as a result of that decision.

If these muslim arab you adore so much actually abided by the so called peaceful intent of their religion, they wouldn't have banded together and started the war against israel in 1948.

Don't think I failed to notice you completely ignored all of the points I made where you've been stomped into dust by your own stupid words, either.

[Cuda]

Call out ONE specific subject. I'll nail your ass to the wall.

More of a Pointing out than a calling out, but...

You might start with the fact that prior to the 1948 ZioNazi invasion, Jews lived peacefully and productively throughout the Arab world--including a full third of the local population of Baghdad!

It was an Arab invasion in 1948, dumbshit. The Zionist movement began in the late 19th century.

You've distilled KYOA down to a science, Nicky

[LTS TRN 2]

Really?

In 1948 the Zionist experiment was launched with a backroom gerrymandered deal from a the nascent U.N. Immediately the ZIonist militias and army began a systematic campaign of ethnic cleansing--and gross historical distortion. The murder of entire villages (Deir Yassin) as well as a variety of similar ghastly act of terror (King David Hotel bombing--earlier by a year or so), leading straight through to the various vile schemes such as the Lavon Affair (Google it, bitch), and the utterly Nazi-like intensity of attacking the U.S.S. Liberty (as General Sharon saw to the processing of a few thousand Egyptian prisoners) during a vicious preemptive attack on an Arab world that was not in fact about to attack.

Your drivelous repetition of standard AIPAC rants are hollow.

Israel has carefully prevented any support for Fatah from neighboring moderate Arab nations. Israel wants Hamas to win. They want a clear excuse to continue their heinous and bizarre attacks.


And Whistler, you are the most phony of all--attempting to dismiss Chomsky. You are a disgrace.

[poptart]

And I'll debate--and hammer you --on any subject.

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

Really?

In 1948 the Zionist experiment was launched with a backroom gerrymandered deal from a the nascent U.N. Immediately the ZIonist militias and army began a systematic campaign of ethnic cleansing--and gross historical distortion. The murder of entire villages (Deir Yassin) as well as a variety of similar ghastly act of terror (King David Hotel bombing--earlier by a year or so), leading straight through to the various vile schemes such as the Lavon Affair (Google it, bitch), and the utterly Nazi-like intensity of attacking the U.S.S. Liberty (as General Sharon saw to the processing of a few thousand Egyptian prisoners) during a vicious preemptive attack on an Arab world that was not in fact about to attack.

Your drivelous repetition of standard AIPAC rants are hollow.

Israel has carefully prevented any support for Fatah from neighboring moderate Arab nations. Israel wants Hamas to win. They want a clear excuse to continue their heinous and bizarre attacks.


And Whistler, you are the most phony of all--attempting to dismiss Chomsky. You are a disgrace.

Nick,
I didn't "attempt" to dismiss Chomsky, I actually do dismiss him and his views. To put it in terms you like to relate to, if he was around in the mid/late 30's (as an adult), he would be pimping Hitler and his progressive ideas.

You are without a doubt, the most predictable character ever created for the interwebs. Thanks for the fun.

[LTS TRN 2]

To put it in terms you like to relate to, if he was around in the mid/late 30's (as an adult), he would be pimping Hitler and his progressive ideas.

Care to provide a single example that might support your rash assertion? Care to address a SINGLE actual issue that Chomsky has addressed? Care to actually attempt to address a statement I've made?

.......?


It seems you only offer quick smears. Well, that's a tried and true method as demonstrated by such folks as...well, you know.

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

Nick,
A quick smear is all that your rantings deserves. EOS

[BSmack]

I didn't "attempt" to dismiss Chomsky, I actually do dismiss him and his views. To put it in terms you like to relate to, if he was around in the mid/late 30's (as an adult), he would be pimping Hitler and his progressive ideas.

In reality it happened the other way around. Chomsky, even as a teenager, was very anti-fascist.

http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/people ... -con1.html

[PSUFAN]

I have to agree where Chomsky is concerned.

He gets a lot of flak about his opposition to Zionism, but it is genuine - or rather, it's not "anti-semitism".

Perhaps you may disagree with his take on Israel/Palestine, but it's really going overboard to call him an "anti-semite" because he feels the Israeli People should take a different approach in the middle east.

Chomsky would not be pimping Hitler or his views. If anything, as Bri says, he is the very antithesis of a fascist.

Oppose the man's viewpoints, if you choose - but pretending he's an "anti-semite" because of them is nothing less than a smear, and tantamount to waving a white flag in his direction.

[PSUFAN]

Thanks, good point.

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

OK, guy's let me make this clearer (maybe). My comment about Chomsky was hypothetical in nature and meant to show his opposition to the majority, not to call him or label him an anti-semite. The reason I used "pimping Hitler" was for Nicks constant (and in my eyes absurd) comparison between Israel & Nazi Germany. Umkay?

[Cuda]

Care to address a SINGLE actual issue that Chomsky has addressed?

Chimpsky is a self-indulgent, self-absorbed, retarded douche. He's a linguist not a sociologist or a historian.

FTFY again

[BSmack]

OK, guy's let me make this clearer (maybe). My comment about Chomsky was hypothetical in nature and meant to show his opposition to the majority, not to call him or label him an anti-semite. The reason I used "pimping Hitler" was for Nicks constant (and in my eyes absurd) comparison between Israel & Nazi Germany. Umkay?

Just because Nick is an embarrassment to progressives everywhere does not mean that we should run around fulfilling Goodwin's Law.

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

OK, guy's let me make this clearer (maybe). My comment about Chomsky was hypothetical in nature and meant to show his opposition to the majority, not to call him or label him an anti-semite. The reason I used "pimping Hitler" was for Nicks constant (and in my eyes absurd) comparison between Israel & Nazi Germany. Umkay?

Just because Nick is an embarrassment to progressives everywhere does not mean that we should run around fulfilling Goodwin's Law.

Is Goodwin's Law anything like Godwin's Law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law

Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies[1]) is an adage that Mike Godwin formulated in 1990. The law states:[2]

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

Godwin's Law does not question whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that one arising is increasingly probable. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued,[3] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

Although in one of its early forms Godwin's Law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[4] the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and more recently blog comment threads and wiki talk pages.

Godwin has stated that he introduced Godwin's Law as an experiment in memetics.[2]

I would also say that Nick in his own special way, breaks Godwin's Law as he introduces Nazi a/o Hitler right from the start of a "discussion".

[Mister Bushice]

Really?

In 1948 the Zionist experiment was launched with a backroom gerrymandered deal from a the nascent U.N. Immediately the ZIonist militias and army began a systematic campaign of ethnic cleansing--and gross historical distortion.

Gross historical distortion is actually a very good description of your shit. You represent only the violence israel has committed, and you ignore the violence that spews out of the arab world like a flood.

In reality the etzel were formed to defend the jewish settlements from the repeated attacks by the arabs. It wasn't until several years after they began that they started retaliation attacks. They were never about ethnic cleansing. They defended the Jewish state and their belief that Jews had a right to be there. You conveniently overlook the violence instigated by the arabs.

IOW things are much the same today as they were back then. The arab world refuses to accpet the presence of the jews, and their small fanatical terror groups continue the misery of their forefathers.

Israel has carefully prevented any support for Fatah from neighboring moderate Arab nations.

Total Crap. Lets see you show proof of this.

And Whistler, you are the most phony of all--attempting to dismiss Chomsky. You are a disgrace.

I disagree with chomskys theory that the arabs have tried to accept the reality of the state of israel over the years. The arab world has been on the offensive against israelis in the middle east since the 30's. Perhaps not as governments, but as small militant groups supported in secrecy by governments. Hamas is a prime example of that. Hamas' charter (and the reason for its existence for nearly twenty years ) calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state. No matter what way you spin it, that is nothing close to being accomodating.

[Terry in Crapchester]

he is the very antithesis of a fascist.

So was Hitler. National Socialism had absolutely nothing to do with Fascism.

Link?

I'll grant you that the two are not identical, due in large part to historical and cultural differences between Germany and Southern Europe. But to claim that one "had absolutely nothing" to do with the other is a bit disingenuous.

[Dr_Phibes]

There's nothing wrong with his historical work, he knows he's going to get the kitchen sink thrown at him, so he comes prepared. His footnotes and his sources are always extensive and always impeccable and it all comes from governmental archives - so he's difficult to beat. I can't think of a debate I've heard him lose.

I've heard people accuse him of taking things too literally, though somehow with very literal interpretation of quotes from documents etc, he is still able to arrive at the most plausible conclusion - but that's probably just the nature of the source material he's working with.

I'd criticise him for his personal beliefs - he offers no specific programme of change, refers to his beliefs as a tendency and tradition, but that's part and parcel of being a Libertarian Socialist (re: hippy). And when he cracks on Marx, Lenin he's quick to admit he hasn't read it, so fairs fair.

[PSUFAN]

he offers no specific programme of change

Exactly what I was thinking before, honestly

[Dr_Phibes]

he offers no specific programme of change

Exactly what I was thinking before, honestly

Again, I think it's in accordance with his Libertarian Socialist beliefs - that is, he doesn't want to sketch out any blueprints, or programmes for people to follow - which is one of the main characteristics of Libertarian Socialism. It is up to those involved in struggle to determine what's best for them in any given situations - it is very much against the tendency of elitism who profess to represent the people but think they are not intelligent/conscious enough so they need a small group of intellectuals to lead them. They take great exception to the concept of a vangaurd party. He goes into a great deal of detail about it in 'The Chomsky Reader'.

[LTS TRN 2]

Well, Whistler and Busher are properly spinning in their hissing corner.

Chomsky not only subsumes like no other PERSON the actual complexity and base truth of human driven avarice, but he presents it calmly (if..well, suffice to say that never have more essential and aligned assessments of human culture been offered in more dry and unemotional expression) and fearlessly. Think...how many other prominent individuals would dare to to say the truth?

As for his arguments, of course no one can debate him. No one can dispute any of his plainly stated facts.

But, because he of course deplores and stands in horror at this generation's nightmare race-state fantasy experiment...what?..the lunatic Christer element starts smearing him?

Noam Chomsky is truly one of the greatest Americans--and world citizens--of which we'll ever know.