Rack this guy

[Terry in Crapchester]

thats retarded

if ND wants to play Mizzou in St.Louis, OU in KC , Wisconsin in GB, or shit that makes sense(geography wise), then so be it, but that game in texas is beyond retarded. ND fans should be a shame of that OOC game. Neither team has any ties to the area and it is solely a whoring out for Cash game. ASU?, what was a game vs Temple in Fresno not considered, oh wait, how about Nd vs BYU in Maine? ND vs Oregon in bismark?

While I'm in no way defending this game, I have to confess to being a little perplexed as to why there's been so much criticism on this board of this game, and nary a peep about the Washington State game in San Antonio. Imho, that game is at least a gazillion times worse than this one. ND at least had a substantial connection to the Cotton Bowl at one point, and you at least have a chance of seeing a handful of ASU fans at this one. By contrast, I don't think ND has ever played in San Antonio before, nor do I expect you'll see many "real" Washington State fans (as opposed to people rooting for ND to lose) in San Antonio.

Btw, another thing that makes you go "hmmmm": so far, of the "barnstorming" opponents scheduled, one (ASU) is White's former stomping grounds, and the other two (Washington State and Baylor) now have athletic departments headed up by erstwhile cohorts of the good Doctor.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Update (at least on the initial point of this thread) . . .

Rutgers is planning to scale back its stadium expansion plans, due to the fact that the cost of the stadium upgrade is more expensive than they anticipated. No plans yet to scale back the seating expansion, but "all options are on the table." http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/57271" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[PSUFAN]

Cost overruns...whodathunkit?

[SunCoastSooner]

why doesnt OSU play 4 of those teams the same year?

Yay for Ohio State, theyre playing at USC in 2008 but what about the 3 bullshit homegames vs Youngstown State, Ohio and Troy? Why not play USC, Tennessee, Cal and Va Tech the same season with 2 on the road and 2 at home?

I'd say that OSU should have added one-more decent opponent in '08 like a top nonBCS-team or an average BCS-one, somebody that could actually put-up a fight. But having you guys alone makes their noncon harder then a good amount of major teams.

Ya it would be ballsy to sched like you say but who actually does that? Even before the BCS sched were always padded with a couple cupcakes.

USC has Virginia, Ohio State and Notre Dame as their entire OOC schedule for 08
in 07 they had Idaho because they had a coach go there and they scheduled them to boost Idahos finances and help that coach, they also had Nebraska and Notre dame.
in 2006 they had Arkansas, Nebraska and Notre Dame

in 09 USC needed someone to come to LA since they already had Ohio State and Notre Dame on the road and they wound up with San Jose St
in 10 they host Virginia and Notre Dame, the road game is Hawaii


I dont buy any excuse about a team needing more home games than road games or needing warm ups before conference play, if the team is looked at as no more than a warm up the win vs them shouldnt count on the record

Nebraska, Notre Dame, and Arkansas are powerhouses!!!

Sin,
1979

[SunCoastSooner]

Idaho was a one year, one game situation that USC tried to get out of when Nick Holt left Idaho. Ohio State plays 2-4 Idahos in Cbus every year.

Stanford, Washington, Arizona, Washington State put up more of a fight than Nebraska, Illinois, Michigan, Oklahoma, Iowa, Colorado, Arkansas and Auburn

Yeah please tell me and the rest of the soonerfans how much "fight" Washington and Washington State put up.

[SunCoastSooner]

Air Force and Army are no longer regulars on our schedule. And Army hasn't been a regular on our schedule at any time in the recent past, at least by any reasonable definition of that phrase. And when we have played those teams, we've played them at home only about 50% of the time or so at home.

UnRack Nutter Lame. I've always appreciated that Notre Dame played the Service Academies and for many reasons. The biggest being that most of their alum who are serving this country in many facets get an opportunity to see their alma maters play in a game that isn't against another service academy.

I wish Oklahoma would consider playing the service academies other than Air Force in the future.

[SunCoastSooner]

another nd off-site game in texas vs. az state.

Notre Dame to play ASU at Cowboys stadium in 2013

Tribune Staff Report

Notre Dame will play Arizona State on Oct. 5, 2013 at the new Dallas Cowboys stadium in Arlington, Texas. It is one of the "off-site" games Notre Dame will begin playing in 2009. The first will be Oct. 31, 2009 against Washington State in San Antonio.

The off-site game is part of ND athletic director Kevin White’s 7-4-1 scheduling policy (seven home games, four road games, one off-site game). The off-site game is essentially a home game for the Irish in terms of TV and revenue.

NBC will have the television rights to the game. Notre Dame is expected to make tickets available to contributing alumni and fans through the alumni lottery. Arizona State will receive an allotment of tickets as the visiting team.

"We’re thrilled to have a chance to return to north Texas where Notre Dame football has had such a rich tradition, particularly through our appearances in the Cotton Bowl over the years," White said in a statement.

"We’re also excited that both our players and our fans will have a chance to experience a football game in what will be a state-of-the-art facility as designed by the Cowboys."

The stadium is under construction and is scheduled to open in 2009. Capacity will be 80,000.

16-18 years since the last cotton bowl appearance for nd, and of course, that equals a rich tradition.

If you're counting, ND's last Cotton Bowl appearance was 14 seasons ago. Coincidentally, that's right around the time the Cotton stopped being a major bowl. And fwiw, ND had seven Cotton Bowl appearances. http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/bo ... ?bowlid=75" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I believe that's first all-time among non-SWC schools. Not bad for a school that didn't even go to bowl games before 1970.

All of that being said, I'm in no way defending White's barnstorming policy. I've already expressed my opinion on that earlier in the thread.

Btw, doesn't your paper have a no link, no copy policy on the interwebs?

Are you trying to imply that it was Notre Dame that made the Cotton slip from being amajor bowl and not the facilities?

[SoCalTrjn]

Idaho was a one year, one game situation that USC tried to get out of when Nick Holt left Idaho. Ohio State plays 2-4 Idahos in Cbus every year.

Stanford, Washington, Arizona, Washington State put up more of a fight than Nebraska, Illinois, Michigan, Oklahoma, Iowa, Colorado, Arkansas and Auburn

Yeah please tell me and the rest of the soonerfans how much "fight" Washington and Washington State put up.

neither team lost 55-19 when everyone was picking them to win

[SunCoastSooner]

Idaho was a one year, one game situation that USC tried to get out of when Nick Holt left Idaho. Ohio State plays 2-4 Idahos in Cbus every year.

Stanford, Washington, Arizona, Washington State put up more of a fight than Nebraska, Illinois, Michigan, Oklahoma, Iowa, Colorado, Arkansas and Auburn

Yeah please tell me and the rest of the soonerfans how much "fight" Washington and Washington State put up.

neither team lost 55-19 when everyone was picking them to win

It's a damn shame that neither of them can come within single digits of Oklahoma when they have faced them heads up. Wasn't that the same Washington State that won the Pac 10 title that season? About that...

[SoCalTrjn]

but were they down 55-12 when the other team took their foot off the gas?

[SunCoastSooner]

but were they down 55-12 when the other team took their foot off the gas?

No Washington State was only down 27-0 when the third string defense allowed them in the end zone with about 6 minutes left in the game.

[SoCalTrjn]

it's still not 55-19 for the national title in a game they were picked to win by all the experts

[Loganfan]

give the Trojans a chance to get more home and homes with those Kentucky Fried Twatsicles from the SEC, if you can find another SEC team with the balls to play a home and home with the Trojans

Within almost every post he makes - certainly every thread he gets into, Schmick shows his anger towards the Superior Conference.

Wyrd....RACK the Major Indepenents!!!!!!!!!!!

[SunCoastSooner]

it's still not 55-19 for the national title in a game they were picked to win by all the experts

Washington State was picked by the experts you mental midget with no sense of reality. OU had been blown out by Oklahoma State not but a few weeks previous. Numerous QB changes during the season (rotating between Jason White and Nate Hybl until Jason went down). The Rose Bowl got stuck with Oklahoma (Conference Champs get an auto bid into the BCS Bowls if you haven't forgotten) and because Ohio State was playing for the title and the Rose Bowl had a choice between two teams that they wanted nothing to do with neither so they chose the school that traditionally travels better.The Rose Bowl press did nothing but give back handed compliments about tradition while expecting Washington State to clean our clocks as they had the rest of the Pac 10 that season (Washington State were the Pac 10 champs that season as I thought). There was only nine minutes left in the game when Washington State was even able to cross the 50 yard line for the first time... Hell Washington State was such a daunting opponent that a fucking walk on wide out waltzed into the end zone for the final score that day.

Oklahoma racked up just short of 400 total yards of offense, seven sacks on a team that had only given up nine the rest of the season against those vaunted Pac 10 defensive juggernauts, forced three turnovers, and had possession of the ball damn near 2/3 of the game because Washington State did damn near nothing but go three and out until mid way through the 4th quarter. That one game alone gave rise to the legend of Nate Hybl in Oklahoma lore. A QB that OU fans thought was absolutely dismal until he wiped the field up with the Pac 10 champs. That vaunted Wazzou defense made probably the most inferior QB in the last decade at OU look like Bart fucking Starr that afternoon in Pasadena.

[SoCalTrjn]

55-19

[SoCalTrjn]

55-19

[Terry in Crapchester]

If you're counting, ND's last Cotton Bowl appearance was 14 seasons ago. Coincidentally, that's right around the time the Cotton stopped being a major bowl. And fwiw, ND had seven Cotton Bowl appearances. http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/bo ... ?bowlid=75" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I believe that's first all-time among non-SWC schools. Not bad for a school that didn't even go to bowl games before 1970.

All of that being said, I'm in no way defending White's barnstorming policy. I've already expressed my opinion on that earlier in the thread.

Btw, doesn't your paper have a no link, no copy policy on the interwebs?

Are you trying to imply that it was Notre Dame that made the Cotton slip from being amajor bowl and not the facilities?

Actually, it was neither. You might want to brush up on your history.

The Cotton fell from major status with the demise of the Bowl Coalition. That happened for two reasons: (a) the impending demise of the SWC; and (b) to a minor extent, ND's 6-4-1 season in '94 had the rest of the Bowl Coalition wondering what would happen if ND were not bowl-eligible.

When the Bowl Alliance was formed, they picked the Fiesta over the Cotton. Facilities may have played something of a factor in that decision, but weather was an even bigger factor. Dallas could, and often did, get rather nasty weather in January. One of my fondest memories as a kid is the Joe Montana chicken soup Cotton Bowl game in '79. Arizona provided a nicer place to play, particularly in January.

ND played in the Cotton Bowl after the '92 and '93 seasons. The particularities of the Bowl Coalition, without a doubt, had something to do with that. I'd give the Cotton one year beyond that as a major bowl to coincide with the demise of the Bowl Coalition.

Having said all of that, imho the Cotton could/should return to major status if a Plus One format is ever instituted. If the BCS goes to Plus One, the BCS championship game should become the Plus One game. The BCS won't eliminate two bids, so it'll need an extra bowl. Imho, that should be the Cotton, based both on tradition and location (the Cotton Bowl would be a more logical tie-in for the Big XII champ than the Fiesta Bowl). The projected facilities upgrade should seal the deal.

[King Crimson]

no matter how many times ND played in the Cotton Bowl, it was almost never a top tier bowl. back in the day, if an independent team was really playing for the MNC, they filled the non-con slot in the Sugar, Orange, etc. the Rose Bowl is a continual joke*.

as i've posted many times to Austin Bill, there was a reason the Cotton Bowl was played mid-morning on New Year's Day. the SWC just wasn't that great.

elite teams have to play outside the state of Texas to be "elite".

*and before you start with it Big Ten and Pac fans, name the last time the pre BCS MNC was decided in the Rose Bowl....that isn't 1991 (?) and UW.

[Terry in Crapchester]

When I was a kid, the Cotton Bowl was one of three bowls played on New Year's Day. Hell, back then the Sugar Bowl was even played on New Year's Eve. ND won the national championship in '77 out of the Cotton Bowl, although they needed some help to get it. However, they played Texas, who was #1 going into the game and would have been the national champ had they beaten ND. I don't recall the Cotton Bowl ever being a mid-morning game. At least in the Eastern Time Zone, the Cotton was played in early afternoon, followed by the Rose Bowl around 5:00 p.m. and the Orange (and later the Sugar Bowl as well) in prime time on New Year's Day evening.

By that standard, the Cotton Bowl was definitely a major bowl.

I'll grant you that there was a slow decline in the Cotton's prestige in the 80's, which had more to do with the decline of the SWC than anything else. The Fiesta Bowl's ability to match up Penn State and Miami for the national championship in '86 also may have had a little to do with it.

[King Crimson]

in Oklahoma the Cotton Bowl started around 11 AM (actual hangover time in Dallas). in Denver, 10 AM. contrary to many, we ain't all on East Coast time.

after 1977, how many MNC's came out of the Cotton? or even before? UT won a couple in 69, 70. and they got assblasted by MIami in 84...other than that, the SWC ain't done much or played for it.