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Agreed, but the principle still applies. Anybody can create this kind of art on the ground with no skyward observer directing traffic. Strings and sticks are all that are needed. The rest is up to your imagination.

Moving Sale wrote:Hills huh? Gee why didn't anybody else think of that?

Who says they didn't? You are simply an idiot. People travel there to look at the lines from the hills all the time. It's already been demonstrated that they can be created from the ground using primitive materials and techniques.

Aliens?



What a dumbfuck.

You can't see them all from the ground you dolt. If you could see them all from the ground there would be no mystery you black cock fucking semen cup.

J,
Nobody has ever made the monkey. What makes you think the string example works on art more complicated than the bird. And how big was the bird compared to the real one?

The only mystery is why they drew them and what they mean. Anyone who thinks that aliens had anything to do with it is a certifiable moron.

Moving Sale wrote:You can't see them all from the ground you dolt. If you could see them all from the ground there would be no mystery you black cock fucking semen cup.

J,
Nobody has ever made the monkey. What makes you think the string example works on art more complicated than the bird. And how big was the bird compared to the real one?

Just because nobody has, doesn't mean the glyph can't be replicated. The drawing itself has complexity, but is also very basic and simple. It's just circles, curves and lines. Nothing I haven't seen people mowing corn field mazes and pictures accomplish.



This right here is more complex that any of the Nazca lines are. Mvscal is absolutely right, this can be done from a hill top, or it can be done with no eye on high, just skill and imagination.

I don't feel the Nazca lines were anything more than "gateways" or simply paths to areas of worship or ceremony. The symbols may have also served as special enclosures for this purpose as well. Some suggest the lines have astronomical significance, making it an observatory perhaps.

Bottom line is that the lines are fascinating, but not alien.

As usual, babs is talking out of his ass. in fact, only a very few of the Nazca lines can be seen from the nearby hills. Most are completely unviewable except from high above.

As for ancient people possessing unexplained "intelligence'," how do you suppose those Greeks, circa, 2nd century bce, designed and machined this..


As for the Egyptian great pyramids, these are constructed with dimensions that weren't known--the base circumference being in precise ratio to the earth's diameter--but in fact its slightly wider at the equator diameter that was only discovered when we went to space.

And there's a lot more. The Hopewell Road in Ohio was built in some ancient time by unknown people. It is plumb straight, sixty miles long, and 200 ft wide. And this for a people who hadn't discovered the wheel?

The idea of dismissing the possibility of extra terrestrials is typically stupid and generally a Christer crawl space for cowardly comfort. Babs fits in nicely there.

LTS TRN 2 wrote: As for ancient people possessing unexplained "intelligence'," how do you suppose those Greeks, circa, 2nd century bce, designed and machined this..

What, exactly, is the mystery? It is a magnificent piece of engineering and craftsmanship but it isn't particularly accurate. It does; however, conform to the theoretical understanding of Hellenic astronomy circa 150-200 BC.

As for the Egyptian great pyramids, these are constructed with dimensions that weren't known--the base circumference being in precise ratio to the earth's diameter--

Wrong. It's close but off. An example of people searching for meaning that isn't there.

And there's a lot more. The Hopewell Road in Ohio was built in some ancient time by unknown people. It is plumb straight, sixty miles long, and 200 ft wide. And this for a people who hadn't discovered the wheel?

If they're unknown, how do you know they hadn't discovered the wheel or anything else about them?

We do know for a fact that a number of Meso-American cultures exhibited a very high degree of mathematical and engineering skill.

The mystery of the Greek "computer" is who designed it and how it was machined. There's nothing else even close from that era. They had no such precision engineering to produce such a device.

As for the pyramids, you're attempting to dismiss not only the one ratio phenomenon that I pointed out, but a whole lot more that you're not even aware of. You're like some Ayn Rand type who demands a practical reason for everything. She claimed the pyramids were tombs.

As for the Hopewell Road, well the fact of its size, precision, and absolutely no conceivable practical use suggests something beyond the tribe's design or function. It leads of course to the huge Serpent Mound which can only be seen and appreciated from the air.

And the Nazca Lines, as pointed out, were certainly not designed for hilltop viewing at all. Have you really looked at them? Use Google Earth and see the vast amount that aren't in the standard pics.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:The mystery of the Greek "computer" is who designed it and how it was machined. There's nothing else even close from that era. They had no such precision engineering to produce such a device.

So...aliens?



Idiot. Of course that's merely a slightly different type of the magical thinking you deride in "Christers." That's the same bewildered ignorance that greases your skids into the uncritical acceptance of other fantasies such as anthropogenic climate change and every other woo-woo conspiracy theory that comes down the pike.

As for the pyramids, you're attempting to dismiss not only the one ratio phenomenon that I pointed out,

There is no ratio. It doesn't match the circumference of the Earth. Unless precise means something different to you...or what?

As for the Hopewell Road, well the fact of its size, precision, and absolutely no conceivable practical use suggests something beyond the tribe's design or function.

That is a wild ass exaggeration coupled with your own pitifully limited imagination. Who says the use has to be practical? Ceremonial? Religious?

Oh, wait...no, aliens must have popped by to build a couple miles of road in the middle nowhere. Makes sense.

And the Nazca Lines, as pointed out, were certainly not designed for hilltop viewing at all.

Says who?

You're like a bratty child. And one with an attention problem

Look, first, because neither the Greeks--nor anyone else at that time--had the technology to produce the mysterious device, this implies--not concludes--that someone helped them. Or what? No one knows who and no one is asserting that aliens intervened, but an open mind is a properly functioning one. Do you have any possible answer for how they--whoever it was, we really don't know anything more than its shipwreck origin--designed or machined this device?

As for the pyramids--it's the base circumference of the Cheops pyramid which matches the ratio of the earth's diameter==at the equator, not from pole to pole. okay? And yes, it's precise, and no, we didn't even know the earth had a slight widening at the equator until we measured it from space. Okay?

As for the Hopewell road, it's not "a couple miles", but sixty miles--plumb straight. A ceremonial purpose? Really?

And let's be clear, no one is insisting that aliens were involved, only that the mysterious elements of these examples defy a practical explanation. you, however, are insisting--with no evidence whatsoever--that no aliens were involved. This is a standard Christer dogmatic position of ignorance and astonishing intellectual cowardice.

And it's the same with Climate Change. Plenty of evidence is provided for the facts, as well as plenty of evidence of the "expert" skeptics being straight up paid shills. And yet you dig in deeper, curl up tighter, and snarl like a petulant little punk. Standard Tea Party (i.e. Nazi) behavior.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:You're like a bratty child. And one with an attention problem

Look, first, because neither the Greeks--nor anyone else at that time--had the technology to produce the mysterious device, this implies--not concludes--that someone helped them. Or what?

I'll take what for $400 Alex.

Why LTS? Why did some great power or alien force "help them". We know little about these ancient societies, but we do know they accomplished some amazing things. But the human mind and spirit are capable of some amazing things. While they managed some remarkable engineering feats, it's a pretty safe bet they never split the atom. More has been lost to antiquity that may likely ever be learned or relearned. Because the Greeks somehow constructed a "computer" it by no means implies divine intervention from the sky. Just divine human intellect.

No one knows who and no one is asserting that aliens intervened, but an open mind is a properly functioning one. Do you have any possible answer for how they--whoever it was, we really don't know anything more than its shipwreck origin--designed or machined this device?

What? You've been tooting the alien horn since the beginning, don't back away now Nicky. An open mind is open to all possibilities, but what you seem to be incapable of imagining is more earth-bound, realistic explanations. Ones you and I don't have access to true, but never deny what we as a species can accomplish without the help of gray skinned, bug-eyed midgets with glowing fingers wanting to probe our poopers. I know that's your bag, but keep it to yourself.

And let's be clear, no one is insisting that aliens were involved, only that the mysterious elements of these examples defy a practical explanation. you, however, are insisting--with no evidence whatsoever--that no aliens were involved. This is a standard Christer dogmatic position of ignorance and astonishing intellectual cowardice.

Yes Nick, I know you are not insisting alien involvement. But this mystery, these mysteries, are very much human ones. There is no direct evidence of aliens in any of this. Is it possible? Well, as much as any paranormal event is "possible". Just unlikely to the extreme. This is not dogma, Christ or any other religious claptrap. It's rationality.

The cowardice comes from closing yourself off from what you choose not to believe, in favor of ripping yarns and pulp science fiction.

Try to embrace some logic for a change.

And wake up.

You use broad generalities to float some passive explanation...

" But the human mind and spirit are capable of some amazing things. While they managed some remarkable engineering feats,"

But in fact the Greek "computer" was built with technology that we did not possess until the 16th century. I never said it was aliens who helped design and build it. But it's pretty damn mysterious, and no simplistic paean to human spirit and ingenuity offers any sort of explanation. Do you have anything actually tangible as far as how it was made? No one else does. Nobody. It is a total mystery, period.

Same for the Hopewell R, and this...
http://www.exploratorium.edu/chaco/HTML/canyon.html

Absolute boggling mysteries. as to my Responsible Agnosticism approach, of courser it's logical. Just like WTC 7 falling in perfect controlled demolition suggests very logically that an inside job occurred.

J,
I don't think anyone has been able to replicate the more intricate lines with a string and a stick and you can't just direct the show from a hill. There are no hills where you can see some of the lines from. How did they get there? I don't know I'm just not sure why visitors is so far down your list. We have aircraft landing on far flung hunks of Rock. Why is it so hard to believe other life exists that could do the same?

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Look, first, because neither the Greeks--nor anyone else at that time--had the technology to produce the mysterious device...

I hate to burst your bubble but incontrovertible physical evidence to the contrary is staring you right in the fucking face. You might want to revise your timeline.

we really don't know anything more than its shipwreck origin--designed or machined this device?

Well we know a little bit more than that but gaps in the historical record are the rule rather the exception. We can't even begin to guess at what knowledge has been lost in time. This could have been the work of one inspired genius or very small group of technicians. Anything could have happened. They very well might have gone down in that ship. Their records could have been destroyed in so many different ways it would make your head spin.

As for the pyramids--it's the base circumference of the Cheops pyramid which matches the ratio of the earth's diameter==at the equator, not from pole to pole. okay? And yes, it's precise,

It doesn't match any ratio of the earth's diameter precisely. It's close but you seem to have a rather wobbly conception of the definition of 'precise.'

So because it exists, it proves that they had the technology to design and machine it? That's what you call logic? You're kidding, right? Look, if they could have built that, there would have been other devices, or descriptions of such devices. There would be a record of that technological development. But...nothing. It's a complete anomaly which is utterly baffling. At least to actual scientists. Not sputtering seething racist Nazi asshole Tea Party types like yourself, however.

As for the great pyramid--and the obvious massive mystery of its design and function, here's a few facts to consider..
http://www.disclose.tv/forum/amazing-fa ... 17192.html

A couple of you need to read this book:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:So because it exists, it proves that they had the technology to design and machine it?

:doh:

The stupidity radiates in waves off of this gem of imbecility. Yes, Felchie, that's precisely what it proves.

Look, if they could have built that, there would have been other devices, or descriptions of such devices. There would be a record of that technological development.

We know for a fact that they could have built that because they did build it. There very well might have been other devices, descriptions and records. The workshop could be awaiting discovery along with the library where those records were stored. Unfortunately, it is far more likely that those records were lost or destroyed centuries ago. That is the nature of history. We have only fragments of classical history.

But...nothing. It's a complete anomaly which is utterly baffling.

So what? History is littered with such anomalies. There was a handful of well to do Vikings running around with high carbon steel swords of incredible purity. Aliens? Or was it simply a closely guarded secret which died with the few master smiths who understood how to make it?

As for the great pyramid--and the obvious massive mystery of its design and function, here's a few facts to consider..

There is no denying the mystery or the wonder. It is one of the most remarkable feats of mathematics, engineering, astronomy and construction in human history.

Moving Sale wrote:J,
I don't think anyone has been able to replicate the more intricate lines with a string and a stick and you can't just direct the show from a hill. There are no hills where you can see some of the lines from. How did they get there? I don't know I'm just not sure why visitors is so far down your list. We have aircraft landing on far flung hunks of Rock. Why is it so hard to believe other life exists that could do the same?

Visitors are so far down on my list because there is no direct evidence of their existence or that they have ever been here. It's not that I don't want to believe in their existence, I just haven't seen anything to verify aliens having ever been here. So I like to stick with what is probable, or at least realistic and possible.

I don't see why you were so quick on your end to shut down the balloon idea. As mentioned, I think that it was very unlikely, but out of the question...no. Also, you can do some pretty impressive work with just strings or ropes and stakes. Any crop circle shows off this form of artwork.

There are hills all around the area where the Nazca lines are formed. Why couldn't a team not have relayed instructions from those locations to where the lines are and how to shape them? MS, you have to adopt a position of what is the most logical reason for ancient mysteries, before beginning to speculate on the supernatural or extraterrestrial. Now then, as mvscal has noted, a great deal of these mysteries will likely never be solved, as time has erased most of the origins from history.

Imagine what information was contained in the Library of Alexandria. Due to its destruction, we lost one of the ancient worlds largest and most significant stores of information in history. We know ancient cultures prospered and had amazing resources, some which would probably astound us today. By contrast, look at our culture and technology. No aliens helped us get to where we are today, so why did it have to happen back then?

It's all good and well to be reasonably skeptical, but let's not be like James Inhofe...

In point, crop circles are not made by some guys with a lot of time on their hands and some "ropes and stakes." In fact they are burned into a permanent shape--slightly burned so as not to damage the crop. Also they appear in one night--every time. Further, no one has ever been caught--despite a couple of guys who claimed they were doing it several years ago. And most of all, as we examine them, we notice the intricacy and detail is mind-boggling

Here's one, partially explained by an annotator..



And there are hundreds of others far more complex and loaded with information.

Who makes them? Who fucking knows? But they're not simply graffiti .

And your "balloon" idea for the Nazca Lines is just silly.

LTS, do you not know how those circles are formed? It takes a lot of planning, but it isn't anything complicated. Once you know the area, dimensions and design, the rest is just ropes for outlines, some flattening tool, line of sight calculations, etc. "Supernatural" touches are added by creating swirls or nests by weaving stalks. Melt some iron filings into droplets for traces of "meteorite particles". Stick the stalks together with this for "magnetization".

Patterns can be varied by changing the direction you flatten the corn, by making wavy lines that go up and down each line, which creates "shine" in the patterns. It's all just cheap magicians illusions.

Yeah, it's a shit ton of ton of work but it can be done in a night, even the complicated patterns.

And you call yourself a troll? This is as half-baked an effort as we've seen since fakeseater rolled out his "evaporating 757" theory in explaining how "flight 77" was just swallowed in the small hole without breaking windows.

Why do you suggest that you know anything about crop circles, let alone how they're made? Your statements so far are absurdly childish and inane.

First, there are no "flattening tools" or ropes used. Are you kidding? The shapes are burned into place--and the tool or whatever remains a total mystery. Second, the notion that a group of people could create one of these in one night--in the dark--is ridiculous. Third, the complexity and intricacy of the shapes is far beyond some art students or graphic designers with time on their hands.

Fourth, the information contained in these is extremely interesting, for example..

This one was not a circle, but a replication of a message that NASA had sent out in a probe many years before.


Fifth, no one has ever been caught or claimed credit for making them.

And what is your fallback position? Some simple nonsense about "ropes and stakes"?

Bad troll! No treat..

From an article in "Live Science", published January 13th, 2013-

While there are countless theories, the only known, proven cause of crop circles is humans. Their origin remained a mystery until September 1991, when two men confessed that they had created the patterns for decades as a prank to make people think UFOs had landed (they had been inspired by the 1966 Tully UFO report). They never claimed to have made all the circles — many were copycat pranks done by others — but their hoax launched the crop circle phenomena.

Most crop circle researchers admit that the vast majority of crop circles are created by hoaxers.



All of these examples contain elements in my earlier description.

You really think aliens are causing these very human designs?

This is an art form, like sculpting or weaving, just with a different and very large medium.

There are plenty of sources available to show just how it's done.

Give it up LTS Tard, just like your arguments, you're a joke.

I noted the fellows who claimed some responsibility. However, these guys remain mysterious--have never been investigated as far as their claims. And moreover, they offered no explanation as to how they supposedly did it.

You state "There are plenty of sources available to show just how it's done."

Really? So...why don't you provide some?

You seem clueless as to how the crops are slightly burned and bent into a permanent--but not damaging--manner to create the sharp lines and designs. In fact, all you're doing is reaching for the easiest and simplest beg-off, and then trying to insist that you've refuted something.

Same with 9/11 and Bin Laden.

Bad troll! No treat.

Okay dum dum, here you go. According to BLT Research

We have heard many reports over the years about possibly "burned" plants in crop formations. However, in every case where these plants have been sent to BLT for examination our consulting analytical chemist has shown (through FT-IR and EDS) that the blackening was actually caused by Ustilago, an opportunistic fungus which feeds on the internal plant stem moisture which is exposed to air when the stems are crushed or broken
http://www.bltresearch.com/labreports/mission1.php

Now then, they also report non-fungal based burns of course, but again, this is easily faked.

Ask yourself one simple question LTS. Why would aliens go to all that trouble. People would because people love attention. Like you. It is utterly preposterous to attribute this activity to alien intention and design, when all of these designs are decidedly human looking. In addition, microwaves and lasers are now being used to form these circles, thus contributing to such things as burning, heat and magnetism.


Here is a group making a simple circle with just people stomping the wheat.

Andres Amador, a San Francisco artist at work carving a circle.

Do you still insist on humiliating yourself LTS CLOWN?

Moving Sale wrote:Was there ever a post June 2000 arrest warrant issued in the US for OBL?

NO, but the Pentagon issued one after 911. Signed,sealed , and delivered. Besides, the FBI is a domestic entity and defers any action outside of the borders to the CIA. What a smeg smudge.

Link?

Fungus? C'mon

You're the one humiliating yourself.

As to why, well, consider the information often contained in these shapes.

Consider this..
http://cropcirclewisdom.com/crop-circle-diaries.html

Obviously sand drawings are not in the discussion. And as for the pic of the folks standing in the field, there's nothing whatever to suggest that these people had anything to do with the design in the crop.

Moreover, you squirm away from acknowledging that these huge and intricate designs couldn't be created in one night. And yet in each case they have been.

Jerkovich wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:Was there ever a post June 2000 arrest warrant issued in the US for OBL?

NO, but the Pentagon issued one after 911. Signed,sealed , and delivered. Besides, the FBI is a domestic entity and defers any action outside of the borders to the CIA. What a smeg smudge.

Quite the opposite, Jerk. In fact, not only was no warrant ever issued, but the pentagon actually deleted all of Bin Laden's records after his death. There all now permanently sealed--like the videos of whatever actually hit the pentagon on 9/11.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-CIA.html

LTS TRN 2 wrote:

Jerkovich wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:Was there ever a post June 2000 arrest warrant issued in the US for OBL?

NO, but the Pentagon issued one after 911. Signed,sealed , and delivered. Besides, the FBI is a domestic entity and defers any action outside of the borders to the CIA. What a smeg smudge.

Quite the opposite, Jerk. In fact, not only was no warrant ever issued, but the pentagon actually deleted all of Bin Laden's records after his death. There all now permanently sealed--like the videos of whatever actually hit the pentagon on 9/11.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-CIA.html

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Go smoke another blunt hippy.

Oh, touche! Such wit. Such solid unrepentant retreat. Let us know when you've got something that isn't total bullshit. :wink:

LTS TRN 2 wrote: Let us know when you've got something that isn't total bullshit. :wink:

You know......stuff like alien crop circles.

So..you're suggesting that this is..some bullshit? When it appears overnight in some farmer's field? No doubt some bullshit prank by (extremely capable) libtards with too much time on their hands--and some anti-corporate bent?



Do you understand--or can you muster the eye to see--why the mainstream media wouldn't report this?

But it happened. It's real. And the crops were subsequently harvested and Bob's yer uncle.

But that leaves the question...what the fuck are you? Really, "R-Jack"...what?.. some malignant toxic punk? Some...nothing clinging and trying desperately to ooze just a bit more bile?. ?

You're fully prepared to vote for Jeb Biush or Scott Walker, aren't you?

Aren't you late for a party rally?

Aren't you late for rushing to the aid of a lady who saw an image of Elvis in their toast?

LTS TRN 2 wrote: You're fully prepared to vote for Jeb Biush or Scott Walker, aren't you?

As opposed to? Hilary, Joe B, Castro? No thanks. Jeb and Scott look tollerable compared to those three.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:So..you're suggesting that this is..some bullshit? When it appears overnight in some farmer's field? No doubt some bullshit prank by (extremely capable) libtards with too much time on their hands--and some anti-corporate bent?



But it happened. It's real. And the crops were subsequently harvested and Bob's yer uncle.

Not bullshit, art. Yes, it can certainly appear overnight with proper planning, manpower and tools.

What about this is confusing you?

Your typical fake (and squirming) suggestion that this--and hundreds more just as intricate and large could be done in one night--six or seven hours, tops-- by...how many people? With what sort of tools?...in what manner of total secrecy that has never been observed or revealed?

Of course you've got nothing in any way of an answer. And neither does anyone else. Or what?

Damn Frisco, give it a rest. Your adventures in heterosexuality should've told you you can't simply just will something to be true.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Or what?

Why don't you try explaining why you're against our courageous Israeli allies and for the Koranimal savages that surround them...that want nothing more than to see their blood flowing like a river into the Mediterranean?


Brave Israeli troopers like this one stare down the mouth of annihilation every day they go out on patrol.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Your typical fake (and squirming) suggestion that this--and hundreds more just as intricate and large could be done in one night--six or seven hours, tops-- by...how many people? With what sort of tools?...in what manner of total secrecy that has never been observed or revealed?

Of course you've got nothing in any way of an answer. And neither does anyone else. Or what?

So it's just sooo, much easier to buy into ET's and Flying Saucers that do it in the blink of an eye instead?

They do have a nice humanistic approach to their art though.

Because aliens would create this...


An alien pot leaf

How very spooky and mysterious. Wonder what it could mean?

Wonder if the aliens like pipes or blunts?

Be nice to Felcho. It's not his fault he can't grasp how to make those fancy schmancy designs. You try operating a simple GPS device with a tinfoil hat on.