T1B

Posted: **Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:34 pm**

I actually agree with mv here. The NFL is now going to hire unidentified people to comb the stadiums during games for shit like this. This will probably hit the pockets of John Q. Fan down the road somewhere.

Posted: **Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:44 pm**

Jesus saw a crowd chasing down Bill Belichick to stone him.

Jesus approached them. "What's going on here, anyway?" he asked.

"This "Genius's" video assistant was found spying on an opponent's defensive signals, and the law (No relation to TY) says we should stone him, because he used videotape!. If he didn't use videotape, it would be completely legal." one of the crowd responded.

"Wait," yelled Jesus. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Suddenly, a stone was thrown from out of the sky, and knocked the Bill Belichick on the side of his head.

"Aw, c'mon, Dad..." Jesus cried, "I'm trying to make a point here!"

Posted: **Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:54 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Squeely8 wrote:They have been penalized and will pay that penalty. It ends right there.
Guess again, shitstain. This is only the beginning. You might want to make yourself comfortable cause this isn't going away any time soon.

You are a fat, fucking douchebag fan of a team of shitdicked cheaters and whimpering pussies. Enjoy that asterisk, fuckstick.

Guess that will give you the perfect excuse when your team gets their asses kicked this weekend. So surprised that you didn't have the balls to take up the sig bet offer......oh wait no I am not. BTW you have never met me and have not seen a picture of me in over two years. You might be surprised how things can change.....

Posted: **Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:07 pm**

So, if you are to doll out punishment for innappropriate actions.

What deserves the harsher penalty?

Coaches videotaping defensive signals or coaches purchasing illegal performance enhancing drugs.

Coach buys HGH vs. Coach has assistant videotaping defensive signals

Posted: **Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:54 pm**

Jack wrote:So, if you are to doll out punishment for innappropriate actions.

Only a gay pedophile Patfan would "doll" out punishment".

"OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH you dolled me really hard. Do it again!!!"

Posted: **Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:05 pm**

Mikey wrote:
Jack wrote:So, if you are to doll out punishment for innappropriate actions.

Only a gay pedophile Patfan would "doll" out punishment".

"OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH you dolled me really hard. Do it again!!!"

Thats two homo references in a row from you. Are you trying to tell us something? Or is Gayder James ghost writing for you?

Posted: **Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:08 pm**

Neely8 wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Jack wrote:So, if you are to doll out punishment for innappropriate actions.

Only a gay pedophile Patfan would "doll" out punishment".

"OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH you dolled me really hard. Do it again!!!"

Thats two homo references in a row from you. Are you trying to tell us something? Or is Gayder James ghost writing for you?

Nothing of the sort. I'm just pointing out that in most areas west of Worcester you won't find too many men playing with dolls.

Posted: **Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:19 pm**

It surprises me how many chowds are defending or deflecting this, not just here but the many I know personally.

Posted: **Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:34 pm**

Bucmonkey wrote:It surprises me how many chowds are defending or deflecting this, not just here but the many I know personally.

I have neither defended or deflected. I said my team is guilty and to punish them. The league has. So we as Patriot fans are supposed to wallow in misery for the rest of the season? Now that the penalty has been handed down it is time to talk about football......

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:48 am**

Nixhex wrote:If players are suspended within the current season for cheating then so should a coach. That's the only problem I have with Goodell's decision. 4 games at least.

Absolutely correct.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:22 am**

I read the article on Wade Wilson who has had diabetes for 24 years and was using the hormone for treatment(obviously since he's NOT playing).

I am no doctor but am wondering if it actually is a plausible excuse.

The Pats only won each SB by three pts.....I think any advantage in the parity NFL is a big advantage.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:09 am**

If any team is stupid enough to let another team's assistant on their sidelines, with a fucking camera no less, then they deserve to get fucked. It's not like the Pats bought some sort of billion dollar Star Wars program and were getting over in a surreptitious manner. This is the equivalent of a Pats player walking into the other team's huddle, listening to the play call, and then lining up on the other side of the ball. I'm sure that type of manuever is against the rules as well, however, were it to happen, I'd say fuck the team stupid enough to let it go down. Fuck the other 31 teams and fuck all the haters in this thread. I bet you cunts are the same losers who give away their life savings in a pyramid scheme. Seriously, there's some dude with a camera jammed in your assistant coach's face for 60 minutes and you just let it happen? Go fuck yourselves.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:17 am**

mvscal wrote:cheaters and whimpering pussies.

RACK the Merroidman and LC reference!

If "cheating" was such an egregious offense in the NFL, then why was Merroidman voted to the Pro Bowl the same season he got busted for juicing? Your boy got busted for 4 games and no one gave a shit. Belichick got busted for zero games and no one will give a shit. Except for the haters. Go fuck yourself and your shit team, cuntlips.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:06 am**

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:If any team is stupid enough to let another team's assistant on their sidelines, with a fucking camera no less, then they deserve to get fucked.

If any team is stupid enough to place their assistant on another team's sideline, with a camera no less, then they deserve to be punished, mocked, and viewed as having cheated in order to attain the success that they have gained.

Stop spinning, fella, it's REALLY bad form.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:32 am**

T Rex, you are an idiot if you believe the diabetes excuse for illegally purchasing HGH.
You go to the doctor for diabetes treatment not the internet.

Bucmonkey,

read first!

****

Mikey,

I did not hink you were gay! When did you come out of the closet?

or are you the new spellchecker for T1B?

*****

Belichick was wrong but there are much worse things.

GO PATS!!!

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:38 am**

Jack wrote:
Mikey,

I did not hink you were gay! When did you come out of the closet?

or are you the new spellchecker for T1B?

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Why don't you just go ahead and doll out some punishment you fucking pervert.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:06 am**

Mikey,

Are you going through some rough times? What happened to you??
Did someone steal your password??

You are embarassing yourself or at least your name!!

Don't you realize that the person posting a picture of a little kid having sex with a doll and consistantly
making gay and pedophile references would be considered as very sexually disturbed ??

Damn Boy, get some help!!

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:46 am**

Neely8 wrote:So we as Patriot fans are supposed to wallow in misery for the rest of the season?

Why yes, yes you are.

Because anything and everything your cheating ass team has accomplished in the Belichick era is now suspect, and you know it.

So wallow away. Been doing a pretty fine job of it too, might I add.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:19 am**

Jack wrote:Belichick was wrong but there are much worse things.

okay? what is Worse?

a. CHEATING in the NFL.

b. NBA REF Gambling Scandal.

c. MLB HGH hubBub.

..Ummmm.....the 1st TWO have a MONEY TRAIL?

let me make this concise because you are a SimpleFvck.

WHY WOULD THE PATRIOTS CHEAT....c'mon, THEY are an Almost DYNASTY???? maybe the COACH HAS TO WIN?

BeliCHICKEN has a very DARK Side....his marriage, his Son, etc....

WHY WOULD BELICHICKEN CHEAT?

????? did he HAVE TOO ?????

i have NO Proof--->No Link.

i'm throwing this OUT....cause you said that "there are worse things....."

this isn't going Away---like mvscal said.

as for your shot at TRIXIE...you missed.

Wade was taking HGH to get a Boner...'cuz his Diabetes wouldn't let him.

him getting 5 Games for that is Retarded WHEN COMPARED to BeliCHICKEN getting NO GAMES.

Fines are Bullshit; the Draft Pick(s) are a start; but, BeliCHICKEN should have a COMPLETE Vacation for a couple of Weeks.

taking your Shot at Mikey????

well? you'll have to dole/doll out things and then be able to TAKE'em back?

props Jack...as always...

we're thankful that you don't LINK web pages directly in here anymore.....HA! 1st Day as M0D SMACK up inthisbizzzotch!!!!

btw...i wiped OFF on the Drapes...you may Go now.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:25 am**

Jack wrote: Belichick was wrong but there are much worse things.

GO PATS!!!

IN - However, I will say that I feel Goods came down VERY light on BB and Co. for this. I think he should have suspended BB for 2 games and taken the same compliment of picks from the Pats for the 2009 draft AS WELL. 'That' would have been making a statement. However, it is what it is - back to football. GO PATS!!!!!!

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:44 am**

...Th...says....WHEW!!!!!

"BACK to FOOTBALL!" :roll:

there WILL be another SHOE to Drop.....fyi...

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:04 am**

Qbert wrote:...Th...says....WHEW!!!!!

"BACK to FOOTBALL!" :roll:

there WILL be another SHOE to Drop.....fyi...

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Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:01 pm**

War Wagon wrote:Because anything and everything your cheating ass team has accomplished in the Belichick era is now suspect, and you know it.

LINK? This is no worse than a holding or pass interference call. They got bagged and were penalized virtually nothing, because it's a shit offense. If stealing the opposing team's signals is so damned important to their success, then how in the fuck did the Pats dismantle the Jets with no camera help whatsoever last week? Remember, it got confiscasted in the 1st quarter before they were able to analyze any film.

I have heard about 15 current and former players interviewed this week on Sports radio, and all of them have said every team they ever played on employed some sort of system to steal the opposing team's signals. To a man they said it gave their team very little advantage whatsoever. In fact, many said it hurt them because the opposing team would change their signals mid-stream and you'd get burned because you'd call plays based on misinformation they were given you. It's one thing to steal signs, it's a totally different thing to be fed the wrong signs and get fucked because of it.

This is much ado about nothing. Props on being swept up in the latest media over-hype.

You want to talk about cheating the game, let's talk about the Colts owner changing the rules of the game to suit his team's needs. Fuck Bob Irsay = "Patriots bitch slap my team every year... okay let's start calling bullshit PI calls on their D." Let's talk about the phantom call against Troy Brown last year that virtually gave the Colts the Lombardi trophy.

Colts 2007 Super Bowl Champs***

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:10 pm**

R-Jack wrote:Do I really need to look at past posts to see if any of the Taperiots fans spinning into oblivion went to the asterisk card on the subject of Barry Bonds or went the "everyone does it. You haters. Don't be holier than thou. How does it affect the outcome?" route?

Barry Bonds used steroids. Last time I checked those were against the law. You can go to jail for that. Is Bill Belichick possibly going to go to jail for videotaping? Apples and hand grenades......

Unfortunently we are finding that everybody does do it. Shawn Merriman, Rodney Harrison, Troy Glaus, Jay Gibbons, Barry Bons, ETC...... All juicers and cheaters however they are just the tip of the iceberg. Alot more names coming out soon.

Belichick's court date is in the court of public opinion. He obviously has been found guilty by Patriot fans, and fans of other teams. The Judge---commish---handed down his sentence. As a Patriot fan I think the penalty fits the crime and then some. No team has ever been stripped of a #1 pick. The fines levied against Bill and the team are record fines. Bill & the team will pay those fines and move on. I doubt fans of other teams will but as a Patriot fan it is all we can do.......

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:21 pm**

poptart wrote:it's REALLY bad form.

That's always been Ucant's style. 9 months ago, he was starting threads about Merriman and what he was wearing, calling the Chargers a shit team, dogging on a young player for making a mistake. Now it's ok for a head coach *** to cheat. It doesn't get any more hippo critical or hilarious. Ucant has surpassed upstart for the biggest joke of a Patsfan.

***Entire team

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:56 pm**

ucant wrote:This is no worse than a holding or pass interference call.

..... or an incomplete pass ruling.

Your take is correct, depending on the point in the game in which the ONE call occurs, of course.

That's why it's the Mount Everest of surreals to have the league office playing judge and jury in a matter of ........ ??rule violation?? bwaa ....

YOU'RE out of order!
YOU'RE out of order!
THE WHOLE TRIAL is out of order!
THEY'RE out of order!
........

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:05 pm**

jiminphilly wrote:So, is it safe to assume the Pats had a spy on the Iggles sideline during the SB? The Pats seemed to know where the Eagles where the blitz was coming from in the 3rd Quarter...

Teams routinely change their signals from game to game, so that when the tapes are reviewed opposition won't be able to pick up on them for the next week's game.

The logic here is that the Pats were recording signals in the first half - at half time these were communicated to the Pats players - so they knew what was coming when the calls were flashed or yelled out from the opposing sidelines.

No question that was cheating at one of the highest levels I've ever heard of.

As for the $500K fine - I'm sure just like in college, there are plenty of "boosters" that will be glad to float Bellicek that without blinking.
You can't asterick a game(s) beacuse in the end, the games must always be won or lost on the field - regardless.
You also can't ban them from the playoffs - that would just reward a team with a mediocre record ('sup 2006 Chiefs?) by allowing them in.

Loss of the first round pick will sting, but it's not a "death penalty" -
To really have hurt the Pats Goodell could have cut their salary cap number by "X" millions - but the players union would never have allowed that.
I'd have taken the Pats first, second and third year selections for two years.
That would have put them in a hole that would take a couple years to crawl out of.

Funny thing hearing the Chowds try and spin this.
If this had been the Raiduhs or Clots - Chowdhead's would have already filled 3 pages calling for dismantling of the offending franchise

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:54 pm**

Rack...ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 for owning this page

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:04 pm**

KC scott posted the most intelligent take in this thread!!

I concur!!

QBERT,

I think that murder, rape, pedophilia and using selling and obtaining illegal performance improving drugs are worse than what Belichick did!
Belichick was wrong and he ruined the Patriots image but he is not a murderer, rapist, pedophile or drug pusher as far as I know.

Belichick is very similar to Barry Bonds and Richard Nixon. He is obsessed and paranoid about being the absolute best no matter what.

Richard Nixon would have won the 1972 election. he did not have to spy on the Dems but he was so damn paranoid. Hell, he was elected even after the scandal broke. it wasn't until 6 months into his term did the public turn against him.

Barry Bonds was a sure fire first ballot hall of famer. He (allegedly) saw what Sammy Sosa and McGwire were doing and started using performance improving drugs.
He didn't have to.

Bill Belichick had already won 3 superbowls and has what seems to be the most talented team (or at least 1 of the top 6) in the NFL. He was playing the stinking Jets. He did not have to videotape that game in order to win. But, he was so obsessed with supreme victory that he broke the rules.

and now The Patriots good name has been besmirched. (use that one in a sentence, Mikey!)

***************************

This too will pass just like Ray Lewis' and Rae Caruth's murder charges, Mark Chmura's rape of a little girl, Bill Romanowski's roid rage which shattered his teammates eye socket, the Viking's Love Boat scandal, Mike Vick's animal cruelty, Joe Namath's "I Love You!", etc....

It will pass but it won't be forgotten.

as I have said before, I think the Patriot's organization should suspend Bill for 2 games and then we will move on.

***

part of this thread was inspired by WEEI!

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:05 pm**

Is this cheating ?

Since I know you guys have been in a blood lust the past few days, I know full well what I've been saying about this hilarious videogate battle between Bill Belichick, Eric Mangini and the league hasn't sunk in to most guys because they just don't want to hear it.

IMO, it's the same sort of mob behaviour that brought us a demo congress.

So, be that as it may, I think we should all take a step back and look at a first principles scenario.

Imagine, if you will, that you are a head coach in the early seventies, when having individual D coordinators had become league wide. You line up for a game against some team and play the first half.

As you take a well deserved smoke break, one of your junior assistants, Sparky Chadwick, comes up to you and says "Coach, I've been watching the other coaches and I've noticed something. I think I can tell what plays are being called."

So this puts you in your first ethical conundrum. If the kid can tell what the other team is calling, should you hear it? Is being able to tell what the other side is calling just by looking at them cheating?

Hmmmmm.

So you say, "uh, what the fuck are you talking about Chadwick?"

Chadwick puts on his glasses (technology), grabs his pen and notepad (technology) and says, "I made notes about what the D coordinator was signaling on the sideline, and everytime he took off his hat and wiped his brow, they went man to man. When he picked his nose, they always went zone. And when he scratched his ass, they blitzed. Here, I have it all down on paper."

Sparky shows you his notes and damn, if he isn't right.

So then, you're presented with your second and defining conundrum.

Do you say to yourself "I can't use this information. That would be cheating"?

Do you tell Sparky to burn his notes and get his miserable weasel-esque ass out of your sight?

Or do you say "Thanks Chadwick, from now on it's your job to do this every game" and then go into the dressing room, grab your qb and tell him "watch the other guys D coordinator. When he takes off his hat it's man to man, when he picks his nose it's zone, and when he scratches his ass it's a blitz"?

If you go the first route, you get to stand on the sideline watching plays you know are coming but your team doesn't. This may also involve losing.

Or, if you go the second route, you watch your O march up and down the field and walk off the field as winners.

Now, keep in mind that football is a wargame, involving both strength, skill, strategy and tactics.

Game film is watched, teams are scouted and players are analyzed as well as game plans.

So coaches are watched.

It's called getting good intelligence.

So you tell me, what would you do in this situation?

Would you use this information, freely gathered from a public place documented from actions performed in front of throngs of viewers?

Or would you refuse to use it because it's cheating?

My view is of course, you use the information.

Don't be fucking ridiculous. This is football.

It's part of the game. Always has been.

Your view may be different.

Tell me why.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:00 pm**

Ask Mike Shanahan

It's no rumor, pal. "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside ... of_reilly/

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:19 pm**

upstart wrote:Ask Mike Shanahan

How about we ask an All-Pro guy with class like Brian Dawkins instead, you hardened coil of dogshit.

From PFT:

As to the Eagles in Super Bowl XXXIX, whom the Patriots beat by a field goal to cap the 2004 season, some of the players think that the answer could be yes. "I was giving them a whole bunch of credit for making halftime adjustments. . . . It's troublesome," safety Brian Dawkins said on Thursday. "I don't know how different to say it -- it bothers me.

Or the Panthers from thier other sham of a Super Bowl appearance:

"I know in that Super Bowl game . . . we worked on some stuff that we had never ran against Tom Brady," Buckner said. "We got in that game and he called out everything that we did. . . . It makes you wonder about the knowledge that Tom Brady and those guys [had] because they literally in plays knew where you were going."

Fuck you cunts-your titles are forever fucking tainted you gutless gushing twats.

Lets take a fucking poll: How many people really think the Faketriots, who won each super bowl they were in by 3 fucking points, would have really won those games had they not been mic'ing up thier defensive players or videotaping the damn coaches gameplan and signals from 20 feet away.........

Exactly.

0 for 3, you fucking cheating taint rashes.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:50 pm**

Raider fan said what??

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:11 pm**

This is high comedy coming from the dumbest. fucking. fanbase. ever. (Congrats, Chargersnizz-Any fanbase thats labotomized enough to chant "Yankees suck" after a fucking Super Bowl Steal deserves to be nuked and annihilated. Chargertard remains in second until that incredibly idiotic feat is trumped-which is Very, Very Unlikely.)

Jack wrote:Raider fan said what??

We beat the fuck out of you and stab you if your run your cocksuckers in our backyard (or in chargertard's case, our other backyard in Queercom).........but thats the fanbase. Link me up to where any of our Super Bowl wins or regular season wins have been in question because we sent a fucking cameraman to the opposing teams sidelines to videotape opposing coaches and zoom in on thier gameplans.

Exactly, douchesquirt. There is none.

Your assbag squad was just found guilty of said douchebaggery for YEARS and was fined heavily in the form of draft picks and cash.

Now opposing players are calling your scumbag team out...........

Game over, dumbfucks.

Mark this in stone: The Gaytriots will never win a Super Bowl again-Period.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:58 pm**

......

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:00 pm**

wins have been in question because we sent a fucking cameraman to the opposing teams sidelines to videotape opposing coaches

So what,who's fault is it the Raiders don't have the fucking intelligence to use innovation in their game ?

Video is just a record of what you see with your own two eyes.

There is no magic to it. It can't tell you what it all means.

The fact remains that this was perfectly legal until Eric the Rat gave away corporate secrets and the losers that hadn't thought of it lobbied the Competition Committee to write a rule against it.

Belichick and Kraft had already had the Competition Committee rule aginst Pats tactics that were perfectly legal.

They decided to take a stand with this one by screwing Mangini and embarrassing the league and pointing the finger at the competition committee.

fuck their legacy, they could give a shit about the tarnish on their rings.

This is war.

When they win the Superbowl, it'll be the greatest moment in NFL history.

Where the sport's greatest ever iconoclast gives the finger to ALL the haters and the morons that he despises so much

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:03 pm**

upstart wrote:

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:23 pm**

RACK RJ and MV.

this is probably the best thread to happen on the board since mt. rumpleheffer's husband posted his fat fucking pig of a wife's picture on the interwebs.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:30 pm**

It's amazing how incredibly naive some people are.

Posted: **Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:34 pm**

Naive? Your idiot coach got busted red handed, got the hammer dropped on him, and your argument is about how brilliant he is.

Go fuck yourself, moron.

T1B

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