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Van wrote:

WW wrote:Van, they played that poker hand perfectly. There's nothing wrong with a bit of patience.

Remind me to never hire you to safeguard my loved ones. Or my valuables. Or my country.

You're a fucking imbecile, if you think this all played out perfectly.

They engaged and tied up our Navy, and the world media, for five straight days. For five straight days they could've killed that captain. They also could've killed the other captives, before they were rerleased.

That isn't "perfect," you moron. If you think it is, let's let them have a go at your daughter, whom they've taken hostage on a cruise ship. Let's see if you think it's "perfect" when we attempt to rescue her, and she's the one who dies, while others live, as was the case in the recent French action.

You know what's "perfect," WW?

"Perfect" is your daughter's ship never gets hi-jacked in the first place.

"Perfect" is the hi-jackers receive no media coverage.

"Perfect" is our Navy doesn't have to attend to such nonsense.

"Perfect" is when the fuckers are so terrified of the consequences that the thought of hi-jacking her boat doesn't even cross their minds, once they see her name and citizenship on the passenger manifest.

"Perfect" is when we're not talking about this, because it didn't happen.

You know how we arrive at "perfect"? We don't play poker with 'em, you simple dunce. We don't invite them to the table. This isn't a game, and they are to be given no reason to think they can win.

No, we let them know that if they show their faces, their lose their asses. We put the fear of god into them. When the thought process within their own circles is such that they know beyond any shadow of a doubt that they're never to kidnap-for-ransom U.S. citizens, that's when we've achieved perfection.

This shit that we just went through? Hopefully it sent a message. It sure wasn't a strong enough message, however, and the message very obviously needed to be sent a long time ago.

Atomic Punk wrote:Bobby 52, I'm not forgetting this is a smack board as socal just made a really funny panty reference. I'm still laughing and you should be also.

Anyway, the SEAL team should have been on it as it happened. It seems command decision makers are obligated to micromanagement from the CIC through the Pentagon. I knew this would happen.

I'm also waiting for the token CIC to publicly apologize to the world that a SEAL squad capped those black-skinned pirates. After all, he is from Afrika. He should be homies wif dem.

Van wrote:GOSD, try to keep up. These aren't terrorists. They aren't idealogues. They aren't political, at all.

They're kidnappers. This is their business. This is how they make their living. They aren't trying to martyr themselves, you fucking stooge. They just want to get paid.

Once they learn there is no payday at the end of this decision, they'll choose some other way to try to make a paycheck. Robbers don't rob, not when there is no chance of receiving a payday. If they know that all they'll get for their efforts is a bullet to the brain they will choose to do something else.

Jesus, you're slow.

Van wrote:They're broke ass Somalian pirates. Who the fuck cares what they say, or why they say it?

Yeah, "revenge," you get right on that, Mohammed. You can barely afford the gas in your dinghy, and you're going to exact revenge on...who?

The U.S. Navy?

"Revenge," for what? For getting caught kidnapping, and getting executed for it?

Sounds like an attempt at face saving braggadocio, ie, pandering to the locals, and nothing more.

PSUFAN wrote:The word that some other pirates promised revenge sort of surprised me. Pure mercenaries or opportunists would scarcely do something like that.

Van wrote:These people don't want to die, you stupid fuck.

GOSD wrote:

Van wrote:These people don't want to die, you stupid fuck.

To which is why they will kill the hostage and run. They will also still keep on trying to hijack ships.

In retrospect, it has come to the attention of the great people of Somalia that further attacks on cargo ships will lead to hurtful insults and statements on a message board in America. We deeply apologize to the great people of the US and fear the verbal slander from mvscal and Van and will cease our criminal activities immediately.

Van wrote:

GOSD wrote:

Van wrote:These people don't want to die, you stupid fuck.

To which is why they will kill the hostage and run. They will also still keep on trying to hijack ships.

It's a kidnapping, on a ship, at sea. The Good Guys know precisely where the Bad Guys are located. The Good Guys have Big Guns, and many more of them.

How, precisely, are the Bad Guys supposed to "run," once they've killed their only bargaining chip, the hostage??

Their lives are forfeit, the second they kill the hostages. If their lives are forfeit, guess what...they lost. They're dead.

They don't want to lose. They want to make a living.

Are you truly this stupid, or are you just trolling again?

mvscal wrote:

PSUFAN wrote:The word that some other pirates promised revenge sort of surprised me. Pure mercenaries or opportunists would scarcely do something like that.

Maybe they just aren't very good pirates. Up to now all these gimps had to do was roll up to a ship, fire a couple shots into the air, heave the ship to and collect a payday.

Unless they're, of course, they're fronting for somebody else. Somebody else deeply engaged elsewhere who might not appreciate having his revenue stream interrupted at this junction.

The Fluffer wrote:

GOSD wrote:If they see a ship approaching, they kill their hostages and flee before our ships arrive.

And how are they going to get paid if they don't have a product to sell? See this is why you deliver pizzas for a living.

Van wrote:Minus living hostages, what do they have to sell?? They went to all this trouble, just to kill people, and, hopefully, make their escape?

How does that benefit them at all? For all the money they earned themselves, they could've just stayed home and watched the local beheadings.

Van wrote:You obviously haven't been paying much attention to what they do, or how they do it. These pirates are known for treating their hostages reasonably well. The Somalians are not known for "setting an example" by simply boarding ships, killing a bunch of wealthy westerners, and then scramming.

It would help if you would at least try here.

Van wrote:

WW wrote:Van, they played that poker hand perfectly. There's nothing wrong with a bit of patience.

Remind me to never hire you to safeguard my loved ones. Or my valuables. Or my country.

You're a fucking imbecile, if you think this all played out perfectly.

They engaged and tied up our Navy, and the world media, for five straight days. For five straight days they could've killed that captain. They also could've killed the other captives, before they were rerleased.

War Wagon wrote:

Van wrote:

WW wrote:Van, they played that poker hand perfectly. There's nothing wrong with a bit of patience.

Remind me to never hire you to safeguard my loved ones. Or my valuables. Or my country.

You're a fucking imbecile, if you think this all played out perfectly.

They engaged and tied up our Navy, and the world media, for five straight days. For five straight days they could've killed that captain. They also could've killed the other captives, before they were rerleased.

And you're an idiot if you don't recognize the outcome of this situation was completely satisfactory. The hostage was rescued...

Ooh, but they "tied up our Navy and the world media" for a whole 5 days... instant gratification much?

Safeguard your loved ones? By your methods, they'd already be stone cold dead and lying at the bottom of the Indian ocean, but we'd have sent a message, huh?

Van, you're totally out there on this.

You wanted it to have never happened in the first place, yet it did. This time to Americans. So your reaction is wanting to go cowboy and rush in with guns blazing... yikes... you truly are a Reagan Democrat, and you're getting pwned by guntslinger. Not one of your better days.

Van wrote: Btw, your boy Guntslinger? In his worldly estimation the pirates would've killed the hostages and fled the scene, once they realized they weren't going to get paid.

Didn't exactly work out that way, did it?

Van wrote: Otherwise, your solution is to negotiate, and to play poker with kidnappers.

Mine is to discourage them from even entering the bar.

Christ, WW, do yourself a favor and stick to NASCAR. Your folksy little ad hominems work better there.

GOSD wrote:You mean to tell me that battleships act like fucking ninjas on the high seas and appear only in range of 35 meters and these pirates have no way of knowing the US military is approaching? Or contrary to what I've believed all my life that at sea you can see a ship coming from hundreds of miles away. When did the US get inviso ships?

smackaholic wrote: And no, you can not see ships from hundreds of miles away. You can not see them from one hundred miles. In the right conditions you might see a carrier at 40 or 50 miles, but, I doubt it.

smackaholic wrote:

GOSD wrote:You mean to tell me that battleships act like fucking ninjas on the high seas and appear only in range of 35 meters and these pirates have no way of knowing the US military is approaching? Or contrary to what I've believed all my life that at sea you can see a ship coming from hundreds of miles away. When did the US get inviso ships?

We actually do have inviso ships dumbass. It's called a submarine. We also have inviso airplanes kinda like wonder woman. They are called drones or other craft flying too high to be seen. Then after dark pretty much all of our ships become inviso pretty much. As for them running away when they see us coming? That's a joke too. We got these things called airplanes and choppers. They is REAL fast, compared to a 25 ft boat. And those flying thingies I just mentioned are pretty adept at tearing boats to bits well out of range of any return fire.

The point here is that in the open ocean the tactical deck is stacked sooooo fukking far in our favor, it is beyond ridiculous.

And no, you can not see ships from hundreds of miles away. You can not see them from one hundred miles. In the right conditions you might see a carrier at 40 or 50 miles, but, I doubt it. A patrol craft you couldn't see at 10 miles.

GOSD wrote:post shitty insults

Van wrote:WW, smackie's merely pointing out the stupidity in your flagbearer's (GOSD) argument.

Atomic Punk wrote:

H4ever wrote: Why can't ships hire armed security officers? Light them up with tear gas and if that don't stop the pirates from attempting to board, shoot to kill.

Sounds like a great idea! I'm surprised mvscal hasn't given you the history of the USN and USMC by now. Yeah, it's shocking there isn't a thing called the "Navy" to deal with what you are clueless about.

WW wrote:Please to not refer to pizza delivery boy as my flagbearer.

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Dr_Phibes wrote:In the end, a skinny black with an AK got shot and killed...

GOSD wrote:Yeah, we have helicopters and airplanes. Really fucking difficult for the pirates then to just start taking the hostages back to shore. You armchair limp dick generals are a fucking joke. None of you assfucks have ever contributed anything to your country except post shitty insults and live vicariously through shit you have never been a part of.