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Left Seater wrote:

Tin Foil LTS wrote:The fact that the extremely difficult 320-degree loop was executed

Funny you are going to the 9/11 Commission Report when you don't believe a word of it anyway. But you have yet again kicked your own ass with your linked quote. They don't say a thing about a loop.

9/11 Commission Report wrote:as Flight 77 was 5 miles (8.0 km) west-southwest of the Pentagon, it made a 330-degree turn

LTS the Short Bus Rider wrote:Are you going to quibble about the difference between a "loop" and a "turn"?

A turn is not a loop you idiot. A loop is performed completely in the vertical plane, not the horizontal plane. Again basic info that even a 3rd grader knows. Your lack of elementary knowledge would be funny, but it is becoming very clear that you rode a short bus to school. I refuse to make fun of special needs people.

LTS expert on everything ever wrote:Your claims of how easy it is to fly a 757 are ludicrous at best.

Exactly how many hours do you have sitting in any cockpit in your log book? Hell, do you even have any flight sim time? Thought so!

Okay, as expected, you're hunkering behind the parsing of "loop" and "turn." Fine, point taken, but the difficulty of the 320-degree turn and subsequent dive and tree-level guidance by a man who had never sat in a 757 or knew anything about its very complicated control system remains a glaring hole in your denialism.

And as for flight and sim time, the question isn't about me, but the alleged pilot. And he had ZERO time in the air or with a simulator. So...what are you trying to say again? You're never really clear. That flying a 757 is actually very easy? Well, that's not what commercial pilots say who move up from the 737 class. On the contrary, the more computerized 757 and 767s are described as much more difficult to get used to. The air controllers who witnessed the 320-degree maneuver are on record as being very surprised at the precision of the aircraft's movement--and that they thought it a military plane. And this is all beside the other glaring fact that the big 320-degree turn was completely unnecessary for an attack on the pentagon. "flight 175" could have easily just dove right down on it--with much greater damage. Any notion as to why a totally inexperienced pilot would execute an extremely advanced maneuver unnecessarily?

Sorry, willers, but simple sophomoric silliness--with nothing behind or underneath it--just doesn't mean jack shit.

What...are you ready to defend any part of the official 9/11 Commission report? Obviously, L-seater has shit the bed and can't get beyond niggling on parsings. So...what have you got? Any idea, for example, how a man who has never flown a plane, and certainly never a 757, could execute an expert maneuver on his very first try? And how about the abrupt removal and destruction of the vast evidence of ground zero? What, some more of your witty nothing?


WHICH ONE OF YOU CAN DEFEND ANY PART OF THE OFFICIAL 9/11 REPORT?


Is there no one else?

Tin Foil Liar LTS wrote: Any idea, for example, how a man who has never flown a plane, and certainly never a 757, could execute an expert maneuver on his very first try?

Why do you continue to lie? Your lies are likely approaching 20 on just this topic alone. Everyone else is dealing in facts, while you continue to lie and hope you won't be called on it.

NYTimes article from 6/19/2002 wrote:He wasn't very committed,'' said a former flight instructor who worked with him. ''It took him almost a good three or four years to finish whatever he was doing.''

Inside the cockpit, the former instructor said, Mr. Hanjour was unsure of himself, particularly during mandatory stalling exercises, in which an engine is turned off so that a pilot can practice righting the plane and restoring power. The instructor said he had reassured Mr. Hanjour that ''we're not going to fall out of the sky as long as we have wings.''

Yet, through accumulation of flying hours, Mr. Hanjour built his competency. By the spring of 1999, seeking a commercial license, he was training on simulators at another school and ''doing pretty well,'' the former instructor said. On April 15, 1999, he earned a ''satisfactory'' rating by an examiner from the Federal Aviation Administration and was awarded a commercial license with a multiengine rating.

Go do yourself a favor and see just what is involved in obtaining a commercial certificate with a multi engine rating. Then come back and post your findings for all to see.

The largely accepted story of 9/11 is that 19 muslim terrorists hijacked four planes that day.
Two planes were flown into the WTC, bringing down both towers -- and causing building 7 to also fall as a result of massive fire.
One was flown into the Pentagon.
One was crashed into a field in Pennsylvania as a result of passenger uprising.

3,000+ people innocent Americans died.


If this is not the accurate story, what I'd like to hear from Moving Sale and/or LTS is what they believe did happen.

And perhaps a short summary as to why they are persuaded to believe what they do about that day.

poptart wrote:
And perhaps a short summary as to why they are persuaded to believe what they do about that day.

Have you not read the last 8,000 posts that LTards has put up ??

LTS TRN 2 wrote:

jiminphilly wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote: Of course the buildings were wired for the controlled demolition we all witnessed. Do you deny the three buildings fell in perfect controlled demolition fashion?

What's so funny, Jim? Are you suggesting the three towers did not fall in a controlled demolition fashion? What, are you blind as well?

I don't have to suggest anything. You've yet to provide a cogent argument to would make me even give your theories a second thought.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:
It is doubtful that the best trained fighter pilots could have executed the maneuver that supposedly crashed a 757 into the Pentagon. It required making a tight 320-degree turn while descending seven thousand feet, then leveling out so as to fly low enough over the highway just west of the Pentagon to knock down lamp posts. After crossing the highway the pilot had to take the plane to within inches of the ground so as to crash into the Pentagon at the first-floor level and at such a shallow angle that an engine penetrated three rings of the building, while managing to avoid touching the lawn. And he had to do all of this while flying over 400 mph. Quite a feat for a flight school flunky who had never sat in the cockpit of a jet! [/b]

Yeah, you are probably right. There are no highly trained fighter pilots capable of that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_8rAgOeVxc

Nor are the wide bodies capable of that low altitude / high speed flight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZHqWJDu3eA

Well, will you look at that. In the second clip at the 1:18 mark is a 757 with the engines not making full power even (based on the whine.)

Some even had flaps deployed, yet didn't crash like LTS said would happen.

Obligatory Top Gun Quotes

Maverick: Tower, this is Ghost Rider requesting a flyby.

Air Boss Johnson: Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.

later

Air Boss Johnson: Two of your snot-nose jockeys did a fly-by on my tower at over 400 KNOTS! I want somebody's butt, I want it now, I've HAD IT!

storming out, he bumps into a Yeoman and spills coffee all over his pants

Air Boss Johnson: DAMN! That's TWICE! I WANT SOME BUTTS!

poptart wrote:If this is not the accurate story, what I'd like to hear from Moving Sale and/or LTS is what they believe did happen.

And perhaps a short summary as to why they are persuaded to believe what they do about that day.

No response from either of you retards?



Well, here's the current U.S. Sec of State admitting that Building 7
was brought down on 9/11 by controlled demolition.





Interesting then that the building was pre-wired for demolition --
at least according to what Kerry says here.

A quick break from LTSTard & Moving Fail's circular non-logic....

Whenever I try to watch a youtube video (like the ones above) I'll get the ad, and I'll click on the "skip ad" button when that pops up. At that point it freezes, and my computer loses all internet connectivity. This has happened several times in the last week. Anyone have any suggestions on what might be happening?

Diego in Seattle wrote:Anyone have any suggestions on what might be happening?

It sounds like when you hit the "skip ad," it's freezing and you're losing connectivity.

Glad I could help.


I'd suggest first thing, make sure Adobe Flash Player is updated, along with the Windows stuff. If that doesn't solve it, then I'll make a joke about restoring it to a previous date.

poptart wrote:

at least according to what Kerry says here.

As if that assclown has ever known what the fuck he's talking about...

Dinsdale wrote:

Diego in Seattle wrote:Anyone have any suggestions on what might be happening?

It sounds like when you hit the "skip ad," it's freezing and you're losing connectivity.

Glad I could help.


I'd suggest first thing, make sure Adobe Flash Player is updated,

That was it. Thanks, Dins!

mvscal wrote:As if that assclown has ever known what the fuck he's talking about...

True.

That does have to be taken into account.

Diego in Seattle wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:

Diego in Seattle wrote:Anyone have any suggestions on what might be happening?

It sounds like when you hit the "skip ad," it's freezing and you're losing connectivity.

Glad I could help.


I'd suggest first thing, make sure Adobe Flash Player is updated,

That was it. Thanks, Dins!

I would have guessed it was a virus you picked up at one of your child pornography sites.

Left Seater wrote:How many could keep a secret of that nature? Probably no more than 10 or so. People in those positions are way to selfish not to use that info for personal gain at some point.

If you could read you would know how many people would be necessary to pull of this inside job. Again, not everyone would know everything but they would know their part and when it all went down they would know they were part of an attack. To pull this off there would likely have to be 20 or so on the inside that knew everything.

You post this with a straight face and you have the neve to call someone else crazy?
So thousands and thousands of spooks, but get ten of them in a room and !poof! there is a leak... In less than 14 years.
If you are this fat and stupid this late in life I doubt I can turn you around but would it help if I cited a few conspiracies that had more than 10 people and last more than 14 years? Or is that going to be a waste of my time?

Moving Sale wrote:

Left Seater wrote:How many could keep a secret of that nature? Probably no more than 10 or so. People in those positions are way to selfish not to use that info for personal gain at some point.

If you could read you would know how many people would be necessary to pull of this inside job. Again, not everyone would know everything but they would know their part and when it all went down they would know they were part of an attack. To pull this off there would likely have to be 20 or so on the inside that knew everything.

You post this with a straight face and you have the neve to call someone else crazy?
So thousands and thousands of spooks, but get ten of them in a room and !poof! there is a leak... In less than 14 years.
If you are this fat and stupid this late in life I doubt I can turn you around but would it help if I cited a few conspiracies that had more than 10 people and last more than 14 years? Or is that going to be a waste of my time?

Oh, I get it now. All of the people involved were spooks! :doh:

So the planning for this went on for years then. Long before Bush was in office. It would take years and years to get the spooks trained to be ATC, certified dispatchers, Police, Fire, and appointed to Boards of Directors of companies etc. Yeah, your idiocy knows no bounds.

Left Seater wrote: Oh, I get it now. All of the people involved were spooks! :doh:

Who else would they be tard?

So the planning for this went on for years then.

I never said that. Voices in your head much?

It would take years and years to get the spooks trained to be ATC, certified dispatchers, Police, Fire, and appointed to Boards of Directors of companies etc.

AGAIN who do you think these spooks are? And why would they need a BOD or any fire and police dispatchers?

And by ignoring my offer to post about conspiracies with more than 10 people can I assume that you have conceded that point?

Moving Sale wrote:

Left Seater wrote:So the planning for this went on for years then.

I never said that.

We know dumbass. The point is if spooks were involved, then the planning timeline would have to be years and years. As I said before you don't just become an FAA certified flight dispatcher at a major airline working cross country heavies overnight. The unions would see to that. Same for Air Traffic Control. You don't just show up and start working the cab or TRACON in Boston or NYC. To that end the planning for this would have had to start under the Clinton administration. Bush was only in office for 8 months when 9/11 went down.

Moving Sale wrote:And why would they need a BOD or any fire and police dispatchers?

Reading comp clearly isn't something you have a working knowledge of. I never said fire or police dispatchers. I was speaking of airline flight dispatchers. The BoD at many of these companies would have to be involved to cover up the evidence of the govt attack. Again, private companies like Flight Aware would have the radar tracks of both the commercial flights leaving the origin airports and the military planes and drones leaving their bases. This is real time data that would be looked at as soon as the first plane hit the WTC. The BoD would have to have been involved to help cover up and destroy said evidence.

Moving Sale wrote:And by ignoring my offer to post about conspiracies with more than 10 people can I assume that you have conceded that point?

Please go ahead and post these PROVEN beyond a doubt conspiracy theories that were in fact true. When you do so you will just further prove my point about multiple people and the actual truth coming forward.

Left Seater wrote: The point is if spooks were involved, then the planning timeline would have to be years and years.

Why?

As I said before you don't just become an FAA certified flight dispatcher at a major airline working cross country heavies overnight.

Why would you need one? Your loopy theory doesn't have one. Why would the Gov need one?

To that end the planning for this would have had to start under the Clinton administration.

Why? Most of the Bushies had $. Why bring in Bubba?

The BoD at many of these companies would have to be involved to cover up the evidence of the govt attack.

Why? If 19 Arabs can do it without them why would the gov need them?

Please go ahead and post these PROVEN beyond a doubt conspiracy theories that were in fact true. When you do so you will just further prove my point about multiple people and the actual truth coming forward.

Get your vapid mind around the simple concept of how a conspiracy works and then we will move on to big boy stuff.

Moving Sale wrote:

Left Seater wrote: The point is if spooks were involved, then the planning timeline would have to be years and years.

Why?

Logic isn't strong with you. Again, you don't just become an ATC working the cab or TRACON in NYC or Boston without years on the job.

Moving Sale wrote:

Left Seater wrote: As I said before you don't just become an FAA certified flight dispatcher at a major airline working cross country heavies overnight.

Why would you need one? Your loopy theory doesn't have one. Why would the Gov need one?

You clearly can't read either. On page two of this thread I lay it out. The dispatcher working these flights would immediately know that they deviated off of the filed flight plan. They would have tracked them in real time and they would know exactly when and where the planes went instead of the WTC or Pentagon.

Moving Sale wrote:

Left Seater wrote: To that end the planning for this would have had to start under the Clinton administration.

Why? Most of the Bushies had $. Why bring in Bubba?

Bubba would have to be involved or completely and totally incompetent to not notice the huge numbers of spooks involved in deep cover assignments on US soil.

Moving Sale wrote:

Left Seater wrote: The BoD at many of these companies would have to be involved to cover up the evidence of the govt attack.

Why? If 19 Arabs can do it without them why would the gov need them?

Are you really this stupid? Good thing for your clients you just have to follow the DWI defense play book that other attorneys wrote.

Pay attention. If the Americanand United jets didn't hit WTC/Pentagon then Flight Aware and other commercial flight tracking companies would know exactly where those planes went or if they were destroyed in the air. They would also know exactly where the drones were launched from. The BoD would then have to be involved in hiding, destroying, covering up these actual flight paths.

If however, the planes were actually flown into the WTC/Pentagon, then there is nothing to hide or destroy and no BoD involvement is necessary.

Moving Sale wrote:

Left Seater wrote: Please go ahead and post these PROVEN beyond a doubt conspiracy theories that were in fact true. When you do so you will just further prove my point about multiple people and the actual truth coming forward.

Get your vapid mind around the simple concept of how a conspiracy works and then we will move on to big boy stuff.

Nice white flag. Not even one example.

Diego in Seattle wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:

Diego in Seattle wrote:Anyone have any suggestions on what might be happening?

It sounds like when you hit the "skip ad," it's freezing and you're losing connectivity.

Glad I could help.


I'd suggest first thing, make sure Adobe Flash Player is updated,

That was it. Thanks, Dins!

You of all perverts/wannabe molesters shouldn't have a useable computer. Yeah thanks Dins.

One more time LS, if the whole thing went down without the need to have government intervention why would it take so many people? Couldn't it be done the same way with the same 19 hijackers plus a few spooks adding $ and logistics?

You really are slow.

No it couldn't be done the same way because the cover up would have to be the largest spy operation ever.

Why? If 19 Muslims can do it why can't 19 Muslims and 9 spooks do it?

Did you even read the above posts?

So 9 spooks completely wired the WTC comples with explosives and coordinated the complete recovery of any debris that would prove it was cut while also preventing every volunteer fire fighter who worked the pile from ever speaking about what they really saw.

These same 9 spooks also flew the drones that flew into the WTC buildings, destroyed, the real flights somewhere, covered up all the ATC and corporation data in real time at nearly 30 Seperate sights.

That's an even bigger stretch than anything your buddy LTS has put forward so far.

Yes I can read but you, it seems, can not. Why do the buildings need to be wired? You said planes took them down. Why is that not still possible if Bush was in on it? Science is science right? Why is the science different if Bush knew? How dumb are you?

I didn't realize you were admitting the stupidity of LTS' arguement and took that off the table.

So if the planes were actually flown into the buildings as we believe, why would spooks even need to be involved? If it went down as we believe it did, sure spooks and the President could have known. But if they were, the alleged stupidest President ever, pulled the biggest con job of all time. If he and spooks were involved, the truth will come out, prolly leaked by someone looking to win a political race at some point.

Good to see you have come around to the absurdity of LTS' claim.

Glad you were able to admit Bush could (and likely would) have been able to pull this off. So what evidence shows he didn't?

Guess you are going to have to start calling him one of the smartest Presidents ever then sice he could pull this off.

Just like in court you have to prove he was involved, not the other way around.

He was only smart enough to fool rubes like you.

As far as court, I've had clients arrested on less evidience.

Moving Sale wrote:He was only smart enough to fool rubes like you.

As far as court, I've had clients arrested on less evidience.

Sad how you talk out of both sides of your ass. In court you claim a lack of evidence for your clients and then start screaming that Bush attacked our Country without a single shred of evidence.

Typical of you and your trial lawyer buddies though.

Typical of a right wing fucktard to lie. There is plenty of admissible evidence that this was an inside job. YOU just don't give it any weight and that is certainly your prerogative, but there is no need to lie.

Dude that was funny.

Sin-
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Ok, LTS jr, just what evidence points to Bush's involvement?

We have been thru this many times and you have been very dismissive of the facts, but I will try one more time with one piece of evidence and if you seem to have more than three brain cell working we can go from there. In the case of the patriots player accused of murder the DA will, in all likelyhood, use the fact that he destroyed (or tried to destroy) the cc recordings at his house as EVIDIENCE of consciousness of guilt. Now there could be a simple reason for it. He could just be trying to cover up that fact that he and mvskkkal were getting ass fucked by black guys the night before, but the destruction of the recordings is still evidence. Likewise with 9-11, the spooks took all the recordings of what happened at the pentagon. That is evidience of consciousness of guilt. I know YOU don't want to look at it that way but thems the facts.

What a reach. The government didn't release video footage of the event, so clearly Bush is involved.

No wonder you stick to defending DWI losers.

Left Seater wrote:What a reach. The government didn't release video footage of the event, so clearly Bush is involved.

No wonder you stick to defending DWI losers.

Lean to read. Took them. They took them from people who owned it and now only the spooks can watch it. You making me scared to fly. The three dumbest people on this board (u, duhron and the tranny) are all pilots.
WTF is up with that?

So do you think the fact that Arron Hernandez destroyed cc tapes is evidience? Or are you really too stupid to know the spooks took peoples cc tapes?

Moving Sale wrote:

Left Seater wrote:What a reach. The government didn't release video footage of the event, so clearly Bush is involved.

No wonder you stick to defending DWI losers.

Lean to read. Took them. They took them from people who owned it and now only the spooks can watch it. You making me scared to fly. The three dumbest people on this board (u, duhron and the tranny) are all pilots.
WTF is up with that?

So do you think the fact that Arron Hernandez destroyed cc tapes is evidience? Or are you really too stupid to know the spooks took peoples cc tapes?

Midget versus tranny smack ??? New low has been reached...