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Felix wrote:the whole idea of a two nation state is unworkable as long as Palestinians refuse to acknowledge Israels right to exist....which they won't.....if you have some other solution in mind, I'd be interested in hearing it....

It starts with a recognition of the fact that there is no such thing as a "Palestinian." In 1967, the West Bank belonged to Jordan, the Gaza Strip belonged to Egypt and the Golan Heights belonged to Syria.

Given that understanding there are two options. Israel annexes them permanently as they have the Golan or they return all or part of the WB and GS back to Jordan and Egypt.

mvscal wrote:
It starts with a recognition of the fact that there is no such thing as a "Palestinian." In 1967, the West Bank belonged to Jordan, the Gaza Strip belonged to Egypt and the Golan Heights belonged to Syria.

Given that understanding there are two options. Israel annexes them permanently as they have the Golan or they return all or part of the WB and GS back to Jordan and Egypt.

Curious to see you frame a people's right to exist as defined under the parameters of their dictators/colonial masters.


Palestine was not "as barren as the surface of the Moon" when Schlomo and his fat Brooklyn bride showed up a few years ago.

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote:

Martyred wrote:The Palestinian delegation offered everything during Oslo.
The kikes "couldn't take yes for an answer".

You're backwards, dumbfuck.

No, dumbfuck.

Read the accord. It's embarrassing how the Palestinians offered their asses up for raping to the heebs. I'm actually glad it disintegrated.

You're full of shit.....the Israelis were offering up everything but no matter what they offered it wasn't good enough.....the Palestinians won't give up until Israel is gone

Felix wrote:
You're full of shit.....the Israelis were offering up everything but no matter what they offered it wasn't good enough.....the Palestinians won't give up until Israel is gone

The Oslo Accord consisted mainly of a Palestinian offer to the Israelis...which the Israelis assessed and added conditions so ridiculous, the American delegation publicly derided as an act of "sabotage".

You haven't read the accord. Go away and come back when you at least quickly skim through it.

Martyred wrote:Curious to see you frame a people's right to exist

Who is saying they don't have a right to exist? They can exist as citizens of Jordan, Egypt or Israel. Or they can piss up a rope and get bombed into rubble every couple years.

Martyred wrote:The Oslo Accord consisted mainly of a Palestinian offer to the Israelis.

The Palestinians have nothing to offer, you brainless shitheel.

mvscal wrote:

Martyred wrote:The Oslo Accord consisted mainly of a Palestinian offer to the Israelis.

The Palestinians have nothing to offer, you brainless shitheel.

Oh...that's right...because they're stateless.

Not very libertarian of you, but I forgot I was addressing a boot-licking, statist water-boy.

Martyred wrote: The Palestinian delegation offered everything during Oslo.

/ :doh: /

Martyred wrote:The Oslo Accord consisted mainly of a Palestinian offer to the Israelis...which the Israelis assessed and added conditions so ridiculous, the American delegation publicly derided as an act of "sabotage".

You haven't read the accord. Go away and come back when you at least quickly skim through it.

which "conditions" are you referring to? the only "offer" the PLO had to make was the promise to stop palestinian terror attacks on Israel.....you do know that more Israelis were killed by terror attacks during the 5 years following the Oslo agreements than in the 15 years prior right? Two hundred seventy five men, women and children were killed in over 90 attacks by Palestinian terrorists following the signing of the Oslo Accords.....

hamas, palestinian islamic jihad and the popular front for the liberation of palestine were the groups that fucked the accords up simply because they refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist ....

Felix wrote:...they refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist ....

This hasn't been Hamas' stated position in over a decade. Try to keep up, slapnuts.

Martyred wrote:

Felix wrote:...they refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist ....

This hasn't been Hamas' stated position in over a decade. Try to keep up, slapnuts.

As usual, you're full of shit. They were quite clear in their statements that they would be willing to accept a temporary two state solution on the basis of a return to the 1967 borders, "right of return" for so-called refugees and a capital in East Jerusalem in which they would offer a 20 year cease fire in return.

Needless to say, this is a complete non-starter.

Martyred wrote:

Felix wrote:...they refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist ....

This hasn't been Hamas' stated position in over a decade. Try to keep up, slapnuts.

Finally, you got one right!....It's NEVER been their stated position..so that would include the past decade....

A love ballad for Tel Aviv:

Marty, when did you start channeling LTS?

and where did Hamas get the 900 or so missiles they've fired at Israel?

More importantly, when will they run out?

oh, and that video is sure to spark some conciliatory response.

War Wagon wrote:
and where did Hamas get the 900 or so missiles they've fired at Israel?

They're homemade...and technically they're rockets, not missiles.

War Wagon wrote: More importantly, when will they run out?

Hopefully never.

It's from MEMRI, they're an orginisation run by Jew intelligence officers. A few in English media have fact-checked their 'translations', they're utter garbage. They brought you the 'wiped off the map' quote and that Mickey Mouse kill Jews meme that circulated.

He's probably actually singing about fast cars and breaking up with his girl.

Martyred wrote:A love ballad for Tel Aviv:

Catchy tune, but the plane going down in flames is a Mig-29. I'm guessing it's a Syrian jet. In any event, the Israelis don't fly them.

Dr_Phibes wrote:It's from MEMRI, they're an orginisation run by Jew intelligence officers. A few in English media have fact-checked their 'translations', they're utter garbage. They brought you the 'wiped off the map' quote and that Mickey Mouse kill Jews meme that circulated.

He's probably actually singing about fast cars and breaking up with his girl.

Yeah, but the beats are dope.

Okay...move this to the music forum or Scott's boiler room forum...I don't give a shit.

LOOK. CAN'T WE ALL JUST DIG ON SOME FRESH ANTI-JEW CLUB JAMS AND CHILL?


Seriously...you people can be so hard to please...

:x

Martyred wrote:

War Wagon wrote:
and where did Hamas get the 900 or so missiles they've fired at Israel?

They're homemade...and technically they're rockets, not missiles.

Homemade rockets don't have the range to hit Tel Aviv from Gaza. They're Fajr-5s from Iran.

mvscal wrote:They're Fajr-5s from Iran.

Sure they are, skippy. Sure they are.

Martyred wrote: They're homemade...and technically they're rockets, not missiles.

suuure they are.

I don't have any love or hate for or against Israel. But what I see is a small country surrounded by sworn enemies intent on their destruction.

I don't blame them for taking any and all measures necessary to ensure survival.

If the missiles err... "homemade rockets" don't stop soon, don't be surprised or outraged when a full scale ground invasion happens to make them stop.

mvscal wrote:

Martyred wrote:

War Wagon wrote:
and where did Hamas get the 900 or so missiles they've fired at Israel?

They're homemade...and technically they're rockets, not missiles.

Homemade rockets don't have the range to hit Tel Aviv from Gaza. They're Fajr-5s from Iran.

I'm calling bullshit on this and the MIG-29 crap until we get Atomic Panties in here to verify it.

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote:They're Fajr-5s from Iran.

Sure they are, skippy. Sure they are.

Of course they are. Hezbollah used them in 2006. Why do you think Hamas wouldn't? The pinheads in Gaza can barely wipe their own asses. They're nothing more than ambulatory explodo-bots.

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote:They're Fajr-5s from Iran.

Sure they are, skippy. Sure they are.

That's exactly what they are Fajr-5 supplied by Iran you do know Iran is the primary arms supplier to Hamas right?

"homemade rockets" that's fuckin funny

Is that illegal in some sort of way?

mvscal wrote:
Actually, the rocket attacks fell off to nothing after Cast Lead. The evidence leads one to conclude that:

A. The Israeli blockade of Gaza is warranted.
B. It needs to be tightened.
C. Someone (gee wonder who) is supplying the Egyptian Arabs in Gaza with more advanced rockets.
D. It's time to end the farce. There is no such thing as a Palestinian.

If you're interested in a three week solution, that's brilliant.

'Killing everyone everywhere' is your fallback position, I doubt it's very practical.

Martyred wrote: They're homemade...and technically they're rockets, not missiles.

the only "homemade" rockets constructed by hamas are the Qassam rockets....the Qassam 3 has a maximum range of 20 km...it's a lot farther to Tel Aviv



http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... qassam.htm

hamas continues to bluster that it's not afraid of Israel while continuing to shoot rockets at Israel from underground launch facilities typically located in residential areas of Gaza.....the only end game of hamas is to evoke sympathy when Israel hits back with retaliatory strikes designed to eliminate the aforementioned underground launch sites.....there is no military value to any of the rockets used by hamas they have no accuracy.....

mvscal wrote: The pinheads in Gaza can barely wipe their own asses. .

To be fair about it, they do have to Ask The Imam first, depending on the type of toilet

mvscal wrote:
Of course they are. Hezbollah used them in 2006. Why do you think Hamas wouldn't? The pinheads in Gaza can barely wipe their own asses. They're nothing more than ambulatory explodo-bots.

Did you smash out this take before of after you took your daily black cock cum enema you racist pos?

Only three Israelis have died. Many more die making left turns. So what's all the fuss?

Sin

Moving Sale

Well that wasn't much of smack down. More like two old grannies going at each other with their purses or even a Goobs/Screwy slapfight.

mvscal wrote:Well that wasn't much of smack down. More like two old grannies going at each other with their purses or even a Goobs/Screwy slapfight.

Yea the Jews and Muslims need to step up their game. Fox keeps rehashing the same ol' shit over there like Karl Rove holding out on the Ohio poll results. Faux news is becoming more and more like a bum fight video....ya can't turn away from it no matter how pathetic it is. Just too much entertainment value in it. They report....we laugh.

There are those that would say that you are so used to having your news homogenized by the left leaning main stream media that when a network "allows" for a more broad representation (especially if the broader scope includes areas from which you disagree), it has a direct correlation to your disenchantment with said network....and vice versa....

The Seer wrote:There are those that would say that you are so used to having your news homogenized by the left leaning main stream media that when a network "allows" for a more broad representation (especially if the broader scope includes areas from which you disagree), it has a direct correlation to your disenchantment with said network....and vice versa....

So what you're saying is that Fox news has no lean or bias whatsoever? No homogenizing....straight from the cow's tit, eh? Fox are a bunch of straight-shooters? Wow...what color is the sky in your world?

If the only coffee you drank for a year had 5 sugars in it and then you switched to having no sugar in it - it would taste quite bitter...but it's still coffee....

Martyred wrote: Curious to see you frame a people's right to exist as defined under the parameters of their dictators/colonial masters.

Of course. These are the same assholes that deny the basic human right of self-representation to residents of the District of Columbia because of arcane laws passed in the 1700s and an arbitrary political boundary drawn at the same time.

Screw_Michigan wrote:These are the same assholes that deny the basic human right of self-representation to residents of the District of Columbia

Fuck off, moron.

So..here you are, still squirming, still seething your toxic bile, eh, Mall Cop? Your ship is sinking fast, as I'm sure your noticing. As for the fake state and their howling fears, guess what? The days of the Ashkanazi blitzkrieg are over. No more local friendly dictators--they're dead. And no more shameless neocon administrations in Washington. As for the efforts to dehumanize and denationalize the Palestinian people, this disgusting propaganda campaign is over as well. Time's just...about...up...on the demented "Zionist" agenda. Or what? You claim a there's no clear definition as to what makes an Arab a Palestinian--and yet you're entirely unable to actually define what makes someone a Jew. What, Halle Berry is not a Jew? But her Jewish mother was working the soul pole and...well? How about Halle's half-french kid? By some arbitrary and completely unscientific tradition, both Halle and her kid are actually considered "pure" Jewish and entitled to move right into a brand new condo in the West Bank. Same with Alicia Keyes and her brood. And...this is what you support more than anything ? Perhaps you should take some cool down time in Mitt's empty chair. Your sniping bigotry is all played out.

LTS TRN 2 wrote: You claim a there's no clear definition as to what makes an Arab a Palestinian--.

Correct. Please explain the ethnic, cultural, traditional and/or religious differences between Jordanian Arabs and the so-called Palestinian Arabs in specific detail if you don't mind. When you have finished that, please explain why any of your documented differences did not matter prior to 1967...also in specific detail.

We're all waiting patiently.