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Rooster wrote:I doubt you naysayer would understand that since you've lived your life in the comfortable confines of the United States and/or Canada. But I get that you enjoy pontificting on that which you have no particular expertise.

But you haven't got to go to the moon to know it isn't made of green cheese.

The ultimate aim of the operation you're involved in is material, but idealogically based. The workings of ideology are largely unconscious - ideology presents itself as 'natural'. Judaism in a political sense, argues that capitalism has existed since the Stone Age and is the only system which accords with 'human nature'.
The more you try to naturalise your beliefs, the more ideological you become.

Considering every aspect of the foreign policy has been an embarrasing, unmitigated failure and a massive waste of resources, the practical thing to do would be reassess the approach, rather than reinforce it.

Dr_Phibes wrote:
Considering every aspect of the foreign policy has been an embarrasing, unmitigated failure and a massive waste of resources, the practical thing to do would be reassess the approach, rather than reinforce it.

That's not the GOP way of doing things, Phibes.

Same location that Christianity and Judaism were founded, right?" --mvscal

Not quite. Islam's founder was born and raised in Mecca, roughly 500 years after Christianity was formed after the death of its' founder, Jesus. Mecca is located in what is now known as Saudi Arabia, hence the significance of both that city and modern nation to Muslims worldwide. Muhhamad moved to Medina late in life due to threats on his life from people opposed to the religion he created. It was on a magic carpet ride to Jerusalem during the sketching out of his new religion that the importance of that city became significant.

So while in gross US or Russian geographical terms Christianity, Judiasm, and Islam could perhaps be considered to be from the same locale, in Middle Eastern terms, no, they are very different in nearly every respect. However, I know that you know all this and are just fishing with dynamite.

Dr. Phibes, I would have to consider what you've said before I commented on it, but as to the birth location of Islam versus the place of origin of Judiasm and eventually Christianity, the very harshness of the religion is reflected in the harshness of the area where it took root. Resources are scare and punishments for those who operate outside a strict set of social boundaries are severe. This in turn is seen in Sharia, where justice, such as it may be, is meted out swiftly and violently. Burnings, cuttings, stonings, dismemberment, and scarring are prevalent forms of punishments for crimes, which by Western standards, are small and insignificant, if not understandable. If a man steals a loaf of bread to feed his family and is caught, he loses his right hand. Adulteresses are stoned upon the say-so of a solitary man.

Such is life in even modern times because the force of culture, based on deprivation is so steeped into the mindset of an Arab. To them our opulance and cavalier attitude towards material goods and their consumption condemns us as infidels (a term derived from ther British rifle, the Enfield) and sinners worthy of destruction because they see themselves as having so little.

All of this morphs into a societal structure that is male-centric and designed to place the strongest and most ruthless in charge. Democracy is a foreign concept to Middle Easterners and largely Islamicists except to the political end of legitimizing their hold on power. What is most amazing about all this is the constant and shockingly naive thinking in the West that a balance can be struck, an accord with Islamicists, wherein we all live peacably with each other, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Rooster wrote:Such is life in even modern times because the force of culture, based on deprivation is so steeped into the mindset of an Arab. To them our opulance and cavalier attitude towards material goods and their consumption condemns us as infidels (a term derived from ther British rifle, the Enfield) and sinners worthy of destruction because they see themselves as having so little.

This is stunningly ignorant. First off, nobody and I do mean nobody does over the top opulence like wealthy Arabs. This is a pre-Islamic trait going back at least as far as the Queen of Sheba and continues today. Evidently you haven't been to Dubai lately.

Second, Arabs do not condemn us as infidels. They condemn us as kafir. Infidel is the translation and it has nothing to do with Enfield rifles or our opulent lifestyle but rather our status as unbelievers. The word infidel is derived from Middle English infidele by way of French and Latin from the roots in + fidelis meaning not faithful.

See fidelity or the Marine Corps motto for that matter: Semper Fidelis. I don't know who fed you this bullshit, but you need to find them and punch them in the face for making you look like a total idiot.

Props to you, mvscal. I wiki'd the word infidel and you are correct. I had heard it was taken from the Brit's rifles, Enfields, and bastardized into (phonetically) een-fee-del. I learned something today.

As for rich Arabs, sure, there are a select number who are unbelievably wealthy, but that doesn't describe the vast, vast majority of Arabs who are impoverished. As to their perception that we are unmitgatedly corrupted, this comes from conversations from an Afghan terp who I've gotten to know and had lengthy conversations with concerning the whole war in A-stan. Granted, his views were anecdotal at best-- and didn't necessarily reflect his own --but were purported to reflect the greater attitude of Muslims in general.

Keeping your own unwashed and dispossesed focused on foreign devils is the oldest trick in the book to keep the ruling elites from dangling at the end of ropes. Religion makes it easier but it isn't necessary and hardly unique to Islam.

Of course Islam like Christianity has many different gradations. Unfortunately, the most radical fundamentalists are in ascendency today. They're like Pentacostals on bath salts and the only scrip for their attitude is swift and violent death.

You should stick to flying office furniture back and forth between U.S. air bases and jamming it up the American taxpayer's asshole.

Analysis isn't your forte.

mvscal wrote:Keeping your own unwashed and dispossesed focused on foreign devils is the oldest trick in the book to keep the ruling elites from dangling at the end of ropes.

Oh, sweet irony.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

Dr_Phibes wrote:
Considering every aspect of the foreign policy has been an embarrasing, unmitigated failure and a massive waste of resources, the practical thing to do would be reassess the approach, rather than reinforce it.

That's not the GOP way of doing things, Phibes.

and it's all Bush's fault, right?

But Marty, the American taxpayer doesn't like having office furniture jammed up their assholes. As a Canuck, are you sure you aren't projecting a day bed fetish on me, 'cause, you know, I'm more of a chaise lounge kind of guy.

And then there is that whole analysis word choice. Seems to me you're well in Meth Gazer territory, Cheesehead.

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote:Keeping your own unwashed and dispossesed focused on foreign devils is the oldest trick in the book to keep the ruling elites from dangling at the end of ropes.

Oh, sweet irony.

nothing wrong with most politicians that can't be cured with a noose and a lamp post

Rooster wrote:Same location that Christianity and Judaism were founded, right?" --mvscal

Not quite. Islam's founder was born and raised in Mecca, roughly 500 years after Christianity was formed after the death of its' founder, Jesus. Mecca is located in what is now known as Saudi Arabia, hence the significance of both that city and modern nation to Muslims worldwide. Muhhamad moved to Medina late in life due to threats on his life from people opposed to the religion he created. It was on a magic carpet ride to Jerusalem during the sketching out of his new religion that the importance of that city became significant.

So while in gross US or Russian geographical terms Christianity, Judiasm, and Islam could perhaps be considered to be from the same locale, in Middle Eastern terms, no, they are very different in nearly every respect. However, I know that you know all this and are just fishing with dynamite.

Your take is misguided and misleading. Christianity was established as an actual religion (as opposed to a growing cult) at the second council of Ephesus in 449ade. The founder of the Christer cult, Saul of Tarsus, never set foot in Jerusalem. It was a Roman cult, period. The figure of Jesus was a mythical one and never actually existed, and similarly the accounts of the gospels never actually occurred.

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/artic ... istory.htm

As for Islam and the hodge podge of poetry presented by Mohammed, it's just more twisted and filtered Judaism. Same exact Old Testament rules and laws. That both of these dreadful religions should still suck at the teat of Judaism indicates just how utterly fucked up they really are.

Cuda wrote:
nothing wrong with most politicians that can't be cured with a noose and a lamp post

Damn it, Cuda! Is everything "noose and a lamp post" with you!?!?








...because there's also "Tokarev to the back of the head + irrigation ditch".

~sniff~...good times...

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote:Keeping your own unwashed and dispossesed focused on foreign devils is the oldest trick in the book to keep the ruling elites from dangling at the end of ropes.

Oh, sweet irony.

There is no irony. It's a fundamental law of rulership that applies in most every culture in every period of history. Ours (and yours) is no exception.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:The figure of Jesus was a mythical one and never actually existed, and similarly the accounts of the gospels never actually occurred.

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/artic ... istory.htm

I'm not reading all that.

mvscal wrote: They're like Pentacostals on bath salts and the only scrip for their attitude is swift and violent death.

Killing everyone, everywhere, all the time is an interesting approach but Christ - expand the portfolio.

Who said anything about killing everyone? Take a powder, nancy.

Too much Victor Davis Hanson, more Percival Wavell for you.

Wavell was a highly underrated captain who was largely dicked over by by circumstances beyond his control but I'm not seeing the relevance here.

He was pragmatic and wore a bearskin hat, not a skullcap. Hysterical neurosis lends itself better to the cast of 'Pawnstars', not efficient empire.

LTS, the Apostle Paul, formerly known as Saul of Tarsus, distinctly made two trips to Jerusalem. Also, it can be argued that he was the founder (if you exclude Jesus in the sense that Christianity was an offshoot or sect of Judiasm) of what eventually became a separate and distinct religion apart from Judiasm.

Felchco has a mad-on for Saul/Paul because of that letter he wrote to the Romans telling the men to quit buttfucking each other.

Carson wrote:Felchco has a mad-on for Saul/Paul because of that letter he wrote to the Romans telling the men to quit buttfucking each other.