T1B

Martyred wrote:"Built To Spill? AWESOME!"

Sincerely, 1993

Sincerely, anyone who's never heard Swervedriver

Sincerely, I-think-jangly-overdriven-DIY-guitar-pop-is-still-fresh-in-2012

Sincerely, Suburban Flyover Rec Room

People who use DIY in actual sentences about music amuse me. Actually this whole post is like reading a Rolling Stone music review mad-lib.

BSmack wrote:
People who use DIY in actual sentences about music amuse me.

Why not?

Seems only appropriate for the white guy, "edgy" college rock you play.


Now, I'm sure you'll show me up and play Bela Bartok and Suicide back-to-back on your next show.

That'll teach me.

Martyred wrote:

BSmack wrote:
People who use DIY in actual sentences about music amuse me.

Why not?

Seems only appropriate for the white guy, "edgy" college rock you play.

Now, I'm sure you'll show me up and play Bela Bartok and Suicide back-to-back on your next show.

That'll teach me.

I might play Bela Bartok and Suicide. But it wouldn't be to show you up or teach you anything. Music is to be played and enjoyed. Period.

Martyred wrote:"Built To Spill? AWESOME!"

Sincerely, 1993

Sincerely, anyone who's never heard Swervedriver

BtS > Swervedriver. But I like Swervedriver.

I-think-jangly-overdriven-DIY-guitar-pop

rack all Wedding Present resets

You can count me in the "great" camp for BtS. Perfect From Now On is probably among the 50 or so best albums ever recorded. Top 100 at the very least...

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:You can count me in the "great" camp for BtS. Perfect From Now On is probably among the 50 or so best albums ever recorded. Top 100 at the very least...

BtS is an average to good band. To even try and mention them with even say, Neil Diamond, is a joke.

I wouldnt even put them anywhere near the Go Go's even. SEE, music is an art, everyone has an opinion, and your opinion smells like ur dirty asshole.
Where I come into this discussion is in the "educated" department, I am qualified to tell you who the greats are. AND quite frankly, BtS aint in the "greats" category. I'll be blunt about that.

bradhusker wrote:Neil Diamond is a joke.

This is one of those rare cases where disregard for proper punctuation actually makes someone look smarter...

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:

bradhusker wrote:Neil Diamond is a joke.

This is one of those rare cases where disregard for proper punctuation actually makes someone look smarter...

oh come on, cut me some slack here, so I left out one little comma, sue me.
AS for looking smarter CUfan? Ive forgotten more about the music business than you will ever dream of knowing.

Before I became a member here, you thought Elvis was just a mediocre kinda guy. Since my 13 year tenure on these boards, you now know of his ICON status around the world. Before I came in here some 13 years ago, you didnt even know which were the 5 greatest bands of all time.

they are of course, Led zepp, Pink Floyd, the Beatles, The WHO, and the Rolling stones.

If it were not for my valuable insight, you'd be a clueless HIV tard, instead of just an HIV tard.

Martyred wrote:"Built To Spill? AWESOME!"

Sincerely, 1993

Sincerely, anyone who's never heard Swervedriver

Sincerely, I-think-jangly-overdriven-DIY-guitar-pop-is-still-fresh-in-2012

Sincerely, Suburban Flyover Rec Room

You're so hipster and you don't even know it.

bradhusker wrote:AS for looking smarter CUfan? Ive forgotten more about the music business than you will ever dream of knowing.

The guy you're talking down to makes his living writing about music.

You've discovered nothing that wasn't crammed up your cockhole by VH1 and Rolling Stone.

BSmack wrote:Music is to be played and enjoyed.

absolutely.

Thanks to Mgo and his radio show I became a big BTS fan recently when I had never heard anything thing from them prior. Liked them so much I bought 2 of their CD's and listen to them often. Great fucking band.

And I like The Cranberries too... Brad if you didn't find it so necessary to be a dick about every opinion you try to shove down peoples throat, you might get taken more seriously.

But here you go, just for you:

War Wagon wrote:
Thanks to Mgo and his radio show I became a big BTS fan recently when I had never heard anything thing from them prior. Liked them so much I bought 2 of their CD's and listen to them often. Great fucking band.

I've been waiting for Dins to claim BtS is a Portland based band....I guess that's not happening....

they are a great band and Doug Martsch is one of the coolest fucking cats ever.....a really innovative and talented guitar player

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

bradhusker wrote:AS for looking smarter CUfan? Ive forgotten more about the music business than you will ever dream of knowing.

The guy you're talking down to makes his living writing about music.

You've discovered nothing that wasn't crammed up your cockhole by VH1 and Rolling Stone.

So MgoBlue, answer me this, How can a guy who makes his living writing about music, not have a clue about how great an artist the late Elvis Presley was? I cant wait for your response.

War Wagon wrote:

BSmack wrote:Music is to be played and enjoyed.

absolutely.

Thanks to Mgo and his radio show I became a big BTS fan recently when I had never heard anything thing from them prior. Liked them so much I bought 2 of their CD's and listen to them often. Great fucking band.

And I like The Cranberries too... Brad if you didn't find it so necessary to be a dick about every opinion you try to shove down peoples throat, you might get taken more seriously.

But here you go, just for you:

Thanks for that, that song is a work of art, a bona-fide masterwork, her voice is haunting, bewitching, sexy, and if you have a pulse, how can you not want to take her and have her by that crucifix ASAP?

Sorry about being a dick, I need to work on that, its my damm insecurities I suppose.

bradhusker wrote:So MgoBlue, answer me this, How can a guy who makes his living writing about music, not have a clue about how great an artist the late Elvis Presley was? I cant wait for your response.

I'm sure Mike is aware of and respects Elvis's iconic status. Doesn't mean he has to enjoy his music. I respect the hell out of a lot of legends that I don't spend any time listening to.

I actually like the Cranberries but "Zombie" needs to be taken out back and shot in the head. Nails on a chalk board.

Felix wrote: I've been waiting for Dins to claim BtS is a Portland based band....I guess that's not happening....

Why would I do that?

They play here a fuckload, though -- always packing out one of the second-tier halls Like the Wonder or the Melody.

What about the Crystal, yo?

Screw_Michigan wrote:What about the Crystal, yo?

I'm pretty sure they've also played the Mecca of Indie Bands in the not too distant past.

Which come to think of it, the Trampoline (that's the Crystal) was the last place I saw a show. They took over the old bathhouse next door, and have a hotel there now.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

bradhusker wrote:So MgoBlue, answer me this, How can a guy who makes his living writing about music, not have a clue about how great an artist the late Elvis Presley was? I cant wait for your response.

I'm sure Mike is aware of and respects Elvis's iconic status. Doesn't mean he has to enjoy his music. I respect the hell out of a lot of legends that I don't spend any time listening to.

Well said MgoBlue, I am not a Prince fan, BUT, I respect the hell out of him. I was referring to some left wing liberal music business types who say Elvis was a no talent hack who stole from blacks. I HOPE that Mike doesnt fall into that category, cause if he does, he needs professional help.

AND, let me say why I feel that way. Elvis, along with Ella Fitzgerald and Frank Sinatra, are artists of the highest order. ANYONE who remotely knows anything substantive about music, will completely and wholeheartedly understand this fact.

IF Mike does not understand this, I will happily debate him, and in the process, he will become educated. That I can promise.

Okay.

I grudgingly respect anyone who makes a shitload of money performing other people's songs, be they Justin Bieber or Elvis. However, I have a lot more respect artistically for people who write and perform their own songs, be they Lady Gaga, the Beatles, Slayer or the local country act playing at a bar down the street from me.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:I grudgingly respect anyone who makes a shitload of money performing other people's songs

I wanna start a Belle and Sebastian cover band.

Fuck off you man-titted pile of shit.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:I grudgingly respect anyone who makes a shitload of money performing other people's songs, be they Justin Bieber or Elvis. However, I have a lot more respect artistically for people who write and perform their own songs, be they Lady Gaga, the Beatles, Slayer or the local country act playing at a bar down the street from me.

OK, mike, what I find stunning is that a person who makes a living in the music business, such as yourself, can be so CLUELESS.

You obviously dont understand that the lyrics of a song, is only ONE part of the creative process.

Example, Otis Blackwell wrote the lyrics to "Dont be Cruel", then he made a recording of it. IT SUCKED ASS. Suddenly, an artist named Elvis Presley takes those same lyrics into the studio, AND ITS REVELATORY!!!! Full of punk attitude, sexual inuendo in his phrasing, his soul on full display for the world to hear and enjoy.

Big Joe Turner wrote the lyrics to "Shake Rattle and Roll", then, Big Joe recorded his own lyrics. THE RESULT? very very pedestrian, very ordinary.

An Artist named Elvis Presley takes those very same lyrics, and BAMM!! punk attitude by a young rebel, young Elvis does a ROCKABILLY tour de force. and you want to compare the artistry of Elvis to Justin Beiber? Are you really this dumb?

Hey Mike, Ray Charles didnt write "America the Beautiful". YET, Ray's version is the ultimate version.

Ella Fitzgerald didnt write "Love for Sale", YET, its Ella's artistry that is legendary.

Elvis recorded 5 star critically acclaimed recordings in 6 different genres of music. AND you mentioned Justin Beiber in the same breath as Elvis?
are you on dope?

Mike, therein lies my problem with guys like you. How the fuck can you make a living in a job when you fail to understand what I am trying to teach you here?

Ella Fitzgerald is the greatest (male or female) artist in music history. WHO SAID THAT? was it bradhusker? NO, guess again.

QUINCY JONES said that. Ella didnt write lyrics either. I am willing to wager that Quincy Jones has forgotten more about music than mike will ever dream of knowing.

Mike, dont embarrass yourself again by mentioning Justin beiber in the same breath as Ella, Elvis, or Frank Sinatra again.

Without the soul and genius of a Ray Charles or Elvis Presley, many many songwriters would never have been able to put their kids thru college, or even been able to feed their families.

Kris Kristofferson, one of the biggest songwriters of the 60's and 70's publically said that he was deeply moved and honored when Elvis decided to record 3 of his songs.

Bob Dylan said the same exact thing when Elvis decided to cut Dylan's classic, "tomorrow is a long time", Elvis turned those lyrics into a 6 minute folk classic.

Mike, the funny thing is this, its one thing to sell millions upon millions of records, BUT, its another thing entirely to garner massive critical acclaim for your studio work.

As far as I can tell, Elvis Presley is in a very ELITE group of artists to have recorded classic 5 star rated music in 6 different genres of music.

Once you have critical acclaim like that, its GAME OVER.

I didnt think it would be this DAMM easy to beat you to a bloody pulp in a debate, AND, I havent even broke a sweat, IN FACT, I havent even rolled up my sleeves yet.

Im salivating.

First off, just to set the record straight, I don't "make a living" writing about music. I've been paid to write about music in the past, and I might in the future, but if you added up all the money I've earned from writing about music over the past 5+ years, it would barely even put a dent in the student loans I accrued in my quest to be a music journalist.

But even if I made more money on one lousy-ass $15 concert review than brad has in his entire music writing career, it doesn't make my opinions any more or less valid than anyone else's. It just makes them more public.

I have no interest in debating you about Elvis, brad. You like him, I don't. What else is there to say? I'm just personally more impressed by someone who writes and performs their own music than by someone who uses their natural (god-given, if you will) talent to perform a song written by somebody else. That's just my opinion.

I also believe that music is not just a matter of taste and that there is such a thing as definitively good and bad music. I think that one day scientists will be able to conclusively prove that the sounds that the Beatles made with their voices and instruments are far superior to the sounds made by Nickelback or Poison. But until then, all we have are opinions. And this is coming from a guy who believes Built to Spill is better than both Neil Diamond and the Go-Gos, so obviously, you'll want to take whatever I say with a grain of salt...

Well said Mike, at the end of the day, we all have our opinions about music. It is indeed an art. You know what they say, one man's art, is another man's garbage. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, etc. etc....

Elvis was a closet fag.

Screw_Michigan wrote:Elvis was a closet fag.

If the KING was as you say, would that make you a tranny with an anus wider than the Lincoln tunnel during rush hour?

Brass TACKS? THE TRUTH? Elvis had the best pussy on earth. pussy for breakfast, pussy for lunch, pussy for mid-day snack, pussy for dinner, pussy all thru the night, and not just ordinary pussy, but PRIME PUSSY.

My take on you? Most of your adult life has been riddled with cock, and, the one time you did get to sniff a pussy other than your grandma's? It was "sloppy pussy".

So quit casting dispertions on a GOD. When your life is miserable to the core.

Sudden Sam wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:Elvis was a closet fag.

And Graceland is the tackiest pile of shit on earth.

There are hovels in Armenia that look better.

Ive actually been to Graceland. The interior of the house is a "time capsule", left that way on purpose to be true to the times. Its a rather charming house if you ask me. The grounds, all 18 acres are stunning. Immaculate greenery everywhere you look.

NOW, that being said, the property is surrounded by the ghetto. I hear that the powers that be, are in the process of driving out the cockroaches who squat all arounnd the area. Giving them bus passes to Houston, where they can join their Katrina brethren, and collect free checks from Obama from now till judgement day.

Then, the plans will call for attractions and hotels with an Elvis theme, creating a mini-Disneyesque environment, where fans can come from all over the world to enjoy an icon for the ages.

Once you get rid of the riff-raff and their filthy neighborhood, the entire area will be transformed into a utopia of "ELVIS LAND". Restaurants and shops and attractions for all ages!!!

bradhusker wrote:THE TRUTH?

Come out from behind the troll m2.

bradhusker wrote:The interior of the house is a "time capsule"

elvis ran a concession stand? I knew he was a greedy bastard but selling merch to his visitors is off the hook

Felix wrote:

bradhusker wrote:The interior of the house is a "time capsule"

elvis ran a concession stand? I knew he was a greedy bastard but selling merch to his visitors is off the hook

Quote from Felix, "I knew he(Elvis) was a greedy bastard", end quote. Felix, are you an idiot?

ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE who knows a thing about the KING, knows that he was probably the most generous human being to ever walk the planet earth.

Elvis showered his friends and family with expensive jewelry and furs, he would lavish them with gifts at all times during the year. AND, his phianthropy is LEGENDARY. Giving to cancer centers, children's hospitals, many worthy causes including Jerry's kids(muscular dystrophy), etc......

There are many famous incidents of Elvis giving a stranger a brand-new cadillac!!! His giving of cadillacs is legendary.

You think this kind of behaviour is indicitive of a greedy bastard? WHAT would that make you felix? I'd be willing to bet that you've NEVER given anybody a brand new cadillac. IN FACT, I'll bet everything ive got, that you would have a hard time giving your OWN son, a hotwheels cadillac for $1.98. BUWAHAHA. Come on felix, cant you pony up a couple bucks for your own flesh and blood?

Your behaviour is indicitive of the detective in "Les Miserables", the greedy police detective who hunted a poor man over the course of 30 years for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving family.

Elvis would have given the man a lifetime free pass to KFC.

Come on Felix, you need to be a more giving human being, and learn from generous souls such as Elvis Presley and bradhusker!!!!

It will enrich your soul my brother from another mother.

bradhusker wrote:more unfunny ramblings

this troll has definitely jumped the shark.....

Felix wrote:

bradhusker wrote:more unfunny ramblings

this troll has definitely jumped the shark.....

Hold on there sparky, YOU have the nerve to call the KING greedy, when his giving was LEGENDARY!
The KING would give people a brand-new cadillac!!! YOU Felix, you wouldnt even give your own son a hot wheels cadillac for $1.98.

Kinda puts things into big time perspective, dont it.

BSmack wrote:I'm here to say Built to Spill is fucking great. Come to chat some Saturday night and we'll do a Zep/Floyd/BtS comparison.

Led Zeppelin...

Pink Floyd...

Built to Spill?!



Answer: Which of these does not and will never belong.

Anyway, Bri, yeah, that's a comparison that just needs to be made. When you're done with that one, maybe you could scare up a nice Surf Nada vs The Beatles shootout.

Van wrote:

BSmack wrote:I'm here to say Built to Spill is fucking great. Come to chat some Saturday night and we'll do a Zep/Floyd/BtS comparison.

Led Zeppelin...

Pink Floyd...

Built to Spill?!



Answer: Which of these does not and will never belong.

Anyway, Bri, yeah, that's a comparison that just needs to be made. When you're done with that one, maybe you could scare up a nice Surf Nada vs The Beatles shootout.

Im in LOCK STEP agreement with Van on this one!!!! Did a poster in this forum actually put Built to Spill next to Led Zep and Pink Floyd?

Where I come from? That would be considered pure BLASPHEMY! You would be laughed out of the halls of academia and be branded a pariah for life.

Van,
Have you even heard Built to Spill? Anyone who likes Zeppelin and/or Floyd (and hasn't convinced themselves that great music stopped being made 30+ years ago) might actually find a lot to like in BtS. I don't think BSmack was placing them on the same iconic pedestal as LZ or PF, but you could certainly trace their roots/influences back to those bands. It's far less ludicrous than comparing BtS to tripe like the Go-Gos and Neil Diamond.

Rule of thumb: whenever you accidentally find yourself in agreement with brad, it's time to reevaluate your position...

Van wrote:Led Zeppelin...

Pink Floyd...

Built to Spill?!



Answer: Which of these does not and will never belong.

Anyway, Bri, yeah, that's a comparison that just needs to be made. When you're done with that one, maybe you could scare up a nice Surf Nada vs The Beatles shootout.

Listen to Live At Pompeii sometime and tell me there isn't Pink Floyd all over BtS. Listen to some of the improvisational material Zep does during their 30+ minute long live instances of Dazed and Confused and tell me that some of that doesn't translate to what BtS is doing. Like Mike just said, I'm not saying they are as massive or as iconic as Floyd or Zep. But they are worthy successors to the legacy of Zep, Floyd, Cream, The Velvets....