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LTS TRN 2 wrote: I will refrain from saying, implying, or otherwise indicating that I fucking told you so!! Now, out of respect for my uncanny ability to see through the bullshit, to cut through the lies, you snarky carping ankle biters--you know who you are--are hereby my bitch in whatever figurative fashion I deem appropriate, and will perform such acts of contrition as I see fit. Carry on.

That's no doubt the best paragraph you've ever authored. More of that and less of your customary unreadable palaver will do wonders for my scroll wheel.

Rack the broke clock.

L-seater, P-willie, S-holic, DROP for a figurative twenty! Forget for a moment that of course it was an obvious fuck-up by the pilot and whoever might have encouraged him. The real point here is your lock-step support of the U.S. military. This is the true cancer of our nation, the metastasizing of the American mind. You're it. Now the only cure for you is to wake the fuck up!

LTS TRN 2 wrote: The real point here is your lock-step support of the U.S. military.

If you don't support our military, what do you support?

A non-military society using the vast wealth saved by NOT promoting and maintaining wars, etc,, to promote instead a viable future for the planet, for starters. The current military paradigm of geo-political relationships and policies is a disgrace--the worst nightmare of which Ike so earnestly warned us as he left office.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:A non-military society using the vast wealth saved by NOT promoting and maintaining wars, etc,, to promote instead a viable future for the planet, for starters. The current military paradigm of geo-political relationships and policies is a disgrace--the worst nightmare of which Ike so earnestly warned us as he left office.

Ike didn't call for a non-military society, dumbfukk. He did warn about congressional whores exploiting the situation though.

He had recently had a bit role in a little skirmish that might have went differently without us having a military.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:A non-military society using the vast wealth saved by NOT promoting and maintaining wars, etc,, to promote instead a viable future for the planet, for starters. The current military paradigm of geo-political relationships and policies is a disgrace--the worst nightmare of which Ike so earnestly warned us as he left office.

This viable future for the planet is what exactly? Our cars suddenly run on water?


I will support a non-military society as soon as it is proven that every last human alive has no desire to hurt or wish ill on others. Get back to us when you can prove that and your 9/11 theory.

mvscal wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:the worst nightmare of which Ike so earnestly warned us as he left office.

The military-industrial complex which Ike warned against no longer exists and hasn't existed for decades.

Don't know if I'd go so far as to say that.

The congressional whores that have been slurping at the military contract teat are alive and well. Our peace loving dems up this way are all about military cuts....unless it means fewer subs coming out of EB or jet engines from P&W.

I'm sure it's no different with your pols in socal.

The U.S. currently maintains over 850 military bases around the world--a grotesque holdover from an imperialist wet dream whose sheet-splattering cum shot was visited upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki, etc. The Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex (to use Ike's original designation) has grown so bloated and sprawling that our military budget is bigger than those of all the other nations of the world combined.

This is what must be reversed. This is what's undermined our nation's wealth, health, and international reputation. And it's not just us, of course. When French and British nuclear-armed submarines are running into each other--while North African immigrants rampage in Paris and giant mosques are constructed in England--it should be obvious to everyone (except the sub manufacturers and their contractors) that the entire premise of massive Cold War arms racing as a modern policy is absolutely absurd and untenable.

As for the childish notion that we need a giant military to insure a steady oil supply, this is pathetic. Iraq, for example, had no problems whatever in supplying us all the oil we wanted at a good price. And they were supposed to be the worst of the "bad guys."

Start gaining some clarity by considering how much we could repair just about all of our current national crises by scaling our military industry waaaay back. Health care, education, infrastructure and all manner of huge stimulus projects. And that's just for starters.

Instead, we're heading for Afghanistan?

As of March 31, 2008, U.S. Forces were stationed at more than 820 installations in at least 39 countries.

Correction noted. The point remains.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:The U.S. currently maintains over 850 military bases around the world--a grotesque holdover from an imperialist wet dream whose sheet-splattering cum shot was visited upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki, etc.

Amazing. We help return European countries to their own control and save the Pacific from the world wanting Japs, but we have the imperialistic wet dream?

Right or wrong dropping the bombs on Japan saved a ton of US lives that would have been lost in the fighting on the home land. Japan wasn't going to stop until we forced them too. The bombs accomplished in 5 days what likely would have taken another year.

What drugs do you consume to live in this fantasy world?

Curtis LeMay (later immortalized on screen by Sterling Hayden in Dr. Strangelove) insisted that the nuke strikes were not particularly significant compared to the daily "normal" firebombings of civilian populations, etc.

Here's LeMay as head of Joint Chiefs of Staff, mulling over the need to assassinate the handsome new president


The COST of the 820+ military installations is the issue here, and it's the principal factor in both our present catastrophic situation, as well as our possible reformation and repair.

As for the tragic loss of Korean-Americans in San Diego...hello!...it was apparently the pilot's personal responsibility all along, just as I'd suggested. I'd allowed that perhaps he was just following orders and that the wrong orders were given. But no, he could have made it to the other base flying over water, etc., and chose to attempt what should have been obvious as a dangerous and unnecessary plan. So, heads rolled, checks were scratched, and hopefully some lesson was learned. But the real problem remains.

Too bad they did not fire bomb your parents house while that nogger was impregnating your mother with the black seed that became you.

You take tardness to a new level. Eat a bullet..bitch

Derron wrote: You take tardness to a new level.

And you take Racism to a new level.

Carry on with your coke-induced rantings.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Curtis LeMay (later immortalized on screen by Sterling Hayden in Dr. Strangelove) insisted that the nuke strikes were not particularly significant compared to the daily "normal" firebombings of civilian populations, etc.

Of course LeMay was going to say that. He wanted as much credit for himself as he could. While he had "control" on paper of the entire Pacific, Tibets and the 509th Composite Group didn't answer to LeMay at all. LeMay did wonderful things but was completely out of the loop on the Atomic Bomb.

LeMay was also correct on the overall distruction caused by a night of "normal" firebombing and a single atomic bomb. The thing he didn't point out was a "normal" fireboming mission ranged from 400 to over 1000 bombers per attack. The same destruction was accomplished with one bomber and 4 support planes.


But lets get back to your plan for eliminating all the world's militaries?

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Curtis LeMay (later immortalized on screen by Sterling Hayden in Dr. Strangelove) insisted that the nuke strikes were not particularly significant compared to the daily "normal" firebombings of civilian populations, etc.

Here's LeMay as head of Joint Chiefs of Staff, mulling over the need to assassinate the handsome new president


The COST of the 820+ military installations is the issue here, and it's the principal factor in both our present catastrophic situation, as well as our possible reformation and repair.

As for the tragic loss of Korean-Americans in San Diego...hello!...it was apparently the pilot's personal responsibility all along, just as I'd suggested. I'd allowed that perhaps he was just following orders and that the wrong orders were given. But no, he could have made it to the other base flying over water, etc., and chose to attempt what should have been obvious as a dangerous and unnecessary plan. So, heads rolled, checks were scratched, and hopefully some lesson was learned. But the real problem remains.

Your manlove for jfk is noted.

So what lesson was learned? What problem remains?

I'll take a stab at answering it.

Lesson learned - 18s glide for shit, gravity is a motherfukker.

"Real" remaing problems. - Climbing into machines that can fly better than the speed of sound and blow shit up is inherently dangerous and will remain that way. Having a military is neccessary if you'd like to retain your sovreignty.

Left Seater wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Curtis LeMay (later immortalized on screen by Sterling Hayden in Dr. Strangelove) insisted that the nuke strikes were not particularly significant compared to the daily "normal" firebombings of civilian populations, etc.

Of course LeMay was going to say that. He wanted as much credit for himself as he could. While he had "control" on paper of the entire Pacific, Tibets and the 509th Composite Group didn't answer to LeMay at all. LeMay did wonderful things but was completely out of the loop on the Atomic Bomb.

LeMay was also correct on the overall distruction caused by a night of "normal" firebombing and a single atomic bomb. The thing he didn't point out was a "normal" fireboming mission ranged from 400 to over 1000 bombers per attack. The same destruction was accomplished with one bomber and 4 support planes.


But lets get back to your plan for eliminating all the world's militaries?

No one's suggesting eliminating all of the military here or in other countries. Rather, we simply must rein in the obscene spending on the military--which is directly a result of our post-imperialist profile which we're insisting on maintaining despite the obvious fact of its being extremely obsolete. If you honestly believe that the U.S. is in any way whatsoever threatened with some sort of invasion, you really need to broaden your perspective--i.e., get a fucking clue!

LeMay was surely one of the most demented and utterly insane military leaders in any nation, any century. For example, upon assuming command of the Strategic Air Command in 1949, LeMay's first war plan proposed delivering "the entire stockpile of atomic bombs in a single massive attack" -- dropping 133 atomic bombs on 70 Soviet Union cities within 30 days. By the end of his term, the SAC was on constant alert and ready to execute an all-out atomic attack at a moments notice. LeMay remained SAC commander until June 1957.

As a member of the Joint Chiefs during the Cuban Missile Crisis, LeMay recommended that President John F. Kennedy send the navy and SAC to surround Cuba and if need be, "fry it." When the crisis ended peacefully, LeMay called it "the greatest defeat in our history."

And here's from JFK himself following the Bay of Pigs fiasco: "Looking back on that whole Cuban mess, one of the things that appalled me most was the lack of broad judgment by some of the heads of the military services. When you think of the long competitive selection process that they have to weather to end up the number one man of their particular service, it is certainly not unreasonable to expect that they would also be bright, with good broad judgment. For years I've been looking at those rows of ribbons and those four stars, and conceding a certain higher qualification not obtained in civilian life. Well, if LeMay and Powers (another loon Cold Warrior general) are the best the services can produce, a lot more attention is going to be given their advice in the future before any action is taken as a result of it."

And make no mistake, LeMay was in on the assassination, etc., all the way.

And make no mistake, the current leader of the GOP, a certain fat blaring slob, Rusp Limpdick, does indeed have a picture of LeMay on the wall of his mind, as it were.

You bring up the Atomic Bombs as a means to show the US was looking to take over Japan.

it is then pointed out you are off base.

So you bring up LeMay to claim the Atomic Bombs did nothing more to end the way than convential bombs.

It is then pointed out you are wrong again.

So you paint LeMay as a crazy person, totally contradicting your earlier post.


Damn man slow down. Stay with something you present for longer than your next google search.


Please also show us your link to these 820+ bases. I have repeatedly seen the number of 700, but those also include small radio communication posts and space monitoring facilities. Postings with often less than 30 people.

I didn't raise the issue of WWII at all. I'm dealing with the present--which in the case of our obscenely bloated military presence in the world, is a direct result of lunatics like LeMay. If you believe he was not a lunatic, present your argument. I'm sure it's cute.


As for the number of U.S. military installations, read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un ... tary_bases

Until you get a handle on what's really going on, and how we got here, you aren't ready to discuss how we move forward.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:I didn't raise the issue of WWII at all. I'm dealing with the present

LTS TRN 2 wrote:--a grotesque holdover from an imperialist wet dream whose sheet-splattering cum shot was visited upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki, etc.

Really?

You claimed we dropped the bombs on Japan for imperialistic desires. Again, you were wrong.


And Wiki is you source for bases? Nice.

Around 200 of those facilities are in the US. Further linked articles claim it includes single building instalations like hospitals and relay stations. Providing medical care sure seems like a great plan for taking over the world.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:I'm dealing with the present--which in the case of our obscenely bloated military presence in the world, is a direct result of lunatics like LeMay. If you believe he was not a lunatic, present your argument.

I've seen you badmouth and slander the patron saint of the Startegic Air Command before, but just considered the source and let it pass. But in being a former member of that elite organization, you need to be set straight.

LeMay was one of the most effective and influential Generals ever, you blathering fool. Every decision he made, every mission he undertook, every policy he authored, was with the explicit intent of limiting American casualties, and they were successful.

His record speaks for itself.

War Wagon wrote: But in being a former member of that elite organization, you need to be set straight.

In what capacity? Sitting ready reserve in a -52?

He was with the 8044th light fork lift group.

Left Seater wrote: The same destruction was accomplished with one bomber and 4 support planes.

I learned it was six. Necessary Evil, Jabit III (actually flew to Kokura), The Great Artiste, Full House, Straight Flush, Top Secret (which did not complete the mission.)
I can see how you might want to call that 4, but it really wasn't eh?

Left Seater wrote: In what capacity?

2nd shift flightline monkey. Launch and recovery of the EC-135 Looking Glass.

Basically, a glorified gas station attendant. Check the oil, fill the fuel tanks, recharge the liquid oxygen, check tire pressure, the usual mundane stuff.

mvscal wrote:LikesToSuck TRaNnies2

C'mon.....are you kidding? The core of reactionary paranoid right-wing xenophobe lock-step crypto-Nazi Rove Monkey ditto-heads on this palsied forum are going down strapped to the mast with Curtis fuckin' LeMay, (aka general Jack D. Ripper) and his insane wannabe groupie Rusp Limpdick...? ....why...am I not surprised?

LTS TRN 2 wrote:reactionary paranoid right-wing xenophobe lock-step crypto-Nazi Rove Monkey ditto-heads

Even by your customary standard of overwrought diatribes, you have outdone yourself.

Who are you calling "paranoid", btw?

Nick wrote:The core of reactionary paranoid right-wing xenophobe lock-step crypto-Nazi Rove Monkey ditto-heads on this palsied forum

I rather enjoyed that one, Nick. The "crypto-Nazi" and "palsied forum" inclusions were...