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Moving Sale wrote:You mean I was right and you were wrong? Fair enough.

Sure. One of my greatest concerns about the fucked up state of our Fed...errr national government is that agencies such as the IRS, EPA and BLM arrogate to themselves authority which is not granted to them by Congressional statute.

That, our wildly abusive paramilitary police power and untrammeled intelligence gathering constitute an existential crisis for our form of government and very way of life. This has absolutely nothing to do with the race of the shithead currently fouling the office.

Wakey, wakey

mvsidiot is worried that the police will learn about the dungeon that his wife had built into their home so that she can properly "massage" him.

Like they really care about shit like that.

mvscal wrote:
Of course you don't. She plead the 5th which, in and of itself, is compelling evidence that there were some..."shenanigans" which were, to the mind of her legal counsel, outside the scope of the law.

Wrong. It is evidence of nothing.

Moving Sale wrote:

mvscal wrote:
Of course you don't. She plead the 5th which, in and of itself, is compelling evidence that there were some..."shenanigans" which were, to the mind of her legal counsel, outside the scope of the law.

Wrong. It is evidence of nothing.

Who do you think is dumb enough to buy that line of bullshit?

Diego? JSC?

It's the jury instruction for every criminal trial in the history of America. I don't care if you believe it you or not you infinitesimal speak of human poo.

mvscal wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:

mvscal wrote:
Of course you don't. She plead the 5th which, in and of itself, is compelling evidence that there were some..."shenanigans" which were, to the mind of her legal counsel, outside the scope of the law.

Wrong. It is evidence of nothing.

Who do you think is dumb enough to buy that line of bullshit?

Diego? JSC?

Tell us, oh wise potato peeler....how would a judge instruct a jury regarding a witness's invoking of the 5th Amendment be?

See if you can fit in an answer before your next beating by your wife.

1) Did Loser Lerner plead the 5th? She chose to put herself on record with a number of statements prior to saying she was taking the 5th, didn't she?

2) Her refusal to answer questions does not mean she is guilty of a crime. It does allow for people to naturally wonder and speculate in their own mind as to why she would feel the need to do that.


She is the head of the IRS.
Her refusal to testify is not something any taxpaying citizen should feel is an acceptable turn of events.

Because Issa is a stupid Tard (like you) he doesn't even know the rules for trying to compel testimony in the House so no she didn't "take the fifth" and no it is not suspicious for someone to tell Issa The Gassbag to go fuck himself. Do you have any other questions Mr. Low information bitcher?

Moving Bowel wrote:no it is not suspicious for someone to tell Issa The Gassbag to go fuck himself.

I don't agree.
I think it's very suspicious for the head of the IRS to refuse to answer questions.

It's unacceptable, imo.

And you could not care less that millions of $ have been lost over the last 11 administrations but you are all up in arms that more $ wasn't wasted by giving fast track tax exemptions to right wing gas bags who were legally barred from 501c4 status. Good lord.

Good grief.

I'm the guy who's calling out corruption, dim bulb.

You're the guy pretzeling and weaseling to try to rationalize it away.

You are the one asking for more illegal tax exempt status thus wasting more of my $. Fucking commie.

Rack Moving Sale for delivering the truth. Too bad Issa is such a giant piece of shit. Really hurts his cause.

88 wrote:Again, setting politics and partisanship aside... Do you think it is good for the heads of executive branch agencies to refuse to answer questions during hearings before Congress regarding official actions taken and policies implemented by the agency?

A couple of the knuckleheads here have already said they do.

Because they don't like Issa, they think it's fine, or even good, that the IRS head did not answer questions.

Diego in Seattle wrote:...how would a judge instruct a jury regarding a witness's invoking of the 5th Amendment be?

Who gives a fuck? As a juror, I make my own determinations. The judge can stick his instructions up his ass. Innocent people don't plead the 5th. Period. EOS.

88 wrote:Again, setting politics and partisanship aside... Do you think it is good for the heads of executive branch agencies to refuse to answer questions during hearings before Congress regarding official actions taken and policies implemented by the agency?

Yes. There are many things that should not be told to the American people. Troop movements, information from ongoing Criminal cases and on and on. Is this one of those cases? Probably not. (And yes I know she was not invoking executive privilege) That is why there are rules in place to compel testimony in the House. Issa is too stupid to know and or use those rules so he is boned in a legal sense.

Remember she made a lengthy statement on 5-22-13. She told us her position. Is that as good as answers from direct or cross examination? Of course not, but again that is why there are rules in place to compel testimony.

Now a question for you. Do you want a house chair to completely ignore (or I believe in Issa's case not even know) the actual law* at the center of the hearing he has called? Ok two questions. Should a national government official have to put up with such asshatery?

*and we are not talking about the Patriot Act here. The law is a couple of sentences long and not written in legalese.



As for moveon.org, they should never have been given 501c4 status and they owe me some of my tax $ back.

mvscal wrote:

Diego in Seattle wrote:...how would a judge instruct a jury regarding a witness's invoking of the 5th Amendment be?

Who gives a fuck? As a juror, I make my own determinations. The judge can stick his instructions up his ass. Innocent people don't plead the 5th. Period. EOS.

Because you are a commie fascist anti-American pig.

I'm referring to 501c4. I know of no law compelling Issa to read a few word long law before he opens his dumbhole.

It's not part of her job to do his job for him. If he wanted an answer he should have read the house rules.

Moving Sale wrote:

mvscal wrote:

Diego in Seattle wrote:...how would a judge instruct a jury regarding a witness's invoking of the 5th Amendment be?

Who gives a fuck? As a juror, I make my own determinations. The judge can stick his instructions up his ass. Innocent people don't plead the 5th. Period. EOS.

Because you are a commie fascist anti-American pig.

Nice white flag, you cum drunk faggot.

It's not a white flag. Americans believe in the 5th am and it's underlying principle and anti American commie fucks like you don't.

Please tell us your name, your address and the facts of your last crime.

Moving Sale wrote:...the 5th am and it's underlying principle

The underlying principle of the 5th amendment is that one may not be forced to testify against oneself as the defendant in a criminal trial. Period. Full Stop.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Like most everything else in the Constitution, the 5th has been bent and twisted by black robed buttfucks into something it was never meant to be.

Your position is that if people invoke the 5th they are guilty is it not?

I can understand that a criminal defendant might not want to take the stand and testify. I wouldn't necessarily take that to be evidence of his guilt.

Make up your fucking mind asshole.

Lerner wasn't a defendant in a criminal trial.

Nobody said she was. I said she could have been compelled to testify if Issa only knew the rules of his own fucking committee hat you said was...

As a juror, I make my own determinations. The judge can stick his instructions up his ass. Innocent people don't plead the 5th. Period. EOS.

^^ Only an anti American asslicker like yourself would say such a thing.