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KC Scott wrote:Yea, going to the doctor is a lifestyle choice for sure.

Those dirty motherfucker should just accept and embrace death.

How dare they....

I accept my fate. It's been a good ride, but I've paid for it thru a lifetime of dragging my tired ass out of bed every morning at 5 am.

How dare you or anyone else tell me I'm obligated to also pay for somebody who was too lazy or stupid to work?

Tom

KC Scott wrote:...your COBRA payments...

Isn't that the monthly stipend paid to keep former helicopter grease monkeys and their brain damaged wives off of T1B?

War Wagon wrote:

KC Scott wrote:Yea, going to the doctor is a lifestyle choice for sure.

Those dirty motherfucker should just accept and embrace death.

How dare they....

I accept my fate. It's been a good ride, but I've paid for it thru a lifetime of dragging my tired ass out of bed every day.

How dare you or anyone else tell me I'm obligated to also pay for somebody else who was too lazy to work?

Stop your fucking whining and be ready to pay more taxes to help those who do not work ( by choice). Unbelievable how much pussy bleeding comes from you conservatives.

And the oaks are much too greedy and grab up all the light..!

We need to form a union like the maples!

Thanks for reminding me that CD is stuck in my 03 pickups player and can I not get it out.

KC, you're one dumb shit! Now that most of us will be on the public dole how long until ppl like you demand I quit eating butter, drinking sodas, etc? Hell, you losers were doing that before you advocated paying for everyone's health care...

KC Scott wrote:Yea Marty, I'm kind of expecting a cross between House of the Dead and escape from Thunderdome over here.

Good man Scott, but keep your eyes peeled for the pensioners. You just can't kill them, it's like that film Highlander but without swords, just cups of tea.

Secretly, Scott is "one of us".

Scott knows the score. Imagine if they had fit blacks during Rodney King? They'd have burnt the whole city down, no need for naps every six hours

KC Scott wrote:

Derron wrote:
Stop your fucking whining and be ready to pay more taxes to help those who do not work ( by choice). Unbelievable how much pussy bleeding comes from you conservatives.

Derron - Seriously - How many people out there in our 10% unemployment do you think DON'T want to work?

10% ??? As reported by our state government's..which is complete bullshit..it is more like 16% plus or so actual , so take away the "normal" rate of 5% to 6% and you have 10%, those are likely all seeking work. I am sure most of them want to work, but there are increasing numbers who expect everything to be handed to them, along with paid health care as a "right".

Watch the health care and HMO stocks over the next week and see what happens.

Derron wrote:...expect everything to be handed to them, along with paid health care as a "right".

Like your kid?

KC Scott wrote: Wags - how about people who want to work, are qualified to work but just can't find a job beacuse there aren't any?

Sucks for them. Life's a bitch and then you die. Rub some dirt on it, pussy.

Actually, those recently laid off folks who want to work won't be the major beneficiaries of the scheme to lift money from my wallet.

If you had gotten laid off then got hit with $1500 + per month to keep up your COBRA payments, would you have liked an option of maybe buying catastrophic insurance for your family at say $300 per mo?

Bullshit. COBRA is another free handout.

The people I used to work with, close friends who lost their jobs thru no fault of their own, tell me that their health insurance is actually cheaper now on COBRA... while they're on the dole for another 77 weeks of extended unemployment insurance.

Not that I want to trade places, but that's a nice gig.

KC Scott wrote: I will absolutely tell you there is NO FUCKING WAY Cobra is cheaper than their current healthcare.

So what good is it then and why do they line up to take advantage of it?

Communication breakdown indeed.

KC Scott wrote:I will absolutely tell you there is NO FUCKING WAY Cobra is cheaper than their current healthcare - unless of course your current monthly contribution is way too fucking high.

Absolutely 100% correct. My COBRA payments after I got laid off would have been 5 times what I was paying while with my former employer. Thank God my wife was able to get insurance through her employer, otherwise I would have been completely fucked.

KC Scott wrote:

War Wagon wrote: How dare you or anyone else tell me I'm obligated to also pay for somebody else who was too lazy to work?

Wags - how about people who want to work, are qualified to work but just can't find a job beacuse there aren't any?

Does that kind of sound familiar?

If you had gotten laid off then got hit with $1500 + per month to keep up your COBRA payments, would you have liked an option of maybe buying catastrophic insurance for your family at say $300 per mo?

Dude - c'mon......

$300 Catastrophic Insurance? Sounds reasonable. I'd vote for that. Pity none of that shit was in the bill.

KC Scott wrote:Wags - how about people who want to work, are qualified to work but just can't find a job beacuse there aren't any?

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

If the government wants to help create jobs, the best thing they could do is get the fuck out of the way. Of course, creating jobs is the last thing that the On.igger administration wants to do. His entire administration is predicated on increasing dependency on the federal government. The only thing he has done since he has been elected is kill private sector employment.

Wake the fuck up.

88 wrote:You reap what you sow.

This will turn out to be a very bad law, assuming it isn't repealed or fixed in the short term. And I think a Constitutional challenge to the mandate portion will be interesting.

Those who favor this bill haven't considered the consequences of it. One of the ways the bill's proponents secured a favorable CBO score was to cut reimbursement payments to doctors by 21%. Historically, these cuts have been waived each year by Congress to keep the doctors from revolting (i.e., refusing to treat Medicare/Medicaid patients).

Yep, and it goes beyond that. Out-of-network doctors are typically paid Medicare rates by HMOs for treating their patients and the vast majority of IPAs (Independent Physician Associations) pay their docs medicare rates on a fee-for-service basis. Medicare rates are considered the industry standard for reimbursement, even though the government "discourages" this practice.

And those of you who are rejoicing about this bill's passage should be ashamed of yourselves. Where is it taught that one of America's founding principles is that you have a right to have the government compel someone else pay your living expenses for you? Anything you receive without paying for it is a gift. Anything that is taken from you without your consent is theft.

It seems like these days many in this country expect you to feel guilty for working your ass off to be successful and getting the rewards that come with that. Now instead of looking at a self-made millionaire as something to aspire to, people look at that person as a lottery winner who should share his good fortune.

And this same system of government continues to tell the 40% who do not pay any federal taxes that they are entitled to receive subsidized housing, subsidized food, subsidized education and now subsidized health care, all at other taxpayers' expense. This is unsustainable.

Fucking RACK. Prime example is The People's Republic of California. The entitlement programs were all funded by massive taxes on the middle and upper classes. Those people left and now we're cutting education and police in order to save the free housing, WIC, welfare, Medi-Cal, etc.

BSmack, how exactly does this bill "fix" healthcare? There were many steps that could have been taken to greatly lower health care costs: Repeal anti-trust exemption, put limits on pain and suffering lawsuit awards, impose penalties for non-emergent use of ERs, impose penalties for denying care clearly covered under contract, regulate pharmaceutical prices by staggering R&D recoupment over 10 years, instituting a Medicare/Medicaid fraud-prevention program with teeth, etc, etc, et-fucking-cetera. If they did half of those, this would be a huge step. Instead, they did none of them yet you're applauding them going five-hole on you.

So now we're forcing employers to pony up the majority of the costs and subsidizing the rest through taxes or "co-percentage of value-added fees" or whatever the current term is to avoid saying "tax"? Solid plan until the HMOs decry the burden of the end of pre-existing conditions and higher costs force business owners to cut hours or lay off staff in order to stay afloat. In the end you get unsustainable health care for the poor, more middle class people out of work, and in the ultimate irony, higher health care premiums and the same profits for HMOs. :doh:

KC Scott wrote:

War Wagon wrote: How dare you or anyone else tell me I'm obligated to also pay for somebody else who was too lazy to work?

Wags - how about people who want to work, are qualified to work but just can't find a job beacuse there aren't any?

Does that kind of sound familiar?

If you had gotten laid off then got hit with $1500 + per month to keep up your COBRA payments, would you have liked an option of maybe buying catastrophic insurance for your family at say $300 per mo?

Dude - c'mon......

What about a working American say, making 10 bucks an hour, and the father of a young daughter who came down with RSV or pneumonia and while not castastrophic at first, could eventually take the life of this young American daughter of a working American father who cannot afford 350 bucks a month for a policy at work with a 2500 dollar deductible and a 20% copay?

Why should his child almost DIE before healthcare can be obtained at an ER? Now you know why the steady march to socialism continues. It SOUNDS better to millions of Americans in similar predicaments. Did you expect them to NOT vote for buffoons? Just let the greedy-fucks in the insurance industry continue golfing in Cabo while his daughter hacks her lungs up and writhes around in pain, screaming and crying wanting Daddy to do something about her pain?

The working American I mentioned happened to be a relative of mine. He chose rent and grocery money over a policy of little benefit he could not afford and sure as shit...his child became deathly ill.

P.S. He did not qualify for medicaid because he works and was too pround to quit his job. Should have bettered himself? He had a motorcycle accident ten years ago and is doing the best he can. Not enough brain damage to qualify for SSI. What of him or the countless others out there?

BSmack wrote:

titlover wrote:

BSmack wrote:Every economic transaction is a "redistribution of wealth". What's yer fucking point?

uhhhh, it's kinda different when the gubment forces it on you.

jesus, you are one stupid fucking moron.

Oh, like when the government forces me to pay for a war I wanted no part of?

SOCIALISM!!!!

did the war cost trillions in debt?

H4Ever, do you think this legislation was the appropriate way to address the situation you presented?

H4ever wrote:

KC Scott wrote:

War Wagon wrote: How dare you or anyone else tell me I'm obligated to also pay for somebody else who was too lazy to work?

Wags - how about people who want to work, are qualified to work but just can't find a job beacuse there aren't any?

Does that kind of sound familiar?

If you had gotten laid off then got hit with $1500 + per month to keep up your COBRA payments, would you have liked an option of maybe buying catastrophic insurance for your family at say $300 per mo?

Dude - c'mon......

What about a working American say, making 10 bucks an hour, and the father of a young daughter who came down with RSV or pneumonia and while not castastrophic at first, could eventually take the life of this young American daughter of a working American father who cannot afford 350 bucks a month for a policy at work with a 2500 dollar deductible and a 20% copay?

Why should his child almost DIE before healthcare can be obtained at an ER? Now you know why the steady march to socialism continues. It SOUNDS better to millions of Americans in similar predicaments. Did you expect them to NOT vote for buffoons? Just let the greedy-fucks in the insurance industry continue golfing in Cabo while his daughter hacks her lungs up and writhes around in pain, screaming and crying wanting Daddy to do something about her pain?

The working American I mentioned happened to be a relative of mine. He chose rent and grocery money over a policy of little benefit he could not afford and sure as shit...his child became deathly ill.

P.S. He did not qualify for medicaid because he works and was too pround to quit his job. Should have bettered himself? He had a motorcycle accident ten years ago and is doing the best he can. Not enough brain damage to qualify for SSI. What of him or the countless others out there?

i'm betting if you take a look at the daddy's budget there is some disposable income that could be moved around to afford that insurance. it's all about priorities...

H4ever wrote:What about a working American say, making 10 bucks an hour, and the father of a young daughter who came down with RSV or pneumonia and while not castastrophic at first, could eventually take the life of this young American daughter of a working American father who cannot afford 350 bucks a month for a policy at work with a 2500 dollar deductible and a 20% copay?

Why should his child almost DIE before healthcare can be obtained at an ER? Now you know why the steady march to socialism continues. It SOUNDS better to millions of Americans in similar predicaments. Did you expect them to NOT vote for buffoons? Just let the greedy-fucks in the insurance industry continue golfing in Cabo while his daughter hacks her lungs up and writhes around in pain, screaming and crying wanting Daddy to do something about her pain?

The working American I mentioned happened to be a relative of mine. He chose rent and grocery money over a policy of little benefit he could not afford and sure as shit...his child became deathly ill.

P.S. He did not qualify for medicaid because he works and was too pround to quit his job. Should have bettered himself? He had a motorcycle accident ten years ago and is doing the best he can. Not enough brain damage to qualify for SSI. What of him or the countless others out there?

That's certainly horrible and I can't even imagine what it would be like to see a child go through that, especially after his own struggles. It's not fair. But who said life is fair? It isn't and never has been. He and his daughter both got dealt a shit hand. But that type of scenario happens all the time, all over the world. LIFE IS HARD.

titlover wrote:

BSmack wrote:

titlover wrote:uhhhh, it's kinda different when the gubment forces it on you.

Oh, like when the government forces me to pay for a war I wanted no part of?

SOCIALISM!!!!

did the war cost trillions in debt?

I don't care if it cost as much as the lobotomy you so desperately need, the point is that the Feds took money from me to pay for something I DON'T WANT. And you were good with that. Yet now when the coin lands on the other head, you cry Socialism.

JMak wrote:H4Ever, do you think this legislation was the appropriate way to address the situation you presented?

Yet his relative's situation is hardly new. Those type of situations have been happening through decades. Yet when the republicans had power they failed to produce an acceptable solution.

Just like the election, this legislation was the result of Americans being tired of the crap being peddled by conservatives. Don't like what's going on? Stop throwing proponents of feudalism up for election.

titlover wrote:

H4ever wrote:

KC Scott wrote:Wags - how about people who want to work, are qualified to work but just can't find a job beacuse there aren't any?

Does that kind of sound familiar?

If you had gotten laid off then got hit with $1500 + per month to keep up your COBRA payments, would you have liked an option of maybe buying catastrophic insurance for your family at say $300 per mo?

Dude - c'mon......

What about a working American say, making 10 bucks an hour, and the father of a young daughter who came down with RSV or pneumonia and while not castastrophic at first, could eventually take the life of this young American daughter of a working American father who cannot afford 350 bucks a month for a policy at work with a 2500 dollar deductible and a 20% copay?

Why should his child almost DIE before healthcare can be obtained at an ER? Now you know why the steady march to socialism continues. It SOUNDS better to millions of Americans in similar predicaments. Did you expect them to NOT vote for buffoons? Just let the greedy-fucks in the insurance industry continue golfing in Cabo while his daughter hacks her lungs up and writhes around in pain, screaming and crying wanting Daddy to do something about her pain?

The working American I mentioned happened to be a relative of mine. He chose rent and grocery money over a policy of little benefit he could not afford and sure as shit...his child became deathly ill.

P.S. He did not qualify for medicaid because he works and was too pround to quit his job. Should have bettered himself? He had a motorcycle accident ten years ago and is doing the best he can. Not enough brain damage to qualify for SSI. What of him or the countless others out there?

i'm betting if you take a look at the daddy's budget there is some disposable income that could be moved around to afford that insurance. it's all about priorities...

Of course...let's assume he's at fault rather than looking at our own actions that might have created that situation.

Diego, clear majorities or near majorities opposed this legislation...

BSmack wrote:the point is that the Feds took money from me to pay for something I DON'T WANT.

Tough fucking shit. Whether you like it or not, national defense is a constitutionally mandated federal responsibility. Your healthcare is not.

Quite frankly, I don't give a fuck about your healthcare. That's your problem not mine.

Diego in Seattle wrote: this legislation was the result of Americans being tired of the crap being peddled by conservatives.

Suck on a shotgun, you kiddie diddling fucktard.

Washington (CNN) - A majority of Americans have a dim view of the sweeping health care bill passed by the House, saying it gives Washington too much clout and won't do much to reduce their own health care costs or federal deficits, according to a new poll released Monday.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll found that 59 percent of those surveyed opposed the bill, and 39 percent favored it.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... AfibtLk5ZT

Diego in Seattle wrote:Just like the election, this legislation was the result of Americans being tired of the crap being peddled by conservatives. Don't like what's going on? Stop throwing proponents of feudalism up for election.

mvscal wrote: A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll found that 59 percent of those surveyed opposed the bill, and 39 percent favored it.

You might want to check those numbers by reading the actual poll you stupid racist parrot.

Sirfindafold wrote:

What is that thing on the right?

IndyFrisco wrote:

Sirfindafold wrote:

What is that thing on the right?

Looks like Keith Richards on a bad hair day.

And for those complaining about this health care bill, may I suggest doing what I have done? I began doing this when Obama got elected. I quit giving to any and all charities which used to be quite a bit. I will never donate to another catastrophic world event again such as Haiti, the tsunami in Indonesia, or even something domestic such as Katrina. There's not much I can do about changing the law itself other than vote. When that didn't work, I simply accepted the fact the governrment wants to decide where I donate my disposable income. If it were up to me, I would choose to give to those who deserve it, not those who feel they are entitled to it just because they are too lazy or too dumb to find a job. Good people get laid off all the time. That's life. I should not have to pay for it, but if I do, it will be at the expense of someone else I would normally voluntarily help.

BSmk wrote:Yet now when the coin lands on the other head, you cry Socialism.

He was gonna cry "YAHTZEE!", but that would have just been ridiculous.

Moving Sale wrote:

mvscal wrote: A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll found that 59 percent of those surveyed opposed the bill, and 39 percent favored it.

You might want to check those numbers by reading the actual poll you stupid racist parrot.

Yeah, I'm sure they must be lying about their own poll. Either that or you are choad gargling dipshit.

Diego in Seattle wrote:the crap being peddled by conservatives.

Huh?

Are you retarded?

I'm a conservative. Very definitely NOT a Republican, since those two things are at odds.

I'd compare my conservatism to being somewhere right around James Fucking Madison.

That said, none of this shit is "conservative."

Conservatives don't pimp ridiculous laws to pay back their benefactors from past elections. Conservatives have no desire to babysit anyone. Conservatives would have never enacted stupid fucking laws that fucked up what was once a near-perfect health care system.

If I was in charge, as a Conservative...

Repeal the HMO Act of 1973. The Fed has no Constitutional right to enact such bullshit. By FORCING companies to purchase group plans, they completely FUCKED the entire Supply/Demand graph that ALL economic transactions in Human Fucking History have operated within, by creating an artificial tweak in the demad curve... FACT. When an outside entity (Big Government, usually) jacks up the demand side of the graph, there's no fucking chance that prices won't increase at a rate consistant with the tweak to the demand curve... IRREFUTABLE FACT, based on THOUSANDS of years of human commerce. If you can't grasp this concepot, stop reading this, and get your uneducated ass back to junior high school for a do-over.

BUT THEN...

Whose fucking idea was it to prohibit selling insurance across state lines? Sure the fuck wasn't a CONSERVATIVE, that's for sure. To a Conservative, the Interstate Commerce Clause exists ONLY to ensure the free flow of goods between states -- NEVER to restrict it. So, with the demand side of the graph already in an artificial tizzy, what's left to fuck with? The supply side. And going back to that good ol' junior high economics class... if you reduce supply, what happens, 100% of the fucking time? Prices increase... EVERY SINGLE TIME, IN ANY ECONOMIC MODEL YOU CARE TO CITE.

So, let's check the scoreboard:

Big Government -- infinity
People -- broke


So, at this point, the problems of the overall health care industry have been CAUSED by Big Government intervention.

The solution?

Yeah, putting Big Government further in charge... makes perfect sense.


And what's all this bullshit about "insurance" anyway. When I was a kid, we had catastophic insurance, sure. But when we needed a few stitches, or a tetanus shot, guess what? We went to the doctor's office, got the treatment we needed.... and get this craziness...

We then handed him cash/check, and paid our bill.

Crazy, I know... but good ol' Dad paid for his kids' health problems. And since there wasn't all this government-run, gun-to-the-head business model (another thing non-Conservatives fucked up -- every doctor/insurance company HAS to operate under a government-mandated business model? That's INSANE, and goes a looooong way to eliminating both competition and efficiency), the doctor didn't need 3 pencil-pushers for every person who actually helped the patients. Nope, he took the check, handed it to the receptionist/nurse (funny concept these days), and they stuck it in the bank... no legal mumbo-jumbo, no jumping through HMO hoops -- just a good old fashioned business transaction, between two private parties.

Then, the commies took all of that away... and prices shot up astronomically.

Shove your "it's the conservatives!" shit straight up your ass -- and pay your own fucking doctor bill to have it surgically removed.

It's YOUR kind that fucked shit up -- not mine. To even try to argue otherwise is asinine.

mvscal wrote:Yeah, I'm sure they must be lying about their own poll. Either that or you are choad gargling dipshit.

I think you're missing the point:

What do you think Congress should do on health care -- pass a health care bill similar to the legislation that Congress has been working on for the past year, start work on an entirely new bill, or stop working on any bills that would change the country's health care system?

Feb. 12-15…………. Jan. 22-24

Pass similar bill 25%............ 30%
Start work on new bill 48%.................48%
Stop working on health care 25%................. 21%
Other (vol.) 2%................ 1%
No opinion 1%................... 1%

Yeah, that's it -- when federal legislation has OBVIOUSLY fucked things up beyond what is reasonable... pass more legislation.

Don't even consider repealing the fucked up laws that caused the mess -- just pass more laws.

Because Congress won't ever even entertain the idea of repealing shit that's obviously counterproductive -- it ain't about the People, it's about them and their benefactors getting their more-than-fair share.

And let's not forget -- those same Congresspeople are essentailly exempt from the laws they're currently imposing on everyone else... and no one sees the problem with that?