Another Climate Change Crackpot Goes Down

[bradhusker]

wacko scientists

so despite all of their study on the matter, you know better than scientists?

NO, of course not, HOWEVER, it seems to me that a certain contingent of scientists are crossing the line between what is scientific fact, and what is scientific theory.

FOR instance, scientists will tell you that the earth goes thru global warming and global cooling, meaning that we have been thru some six ice ages, and, when we come out of those ice ages, the earth goes thru warming periods.
SO, this begs the question? why all the alarmist thinking and fear mongoring from al gore and his ilk?

IF scientists freely admit that we are in a global warming period, then whats the difference from the past six global warmings coming out of ice ages?

It seems to any educated person out there, if the earth is simply going thru its cycles YET AGAIN, why all the fear mongoring from AL GORE? and the thousands of left wing scientists bought and paid for?

From my vantage point, and I like to think of my vantage as a really educated one, we are "Dust in the wind" and cannot do a damm thing to stop the course of our planet and its cycles.

ANYONE who thinks that we humans can do a damm thing to alter ANYTHING this planet and its sun and solar system chooses to do, OR not to do, is severely demented.

The dinosaurs were a lot bigger and more sophisticated then us, and yet they became destroyed by mother nature. You guys saw Jurassic park, didnt you? The raptors were way more sophisticated than us, way way more, and look what happened to them?
BY THE WAY, the musical score for Jurassic park? by the great John williams? great great majestic score!!

[Felix]

You mean like the increased solar activity of the 90's?

you really don't understand climatology do you?

[bradhusker]

You mean like the increased solar activity of the 90's?

you really don't understand climatology do you?

climatology, scientology, just ask L ron hubbard, its all the same.

[Bizzarofelice]

wacko scientists

so despite all of their study on the matter, you know better than scientists?

NO, of course not, HOWEVER, it seems to me that a certain contingent of scientists are crossing the line between what is scientific fact, and what is scientific theory.

FOR instance, scientists will tell you that the earth goes thru global warming and global cooling, meaning that we have been thru some six ice ages, and, when we come out of those ice ages, the earth goes thru warming periods.
SO, this begs the question? why all the alarmist thinking and fear mongoring from al gore and his ilk?

IF scientists freely admit that we are in a global warming period, then whats the difference from the past six global warmings coming out of ice ages?

It seems to any educated person out there, if the earth is simply going thru its cycles YET AGAIN, why all the fear mongoring from AL GORE? and the thousands of left wing scientists bought and paid for?

From my vantage point, and I like to think of my vantage as a really educated one, we are "Dust in the wind" and cannot do a damm thing to stop the course of our planet and its cycles.

ANYONE who thinks that we humans can do a damm thing to alter ANYTHING this planet and its sun and solar system chooses to do, OR not to do, is severely demented.

The dinosaurs were a lot bigger and more sophisticated then us, and yet they became destroyed by mother nature. You guys saw Jurassic park, didnt you? The raptors were way more sophisticated than us, way way more, and look what happened to them?
BY THE WAY, the musical score for Jurassic park? by the great John williams? great great majestic score!!

so that's a no...

[Dinsdale]

You mean like the increased solar activity of the 90's?

you really don't understand climatology do you?

Oh, dear.

We really do have a true Warmist in the house -- you cite increased solar activity as an explaination of things that are at odds with your cult (much more accurate definition that any sort of scientific belief). And you even cite it based on very little info.

But when it's at odds with your religion, you retort with insults...

absolute textbook Warmist tactic.

We don't know for certain what the sun was doing in the last ice age, or any prior ice ages. But we do know there has been increased solar activity over the last century.

Matter of fact, some aeronomists believe solar magnetism is at a 1000 year high.

And I'll let you in on a little secret that us Heretics.... errr "Deniers" (whatevr derogotory term you're assigning to people who follow the scientific process these days, rather that "grant-science, reverse-theory science" -- the heat in our atmosphere comes from one place, and one place only -- the sun.

Nice job countering your own insult, though. Quite the YHKYOA moment for you.

You've now lumped yourself in with such scientific stalwarts as... LTS.

Nice job.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

The dinosaurs were a lot bigger and more sophisticated then us, and yet they became destroyed by mother nature.

wow

[Felix]

you cite increased solar activity as an explaination of things that are at odds with your cult (much more accurate definition that any sort of scientific belief). And you even cite it based on very little info.

what "cult" is that?

every climate scientist acknowledges the earth is warming, that's not even a debatable point....the debate centers on whether man is influencing that warming....I've provided the research as to why I think the way I do, but when I've repeatedly asked you for similar research (as to why you think the way you do) you've tried to tap dance your way around it, cited Lindzen's idiotic ramblings and strawman arguments (but no peer reviewed research he's produced that supports his tripe)....is there any documented and peer reviewed scientific studies you can point me at which support your "beliefs"

Nice job.

thanks

[mvscal]

Matter of fact, some aeronomists believe solar magnetism is at a 1000 year high.

And by some "bizarre fluke" that just happened to coincide with the Medieval Warm Period. Quick, let's pretend like the MWP never happened.

~la, la, la...Can't hear you...la, la, la~

[Bizzarofelice]

The dinosaurs were a lot bigger and more sophisticated then us, and yet they became destroyed by mother nature.

wow

I don't recall typing this.

[Goober McTuber]

The dinosaurs were a lot bigger and more sophisticated then us, and yet they became destroyed by mother nature.

wow

I don't recall typing this.

Alcohol abuse is a bitch.

[Bizzarofelice]

I don't recall typing this.

Alcohol abuse is a bitch.

That's not it. I think Martyred is just being short tempered.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

The dinosaurs were a lot bigger and more sophisticated then us, and yet they became destroyed by mother nature.

wow

I don't recall typing this.

You see? tardhusker's retard vortex is altering the very fabric of space and time.
You can hardly blame me.

[bradhusker]

I don't recall typing this.[/quote]

You see? tardhusker's retard vortex is altering the very fabric of space and time.
You can hardly blame me.[/quote]

ASK any scientist about the Raptors, and they will tell you that human beings would be no match for them, they were so intelligent and fast, that if you tried to shoot them with a gun? they would swoop up behind you, snatch the gun out of your hands in a milli-second, and rip your jugular out in less than half a second.

NOW, who here thinks that humans are a match for raptors?

[mvscal]

NOW, who here thinks that humans are a match for raptors?

[bradhusker]

NOW, who here thinks that humans are a match for raptors?

Dude, seriously? those are school kids from the 1950's, we didnt have the knowledge about Raptors that we now have today,

Dude? A human being can hunt a Lion or a tiger or a bear, no problem. BUT, I promise you, that if raptors roamed the earth today, and you tried to organize a hunting expedition with the best sharp shooters and hunters in the world. I PROMISE YOU, that you and your co-horts would NOT come back alive.

UNDERSTAND???

I dont care if you took Navy SEALS with you into the jungle to hunt them, You would go into the jungle, the military would go into the jungle, and, the raptors would be in the jungle................

"Farewell and adu to you fair spanish ladies......Farewell and adu to you ladies of Spain"................

What? you think I'm crazy? I'll have you know that I am an extremely sharp individual. ALL im saying is that for you to think That any human being has a chance against a raptor? You clearly dont have all your marbles sir.

Simply put, you wouldnt be the hunter, you'd be the HUNTED. (scary music playing)..............

[Felix]

BUT, I promise you, that if raptors roamed the earth today, and you tried to organize a hunting expedition with the best sharp shooters and hunters in the world. I PROMISE YOU, that you and your co-horts would NOT come back alive.

he speaks from authority, he's seen Jurassic Park like 53 times

[Dinsdale]

He is pissed that someone would have the audacity to disagree with his bullshit. This is the guy who completely misrepresented and hyperinflated the science of global warming, er, climate change. What a douche.

DO NOT QUESTION THE SCIENCE OF THE GORACLE!!!!!

the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot.

[Dinsdale]

every climate scientist acknowledges the earth is warming, that's not even a debatable point....

You start your "defense" with an outright lie?

If by "every," do you mean "every climate scientist except the one who runs the show at East Anglia"?

Sorry, bud, but even he said the temp is dropping... "HIDE THE DECLINE!!!!!"


You do remember that one, right? How about:

"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't

And I see you're still stuck in "YOU have to disprove the radical new theory." Maybeyou should forfiet the rightto use the word "science" in any discussion.

[Dinsdale]

I've provided the research as to why I think the way I do

Oh, that's right, I remember --

the more CO2 we pump into the atmosphere, the greenhouse effect is going to be amplified proportionately.

Yeah, you think the way you do because a radical unproven new theory trumps proven laws of astrophysics that we can repeat over and over in a lab.

[bradhusker]

felix? you talk about the amounts of Co2 we pump into the atmosphere? You do realize that trees LOVE THIS!!! It would be like if we pumped cum into the atmosphere, the faggotts would LOVE IT!!

POINT BEING? All we have to do as responsible humans??? Plant millions and millions of trees ALL around the world, and you'll see Co2 levels drop like your pants in downtown san Francisco on a saturday night.

LOGIC.

[Felix]

Yeah, you think the way you do because a radical unproven new theory trumps proven laws of astrophysics that we can repeat over and over in a lab.

so you're saying that long wave radiation (the sort of radiation that's reflected off the earth) isn't absorbed by CO2?

wow, you should submit this hypothesis for review by the appropriate scientific concerns, this could be Nobel quality stuff

[Bizzarofelice]

felix? you talk about the amounts of Co2 we pump into the atmosphere? You do realize that trees LOVE THIS!!!

but we're cutting all the trees down to produce Going-out-of-business sale fliers.


not enough gays to guzzle all that sweet, sweet cum. cause we chainsawed the gays and ran them through chippers.*






*Chipper Jones specifically. piece of shit pickle kisser.

[mvscal]

Yeah, you think the way you do because a radical unproven new theory trumps proven laws of astrophysics that we can repeat over and over in a lab.

so you're saying that long wave radiation (the sort of radiation that's reflected off the earth) isn't absorbed by CO2?

Only up to a point. Your contention that the more CO2 we put in the atmosphere the greater the warming effect is a childish misunderstanding of basic chemistry. Again, these charlatans prey on the well intentioned ignorance of people like you.

[Bizzarofelice]

these charlatans

by "charlatans" do you mean "people who understand science much better than you"?

[bradhusker]

whats your fantasy about wood chippers? seen fargo much?

point being, we dont have to just chop down trees, I mean, for every tree we chop down, we can easily plant ten in its place.

there is no reason in hell under god's green earth, that we as human beings dont start planting millions of trees.

this problem of Co2 emissions will be forever solved by just planting millions of gigantic trees all over the world.
why isnt someone starting this movement? Doesnt Obama know about this? at the very least, it will put thousands to work, and save the planet at the same time.

[Bizzarofelice]

for every tree we chop down, we can easily plant ten in its place.

1) is that what we do now?

2) is a mature tree the same as a sapling we just planted?

[mvscal]

for every tree we chop down, we can easily plant ten in its place.

1) is that what we do now?

Yes. Total forested acreage has remained stable for the 111 years.

[bradhusker]

for every tree we chop down, we can easily plant ten in its place.

1) is that what we do now?

2) is a mature tree the same as a sapling we just planted?

I thought we were talking trees here, but, it seems you are trying to discuss "penis size" saplings to mighty oaks?

Al Gore doesnt want us to plant millions of trees, because if we did that, his cottage industry would go bankrupt.

[Bizzarofelice]

it seems you are trying to discuss "penis size"

so... whatchagot?

[poptart]

Al Gore has completely lost it. Listen to the video on this link:

http://www.realaspen.com/article/767/Sp ... -naysayers

I hope someone put him down for a nap.

[Dinsdale]

so you're saying that long wave radiation (the sort of radiation that's reflected off the earth) isn't absorbed by CO2?

Hey, I see what you did there -- after you said something momumentally stupid and ignorant, you tried to change what you said after the fact, and turn things back on me...

ain't gonna work.

Let's deal with what you said, not what you wish you had said, shall we?

the more CO2 we pump into the atmosphere, the greenhouse effect is going to be amplified proportionately.

I said you were wrong -- and you still are.

wow, you should submit this hypothesis for review by the appropriate scientific concerns, this could be Nobel quality stuff

Uhm... it was actually established as scientific law 80 freaking years ago. Yet it qualifies as "Nobel quality stuff" to you... quite telling of your scientific "knowledge."

[mvscal]

Uhm... it was actually established as scientific law 80 freaking years ago.

80? Try 250. Lambert wrote Photometria in 1760 and Beer exanded on that work in 1854.

[Felix]

Hey, I see what you did there

you mean asking you for scientifically tested data which supports what you've been espousing?

yeah, crazy stuff I know

[indyfrisco]

Wow...a sunny 76 degrees out now. News said all time high was 104 degrees. Whatever is "changing" in the climate, I like it.

[Felix]

This is the kind of rigorous, peer reviewed, hard scientific evidence that sways the likes of Felix, Bizzy and the rest of the AGW crowd.

the paper wasn't written by a climate scientist and I'm not familiar with the peer review process on that particular piece....if you could provide me with some specifics, I'd appreciate it....

[Felix]

What kind of specifics, Felix?

who were the peers that reviewed the paper? see it couldn't be peer reviewed, because it was based (allegedly) on subjective observations....it offered no hypothesis, merely conclusions based on information he supposedly observed....

was he out to swindle the public...maybe, although any benefits would come in an ancillary form (increased funding, etc.)......to be honest, I find it difficult to believe they would put a biologist in charge of climate studies, because like I said earlier, he has no expertise in climate sciences, so either you or I are missing something here.....

You can spin this one all you want, but in the end your crowd pimped this guy's nonsense to support its position.

seriously, would you quit lumping me with the brain dead idiots that scream the sky in falling....once again, I'm not an alarmist

There are countless cases of this kind of quackery in the climate science field.

links?

There was a peer reviewed paper cited by the IPCC that was based on something someone thinks they might have once heard in a doctoral thesis, which in fact was not true.

defintely need the link for this....and where it comes from

Your consensus of scientists includes a lot of whackos that will say anything for money

they're not my "consensus"...again, I opt for what can be demonstrated through empirical evidence, not what somebody thinks, believes, or feels...that's not science

[Felix]

One of the peers who reviewed his paper was his wife, who coincidentally is also in the business of vacuuming government dollars for "research" that supports the hypothesis that government needs to regulate more human activity. Go figure.

dude, are you missing what I'm saying or just purposely being fucking stupid.....the paper in question isn't a scientific study, it's the fucking dudes opinions....there's no scientific based hypothesis, no manner in which other scientists can reproduce the results in order to test the validity....in other words....it ain't science, it's the dudes fucking opinion...if some governmental agency put him in charge of $50 million dollars because of this, then that's their problem, but it doesn't invalidate the scientific method, which was not used here....

This is the first article that discussed the issue: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 991177.ece
But there are many, many articles on the Internet that show that this portion of the IPCC report was completely based on horseshit.

see my first response....

[Felix]

I would have thought that someone such as yourself who lemmings the learned climate scientists and the IPCC would know about this stuff already.

the IPCC is full of shit....I don't put much creed in their pronouncements, edicts, suggestions, whatever.....I'm not a fan and never have been...wherein have I been "lemming" there pronouncements....now, if you want scientific articles, published in scientific journals, I'll be more than happy to provide you the studies I've read to arrive at the conclusions I've reached....look, I'm only interested in finding out why you believe the way somebody does, based on scientific evidence conducted by CLIMATE SCIENTISTS, not some fucking biologist.....

once again, I'm not interested in peoples opinions, I'm interested in what can be demonstrated scientifically

[poptart]

Al Gore has completely lost it. Listen to the video on this link:

http://www.realaspen.com/article/767/Sp ... -naysayers

He is pissed that someone would have the audacity to disagree with his bullshit. This is the guy who completely misrepresented and hyperinflated the science of global warming, er, climate change. What a douche.

Algore_the_Meltdown: Global warming skeptics are immoral - and they are this generation's racists.


hahahaha

[bradhusker]

Not only is Al Gore a sick individual, BUT, the millions of liberal followers who worship his sickness are even worse. Imagine? Blindly following whatever someone spoon feeds you?

Here is the funny part, He IGNORES what science says, just to pimp his bullshit.

Science has told us that our planet has been thru several ice ages before. Which means that we have also been thru several global warming periods, and then, back to ice age again.

SO, what does that mean? It means that Al Gore is full of shit when he tells us that driving SUV's instead of hybrids will further damage our planet. He is full of shit when he tells us that we can change the earth's cycles.

It is science that said the earth goes from ice age to warming, and then back to ice age again and again. SO, this means that the scientists who are in the GORE camp are as full of shit as GORE himself.

The left liberals in this country are an extreme danger to us all. They have zero tolerance torward any dissent or opinions of others. They have become a religion and a dangerous cult which brainwashes stupid people who cant think for themselves.

Which is why I will never support a left wing democrat for any office.