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Mister Bushice wrote:My great aunt drove the entire family crazy with her constant harping on anyone stupid enough to get too close to pray with her for hours every day. No one wanted to visit her because she was truly relentless. I think her husband died young so he could get some peace in hell. Prayers at 5 am, 90 minute vespers 7 days a week, church visits every day, decade upon decade of Hail Marys, and Novenas that would choke a saint. The woman was a rosary juggernaut.

We would have paid her to stop.
You had one of those too? My great aunt was a Lutheran, so you didn't have the whole rosary/novena thing. But she did take great pleasure in calling those who wouldn't go to church with her unwashed heathens and what not. Especially at about 10:30 on Christmas Eve during the family Christmas party when she would start recruiting the drunks to go to Midnight Services. Yea, that always was a sight not to be missed. :lol:

BTW: She, being an east coast Lutheran and all, always had a great level of dislike towards, "that damn Missouri Synod". I have to say that the thought of that right now makes me chuckle. Maybe, just maybe, she got one thing right.
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warren wrote:
Oh, and one last thing mensa, absolute statements are the sign of the ignorant, uninformed, agenda driven punk assed bitches such as yourself.
didn's someone mention IRONY earlier....

I think this fits the bill......
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Felix wrote:
warren wrote:
Oh, and one last thing mensa, absolute statements are the sign of the ignorant, uninformed, agenda driven punk assed bitches such as yourself.
didn's someone mention IRONY earlier....

I think this fits the bill......
Well, what do you expect from a Texas tard who can’t tell the difference between a pizza and a pancake?
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Goober McTuber wrote: Well, what do you expect from a Texas tard who can’t tell the difference between a pizza and a pancake?

Cut him some slack -- pizza and pancakes probably don't look much different in prison.
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just why the fukk does he have a pancake or whateverthefukk it is on his head?
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That isn't happening making your idiotic comments about irony genuinely ironic.
Of course, a tad dense is an understatement in some cases.
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smackaholic wrote:just why the fukk does he have a pancake or whateverthefukk it is on his head?
now you've done it.....
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Goober McTuber wrote:
Felix wrote:
warren wrote:
Oh, and one last thing mensa, absolute statements are the sign of the ignorant, uninformed, agenda driven punk assed bitches such as yourself.
didn's someone mention IRONY earlier....

I think this fits the bill......
Well, what do you expect from a Texas tard who can’t tell the difference between a pizza and a pancake?
Well, what do you expect from a fucking moron that's main thrust at me is that my monitor doesn't differentiate between pizza and pancakes.

Do actually posses the ability to realize that calling someone a "tard" based on where they hail from and that they didn't know what food item was placed upon someone's head is as fucking ridiculous as you being born?

Who give's a fuck what the dude has on his head? Make a point you sorry assed retard. If all you can come up with is a retort that, I have a home in Texas and don't like pizza or pancakes, then you are in for a pink slip from McDonald's and missing every innocent bystander in a mall because you couldn't discharge a weapon to save you boyfriend's life.

Brighten up school bitch. I was born in England, have lived and worked in countries you might only locate if your butch threw a lucky dart and I grew up and spend time here because I have a family interest in some land in Texas.

Oh, and by the way you silly fuck, come to Texas and roll that smack around, there's more money, education, and bad ass redneck motherfuckers that would shove those words right down your dong silo before you jump into your lime green hybrid and have dickweed push start your ass while you grind yet another gear.

You're in the mix now too, bitch. I hate video games, but I love typing out responses to absolute mindless, faggots that only call themselves bicurious because they pray to satan every night that might even have a chance at a female hooker who would mount their limp noodle. You were vilified in school because you were but ass ugly and tried way too hard to fit in, you linked up with the new goth movement, meaning sucking lot's of dick and bitching about jocks. Your IQ left you with a 2.0 at best and no one clapped when you gimped across the stage in the way to small gown they gave you so that they could mock you, and now you've found your calling: an anonomys message board where you have zero opinion and a place to hang out until mommy goes to sleep and you can break the fireman of Milwaukee calender and live out your Jergen's lecidious lotion rhapsody.

You fucks are an absolute comedic riot, you ought to cross the picket lines and write for john stewart. All that takes is a hatred for Bush, common sense and a fascination with queers, I'll bet the job is already yours.

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warren wrote:Do actually posses the ability to realize that calling someone a "tard" based on where they hail from...




Oh dear Allah.



Again, give me a minute to mull this over and make sure I got this right...



So... In a "your smack sucks" post, in which you chide someone for running region-of-residence smack, you somehow thought this:

warren wrote:...you are in for a pink slip from McDonald's

Was a good idea?



Please tell me I didn't just fucking read that?


Shit... I did read that.


"Your smack sucks because you made fun of me because I live in Texas. Fuck, that smack is so bad, it'll get you fired from your job at McDonalds, where you work."



Well, I guess on the bright side, surely Goobs appreciates you doing his light work for him, and is thankful he didn't have to kick your ass, since you did a much better job of it than he ever could have.


"Your smack sucks so bad, you must work at McDonalds!"



Holy fuck, dude -- all of a sudden, KCPaul isn't looking like nearly such a dumbass.
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and is thankful he didn't have to kick your ass, since you did a much better job of it than he ever could have.
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Y2K wrote:
and is thankful he didn't have to kick your ass, since you did a much better job of it than he ever could have.
YHKYOA Smack!
Rack Dinsdale for pumping up the volume to 1...

Looks like the gauntlet has been thrown...

It IS on!

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Y2K wrote:YHKYOA Smack!

Yeah, I hoped someone would get a kick out of that.


But if ever the overused "YHKYOA" was appropriate, warren just hit the jackpot.
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Yeah...this shit is just to damn funny to pass up.

warren, consider yourself a tool.
warren wrote:Well, what do you expect from a fucking moron that's main thrust at me is that my monitor doesn't differentiate between pizza and pancakes.
So your Mac Classic 2's monitor doesn't have a color screen and you can't tell the painfully obvious difference between a pizza and a pancake. Sucks that your tech is so 80's brah. Still, even in not-so-glorious b&w, a monkey would be able to identify the pancake.
Do actually posses the ability to realize that calling someone a "tard" based on where they hail from and that they didn't know what food item was placed upon someone's head is as fucking ridiculous as you being born?
Hmm, sentence structure here is a C- at best. And how, pray tell is Dinsdale being born ridiculous? Dins is a smart and funny guy. I many not always agree with him, but he is entertaining. And that alone puts his worth as a human being light years ahead of your tight-assed, whiny rhetoric.
Who give's a fuck what the dude has on his head? Make a point you sorry assed retard. If all you can come up with is a retort that, I have a home in Texas and don't like pizza or pancakes, then you are in for a pink slip from McDonald's and missing every innocent bystander in a mall because you couldn't discharge a weapon to save you boyfriend's life.

Brighten up school bitch. I was born in England, have lived and worked in countries you might only locate if your butch threw a lucky dart and I grew up and spend time here because I have a family interest in some land in Texas.
Seriously Bible-bitch, what's up with all of the homo-refs? You projecting your hidden passion for a chance to butter Dinsdale's batter? I thought your god was against such things. Strike one for you on the long and twisting burning path.
Oh, and by the way you silly fuck, come to Texas and roll that smack around, there's more money, education, and bad ass redneck motherfuckers that would shove those words right down your dong silo before you jump into your lime green hybrid and have dickweed push start your ass while you grind yet another gear.
Ah yes, nothing that says "I'm a gutless little turd" more than making physical threats over the web.

What the hell, steers and queers state, eh?
You're in the mix now too, bitch. I hate video games, but I love typing out responses to absolute mindless, faggots
No shock here. He admits freely to "loving to type to faggots". There are other internet sites for your sort of perversion warrenette. Please, hit the X here and go play with your own, like you do yourself.
You were vilified in school because you were but ass ugly and tried way too hard to fit in, you linked up with the new goth movement, meaning sucking lot's of dick and bitching about jocks.
Did that hole deeper with the fag imagery douchedrop.
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It's Jon Stewart dumbfuck. Once again, back to the blackboard and clean those damn erasers.

Your fucking slacking.
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Jay in Phoenix wrote:And how, pray tell is Dinsdale being born ridiculous?
I think he was adressing Goobs, but it's hard to tell.


I many not always agree with him

Bro, one of two things needs to happen -- you either need to agree with me at least 90% of the time or more, or 10% of the time or less. Anything outside of these parameters casts serious doubts on your mental fitness.
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Word Dins. Word.

10 % it is.
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Mike the Lab Rat wrote:Religion IS open to change
Technically, sure. But by nature, it resists change, as an institution.

And in the context Penn & Teller's video, it isn't. That's what I was addressing. Could it change, eventually? Sure.

While science on the other hand, no doubt will change. Hell, any number of major paradigms could change in the next 10-20 years.

Those who STILL seem to think ID should be taught in science class will still be around in 10-20 years. Hell, their ilk have been around forever.
Mike the Lab Rat wrote:Religion and science are BOTH wholly man-made creations that try to make sense of the world. Each has its appropriate place.
Try telling that to the ID folks who keep pushing for this horseshit to be taught in science classes.

We don't disagree, MtLR. I didn't narrow my definitions very well earlier.
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'sup, Dio?


Btw, you fuckers are slipping. I thought this thread would have hit 10 pages about 48 hours after socal posted it.
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Jay in Phoenix wrote:Yeah...this shit is just to damn funny to pass up.

warren, consider yourself a tool.
warren wrote:Well, what do you expect from a fucking moron that's main thrust at me is that my monitor doesn't differentiate between pizza and pancakes.
So your Mac Classic 2's monitor doesn't have a color screen and you can't tell the painfully obvious difference between a pizza and a pancake. Sucks that your tech is so 80's brah. Still, even in not-so-glorious b&w, a monkey would be able to identify the pancake.
Do actually posses the ability to realize that calling someone a "tard" based on where they hail from and that they didn't know what food item was placed upon someone's head is as fucking ridiculous as you being born?
Hmm, sentence structure here is a C- at best. And how, pray tell is Dinsdale being born ridiculous? Dins is a smart and funny guy. I many not always agree with him, but he is entertaining. And that alone puts his worth as a human being light years ahead of your tight-assed, whiny rhetoric.
Who give's a fuck what the dude has on his head? Make a point you sorry assed retard. If all you can come up with is a retort that, I have a home in Texas and don't like pizza or pancakes, then you are in for a pink slip from McDonald's and missing every innocent bystander in a mall because you couldn't discharge a weapon to save you boyfriend's life.

Brighten up school bitch. I was born in England, have lived and worked in countries you might only locate if your butch threw a lucky dart and I grew up and spend time here because I have a family interest in some land in Texas.
Seriously Bible-bitch, what's up with all of the homo-refs? You projecting your hidden passion for a chance to butter Dinsdale's batter? I thought your god was against such things. Strike one for you on the long and twisting burning path.
Oh, and by the way you silly fuck, come to Texas and roll that smack around, there's more money, education, and bad ass redneck motherfuckers that would shove those words right down your dong silo before you jump into your lime green hybrid and have dickweed push start your ass while you grind yet another gear.
Ah yes, nothing that says "I'm a gutless little turd" more than making physical threats over the web.

What the hell, steers and queers state, eh?
You're in the mix now too, bitch. I hate video games, but I love typing out responses to absolute mindless, faggots
No shock here. He admits freely to "loving to type to faggots". There are other internet sites for your sort of perversion warrenette. Please, hit the X here and go play with your own, like you do yourself.
You were vilified in school because you were but ass ugly and tried way too hard to fit in, you linked up with the new goth movement, meaning sucking lot's of dick and bitching about jocks.
Did that hole deeper with the fag imagery douchedrop.
You fucks are an absolute comedic riot, you ought to cross the picket lines and write for john stewart.
It's Jon Stewart dumbfuck. Once again, back to the blackboard and clean those damn erasers.

Your fucking slacking.
Longwinded I may have been but spelling smack and using the monitor reference to get across the point that I don't give a fuck wether it was pizza, pancake or the pope's hat was the intended barb.

I will concede that the homo-smack is both tired and the refuge of the ignorant and lazy, yet I find it not surprizing at all, that you boomeranged it right back to yourself by going all "warrenette" up on me and suggesting I go to homo-sites to ply my wares. It's kind of IRONIC wouldn't you say? I also find interesting that you even knew of these alleged sites.

I guess you were just surfing the web and stumbled upon said sites, huh champ, weren't you?

I'll really try to put more effort into dismantling you and your gang of internet warriors.

The last thing I have to take umbrage with you and your "I'm atheist, I'm cool, and I'm proud" posse is that you and your ilk are the one's that keep bringing the religion bit into the fray. I have gone out of my way to state that I have a belief system but I reserve judgement on anyone for any of their creed, yet you use the "Christer" game plan at least as much as I used the homo stank.

I hope you can wrap your obviously brilliant head around the fact that you critisized me repeatedly for slamming your significant other by using derogatory homosexual references and then found it neccessary to go "steers and queers state."

Pot meet the kettle bitch.
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RadioFan wrote:'sup, Dio?


Btw, you fuckers are slipping. I thought this thread would have hit 10 pages about 48 hours after socal posted it.
Beats me. This thread is about spellcheck/grammar/kyoa smack, right?

Tedious. But for an inappropriate segue...


RadioFan wrote:
Mike the Lab Rat wrote:Religion IS open to change
Technically, sure. But by nature, it resists change, as an institution.
More proof Darwinism is a religion. Sure, they may accept minor modifications when the facts don't support their basic theory (S.J. Gould's punctuated equalibriam comes to mind) but the basic premis and it's theological component are sancrosanct. Hence the vituperation towards ID.

RadioFan wrote:While science on the other hand, no doubt will change. Hell, any number of major paradigms could change in the next 10-20 years.


How about questioning the basic paradigm that evelotion must have occured without any outside force directing it?

Blasphemy.

RadioFan wrote:
Mike the Lab Rat wrote:Religion and science are BOTH wholly man-made creations that try to make sense of the world. Each has its appropriate place.
Try telling that to the ID folks who keep pushing for this horseshit to be taught in science classes.

We don't disagree, MtLR. I didn't narrow my definitions very well earlier.
All ID is is scepticism about whether evolution could have occured on it's own, and examination of the evidence to support or oppose this dogma. Still no less scientific than the unprovable, unfalsifiable tenets of Darwinism.


Segue over.

Continue with the spellcheck smack...
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Diogenes wrote:Continue with the spellcheck smack...

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Diogenes wrote:
RadioFan wrote:
Mike the Lab Rat wrote:Religion IS open to change
Technically, sure. But by nature, it resists change, as an institution.
More proof Darwinism is a religion. Sure, they may accept minor modifications when the facts don't support their basic theory (S.J. Gould's punctuated equalibriam comes to mind) but the basic premis and it's theological component are sancrosanct. Hence the vituperation towards ID.

RadioFan wrote:While science on the other hand, no doubt will change. Hell, any number of major paradigms could change in the next 10-20 years.


How about questioning the basic paradigm that evelotion must have occured without any outside force directing it?

Blasphemy.

RadioFan wrote:
Mike the Lab Rat wrote:Religion and science are BOTH wholly man-made creations that try to make sense of the world. Each has its appropriate place.
Try telling that to the ID folks who keep pushing for this horseshit to be taught in science classes.

We don't disagree, MtLR. I didn't narrow my definitions very well earlier.
All ID is is scepticism about whether evolution could have occured on it's own, and examination of the evidence to support or oppose this dogma. Still no less scientific than the unprovable, unfalsifiable tenets of Darwinism.


Segue over.

Continue with the spellcheck smack...
Either you're trolling, or you fail to understand the very basic difference between science and religion. In a nutshell . . .

Science starts with no preconceived notions, observes all data, and arrives at a conclusion only after analyzing all data. Evolution is science.

ID/Creationism is the exact opposite. It starts out with its conclusion (the world was created in accordance with a literal reading of the first few chapters of Genesis), then sets out grasping at straws to find something -- anything -- that will support that assertion. That's definitely not science.

Oh, and to take this back to the original topic of the thread, I don't need Penn and Teller to tell me that ID/Creationism is bullshit. Unless they're auditioning to replace Marcus Allen, that is.
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Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
RadioFan wrote: Technically, sure. But by nature, it resists change, as an institution.
More proof Darwinism is a religion. Sure, they may accept minor modifications when the facts don't support their basic theory (S.J. Gould's punctuated equalibriam comes to mind) but the basic premis and it's theological component are sancrosanct. Hence the vituperation towards ID.

RadioFan wrote:While science on the other hand, no doubt will change. Hell, any number of major paradigms could change in the next 10-20 years.


How about questioning the basic paradigm that evelotion must have occured without any outside force directing it?

Blasphemy.

RadioFan wrote: Try telling that to the ID folks who keep pushing for this horseshit to be taught in science classes.

We don't disagree, MtLR. I didn't narrow my definitions very well earlier.
All ID is is scepticism about whether evolution could have occured on it's own, and examination of the evidence to support or oppose this dogma. Still no less scientific than the unprovable, unfalsifiable tenets of Darwinism.


Segue over.

Continue with the spellcheck smack...
Either you're trolling, or you fail to understand the very basic difference between science and religion. In a nutshell . . .

Science starts with no preconceived notions, observes all data, and arrives at a conclusion only after analyzing all data. Evolution is science.

ID/Creationism is the exact opposite. It starts out with its conclusion (the world was created in accordance with a literal reading of the first few chapters of Genesis), then sets out grasping at straws to find something -- anything -- that will support that assertion. That's definitely not science.

Oh, and to take this back to the original topic of the thread, I don't need Penn and Teller to tell me that ID/Creationism is bullshit. Unless they're auditioning to replace Marcus Allen, that is.
Your assertion that creationism begins with a conclusion is in and of itself false. These Men that wrote those Holy words were telling a story that would inspire people to believe that there is something above and beyond our control.

Your assertion that a modern, educated Christian believes in a "literal" interpretation of the book of Genesis is not accurate. This book is more than a millinieum (sp?fuckoff) old and the thoughts were spoken to people that you couldn't even begin to have a modern conversation with.

No sensible Christian that I know believes that the world was created in 6 days with a 7th day to rest. These are parables meant for the man of that time. In addition they've been translated from Aremic to Greek to Hebrew to Old English to Bad English.

The argument for intelligent design can be made in several ways, beginning with the incomprehensible odds that all of the factors that took place to create you and me and the monkeys and the mosquito's and even the dumbasses that make up the majority of this cesspool are beyond mind boggling.

I think the best way to end this cul-de-sac of an argument is for reasonable people to believe what they want to believe, yet in their own lives possibly look at the opposing beliefs of others, for nothing more than the sake of diversity of knowledge.

I strongly reccomend a book by the, believe it or not, travel writer, Bill Bryson titled "A Short History of Nearly Everything."

People,,, give sense a chance and for God's sake, quit bitching about my homo-references and then resorting to your "Christer stupidity" references.

I have reconciled both. as being a pathetic waste of grey matter yet I will continue to use them when I fell it neccessary.

God's single moment is 10 million of your lifetimes and He created something beautiful on this Earth that you tin hatters haven't been able to even get a sniff of, outside of Roswell and Area 51, being repeated.

Keep looking to the sky's for you "proof of life", but just stop looking to Us for your angst. I'm no Falwell, I don't really care if you love dude's or manequins or even your German Shephards arse hole, I just came here to blow off steam until the old lady get's home for the Holiday's and then I'll bid you fuckwad's another year off.

Merry CHRIST y' Mas!! Y buenos anos!

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Jay in Phoenix wrote: Dins is a smart and funny guy. I many not always agree with him, but he is entertaining. And that alone puts his worth as a human being light years ahead of your tight-assed, whiny rhetoric.
Umm, Jay?

I'd hardly rate one's worth as a human being by their entertainment value on a message board. Maybe it's just me, but warren seems a decent enough bloke, and his rantings here aren't all that bad of a read either.
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warren wrote:This book is more than a millinieum (sp?fuckoff) old and the thoughts were spoken to people that you couldn't even begin to have a modern conversation with.

No sensible Christian that I know believes that the world was created in 6 days with a 7th day to rest. These are parables meant for the man of that time. In addition they've been translated from Aremic to Greek to Hebrew to Old English to Bad English.
All good arguments for why the Bible should not be read literally. That having been said, do you honestly dispute that some people do read it literally? Or that a literal reading of the Bible is the reason so many Christian fundamentalists reject evolution?
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War Wagon wrote:
Jay in Phoenix wrote: Dins is a smart and funny guy. I many not always agree with him, but he is entertaining. And that alone puts his worth as a human being light years ahead of your tight-assed, whiny rhetoric.
Umm, Jay?

I'd hardly rate one's worth as a human being by their entertainment value on a message board. Maybe it's just me, but warren seems a decent enough bloke, and his rantings here aren't all that bad of a read either.
I am almost certain that Warren does not rape collies while posting. Other than that, I don't really know much about him as a human.
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Diogenes wrote: All ID is is scepticism about whether evolution could have occured on it's own, and examination of the evidence to support or oppose this dogma. Still no less scientific than the unprovable, unfalsifiable tenets of Darwinism.
so when are you going to start presenting your scientific data that supports your "Intelligent Design" theory....

this is the fourth time I've asked for this......
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Diogenes wrote: All ID is is scepticism about whether evolution could have occured on it's own, and examination of the evidence to support or oppose this dogma. Still no less scientific than the unprovable, unfalsifiable tenets of Darwinism.
so when are you going to start presenting your scientific data that supports your "Intelligent Design" theory....

this is the fourth time I've asked for this......
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Terry in Crapchester wrote:
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RadioFan wrote: Technically, sure. But by nature, it resists change, as an institution.
More proof Darwinism is a religion. Sure, they may accept minor modifications when the facts don't support their basic theory (S.J. Gould's punctuated equalibriam comes to mind) but the basic premis and it's theological component are sancrosanct. Hence the vituperation towards ID.

RadioFan wrote:While science on the other hand, no doubt will change. Hell, any number of major paradigms could change in the next 10-20 years.


How about questioning the basic paradigm that evelotion must have occured without any outside force directing it?

Blasphemy.

RadioFan wrote: Try telling that to the ID folks who keep pushing for this horseshit to be taught in science classes.

We don't disagree, MtLR. I didn't narrow my definitions very well earlier.
All ID is is scepticism about whether evolution could have occured on it's own, and examination of the evidence to support or oppose this dogma. Still no less scientific than the unprovable, unfalsifiable tenets of Darwinism.


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Science starts with no preconceived notions, observes all data, and arrives at a conclusion only after analyzing all data. Evolution is science.
No. It is unprovable and unfalsifiable, therefore not science. And the underlying materialist assumptions are nothing but anti-religious dogma. Of course your definition above describes ID perfectly.
Terry in Crapchester wrote:ID/Creationism is the exact opposite. It starts out with its conclusion (the world was created in accordance with a literal reading of the first few chapters of Genesis), then sets out grasping at straws to find something -- anything -- that will support that assertion. That's definitely not science.
That isn't ID either. Intelligent Design says that if evolution is valid as a mechanism for the existance of life on earth, it must have had some outside force deliberately directing it. If some of you want to deliberatly try to confuse it with Creationism (or can't understand the difference), that says nothing about ID and everyhing about you.
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Terry in Crapchester wrote:
warren wrote:This book is more than a millinieum (sp?fuckoff) old and the thoughts were spoken to people that you couldn't even begin to have a modern conversation with.

No sensible Christian that I know believes that the world was created in 6 days with a 7th day to rest. These are parables meant for the man of that time. In addition they've been translated from Aremic to Greek to Hebrew to Old English to Bad English.
All good arguments for why the Bible should not be read literally. That having been said, do you honestly dispute that some people do read it literally? Or that a literal reading of the Bible is the reason so many Christian fundamentalists reject evolution?
One does not have to be a fundamentalist Christian to reject evolution. Some may find that theory just as implausible and repulsive as others find The Book of Genesis.

To which I say, who gives a fuck? What you or I believe is responsible for creation is our own damn business and won't change anyone's circumstance regardless.
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Diogenes wrote:Of course your definition above describes ID perfectly.
I laughed. Hard.

If that's the case, why is it that every reputable scientist to evaluate Intelligent Design, and every court which has had occasion to pass on the question, has concluded that Intelligent Design is not science?

But even if I were to take your assertion at face value, do you see the problem between reconciling what you said above with this:
Diogenes wrote:Intelligent Design says that if evolution is valid as a mechanism for the existance of life on earth, it must have had some outside force deliberately directing it.
That isn't entirely true, of course. But leaving that point aside, if you don't see the inconsistency between the two, you don't have a very good grasp of what science is.
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Diogenes wrote:If some of you want to deliberatly try to confuse it with Creationism (or can't understand the difference), that says nothing about ID and everyhing about you.
You give me far too much credit. The ID folks already took care of that:
The term "intelligent design" came into use after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the 1987 case of Edwards v. Aguillard that to require the teaching of "creation science" alongside evolution was a violation of the Establishment Clause, which prohibits state aid to religion. In the Edwards case, the Supreme Court had also held that "teaching a variety of scientific theories about the origins of humankind to school children might be validly done with the clear secular intent of enhancing the effectiveness of science instruction."[21] In drafts of the creation science textbook Of Pandas and People, almost all derivatives of the word "creation", such as "creationism", were replaced with the words "intelligent design".[18] The book was published in 1989, followed by a "grass-roots" campaign promoting the use of the book to teach intelligent design in high-school biology classes.[22]
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Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Diogenes wrote:Of course your definition above describes ID perfectly.
I laughed. Hard.

If that's the case, why is it that every reputable scientist to evaluate Intelligent Design, and every court which has had occasion to pass on the question, has concluded that Intelligent Design is not science?
Wrong.
Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Diogenes wrote:Intelligent Design says that if evolution is valid as a mechanism for the existance of life on earth, it must have had some outside force deliberately directing it.
That isn't entirely true, of course. But leaving that point aside, if you don't see the inconsistency between the two, you don't have a very good grasp of what science is.
Wrong. You just either don't understand, or are lying about what ID actually is.

In case it's the former.
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Terry in Crapchester wrote:
warren wrote:This book is more than a millinieum (sp?fuckoff) old and the thoughts were spoken to people that you couldn't even begin to have a modern conversation with.

No sensible Christian that I know believes that the world was created in 6 days with a 7th day to rest. These are parables meant for the man of that time. In addition they've been translated from Aremic to Greek to Hebrew to Old English to Bad English.
All good arguments for why the Bible should not be read literally. That having been said, do you honestly dispute that some people do read it literally? Or that a literal reading of the Bible is the reason so many Christian fundamentalists reject evolution?
I agree with you in totality. I have said before that I was raised in a semi-religious household, but I for the most part was agnostic for the majority of my adult life.

I have come to believe in a power greater than we can comprehend , but, I, being an engineer by trade and being sceptical by nature looked for some other reason these people would write these things in a book of ages.

I believe they were all written in the context of persecution including the Gospel which Jesus, a human, wrote.

I believe these are ideals to live by and I believe those who believe in a flood with a bunch of animals in a canoe, or an Adam and an Eve, are missing the message and are morons.

These strories, not unlike Shakesphere would have written, were lessons tomed in a romantic way to aid people along in their day to day life.

If you are to believe the Book of Genesis, then how did Cain get a wife if he and Able were the only two children of Adam and Eve?

I can't get these simple fucks on this latrine of a logic bucket to understand that educated Christians or Jews or Muslims or what the fuck ever can reconcile evolution with God's Plan.

Much of the Bible was plain and simply a rallying cry for those who were being persecuted.

I doubt most of you X-Box, lonely one's can get this, unless they taught it in band class, that even though we were about to get our ass handed to us in Ann Arbor Michigan, our coach made us think we could go out there and make our family's proud, the other team respect us, and feel like we had a future even though we eventually lost 63-3.

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Diogenes wrote: Wrong.[/url]
wow, 600 scientists signed that.......

ever heard of "Project Steve".......
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warren wrote:I believe they were all written in the context of persecution including the Gospel which Jesus, a human, wrote.

educated Christians
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Felix wrote:
Diogenes wrote: Wrong.[/url]
wow, 600 scientists signed that.......

ever heard of "Project Steve".......
Why, have you heard of Galileo?

I guess because the majrity of scientists in his day didn't wish to offend the prevailing orthodoxy (and he ended up recanting , a la Karl Popper) he must have been full of shit.
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Diogenes wrote:
Felix wrote:
Diogenes wrote: Wrong.[/url]
wow, 600 scientists signed that.......

ever heard of "Project Steve".......
Why, have you heard of Galileo?

I guess because the majrity of scientists in his day didn't wish to offend the prevailing orthodoxy (and he ended up recanting , a la Karl Popper) he must have been full of shit.
Of course, Galileo reached his conclusions by the scientific method. ID/Creationists do not.

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Diogenes wrote:
I guess because the majrity of scientists in his day didn't wish to offend the prevailing orthodoxy (and he ended up recanting , a la Karl Popper) he must have been full of shit.
look bud, if you want to believe you were created by some mystical being I could really give a fat rats ass....

but throwing out these kinds of analogies makes you look stupid.....

still waiting on that Scientific argument for Intelligent Design......this is the fifth time I've asked....
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Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
Felix wrote: wow, 600 scientists signed that.......

ever heard of "Project Steve".......
Why, have you heard of Galileo?

I guess because the majority of scientists in his day didn't wish to offend the prevailing orthodoxy (and he ended up recanting , a la Karl Popper) he must have been full of shit.
Of course, Galileo reached his conclusions by the scientific method. ID/Creationists do not.
Wrong as usual. The fact that you and your ilk gratuitously and constantly conflate ID and creationism merely shows your bias and dishonesty. So-called 'scientists' either disavow ID (and try to stifle debate on the subject) or remain silent to avoid the kind of stigmatism you demonstrate. As usual, you are all ad hominem, no substance.
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