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Van wrote:Do you fear backing up your claim? I definitely don't blame you.

As you're so fond of saying, like a nine year old girl...

psssst....USC doesn't lose to anybody by 14. You know it as well as I do, which is why despite all your bluster you won't back it up.

Pssst... this is the third and last time.... I'll say it....

Will you go straight up against Cal ???

All you need to know about frisco is...the fukking giants wore unis that read "Gigantes" on the front tonight...

Great game
Ohio States fans were nails, they almost got their team the W
86 yards to immortality



Hope Mays' injury is very minor
Hope Barkleys injury is minor
Some traditions are cool but that dotting the i thing is just horrible. You have all these homos dressed like nutcrackers goosestepping some dumbass conga line while 100,000 Corkys clap like Cirque de Sloei fans and then some ballerina dances out and takes a bow putting the icing on the gayness cake. Some traditions need to die, that lame i dotting thing is the first on the list, 5 minutes of watching a batch of shortbussers try to spell that out? fuck off lets get the teams on the field, the bands can stay in the stands

SoCalTrjn wrote:Great game
Ohio States fans were nails, they almost got their team the W
86 yards to immortality



Hope Mays' injury is very minor
Hope Barkleys injury is minor
Some traditions are cool but that dotting the i thing is just horrible. You have all these homos dressed like nutcrackers goosestepping some dumbass conga line while 100,000 Corkys clap like Cirque de Sloei fans and then some ballerina dances out and takes a bow putting the icing on the gayness cake. Some traditions need to die, that lame i dotting thing is the first on the list, 5 minutes of watching a batch of shortbussers try to spell that out? fuck off lets get the teams on the field, the bands can stay in the stands

Somehow I think USC will be fine no matter what Barkley's injury is, I'm sure Corp would've won the game too. McKnight was the one that earned USC the W and made the difference.

Well back from the game...first off...

Congratulations to the USC Football Team, Fans and Trojan Nation...hard fought, and tough as nails game...awesome to be IN THE SHOE in person...trust me...

Ok my report...

Pre game - place was nuts by about 3 pm or so...tons of tail gating, etc...we went over to skull session and saw the players come out...fucking got to shake hands with JACK FUCKING TATUM, Jim Tressel, Cris Carter and a bunch of other players...

SHOE WAS FUCKING ROCKING...unreal site, the crowd WAS HUGE...OSU responded to the first blow and showed they cared and showed up and punched back...I had an awesome time and there are some very young players on both teams that you will hear a ton about at this level and the next level...ok now for my rant...

TRESSEL you fucking midget son of a bitch...I FUCKING HATE YOU...1st and FUCKING GOAL AT THE TWO FUCKING YARD Line and you run power THREE FUCKING TIMES...how about a SNEAK...the QB IS FUCKING SIX FEET SIX INCHES tall...you midget fucker...conservatism sucks rhino ass...fuck you you lost the game for these kids...throwing passes with 40 seconds left in the 1/2 FUCK YOU...

rant over

buckeye_in_sc wrote:Well back from the game...first off...

Congratulations to the USC Football Team, Fans and Trojan Nation...hard fought, and tough as nails game...awesome to be IN THE SHOE in person...trust me...

Ok my report...

Pre game - place was nuts by about 3 pm or so...tons of tail gating, etc...we went over to skull session and saw the players come out...fucking got to shake hands with JACK FUCKING TATUM, Jim Tressel, Cris Carter and a bunch of other players...

SHOE WAS FUCKING ROCKING...unreal site, the crowd WAS HUGE...OSU responded to the first blow and showed they cared and showed up and punched back...I had an awesome time and there are some very young players on both teams that you will hear a ton about at this level and the next level...ok now for my rant...

TRESSEL you fucking midget son of a bitch...I FUCKING HATE YOU...1st and FUCKING GOAL AT THE TWO FUCKING YARD Line and you run power THREE FUCKING TIMES...how about a SNEAK...the QB IS FUCKING SIX FEET SIX INCHES tall...you midget fucker...conservatism sucks rhino ass...fuck you you lost the game for these kids...throwing passes with 40 seconds left in the 1/2 FUCK YOU...

rant over

Can't say as how I blame you though. The difference in the two coaches was glaring last night.

No one complained about conservative play in 2002. Last I checked, Ohio State won a national title running this same style of play. What did they do? Play conservative, keep it close, win it late. That worked in 2002 when every Buckeye fan was calling Tress the greatest coach ever.

If Ohio State opens the playbook up, USC blows them the fuck out. You absolutely CANNOT open it up with Terrelle Pryor as your QB. He is a god damn worthless passer. They need to mix in more designed QB draws and option plays. I agree with that. But in terms of playing less conservative......you can't do it with him as your QB. Find a QB that can throw, put Pryor at WR/Wildcat QB and then you can open it up.

Tressel's conservative playcalling put Ohio State in a position to win. They frickin' led 15-10 over the #3 team with a couple minutes to go and had USC backed up inside their own 20. How do you blame Tressel for this? Joe McKnight lost this game for Ohio State........not Tressel.

Let's always blame the coaches for everything. Every god damn time a team loses anymore.........BLAME THE COACH!! How's about blame your defense for not tackling McKnight on that final drive? How's about blaming Terrelle Pryor for having no understanding of throwing to the side of the blitz instead of the opposite side?

Pete Carroll gets a lot of credit for having guts. Shit, that's easy to do when you've got the talent he has. Right now, Tressel doesn't have the offensive talent Carroll does. Boom Herron is not a great RB. Pryor is a horrible QB. The WR's are just kinda meh. What the heck do you expect? There are only a handful of guys on Ohio State's roster that could start for USC. And despite that, they were in a position to win this game. The job of a coach is to put the team in position to win.......not to actually win the game for them. Tressel did that. Step off the ledge, Buckeye fan!

It's not a matter of opening up the playbook for OSU. That's really not the conservatism everybody's griping about. It's Tressell's willingness to leave points on the field in a game where points will clearly be at a premium.

Greg said it, echoing what I said earlier: There was a glaring difference between the coaches, and that difference played a large role in deciding the game. Pete goes for it, putting his faith in his players, despite being stopped the first three times. He gets them - wait for it - 'jacked, and pumped!'

Tressell backs offs, settling for three, demoralizing his team in doing so. Then at the end of the game, where are those points he left on the field? They're still there, when he needs them on the scoreboard.

Yes, Tressell also needs to make better use of his freakishly huge and fast QB in short yardage situations. Let's see here: Hand off to Boom Herron, giving the USC D time to fill the gaps and stuff him, or simply do what Carroll did all night with Barkley, which was to do the nearly unstoppable QB sneak. With a guy like Pryor it really would be nearly unstoppable.

Tressell didn't only walk away from 4th and short once, either. He also never thought to make use of Pryor's size and legs in short yardage situations, by faking and bootlegging. He has the perfect guy for that, and instead he simply played to USC's strength by running TBs straight into the line.

OSU didn't run the ball for shit all night, except for Pryor himself. So, does Tressell make use of his only effective weapon, when he most needs it? Nope, he goes conservative, with three yards and a cloud of dust.

Wth the fire OSU brought to the table last night, and with the vanilla gameplan USC shackled their offense with, I'd just about bet my house that most any decent coach you could name would've won that game for OSU last night.

Switch coaches. Let Pete coach that OSU team last night. OSU wins that game. Let Les Miles coach them. He fires up his charges by willing them and even forcing them to convert on those fourth down plays. Urban Meyer makes use of Pryor's athleticism to come up with something clever in short yardage situations, and the game tilts in OSU's favor. So would DickRod.

Tressell? He just sat there, placid and flaccid, putting his team through a slow bleed.

Jon...I am tired of living off 2002...this is 2009...would you feel the same way with Ferentz if he kicked a FG with a 6'6" QB instead of running a simple sneak and getting the extra FOUR points which would have won the game??? I agree with the points...Tressel lost this game...the players PLAYED the fuck out of it on both sides...though

buckeye_in_sc wrote:...the players PLAYED the fuck out of it on both sides though

Completely agree. That game was a battle and the Buckeyes nearly took it with a good gameplan. Knowing USC's running game is that team's stength they took it away by frequently stuffing 8 guys in the box, daring SC and their frosh QB to beat them another way. I noticed the Trojan running backs missed some blitz assignments as well. I thought both defenses played very, very well. It was pretty incredible to watch OSU basically control the line of scrimmage when SC was on offense for most of the game, win the battle of field position all night...and SC still found a way to win.

Edit to add: SC's kicking game was pretty horrible last night.

Well talking to my buddies who were at the game with me...

1) Pryor is not being utilized correctly
2) Pryor is not a drop back passer
3) Tresselball is not relevant anymore
4) I give both teams credit for scheduling a game like this...


Now what do those on the board think...in the last 2 big games...OSU has lost 25-22 and 18-15...do they get any credit back in your eyes?

By the way...if Dane S goes SIX more inches on his big catch he scores and we don't kick the FG...although the game planning, clock management and play calling for OSU were horrendous...that is another story

Van wrote:It's not a matter of opening up the playbook for OSU. That's really not the conservatism everybody's griping about. It's Tressell's willingness to leave points on the field in a game where points will clearly be at a premium.

that was also the issue michigan fans had with carr near the end of his tenure: punting on 4th and 1 from the opponent's 40; playing for field goals; sitting on ten-point leads halfway through the 3rd quarter; etc. a lot of us take glee in the parallels between carr and tressel since osu's fall is nigh if the corollaries persist.

that was the mgoblog guy's pet issue for the longest time and he continuously posted analysis of whether playing it safe was really the wise thing to do. i never went through the numbers he presented myself, but the basic conclusion was that the risk generally wasn't as extreme as coaches lead us to believe, or something like that. also, that the carr/tressel philosophy is about limiting drives, which allows for a lot more variance in offensive production, which generally benefits the the underdog.

though, i can understand tressel's reluctance to let pryor run the ball 15-20 times a game. i mean, does osu even have a viable backup? another parallel between carr and tressel, i suppose: piss-poor qb recruiting sabotaging their teams. i'll go ahead and speak on dickrod's behalf that sometimes you win a recruiting battle when the guy chooses your arch-rival instead.

good football game and props to USC and Barkley making plays at the end. but, i left this one same as the OSU-Texas game in 05. Tressel plays it too close the vest and USC/UT makes plays to win it when Tress should have trusted his guys make plays for the W instead of play conservative.

buckeye_in_sc wrote:Jon...I am tired of living off 2002...this is 2009...would you feel the same way with Ferentz if he kicked a FG with a 6'6" QB instead of running a simple sneak and getting the extra FOUR points which would have won the game??? I agree with the points...Tressel lost this game...the players PLAYED the fuck out of it on both sides...though

Most smart coaches kick the FG in that spot. Think about it here......

12-10 Ohio State leads. USC has struggled offensively. Ohio State has a very good defense. USC has a very good defense. 2 yards is absolutely NO lock against this defense. A FG is basically a guaranteed 3 points.

Now all you have to do is prevent a struggling offensive team from scoring a touchdown and you win the football game. Go for it and don't get it........USC takes the lead on just a mere FG. Get it and you force them to put the ball in the end zone.

It's the smart move. If they're on the 1 yardline, I use Pryor's 6'6 frame and sneak it. On the 2 yard line, I kick it. Don't get me wrong, I don't think going for it would have been a bad call at all. I just think the smart move is to kick it.

USC had 10 points the entire game. They sustained 1 drive. Tressel wanted to force a team that struggled to sustain drives into having to sustain a drive against his great defense.

Would Pete have gone for it? Yes. But then again he's got more options. 2 yards is not easy to get when EVERYONE in the house knows what's coming. You can't throw the ball in that spot........not with Pryor. Petey knows this. Tressel knows Petey knows this. So you're not letting the ball leave Pryor's hands. So everyone and their dogs knows the ONLY option Tressel has is to QB sneak Pryor. But even with his size, 2 yards is no gimmie against a defense that will be stacked up to stop 1 play, and 1 play only. Now Carroll, on the other hand, has options up the wazoo. He can put McKnight in the backfield and you have to worry about him. He can put Johnson in the backfield, split McKnight out into a slot position and spread the field out and force Ohio State to cover the whole field. The options are endless and OSU's defense would have to respect the pass or run. So of course Petey goes for it. Everyone seems gutsy when they have the talent to get away with making those kind of calls. Urban Meyer is similar. Dude can run any play, make any crazy decision, because he's got the players to make him look smart and gutsy.

And let us not forget a certain 4th and 2 Petey went for that ended up costing him a national title..........

I think right now Ohio State fans are pissed because they're tired of losing these marquee games. But as much as they don't want to hear this, except for the Florida game, they've been flat out-talented. Not outcoached. It's not that Ohio State doesn't have great talent........they do. But name all the players that start for USC? There's MAYBE 5. How many would have started for LSU 2 years ago? Or Texas last year? The last 2 marquee games Tressel has coached in they've lost on the final drive against a team that just flat out had more offensive talent than they did. So I'd say that's not too shabby. You'll win more marquee games under Tressel. There's Big-10 titles, BCS titles and maybe even another national title down the road. But right now these teams they're losing to are just better. Not because they're better coached, but because they've got better players. Period.

It wasn't fourth and goal from the two for OSU. It was from the one; maybe even inside the one.

Terrell Pryor could've simply removed his cup, and looked at one of USC's Song Girls. That would've been enough for him to cross the plane of the goal.

Van wrote:It wasn't fourth and goal from the two for OSU. It was from the one; maybe even inside the one.

Terrell Pryor could've simply removed his cup, and looked at one of USC's Song Girls. That would've been enough for him to cross the plane of the goal.

I was thinking it was on the 2...........I stand corrected.

Inside the 1.........

Yeah, I think you go for it. But I also don't think kicking the FG is a horrible option. Taking 3 free points in a low scoring game against a team with a true freshman QB is NEVER a bad idea.

But I would have gone for it inside the 1.

Regardless.......the guy had his team in position to beat USC. No one is complaining about Tressel kicking the FG if OSU's defense tackles McKnight just one time on that final drive!

The probability of holding USC to ten points over the entire game was just not something to bank on. They were bound to make a play or two at some point.

SS wrote:Not gonna read this thread. Just too much.

Pussy.



Didn't anybody ever tell you...

Reading is fundamental.

Sam, 90% of it is two sentence 'reaction' posts. It was an in-game thread.

Keep in mind, 'Spray, that Socaltrjn is on record here as recently predicting USC would be lucky to go 8-4 this season.

This season could still end up being a train wreck for USC, but a train wreck for them would be 9-3.

Van wrote:Keep in mind, 'Spray, that Socaltrjn is on record here as recently predicting USC would be lucky to go 8-4 this season.

This season could still end up being a train wreck for USC, but a train wreck for them would be 9-3.

After seeing that game and a few others this season, Im thinking that 11-1 or 10-2 is now more likely than 8-4. the 4 losses I thought they would get were vs osu, cal, nd and oregon. Pretty tough road slate I thought. Oregon hasnt played that well and Notre Dame is still coached by Cheesesteak Charlie so feCal is the only game left that Im pretty confident that a loss is eminent in.

Now that USC stands a decent chance of heading into Berkeley with their season still on the line, and with Cal's season likely also being on the line, Cal's chances of winning that game just went into the shitter.

It's Cal. They don't win games like that. The next time Cal wins a gut check game like that will be the first.

Meanwhile, USC always wins the games they need to in order to win the Pac 10. They'll lose here and there, sure, but they only fuck themselves out of the national title. They don't lose the key games which will decide the conference. They win those key matchups.

USC isn't running the table this season, so they're going to lose somewhere, and it sure as fuck won't be at Notre Dame. So, I'm more worried about the game in Autzen than the game in Berkeley. USC's lost three straight in the state of Oregon, and each time it was under similar circumstances to what USC may be bringing into this year's game in Eugene.

Oregon just barely beat the team picked to finish behind fuckin' Indiana in the Big Ten!

So? Who cares what the writers thought? Purdouche is going to be a competitive team this year. They'll put some points on the board, at least.

Sudden Sam wrote:Oregon just barely beat the team picked to finish behind fuckin' Indiana in the Big Ten!

A few things --

Oregon's offense started to click towards the end of the game. If Masoli and Co. start getting it together, watch out.

Perdue's D looked pretty good. Offense was a little shaky, although their RB, Ralph Bolden is pretty damn good.

Where some "picked" Perdue to finish, and how good they actually are, are often two different things.

New coach, whole buncha new players trying to fill some very big shoes... a little slow out of the gate isn't a shocker, and isn't inducing panic... yet.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

Oregon just barely beat the team picked to finish behind fuckin' Indiana in the Big Ten!

So? Who cares what the writers thought? Purdouche is going to be a competitive team this year. They'll put some points on the board, at least.

I dunno. I think Purdon't ends up 3-5 at best in conference, and more like 1-7 or 2-6. Beating them at home by the slimmest of margins is not very impressive.

Sam, the transitive argument will never work. The team which USC faces in the state of Oregon is never the same team which looks like shit in other parts of the year.

For all we know right now Oregon will go on this season to win ten games.

Btw, the unranked team that went into The Swamp last year and beat Florida? That same team also lost to a shitty Vandy team, a shittier S. Carolina team - both at home - and a shitty Wake Forest team.

Somehow, though, that loss by Florida - and Florida was completely healthy that day - was completely excused. It wasn't held against them as a loss to a team who never should've beaten them.

You were saying?

:D

Sam, the transitive argument will never work. The team which USC faces in the state of Oregon is never the same team which looks like shit in other parts of the year.

For all we know right now Oregon will go on this season to win ten games.

This coming from a guy who criticized me for having the audacity to suggest that Iowa improved more than Michigan State throughout the year and that Michigan State team that beat Iowa by essentially a yard was better than Iowa even at the end of the year because, as you claim, it was proven on the field.

So how can Oregon not be the same team now as they will be when they face USC?? I thought every team is the same from game 1 to game 12???

USC was screwed outta the second halves of the '78 and '03 championships.

'Spray, one thing to keep in mind is that Petey isn't the one taking the Oregons and Oregon St's for granted. It's his 18-22 year old players. They're just kids. They're not robots.

I watched the lead up to last year's Oregon St game. Pete was preaching from the hilltops about not taking that game for granted, learning the lessons from the past, gotta play 'em one game at a time, etc.

He was all over his kids about the danger of overlooking Oregon St in that situation. He pointed out to them ad nauseum how they'd screwed the pooch there in Corvallis last time, in '06.

So, what'd they do? They came out and played the worst first half of USC football over the past seven years.

They're kids. The coaches know better. Kids will still always be kids.

'Spray, great teams often have to win big games while looking ugly. Lesser teams often look good in losses. Better teams sometimes look meh in wins.

That game was about determination, but it was also about poise...both from the players and the coaches. When USC needed to show poise they did it. They didn't make the same mistakes late in the game that they'd made earlier. There were no drive killing holding penalties or missed blocking assignments, and Barkley made quick, correct reads. He didn't hold onto the ball too long, as he sometimes did earlier in the game.

In some ways it was more useful that they had to gut out a tough win. I certainly think it was more beneficial to their future growth. Getting tested and coming through will help them down the road more than another blow out win would have.

Spray wrote:I've never liked Petey that much. He smiles too much. He looks too slick.

Maybe, but you'd also buy Gene Chizik a plane ticket and you'd even drive him to the airport if it meant you could have Pete come coach - and recruit for - Auburn for the next ten years.

Van wrote:'Spray, great teams often have to win big games while looking ugly.

Then Perdue's cheerleaders should have brought them an easy W.

Speaking of Ohio State, I just found out that I saw John Cooper at the Iowa-Iowa State game on Saturday.

I saw some dude walking on the sidelines that looked like him, but he had an Iowa State hat on. I think I've heard he was a grad assistant at ISU back in the 70's. Just read an article that Cooper was there as they were honoring some old ISU team. Guess he played at ISU. Never knew that.

Papa Willie wrote:

Van wrote:

Spray wrote:I've never liked Petey that much. He smiles too much. He looks too slick.

Maybe, but you'd also buy Gene Chizik a plane ticket and you'd even drive him to the airport if it meant you could have Pete come coach - and recruit for - Auburn for the next ten years.

Hey man - we're 4th in the country in total yards and 2nd in rushing yards. Not too unhappy with things so far. Will be interesting to see what happens with WVA this coming weekend. So far, so good. WAY better than last year, though!

But come on dude, those games were vs Louisiana Tech and Mississippi State, hell the first 7 games on Auburns schedule are a all cake walks and anything less than 9-3, considering they have 8 home games, should be considered failure.

Socaltrjn wrote:

Spray wrote:Hey man - we're 4th in the country in total yards and 2nd in rushing yards. Not too unhappy with things so far. Will be interesting to see what happens with WVA this coming weekend. So far, so good. WAY better than last year, though!

But come on dude, those games were vs Louisiana Tech and Mississippi State, hell the first 7 games on Auburns schedule are a all cake walks and anything less than 9-3, considering they have 8 home games, should be considered failure.

'Spray, you'd shoot Chizik in the head yourself if it meant getting Pete as your coach.

Anyway, let's see if Socaltrjn is right with what he said there...

2009 Auburn schedule

Louisiana Tech: Cupcake. No way you can lose that.

Mississippi State: Cupcake. No way you can lose that, especially not at home.

West Virginia: Not a cupcake, but not a very good team anymore either, plus it's again at home.

Ball State: Cupcake, and it's at home. Jesus, dude, four straight home games to open the season??

@ Tennessee: Based off of last year's team, this is another cupcake. They also just lost at home to a fairly punchless UCLA. Borderline cupcake.

@ Arkansas: Not quite a cupcake, but not a very good team either. At least it's on the road.

Kentucky: Cupcake, and it's another home game.

@ LSU: One of only two 'tough' roadies all season.

Mississippi: At least you get them at home.

Furman: What the living fuck?? A D1-AA, that late in the season?? Despicable.

@ Georgia: If Auburn's any good this year then this one will be a Pick 'Em.

Alabama: You get them at home too.

Can't decide between 8-4 or 9-3. You'll lose to Bama and LSU. You'll also lose to either Ole Miss or Georgia, and there's my indecision over 9-3 or 8-4. Do you lose only one of those two, or both?

LSU's not very impressive either, so I suppose that one's a possible win too. So, okay, in a best case scenario you go 10-2, and in a worst case scenario it should be 8-4; that is, unless the bottom completely falls out and you also lose to someone like Arkansas or West Virginia.

No Florida on the schedule either, so there's another loss avoided.


Furman?? Really?? Part of me wants to laugh. The other part wants to stab somebody.

Gotta call Van out for bad grammar...

Van wrote:at home...

at home...

home game...

at home...

You're talking about an SEC OOC schedule... where the fuck did you think they were playing them?


Sorry to go all grammar police, but those are flagrant redundancies.

Dinsdale wrote:Gotta call Van out for bad grammar...

Van wrote:at home...

at home...

home game...

at home...

You're talking about an SEC OOC schedule... where the fuck did you think they were playing them?


Sorry to go all grammar police, but those are flagrant redundancies.

Auburn hasnt won a road game OOC this century

SoCalTrjn wrote:Auburn hasnt (sic) won a road game OOC this century.

When you put it that way it sounds pretty bad!



When was the last time Florida won an OOC game outside the southeast region?

1991 Florida won at Syracuse.
Since 1945 Florida has scheduled 20 OOC games out of state but of those 20 only 6 could be considered outside of the South Eastern region of the country
1991 Syracuse
1986 Rutgers
1983 USC
1965 Northwestern
1958 UCLA
1951 Loyola Marymount

in 1997 Auburn went to Virginia and beat the Cavaliers 28-17. Tubberville never won a road game OOC
The last time Auburn left the South Eastern part of the country for a scheduled game and won was 1978 vs Kansas State

Tubberville never won a road game OOC

Never??

Jesus...