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mvscal wrote:
Forgot about that 41-0 drubbing by the Jets, did you? Can't say that I blame you.

Face it, the only team he can get over on in the playoffs is the Donks.

Hell no I haven't forgot about any of the Colts playoff losses. I also haven't forgotten about the slaughter by Tennessee in the dome in '99. I haven't forgotten about the loss in Miami in '00.

But you see, that actually fits into this argument. Because just like the Brady vs. Manning argument ALWAYS does, this has turned into a debate of who has the most help. Does the QB touch the ball on ever play? Yes. But the defense has to make stops to get him the ball. The running back has to not drop it. The receivers have to catch it. The O-line has to block well.

So you bring up the 41-0 to the Jets. Take that and any Colts playoff game in the Peyton era before that and what do you see? The tripletts. That's it. Manning, James, Harrrison. But anyway, the Colts D has been non existent for that entire era. And in the playoffs, if you only have three players to look out for, it's not going to be hard to beat them. Since that Jets game, we've seen the emergence of Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokely, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes as a solid backup to James. But still, no D.

And that just goes to prove the old saying that "Defense wins championshps." Tom Brady's had it all along, Peyton hasn't.

Now to get specific, yes I remember the Jets game like it was yesterday. I remember a Colts D that couldn't tackle Curtis Martin, at all. I remember passes bouncing off the hands of Marcus Pollard and landing in the hands of the Jets D. I remember an O-line that couldn't block anybody that day.

Cicero wrote:I like Brady but on a pure physical level he doesnt compare to Dante, Donovan or Peyton. So in terms of raw talent, Tom cant compare.

Do mean the Donovan McNabb that was winded the during the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl? Not much of a 'physical level' to me.

mvscal wrote:

Rushville wrote: Because just like the Brady vs. Manning argument ALWAYS does, this has turned into a debate of who has the most help.

This debate is about who makes the plays in clutch situations. Brady does. Manning doesn't. It's that fucking simple.

No shit. That is exactly the criteria one should consider when discussing great QBs. When you are talking about great QB's, the criteria isn't which one put up the most numbers against the Tarinals or Bungles during the first few weeks of the season.

Hapday wrote:

mvscal wrote:

Rushville wrote: Because just like the Brady vs. Manning argument ALWAYS does, this has turned into a debate of who has the most help.

This debate is about who makes the plays in clutch situations. Brady does. Manning doesn't. It's that fucking simple.

No shit. That is exactly the criteria one should consider when discussing great QBs. When you are talking about great QB's, the criteria isn't which one put up the most numbers against the Tarinals or Bungles during the first few weeks of the season.

And as I stated early in this thread, I agree totally. Tom Brady is #1 based on that criteria.

My issue is with comments such as mvscal who said "The best QB in the NFL should shred any defense, right?" and then when rozy lists playmakers on the Colts and Patriots, he totally ignores the likes of Deion Branch, Troy Brown and David Givens.

Who was it that caught all those balls as Tom Brady was performing in the clutch? Who ran all the right routes? Who made all the right defensive reads and adjusted their routes correctly? Tom Brady didn't act alone. He's got just as good an offense around him as Peyton does. In fact, you could say their better because they have helped Brady come through in the clutch.

For the last time, I'll put Brady at #1 also.

But I gotta take issue with it if you talk as if he acted alone.

Brady is the fucking shit.

Peyton, uh yea, he is right fucking there. So he hasn't won a ring, big shit, he has to make up for every mistake he makes because he hasn't had a dominating defense that can do it for him.

He doesn't have jack shit to prove. He has been an elite QB for nearly his whole carreer which isn't even half way finished.

I wish I had as much to prove as that guy.


...Brady performs not matter who the fuck is at wideout or behind him and they get it done in any element, indoor/outdoor.