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smackaholic wrote:So what would another coat of stuff now, under hardly any pressure at all do for it? You stain boards to keep them looking pretty, mostly.

Completely false.


And hard to tell from the pic, but from the bad view, those sure don't look like PT. They're have little tiny perfirations all over if they are, not to mention the brownish tinge of CCA.

The reason you treat the tops of the joists (aluminum caps or cold tar works awesome), is that the joist tops are where the leaves/airborne crap sits after they fall through the gap in the deckboards. They then act as a sponge, and hold the moisture against the joists, and they rot. If you want that fucker in good shape when you're 80, spend an hour and $20 treating the joists.

Dinsdale wrote:

smackaholic wrote:Hey dins, nice call on the lawnmower mill. Could you have guessed it without the aircleaner? How many horse?

I could have guessed it with the aircleaner removed. A B&S carb is on the other side. And Tecumseh has those funny small mufflers.

I don't think there's any difference in appearance of the different horsepower ratings in that engine series.


BTW -- I'm pretty sure that an exterior concrete wall that holds up the second story is indeed "load bearing."

As I just got done 'splaining to goobs, yeah, I guess all walls carry someload, but "load bearing" walls are the overachiever walls that all the interior joists tie into.

This ain't that wall. This is one of them lazy walls commonly found on the gable ends of capecod style dwellings.Whatever sill plate there is above that wall would easily carry the wall above it even if you knocked another four or 5 ft out of it. It fact, a wall all tied together with whatever sheathing will pretty much carry itself. This is why we don't call this particular wall a load bearing wall.

sin

MA, structural engineer

Dinsdale wrote:

smackaholic wrote:So what would another coat of stuff now, under hardly any pressure at all do for it? You stain boards to keep them looking pretty, mostly.

Completely false.


And hard to tell from the pic, but from the bad view, those sure don't look like PT. They're have little tiny perfirations all over if they are, not to mention the brownish tinge of CCA.

The reason you treat the tops of the joists (aluminum caps or cold tar works awesome), is that the joist tops are where the leaves/airborne crap sits after they fall through the gap in the deckboards. They then act as a sponge, and hold the moisture against the joists, and they rot. If you want that fucker in good shape when you're 80, spend an hour and $20 treating the joists.

It is PT. Not U&L PT, so it may look different. Round these parts SYP is the wood of choice for PT. Perhaps in your neck of the woods they use fir or something else local.

I will actually buy your explanation though, thanks. Unlike some fukks here, I don't profess to know it all and when somebody gives me a decent 'splaination I might just heed it.

The next couple of fukks that own this house after i'm dead owe you.

Just because you haven’t jacked off on that wall does not make it non load bearing.

Sincerely,

MA, building inspector

Dinsdale wrote: And hard to tell from the pic, but from the bad view, those sure don't look like PT. They're have little tiny perfirations all over if they are, not to mention the brownish tinge of CCA.

The reason you treat the tops of the joists (aluminum caps or cold tar works awesome), is that the joist tops are where the leaves/airborne crap sits after they fall through the gap in the deckboards. They then act as a sponge, and hold the moisture against the joists, and they rot. If you want that fucker in good shape when you're 80, spend an hour and $20 treating the joists.

Dins, could he get away with using Copper Green now that he's already put it together with the Simpson ties? (I'm sure you'll figure out a way to insult me in response).

That looks like a terrific place to "set up shop."

Sin,

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

That looks like a terrific place to "set up shop."

Sin,

FTFY.

"Wait here...I'll see if there's anything to eat inside..."

oh fuck, bahahahaha

Now....where can I put this?



- Mrs. smackaholic

I'm done.

Now it's on to the pavers to extend patio.

smackaholic wrote:Quite seriously, actually. Why not? There is room for it. It's not likely to end up in architectual digest, but, WGAF. My basement is quite big and has high ceilings, well over 8 ft.

So, go ahead and channel dins and tell me why a garage door there is a bad idea. It's not a load bearing wall, so it's not like I'd need some steel I-beam monster header.

If I were going to be channeling anyone about load bearing stupidity that person would be Mike Holmes, not Dins.

My question related more towards aesthetics... When you have to drive underneath your deck to park your car in the garage... this just screams trailer park.

I mean, you did plan on making a garage out of that space… right?

Go Coogs' wrote:

I'm done.

Now it's on to the pavers to extend patio.

Is that one of those plastic sheds?

Yes. All plastic.

If I were your neighbor, I'd build a taller fence.

Goober McTuber wrote:If I were your neighbor, I'd build a taller fence.

You can't stop Rumplewife, you can only hope to contain her.

hope has...failed.

Go Coogs' wrote:

I'm done.

Has that "ramp" been load tested?

Need help increasing your property value? Give me a call.

Sin,

Rack the ornamental plants you have there sticking up from the mud.

Atomic Punk wrote: Has that "ramp" been load tested?

Nope.

I'm sorry for not cropping out the tarp in that pic, AP.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:

smackaholic wrote:Quite seriously, actually. Why not? There is room for it. It's not likely to end up in architectual digest, but, WGAF. My basement is quite big and has high ceilings, well over 8 ft.

So, go ahead and channel dins and tell me why a garage door there is a bad idea. It's not a load bearing wall, so it's not like I'd need some steel I-beam monster header.

If I were going to be channeling anyone about load bearing stupidity that person would be Mike Holmes, not Dins.

My question related more towards aesthetics... When you have to drive underneath your deck to park your car in the garage... this just screams trailer park.

I mean, you did plan on making a garage out of that space… right?

Yeah, I hear you. As I said, architectual digest ain't likely to be calling any time soon. Thing is, I want a garage. Not to pull into every day, but mainly to fill full of shit, put my bike in and maybe occasionally drag a car into if I decide to do something major like a new clutch or something. Also, is that the way my lot lays, nobody will have a clue there is a garage there other than one neighbor and you fukks. The curbside aesthetics are affected not a single bit.

PSUFAN wrote:Rack the ornamental plants you have there sticking up from the mud.

Unrack those motherfukkers. they are like michael meyers. you can't kill them. i've dug them up, mowed over them. i think i even set some on fire and they keep popping up everywhere. everywhere except under the maple tree in my front yard near the road. i gave up trying to get grass to grow there a few years back. I can get it started, but, the combination of full shade from the maple and the nice dose of road salt it gets every winter make it pretty much incapable of growing anything.

smackaholic wrote: actually, he was a carpenter, come to think of it, till he decided to quit that and be just another stinking hippy layabout.

He didnt quit. The boy was pretty good and even knew where to buy 6 sided boards but got fired after using phillips bits.

That wall is the most pathetic display of concrete workmanship north of El Salvadore.

In the interest of continuing this thread without hurting our eyes, I've resized the pic for you nut-jugglers.



No charge.

I'm digging on the 3 (4?) different extension cords braided up all over the work area.

BTW -- is that tupperware siding?


I'm not sure the mold/moss makes it any more white trash than it already is.

smackaholic wrote: Unrack those motherfukkers. they are like michael meyers. you can't kill them.

:rolleyes:


Sin,
2-4-D


P.S.: Go see AP (praise be unto not being him) and get a hose-end sprayer full of it. Them's is dabomb.

There is no doubt Cuda's chin, forehead, and eye sockets are load-bearing.

War Wagon wrote:

That wall is the most pathetic display of concrete workmanship north of El Salvadore.

Don't be hating on my basement wall. It's got "character".

The old boy that built this place did everything himself. You can tell he didn't use them newfangled forms. He used 2x10s. And I got a pretty good idea what he with them 2x10s when he pulled the forms down. He used them as floor joists. A fair number of the first floor joists still have 1958 concrete stains. Doesn't seem to affect them much though.

Dinsdale wrote:I'm digging on the 3 (4?) different extension cords braided up all over the work area.

3 and 1 garden hose.

Dinsdale wrote:BTW -- is that tupperware siding?


I'm not sure the mold/moss makes it any more white trash than it already is.

whoever put the tupperware up actually did a nice yob. not a single bit of it hanging off the house or all wavy looking as is typical with tupperware jobs. it looks fuggen beautiful next to that concrete. probably ought to just continue the siding right down to grade.

smackaholic wrote: Don't be hating on my basement wall. It's got "character".

The old boy that built this place did everything himself. You can tell he didn't use them newfangled forms. He used 2x10s. And I got a pretty good idea what he with them 2x10s when he pulled the forms down. He used them as floor joists. A fair number of the first floor joists still have 1958 concrete stains. Doesn't seem to affect them much though.

He used 4 x 8 sheets of 1/4" plywood with the 2 x 10's as backup spaced every 3 feet or so, placed vertically. No horizontal bracing at all, there must be a 1/2" of deflection in that wall. That concrete you see on the joists was spillage.

But yes, definiteley a lot of 'character' there and no hate whatsoever for a man using whatever he has available to get a job done.

But has the thought occurred to you that this epcot deck you're building is like putting lipstick on a pig?

Good deal, Rumps.

Curious, did you have to get approval from the HOA to put the new structure up on your property?

Yes, Pops. You have to get HOA approval for anything structural.

War Wagon wrote:

smackaholic wrote: Don't be hating on my basement wall. It's got "character".

The old boy that built this place did everything himself. You can tell he didn't use them newfangled forms. He used 2x10s. And I got a pretty good idea what he with them 2x10s when he pulled the forms down. He used them as floor joists. A fair number of the first floor joists still have 1958 concrete stains. Doesn't seem to affect them much though.

He used 4 x 8 sheets of 1/4" plywood with the 2 x 10's as backup spaced every 3 feet or so, placed vertically. No horizontal bracing at all, there must be a 1/2" of deflection in that wall. That concrete you see on the joists was spillage.

But yes, definiteley a lot of 'character' there and no hate whatsoever for a man using whatever he has available to get a job done.

But has the thought occurred to you that this epcot deck you're building is like putting lipstick on a pig?

Wow, you've inspected this wall closer than I have by the sounds of it.

I can assure you that not a single sheet of plywood was used to form the concrete molds. Every last inch of my foundation wall has a board pattern to it. I guess plywood wasn't used as extensively in '58 as it is today. Infact, the only piece of structural plywood in the house that I can think of is the 3/4 piece I installed in the roof when I reshingled it awhile back. The chimney flashing had developed a leak that softened up a number of the 1x6 tongue and groove (aka 14 sided) boards that were standard issue roof decking back in the day. Actually, my bedroom has some 1/4 luan under the laminate flooring as well.

Go Coogs' wrote:Yes, Pops. You have to get HOA approval for anything structural.

What's a HOA?

Sin,

What the fuck is gained by building a deck there? The only view that area looks to give is one of semi-retarded masked maniacs going Slap Chop on horny teenagers.

What's a HOA?

I fuggen love you guys. That's the best comeback yet.

R-jack, There is a view believe it or not. Not a sierra nevada kind of view you're prolly used to. And it becomes somewhat compromised this time of year when all them fukkin' oak trees burst out their leaves, but, that's nothing my trusty Stihl can't fix.

Anyway, say what you fukkers will about my palace, it's prolly not as nice as some, definitely not as nice as Indy's or mikey's casas, but, I bet it's nicer than the flat over a liquor store dins rents. And there's another thing that looks pretty fukkin' cool. It's my mortgage statement. Sitting here on my desk which is slightly more organized than that OSHA inspector's wet dream under the deck is the statement from december. The "new principal balance" is 51,494.11. Today, it's well under fity. I think it's 47 and change, maybe 48. That's as fuggen beautiful as anybody's perfectly manicured lawn. Ofcourse if you have both, then 'bode you I guess.

Time to go out there with my trusty R2 square bit equipped Hilte drill and try to make this place look almost like white folks live here.

And Dins, about your treating already treated stuff, I went to the big orange box again and found the one dude there that seems like he knows what he's talking about. Actually, some HDs might have 2 of these guys. I ran the idea of treating the tops of the joists by him and he looked at me a little funny and said "sounds like a little overkill don'cha think?" I said yeah, but, this dude who thinks he's the smartest fukker in the world said it'd collapse if I didn't. He said "yeah, it will, but, we'll both be dead by then". Actually, he then said something that kinda made all this shit make sense. he said if it was PT doug fir, I'd agree, but, this SYP is tougher than cinder's clitoris. I said you know what, this smartass dude is in the U&L and being in the U&L, they wouldn't even think about using inferior wood cultivated and harvested by sudden sam's inbred cousin (yeah, like sam's got any other kind of cousin). So, I'd be willing to bet that they use doug fir or some other native, but, not quite as tough as SYP stuff.

PT lumber is apparently like football. It is stronger, bigger and faster when it comes from the SEC. I just hope it holds up well for this 40 year road game in the Big East.