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Big McCain fan and lifelong GOP here and yet I'm supporting Obama

Neither one knows shit about the economy - and BO is the social Moderate - so he gets my vote
I'm sick of the religous right controlling the GOP - and McCain had to pander to them to get the nomination

With Obama - I'm liking a lot that he is awakening the younger generations to the demorcratic system.
I was born in Kennedy era - so can't say what it was like - but hilarious that many who backed a change then are so adamantly against it now

And yeah - I'm a WASH (white anglo saxon heathen) - and my fear of having a 1/2 black pres who talks like Bill cosby is just as scary as having the greatest golfer of our time not looking like me......

Whitey, Coods, MVS all playing the pickle card (and yet burying pickle in other threads) reaks of typical board Hypocrisy - I'll omit Tart from this beacuse he's a genuine (if genuienly misguided) good individual.

Just for all the board Klan - even Jesse Jaskass hates Obama -

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080 ... dzjvgcupaq

I know this won't sway your hate - but maybe it makes it burn a little less bright

B.O. is a social moderate??? lol

Change??? lol

Bigger federal government is the 'change' you want?


Stay down, crack pipe.

poptart wrote:B.O. is a social moderate??? lol

Change??? lol

Bigger federal government is the 'change' you want?


Stay down, crack pipe.

Tart - Bushy has tripled the fucking size of Gov since taking over - tell me you knew

Fuggin Clinton had the last balanced budget - tell me you knew

Dude - don't let the Godsmackers blind you - our GOP is fucked beyond repair right now

KC Scott wrote: Whitey... playing the pickle card (and yet burying pickle in other threads) reaks of typical board Hypocrisy

Whitey?

You obviously haven't been paying attention.

I've never said shit about pickle, and being hypocritical is the least of my faults. You must've pulled that blurb from the same place you aquire stock market knowledge.

War Wagon wrote:

KC Scott wrote: Whitey... playing the pickle card (and yet burying pickle in other threads) reaks of typical board Hypocrisy

Whitey?

You obviously haven't been paying attention.

I've never said shit about pickle, and being hypocritical is the least of my faults.

So you're admitting you're a full on racist and support herr Pickles rantings?

BTW - How's the 201K doing these days?

KC Scott wrote: So you're admitting you're a full on racist and support herr Pickles rantings?

uh, No.

BTW - How's the 201K doing these days?

Could be worse, I suppose. I put half into bonds and mutual funds a few months back.

Scared money.

Scott, Clinton isn't running, and if you think B.O. will have anything close to a balanced budget or if you think he will do anything to shrink the grotesque size of the fed gov, you're simply high.

Scott wrote:Dude - don't let the Godsmackers blind you - our GOP is fucked beyond repair right now

It's not my GOP, and yep, it's totally fucked.

Neither one knows shit about the economy

This is interesting to me. I think that Obama knows a little something about the economy...but when it comes down to it, what McCain or BO themselves know about it means very little to me. The question is rather...who is more likely to bring in a team of folks to work on economic policy who a) know plenty about the topic, and b) are not fixed on looting whatever and wherever possible.

At this point, I really don't know the answer to that question.

PSUFAN wrote: I think that Obama knows a little something about the economy...

what the fuck makes you think so?

War Wagon wrote:Chump, you're the one who put quotation marks around "steller", as if I had misspelled it. Just like when I asked you to point out all the awesome threads you've posted, you then immediately go to "show me yours", instead.

WTF, are you from KC? If I wrote something that incriminating, the IKYABWAI retorts would fairly burst the bandwidth limitations of this Board.

Yep Whitey, they probably would. And what part of typo don't you understand? There isn't a poster on this board who hasn't made a spelling error or two. So lighten up Francis. Sheesh.

"Bottom line mv, you and everyone else here are more than entitled to your opinions. Hell, opinions are even encouraged."

No way... ya' think?

Thanks for that enlightening bit of info. With such keen insight, it's no wonder that after 25 years in the biz, you're able to discern newsworthy stories.

Why thank you Wags. Right on the money. That is the very first time you have shown insight and understanding. Keep this up and you are sure to avoid that horror of board banning in the Suckoff. I guess I'll have to alter the bet I had on you going for the brass ring.

Please forgive me for being "racially insensitive" on a message board. The horrah'.

Not a chance, you tool. You play the bigot card, it gets shoved up your ass, right along with your Klan membership, so live with it Pasty.

Jay, you really are a pathetic, sniveling bitch. The funniest thing about it is that at some point in your illustrious posting career, you became convinced that your opinion really mattered to anyone.

I love that part Wags. Cheers. Newsflash dummy, I don't care one way or the other about what our fellow posters think about my style or contributions. You like 'em, you hate 'em, you don't care either way, it's all the same to me. I'm here for the entertainment, nothing more. It's a well known fact that you are the one who takes this crap way, way, waaaaay too fucking seriously. Untwist you knickers little boy and chill out for a few minutes.

It's a smack board, remember?

Brace yourself for this shocking revelation: You Suck. Badly. You want proof? The simple fact that my usual fanclub isn't in here taking potshots is all the evidence needed.

Sorry to be the one to have tell you.

A: You have no fan club Wiggles.
B: If you think I suck, that's cool. It just refects on your own myopic stupidity. My name ain't in the Suckoff bud. Yours is. Case closed.
C: Brace yourself for this factoid...nobody cares about what you have to say. Every time you mash the submit icon with your knuckles, you become instant fodder for the masses. A punching bag you are, a punching bag you will always be.

God speed and good luck in your Sucktacular, Suckalicious and Suckerrific future.

Your pal,

Jay

mvscal wrote:

PSUFAN wrote:I think that Obama knows a little something about the economy.

Based on what? Seriously. Break it down. Dazzle us with Onogga's economic brillliance.

I certainly make no claim of his brilliance. As you must assuredly know, his first job out of college was as a financial researcher and writer for Business International Corporation - a position with which one would necessarily become rapidly familiar with market economics.

Like I put it above, he knows a "little something" about economics...probably more than McCain, if such a comparison would really prove useful.

PSUFAN wrote:I certainly make no claim of his brilliance. As you must assuredly know, his first job out of college was as a financial researcher and writer for Business International Corporation - a position with which one would necessarily become rapidly familiar with market economics.

Like I put it above, he knows a "little something" about economics...probably more than McCain, if such a comparison would really prove useful.

It's possible he doesn't. I didn't and had to google this article to verify what you were saying. Interesting stuff.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=92337754" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mvscal wrote: No bailouts. No subsidies.

Never happen in the world of 1st Amendment protected campaign donations.

mvscal wrote:

KC Scott wrote:I'm sick of the religous right controlling the GOP

They don't, you fucking moron. If they did, Huckabee would have been the nominee.

Feel free to pull your head out of your ass someday, dipshit.

Yea, the GOP is pro-choice - Gee..... how did I miss that.
And I'm sure religion plays no part in that policy or chimpy's hatered of stem cell research.

As for Huckleberry - well he was totally unelectable - so even Rove knew that.

What's funny is you're a self proclaimed Athiest as well - yet you defend the stupity.
Guess your hatred of Dems / Non-Whites trumps common sense.

And you'll remember I'm the one that told you two years ago McCain would be the nominee.
I believe you were sucking the Romney pipe at the time.

Feel free to go load the gun Lee Harvey

poptart wrote:Scott, Clinton isn't running, and if you think B.O. will have anything close to a balanced budget or if you think he will do anything to shrink the grotesque size of the fed gov, you're simply high.

Lesser of two - and in this case I think BO has a better chance of getting things done with congress than McCain does.

I'll go left this time beacuse the right blew way too much of my money in the last 8 years

Why cast a vote for either?

PSUFAN wrote:I think that Obama knows a little something about the economy...but when it comes down to it, what McCain or BO themselves know about it means very little to me. The question is rather...who is more likely to bring in a team of folks to work on economic policy who a) know plenty about the topic, and b) are not fixed on looting whatever and wherever possible.

At this point, I really don't know the answer to that question.

McCain's top economic advisor is Phil Gramm. On point (b) above, that should seal the deal for you.

Look up "unctuous" in the dictionary, and you'll see Phil Gramm's picture.

Personally, I hope Obambbo wins the white....uhm, racially ambiguous house. Perhaps the pandemonium the he and his band of thieves create will be enough to wake up folks enough to take back their government. If not, we're doomed.

Perhaps the pandemonium the he and his band of thieves create will be enough to wake up folks enough to take back their government.

Hold on a sec...what administration are we talking about here? If the thieves of the Reagan administration didn't bring them out of the hills with guns, then it surely will never happen for an Obama administration.

mvscal wrote:

KC Scott wrote:
You are a fucking moron. A mindless, brainless, takeless lump of dickheaded shit. There is no possible argument or disagreement.

If the religious right controlled the GOP, John McCain would have been the last candidate selected. End of story.

Hurts when I hit a nerve doesn't it

KC Scott wrote:

mvscal wrote:You are a fucking moron. A mindless, brainless, takeless lump of dickheaded shit. There is no possible argument or disagreement.

If the religious right controlled the GOP, John McCain would have been the last candidate selected. End of story.

Hurts when I hit a nerve

How far is that plunger up your ass so far?

BTW, if you can get me to agree with mvscum, you are a major idiot.

Not like that's new...

Terry in Crapchester wrote:McCain's top economic advisor is Phil Gramm.

Quit whining, Biotches...

Straight talk about a nation of whiners

Ruben Navarrette Jr., San Diego Union-Tribune

Say what you want about the messenger, Americans had better heed the message.

Maybe former Sen. Phil Gramm isn't the best person to make the case that much of America's economic gloom is self-inflicted. He's a Republican and, as far as many people are concerned, the GOP cares only about the rich. Since leaving the Senate, Gramm has served as vice chairman of the Swiss investment bank UBS. Also, Gramm doesn't exactly exude sympathy for the have-nots, coming across as the antithesis of the "compassionate conservative."

Yet the former economics professor shared with Americans an important lesson. He was right that, despite what it feels like, the economy is not in a recession because there haven't been two consecutive quarters of negative growth. He was right that the problem could be our response to adversity and our collective state of mind - what Gramm called a "mental recession." Most of all, he was right that we've become "a nation of whiners" who find it easier to complain about our problems than to turn off the television, get off the couch and do something about them.

"You just hear this constant whining," Gramm told the Washington Times, "complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline."

It's true. Americans do complain a lot, and many of them have lost the appetite for competition - with immigrants, foreign countries, each other. Even in tough times, when you would think that Americans would be willing to work harder and compete for what they want, the entitlement mentality is alive and well.

While the presidential candidates are telling voters what they want to hear, Gramm told them what they needed to hear.

This created a nuisance for his friend John McCain, whose presidential campaign Gramm had been advising until the "whiner" flap. It's worth noting that McCain seems to have more appreciation for straight talk when he is the one dishing it out. The presumptive GOP nominee can't afford for voters fretting over sinking mortgages and rising gas prices and lost jobs to think his campaign surrogates are insensitive to their concerns.

In his own Rev. Jeremiah Wright moment, McCain quickly cut his old friend loose and insisted that Gramm doesn't speak for him.

Yet, when the subject is American competitiveness, I suspect McCain agrees with Gramm more than he feels comfortable admitting at the moment. During his speech Monday to the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza, McCain talked about how we can't hide from the international market.

"To get our economy on track again," he said, "and create new and better jobs, we need to compete more, not less, in the global economy. We can't build walls to foreign competition, and we shouldn't want to."

That is refreshing, especially after a Democratic primary in which both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton turned themselves inside out pandering to blue-collar voters with populist appeals that sounded like what McCain has termed "economic isolationism." This included threats to pull out of the North American Free Trade Agreement, and a reluctance to enter into future trade deals without environmental and worker protections.

The way McCain sees it, "any confident, competent country and its government should embrace competition ... not hide from our competitors and cheat our consumers and workers."

And even though Obama quickly criticized Gramm's remarks as evidence that McCain - and anyone associated with him - was out of touch with the economic reality faced by average Americans, the Illinois senator seems in touch with what McCain is saying. At least, he has since he locked up the Democratic nomination.

In June, during a speech in Flint, Mich., Obama noted that "Michigan's children will grow up facing competition not just from California or South Carolina, but also from Beijing and Bangalore."

The presumptive Democratic nominee even took a shot at the same protectionists he had spent months courting, saying,

"There are some who believe that we must try to turn back the clock on this new world, that the only chance to maintain our living standards is to build a fortress around America, to stop trading with other countries, to shut down immigration, rely on old industries. I disagree. Not only is it impossible to turn back the tide of globalization, but efforts to do so can actually make us worse off."

Don't be fooled by the silliness of the presidential campaign. Not only was what Phil Gramm said about how many Americans resist competition not controversial. It wasn't even original.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 11PG3B.DTL" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Gramm's idiocy is one of the major reasons we're in the mess we're in now.

Obviously Gramm should have cleared that statement with MgoBluLightSpecial

Sudden Sam wrote:After the devastation wreaked by the present administration

spoken like a true whiney-ass liberal.

Sudden Sam wrote:

Sirfindafold wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote:After the devastation wreaked by the present administration

spoken like a true whiney-ass liberal.

No, actually it's spoken by someone whose head isn't jammed up his own ass.

Evidently you're real proud of the "accomplishments" of W's administration. Perhaps you could regale us with some of Bush's great moments.

Mikey wrote:Gramm's idiocy is one of the major reasons we're in the mess we're in now.

You're correct. I totally forgot about all the time he spent as TresSec and Fed chairman.

Fuck You, Phil.

Diogenes wrote:Gramm told the Washington Times,

Told me all I needed to know.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

Told me all I needed to know.


BTW, how do you spell ad hominem?

Dims?

Audience?

mvscal wrote:

Diogenes wrote:

Mikey wrote:Gramm's idiocy is one of the major reasons we're in the mess we're in now.

You're correct. I totally forgot about all the time he spent as TresSec and Fed chairman.

Fuck You, Phil.

What you forgot was his role in sponsoring the CFMA

Yeah, blame it all on the cajuns...

http://www.cajunfrenchmusic.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So what have we learned in this Thread?

1. MVS debates the republican party is the party of the Religous right
2. Many here don't like Obama beacuse he's black - even though he's whiter that LTS
3. Many of those same decry Stanley Pickle
4. The republicans have cluster fucked the last 8 years
5. Neither McCain or Obama can fix the economic cluster fuck - so we may as well all stay home

Great that we're all in agreement then - thanks for playing

Diogenes wrote:

mvscal wrote:

Diogenes wrote: You're correct. I totally forgot about all the time he spent as TresSec and Fed chairman.

Fuck You, Phil.

What you forgot was his role in sponsoring the CFMA

Yeah, blame it all on the cajuns...

http://www.cajunfrenchmusic.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brilliant deflection, Diaphanous.

mvscal wrote:

KC Scott wrote:So what have we learned in this Thread?

We learned...well, actually it was merely reinforced that you are a completely clueless dumbfuck.

You're still hilarious MVS.

Tell us again, how the GOP isn't the party of the Religous Right, or that they are party of fiscal responsability.

Is it hard to keep a straight face when your writing tripe like that?

KC Scott wrote: Tell us again, how the GOP isn't the party of the Religous Right?

Why do need to hear read it again, Scott? This wasn't clear enough?

They don't, you fucking moron. If they did, Huckabee would have been the nominee.

What's your problem with christian evangelicals, btw? Are you like wanting to hold a Blue Springs style gay marriage or something?

Huckabee wasn't a viable candidate.
Only the most hard core Christian Evangelicans failed to recognize that.

C.E.'s are still a major force within the GOP, they just didn't have anyone that they could throw their support behind this time around.

That probably had more to do with Huckabee being from Arkansas and GOP primary voters having too fresh a memory of Bubba.

The Huckster was every bit a "viable" candidate.

mvscal wrote:Fiscal responsibility has become laughably passe in both parties.

You rang?

The votes from the Amen Corner are taken for granted. They aren't in charge of shit.

The Religious Right has big checkbooks, and precious little intelligence. They'll always be a big part of the GOP, but not the leading part. They are a moon-eyed meal ticket for Rove and others like him who play them to their tunes like country fiddles.

Until someone intends and succeeds otherwise, a vast segment of our political energy will be expended in manipulating ignoramuses.