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Goober McTuber wrote:

He's a horrible human being. Charlie Manson didn't have a direct adverse impact on me either. But I still feel in my gut that he's a horrible human being. Same with Tiger. Except he doesn't have Charlie's musical skills.

the worst kind of false equivalency.....so what is it that makes him "a horrible human being" other than his infidelity and occasional temperamental outbursts on a golf course?

the Tiger Woods Foundation has raised hundreds of millions of dollars for underprivileged kids.....Woods has donated millions of his own money as well as his time to that cause....in addition to his foundation, he's a big supporter of the Shriners Hospital, St. Judes Hospital, The Rainforest Foundation, etc.

woods is, by far, the most charitable professional golfer and in the top five of most charitable athletes....so again, what is it that makes him a horrible human being?

Van wrote:Exactly, Dins. I'm sitting here chuckling in amusement over Screwball's and Mgo's feigned righteous indignation over the notion of a professional athlete cheating on his wife.

Him cheating on his wife is the last thing I care about. He's a piece of shit, a terrible person and a horrible human being. You are judged upon how you treat the help. Tiger treats everyone like shit. Except for Jim Nantz, who he should treat like shit.

I think it’s wonderful that Tiger set up a non-profit foundation to do charitable works, though Earl probably had quite a bit to do with that. Yes, Tiger gives away more than any other athlete, but he makes a lot more money than any other athlete. He gave a total $10 million to his foundation in 2006 and 2007 at a time when he was making well over $100 million per year. My wife and I donate at a slightly lesser rate.

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=4999660

His foundation is not trending well in terms of revenue vs expenses, but still seems to get decent ratings as compared to other charitable organizations.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.c ... orgid=8100

Look, I think it’s wonderful any time wealthy athletes and entertainers give to charity. But this isn’t exactly a “give till it hurts” scenario here. And it doesn’t give him a free pass to Asshole World.

I don’t have a great deal of respect for anyone who chooses to cheat on their spouse, though he’s hardly unique in that regard. And I don’t believe I’ve ever made much mention of it on these boards, or suggested that he’s a horrible human being because of that.

He's a horrible human being because he’s a rude, foul-mouthed, self-centered boor with no respect for the game of golf.

Screw_Michigan wrote:Him cheating on his wife is the last thing I care about. He's a piece of shit, a terrible person and a horrible human being. You are judged upon how you treat the help. Tiger treats everyone like shit. Except for Jim Nantz, who he should treat like shit.

Not seeing the specific examples. Just more generalizations. And certainly nothing that warrants even a passing comparison to Charles Manson.

Papa Willie wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

Papa Willie wrote:If you don't think it takes skill to do what they're doing, then you need to go fuck some children and then go to hell.

WTF?!?

Everybody's a child to you.

Who’s your daddy, fatty.

Goober McTuber wrote:He's a horrible human being because he’s a rude, foul-mouthed, self-centered boor with no respect for the game of golf.

Bingo! That pretty well sums it up except that you forgot to include "spoiled ass rotten brat who thinks he's bigger than the game". He ain't. He's Barry Bonds with a golf club.

Goober McTuber wrote: He's a horrible human being because he’s a rude, foul-mouthed, self-centered boor with no respect for the game of golf.

LA LALALA LA! I can't hear you!

Sin,

BSuck

Goober McTuber wrote:I don’t have a great deal of respect for anyone who chooses to cheat on their spouse though he’s hardly unique in that regard. And I don’t believe I’ve ever made much mention of it on these boards, or suggested that he’s a horrible human being because of that.

I don't know that he's a "horrible human being." I think he's an unlikeable self-centered piece of crap, at the very least, and I think it's perfectly acceptable to factor into that assessment the banging of dozens of skanks while he's got a family at home, and the ensuing lame excuse and fake contrition. This notion that you can't judge basic human decency and character until you're personally fucked over is really stupid. Might as well shut this shithole down, in that case.

Good that a multi-millionaire has some charities in line. Never seen that before. Though I suspect it's more out of the goodness of his image than his heart, I won't hold that against him.

All the other assholeish, whiny, bratty and entitled behavior on and off the course is just icing on the cake. Seriously, what is there to root for with this guy, especially now that he barely competes, much less dominates? Economic stimulation? That's seriously a rooting point for you tools when you watch him line up a putt? Do you root for the Dallas Cowboys too, since a viable "America's Team" is good for the NFL?

lots of speculation statements that woods is an asshole and that very well might be true, although I've also heard he's well liked by other golfers....that generally speaking, most of his peers think he's a good dude....the speculation statements I've heard about him being an asshole usually come from media types and people that didn't get his autograph....I've never met the guy and I don't know anybody that has, so it would be pretty tough for me to make an evaluation of what kind of a person he is....just as it should be for those that want to throw him under the bus based on what others have said....

I'm not trying to defend the guy, but at the same time find it disingenuous for anybody to speculate on what type of person he is without knowing all the facts.....but tell you what, you go through every day of your life with people sticking shit in your face for you to sign, or wanting a picture with you, or wanting you to shell out money on some hare brained scheme or phony charity and lets see how agreeable you are....

Felix wrote:but tell you what, you go through every day of your life with people sticking shit in your face for you to sign, or wanting a picture with you, or wanting you to shell out money on some hare brained scheme or phony charity and lets see how agreeable you are....

Hey dumbfuck, then don't join the fucking PGA Tour, pass up the purse money and stick to bagging groceries at the local Safeway for fuck's sake. What a whiny POS you are when it comes to Tiger. "OHH! POOR ME!!! People are always all over me, asking me for photos! To sign shit! WAAAAAAHHHH!" Give me a fucking break. Tiger is not unique yet those in his same situation (in golf and other sports) seem to find the fucking grace and civility to act like a decent human being, something Tiger doesn't have the fucking GUTS or BALLS to do. Instead he takes the easy way out and acts like a BITCH.

I'm surprised, Felix. You don't pull this act in CDS but yet you metamorphosis into some bitch in the golf forum when it comes to Tiger. What is wrong with you? Oh yeah, you're a FANBOI and refuse to face criticism of your idol. You and BSuck are decent guys but when it comes to Tiger and being Tiger apologists, you're pathetic.

Tiger is not unique?

If he's not, I'd like to know who is, seeing as how he's only the single most recognized athlete in the world. I guess if he was ever standing in a room with Muhammed Ali and Michael Jackson, okay, he's sort of Just Like Those Other Guys, but to say he's not unique among active athletes is just ridiculous.

There isn't another person in the current or past PGA who can even begin to imagine what it's like to live in Tiger's shoes every day. Not Arnie, not Jack, and certainly not Rory McIlroy, Phil Mickelson or Bubba Watson.

Maybe Lionel Messi? Okay, if Messi remains Messi for another decade or so, fine, he might have some inkling as to what it's like, but that's about it.

Van wrote:Tiger is not unique?

If he's not, I'd like to know who is, seeing as how he's only the single most recognized athlete in the world.

Of course he's not unique. There are multiple handfuls of guys better than him on the Tour. Maybe when he starts winning majors or finishing dead last in events he'll be unique.

Oh that's right, he's unique in that no other "athletes" are doing LASIK commercials right now.

Van wrote:seeing as how he's only the single most recognized athlete in the world.

He is, Screwball, and it's not even close. He's also won 14 majors, so he long ago "started winning majors." He remains on pace to win more than anyone ever has. At the same age Jack didn't have fourteen, and Jack won his last one at age 46.

As always, your obsession with right the fuck now blinds you.

Btw, who was the prohibitive favorite to win the Masters? Sure, he ended up sucking, but going into that tournament he was the hottest player on the tour.

Screw_Michigan wrote:
Hey dumbfuck, then don't join the fucking PGA Tour, pass up the purse money and stick to bagging groceries at the local Safeway for fuck's sake. What a whiny POS you are when it comes to Tiger. "OHH! POOR ME!!! People are always all over me, asking me for photos! To sign shit! WAAAAAAHHHH!" Give me a fucking break. Tiger is not unique yet those in his same situation (in golf and other sports) seem to find the fucking grace and civility to act like a decent human being, something Tiger doesn't have the fucking GUTS or BALLS to do. Instead he takes the easy way out and acts like a BITCH.

I can see this has got you pretty upset....

What is wrong with you? Oh yeah, you're a FANBOI and refuse to face criticism of your idol. You and BSuck are decent guys but when it comes to Tiger and being Tiger apologists, you're pathetic.

his personal life is none of my business and frankly I couldn't care less about who he's boning or if he spits on little old ladies...it's got nothing to do with him as a golfer....but you've decided to make it your business, so good luck with that....

Papa Willie wrote:If you don't think it takes skill to do what they're doing, then you need to go fuck some children and then go to hell.

It also takes skill to play chess at the level Garry Kasparov plays, but that doesn't mean I'll sit down and watch him play chess.

Screw_Michigan wrote:Of course he's not unique. There are multiple handfuls of guys better than him on the Tour.

Wow, what a well-informed take you have there.

Since you're a fucking idiot, I'll help you out. Here's a complete list of players who compete full time on the PGA (US) Tour who are ranked ahead of Tiger Woods:

Bubba Watson (since monday)
Hunter Mahan
Steve Stricker

That's "multiple handfuls," for sure... TVO's handfuls.

If you want to add Euros who are US Tour part-timers, the list then grows to:

Luke Donald
Rory McIlroy
Lee Westwood
Martin Kaymer


Several more multiple handfuls, I guess.

Of course, if you want to change the parameters to the US Tour and the current rankings for the current FedEx season, he drops to a shameful #9. He's #4 in scoring average.

Of course all-time, among active players, he's #1 in wins (#3 overall, likely #2 by the time this season is over), #1 in Majors (#2 overall), #1 in FedEx Cups (#1 overall).


Nice job knowing WTF you're talking about, douche.

Felix wrote:
his personal life is none of my business and frankly I couldn't care less about who he's boning or if he spits on little old ladies...it's got nothing to do with him as a golfer....

Of course not. Having mad golf skills does not mean you have to have a good moral grounding and a solid approach to your fellow human beings. They are just the ones who pay the money to see you play and make the jack you do. Fuck them anyway.

Nice Clintonesque take there.

Van wrote:Sure, he ended up sucking, but going into that tournament he was the hottest player on the tour.

Apparently, you don't follow the PGA tour much.

Don't bother, Ken.

Van wrote:Don't bother, Ken.

Well, that's an interesting, under the radar white flag.

Ken wrote:

Van wrote:Sure, he ended up sucking, but going into that tournament he was the hottest player on the tour.

Apparently, you don't follow the PGA tour much.

I do. I even check the stats every week. The one that stood out for Tiger was that #1 in scoring average.

So, your take was accurate, except it was the exact opposite.

Dinsdale wrote:

Ken wrote:

Van wrote:Sure, he ended up sucking, but going into that tournament he was the hottest player on the tour.

Apparently, you don't follow the PGA tour much.

I do. I even check the stats every week. The one that stood out for Tiger was that #1 in scoring average.

So, your take was accurate, except it was the exact opposite.

Yes, and that sure has resulted in bucketloads of top 10's... A much better barometer. Fancy that... Using top tens to gauge. Excellent... Well done, dins.

Btw, 2nd in scoring avg.

Ken wrote:

Van wrote:Don't bother, Ken.

Well, that's an interesting, under the radar white flag.

Nothing of the sort. It's simply my way of saying I'm not in the mood for any of your pissy little hit-and-run crap today, especially when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Ken wrote:Btw, 2nd in scoring avg.

He was #1 before the new stats came out monday.

Derron wrote:Having mad golf skills does not mean you have to have a good moral grounding and a solid approach to your fellow human beings.

at long last, somebody who gets it.....if you were one of the stupid people that chose to idolize this guy then had the rug pulled out from under you.....sorry

people should know the higher you raise somebody up, the farther they have to fall....

They are just the ones who pay the money to see you play and make the jack you do. Fuck them anyway.

yeah pretty much...

if you don't like him, don't attend pro tournaments where he's playing.....don't watch him on television, send a sternly worded letter to the Golf Channel, NBC, and CBS expressing your displeasure over their coverage of earls kid, and fer keyrists sake don't buy any nike shit....

see, problem solved

Felix wrote:

Derron wrote:Having mad golf skills does not mean you have to have a good moral grounding and a solid approach to your fellow human beings.

at long last, somebody who gets it.....

Pretty disingenuous to cut off the rest of his quote, Felix.

Derron wrote:They are just the ones who pay the money to see you play and make the jack you do. Fuck them anyway.

Nice Clintonesque take there.

I'm sorry. Pretty much to be expected.

Goober McTuber wrote:

Derron wrote:Nice Clintonesque take there.

I'm sorry. Pretty much to be expected.

I didn't realize I was supposed to respond to this, given that it makes absolutely no sense.....

Felix wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

Derron wrote:Nice Clintonesque take there.

I'm sorry. Pretty much to be expected.

I didn't realize I was supposed to respond to this, given that it makes absolutely no sense.....

"Pretty much to be expected" as opposed to "Pretty disingenuous".