The Rod of God -- (!) Pages 33 and 34 (!)

[Jay in Phoenix]

Poptart, I have sit back quietly for a couple of days and let you take your cheap shots. You have had more than enough time to digest and respond to several points I and others have brought forward and you have ignored them in favor of games with numbers. You have challenged an actual pilot in LS, who has experienced and knows far more about the principles of flight than you ever will with all of your Googled, biased research. He has done what you will never know, as I have through eyewitness and the experience of skydiving.

But let's just set that aside for a moment and get back to some basic facts.

You have yet to address time zones and the aspect of night and day as they would exist in a flat Earth world and the sphere it actually is.

You have not at all correctly accounted for the visual aspect of perspective in relationship to distance versus height. Ships, buildings, landscape, etc.all "sink" below an unobstructed horizon the further you recede from them, as your own pictures have shown. You've chosen to ignore the visual evidence in favor of manipulated numbers. I know already you will " lol" this off in your typical juvenile fashion, but there is no way to ignore the "truth".

Evidence of round Earth goes back a very long way, as many explorers including Columbus established in their journeys.

Also, there have any number of non-stop flights AROUND the Earth, the record for which was established in just over two days. When I have the opportunity to link this info up, I will be happy to do so, but it is easily accessible information.

Shifting constellations also show proof of planetary rotation and explorers both of sea and sky have used them for years for location and direction.

Either address these aspects which absolutely deflate your hot-air nonsense, or as you love you love to type, s t f u.

The very round ball is in your pathetic court.

[mvscal]

Explain the last 1/4 of the flight for us.

If all goes well, you gradually descend, put your seat backs in their full upright position and then land, taxi to your gate and deplane at the terminal.

Does that help?

[Left Seater]

He was making a point (as I was) that IF a pilot wanted to not follow the curve of the earth, but instead wanted to fly straight, taking himself up from say 35,000 ft cruising level to 50,000 ft, he would use the elevators.

... to go STRAIGHT. lol

You either didn't read what I wrote or couldn't comprehend it, just like your engineer buddy. What is going to take you to 50,000 feet from 35,000 is an increase in lift. This is going to require more thrust or significantly less weight at the same thrust setting. The elevator will change the pitch of the plane only. FYI many planes fly level with a nose up attitude, the MD-10 and MD-11 being two.

1. As a pilot you follow the curve of the earth, because gravity does that automatically for you, yes?

The nose of the plane is continually, or periodically (to some degree) going DOWN to follow the curve, due to gravity, yes?

Wrong. I don't pitch the nose down to stay at an altitude. Nor does gravity force the nose down relative to the rest of the plane.

If at cruising altitude, you decided you didn't want to follow the earth's curve, but instead wanted to go STRAIGHT, what would you, mr. pilot, do?

This would be the same as above. I would need more lift, which would require an increase in thrust or a sudden severe loss of weight.

2. Did you watch what was presented about landing on a N-S runway on a 900 mph spinning globe?

What's your take?

My take is that the runway, the atmosphere, and my plane are all moving at the same east west speed relative to each other. Just like if I were standing on top of a bus and threw a baseball to you at 20 miles an hour. I would add 20mph to whatever speed the bus already added to the ball. Which would be the same speed you and I and the bus were traveling.

Think about this in another way. If your engineer was correct and that it was impossible for a plane to land on a North South runway, why doesn't a balloon a kid releases immediately fly away at 900 mph?

[Atomic Punk]

Think about this in another way. If your engineer was correct and that it was impossible for a plane to land on a North South runway, why doesn't a balloon a kid releases immediately fly away at 900 mph?

Because a balck will think it's an Amazon delivery drone and shoot it down before it can go anywhere.

[poptart]

Think about this in another way. If your engineer was correct and that it was impossible for a plane to land on a North South runway, why doesn't a balloon a kid releases immediately fly away at 900 mph?

LOL

It does move at 900 mph -- even before it's released.

[poptart]

This thread has taken a very delicious turn.


As was noted by Mr. Mullin in his report, we are observing the earth from a distance away from it.



Two things are moving.
1. The earth and it's atmosphere
2. The plane

This is undeniable FACT.


Now in your ball earth fantasy, a jet landing from E-W travel can not be accomplished on a N-S runway, so...

You assert that the earth and it's atmosphere are not moving.

bwaaaaa...

Well, duh!


Welcome to the Flat Earth Society.


:wink:

[Atomic Punk]

pops, they are talking about "relative" speed. Also, there shouldn't even be an issue about N-S runway headings and the 4 aerodynamic forces of lift, gravity, thrust and drag. Just stop trolling already.

[poptart]

Wrong. I don't pitch the nose down to stay at an altitude. Nor does gravity force the nose down relative to the rest of the plane.

At cruising altitude, do you fly with the nose of your plane up?

[poptart]

pops, they are talking about "relative" speed. Also, there shouldn't even be an issue about N-S runway headings and the 4 aerodynamic forces of lift, gravity, thrust and drag. Just stop trolling already.

If you just stood in one place on the earth, you would move from dark to light in 12 hours.
You are MOVING (allegedly)
Nothing relative about that.
Nothing.

It's called FACT, AP.

[Atomic Punk]

Assuming you have a constant speed and altitude, you trim the aircraft to balance lift, gravity, thrust and drag. You want to discuss basic aerodynamics now?

[poptart]

Poptart, I have sit back quietly for a couple of days and let you take your cheap shots. You have had more than enough time to digest and respond to several points I and others have brought forward and you have ignored them in favor of games with numbers. You have challenged an actual pilot in LS, who has experienced and knows far more about the principles of flight than you ever will with all of your Googled, biased research. He has done what you will never know, as I have through eyewitness and the experience of skydiving.

But let's just set that aside for a moment and get back to some basic facts.

You have yet to address time zones and the aspect of night and day as they would exist in a flat Earth world and the sphere it actually is.

You have not at all correctly accounted for the visual aspect of perspective in relationship to distance versus height. Ships, buildings, landscape, etc.all "sink" below an unobstructed horizon the further you recede from them, as your own pictures have shown. You've chosen to ignore the visual evidence in favor of manipulated numbers. I know already you will " lol" this off in your typical juvenile fashion, but there is no way to ignore the "truth".

Evidence of round Earth goes back a very long way, as many explorers including Columbus established in their journeys.

Also, there have any number of non-stop flights AROUND the Earth, the record for which was established in just over two days. When I have the opportunity to link this info up, I will be happy to do so, but it is easily accessible information.

Shifting constellations also show proof of planetary rotation and explorers both of sea and sky have used them for years for location and direction.

Either address these aspects which absolutely deflate your hot-air nonsense, or as you love you love to type, s t f u.

The very round ball is in your pathetic court.

Jay, some basic things elude you.

1. Proving a flat earth model wrong will not make the current model right.

2. I've not shown a flat earth model which I claim is THE model.

3. I don't know the answers to all of your questions. That's why I often suggest people to research it on their own, if they want. I am researching myself.

4. My main focus is poking holes in the established idea -- which is nonsensical.

[Diego in Seattle]

LTS Tart...If we're all going 900mph, why don't cops give speeding tickets to parked cars?

[Moving Sale]

Defense Attorney: Your honor. Everyone is speeding when they drive because everyone is doing 900 mph due to the earth moving and junk. To single out my client is selective enforcement and can't be tolerated. I move for acquittal.

Judge Pop: Denied. Everyone knows the earth doesn't move.

[Left Seater]

Think about this in another way. If your engineer was correct and that it was impossible for a plane to land on a North South runway, why doesn't a balloon a kid releases immediately fly away at 900 mph?

LOL

It does move at 900 mph -- even before it's released.

Agreed, but you want to argue this point for some reason.

[Left Seater]

Two things are moving.
1. The earth and it's atmosphere
2. The plane

This is undeniable FACT.


Now in your ball earth fantasy, a jet landing from E-W travel can not be accomplished on a N-S runway, so...

You assert that the earth and it's atmosphere are not moving.

So now you are resorting to putting words in my mouth and then arguing against that? New low says hello. It is completely possible for the jet to land on a n/s runway because the earth, the atmosphere and the plane are all moving at the same relative speed.

Where did I say it wasn't?

[Left Seater]

Wrong. I don't pitch the nose down to stay at an altitude. Nor does gravity force the nose down relative to the rest of the plane.

At cruising altitude, do you fly with the nose of your plane up?

Why are you so focused on the attitude of a plane? It has to be because you don't understand basic flight dynamics.

Try this. Hold your hand out with your palm parallel to the floor of whatever room you are in. Now think to your self that your fingers are the nose of a plane and the area just before your wrist is the tail. Now raise your fingers 10 degrees. A plane can fly level in this attitude. Now drop your fingers 15 degrees. They should be 5 degrees below level with the floor. Most planes can fly level in this attitude as well. See nose up or down to use your terms has little to no bearing on level flight or altitude changes.

[poptart]

It is completely possible for the jet to land on a n/s runway because the earth, the atmosphere and the plane are all moving at the same relative speed.

Only at the beginning, when the plane has not yet taken off.

At cruising altitude, the plane is moving 600 mph faster than the earth and atmosphere.
Then the plane slows down so that it can make it's turn (and let's say it slows to 300 mph), the earth and atmosphere maintain their 900 mph rate.

THERE is your problem.

An object in motion will remain in motion...

The plane can't STOP and go to zero and/or make a direct 90 degree turn to line up with the runway.
So what HAS to happen is that as the plane begins it's turn, it's velocity carries it east/southeast beyond the runway, which is moving slower than the plane.

You can simply not avoid this.

[poptart]

Wrong. I don't pitch the nose down to stay at an altitude. Nor does gravity force the nose down relative to the rest of the plane.

At cruising altitude, do you fly with the nose of your plane up?

Why are you so focused on the attitude of a plane? It has to be because you don't understand basic flight dynamics.

Try this. Hold your hand out with your palm parallel to the floor of whatever room you are in. Now think to your self that your fingers are the nose of a plane and the area just before your wrist is the tail. Now raise your fingers 10 degrees. A plane can fly level in this attitude. Now drop your fingers 15 degrees. They should be 5 degrees below level with the floor. Most planes can fly level in this attitude as well. See nose up or down to use your terms has little to no bearing on level flight or altitude changes.

If the brown is the earth and you are at settled cruising altitude just above it in this diagram, if you fly from one end of the brown to the other, is the plane flying on a straight line or is it flying on a downward bend?

[smackaholic]

It would seem to me that the speed limit ought to be higher if you are driving north/south, shouldn't it? And really, really high if you are traveling westward.

Having done the east west thing, in a 4 cylinder fukking house a number of years back, I have come to the conclusion that you are all fukked up and the earf spins the other way.

Avg. speed headed west across SD and WY was about 50-55 with in pinned. There is pretty much a continual westerly breeze of about 40 mph.

Avg. speed headed east across AZ, NM a week later, 65/70. Could have went faster but that gets to be a bit of a thrill ride in a Toyota Sunrader. Pretty much sasme breeze down here, but a tad warmer and maybe not quite as stiff.

These facts fly in the face of physics and NASA. The only solutions that make sense is either the earf rotates the other way or it is flat and g0d has a big ass box fan pointed to the east somewhere of the coast of cali.

[Smackie Chan]

At cruising altitude, the plane is moving 600 mph faster than the earth and atmosphere.
Then the plane slows down so that it can make it's turn (and let's say it slows to 300 mph), the earth and atmosphere maintain their 900 mph rate.

Assuming it's moving in the same direction as the earth is spinning - west to east - but we'll make that assumption.

THERE is your problem.

There IS no problem.

An object in motion will remain in motion...

...unless acted upon by an outside force. In this case, that outside force is increased drag/decreased thrust resulting from the pilot taking deliberate action to reduce the plane's speed.

The plane can't STOP and go to zero and/or make a direct 90 degree turn to line up with the runway.

It doesn't have to, and where did you get the notion that it does? Ever driven a car? Ever made right turn on a green light? Do you go from cruising speed to zero instantaneously and make a "direct 90 degree turn" to line up with the lane into which you are turning? No, what you do is gradually brake before the intersection, slow the vehicle down to a speed at which making a gradual turn is smoothly achieved, begin turning the wheel a few feet before reaching the intersection, continue turning the wheel once past the intersection to complete the turn, then go on about your way in a direction 90 degrees from before you began the turn. The same laws of physics apply in the car as they do in the air. The pilot doesn't wait until right above the runway to begin turning the plane. He/she begins the turn gradually miles before lining up with the runway and decelerates to do it smoothly. Why are basics so hard for you to grasp?

As far as relative speed goes, if the plane is traveling west to east, its speed relative to the earth's is whatever its indicated speed is. If it's traveling north or south, it may be moving at 900 mph through cosmic space, but its east-west speed relative to the earth is zero since it's in the atmosphere.

So what HAS to happen is that as the plane begins it's turn, it's velocity carries it east/southeast beyond the runway, which is moving slower than the plane.

Which is why the pilot begins making the turn early. Toddlers understand this when learning to ride tricycles. And you still haven't gotten it?

You can simply not avoid this.

I'm amazed you haven't avoided accidental death considering how slow on the uptake you are. This is really not difficult.

[Left Seater]

Why are you so focused on the attitude of a plane? It has to be because you don't understand basic flight dynamics.

Try this. Hold your hand out with your palm parallel to the floor of whatever room you are in. Now think to your self that your fingers are the nose of a plane and the area just before your wrist is the tail. Now raise your fingers 10 degrees. A plane can fly level in this attitude. Now drop your fingers 15 degrees. They should be 5 degrees below level with the floor. Most planes can fly level in this attitude as well. See nose up or down to use your terms has little to no bearing on level flight or altitude changes.

If the brown is the earth and you are at settled cruising altitude just above it in this diagram, if you fly from one end of the brown to the other, is the plane flying on a straight line or is it flying on a downward bend?

Neither. This is one of the parts of flight you and your video buddy don't get. I would be flying at a constant altitude above mean sea level. Not nose down to use your words.

Here is a kindergarten physics lesson that hopefully you and your engineer can comprehend. Tie a string around a metal washer, a rock, your phone, damn near anything near you. Now spin that object via the string. Notice it goes around in a circle. The phone or the rock or the garbage truck isn't making any attitude corrections, i.e. It isn't pushing its nose down to keep going in that circle. The string is gravity.

Comprehend? Sadly I doubt it.

[Diego in Seattle]

I just realized that when the parents took us on a roadtrip, we weren't doing 70mph...we were doing -830mph! No wonder my sister & I kept asking "Are we there yet?"

[Smackie Chan]

best entertainment for a while.

For the same reason watching Inspector Clouseau, Daffy Duck, Elmer Fudd, and Wile E. Coyote are entertaining. Seeing buffoons try to prove that they're smarter than those with whom they're dealing adds to the buffoonery and will seldom not be funny. We don't laugh with them, we laugh at them. Our friend poptart has propelled himself into that illustrious group. It's comedy gold watching him work.

[Mikey]

It would seem to me that the speed limit ought to be higher if you are driving north/south, shouldn't it? And really, really high if you are traveling westward.

If you're driving "north/south" you're actually driving in a great big curve, since the earth is spinning beneath you. I wonder how you can do this without turning the wheel. Ponderous, no?

Maybe the government, the car manufacturers and all the mechanics in the world have all secretly conspired to automatically turn the front wheels, based on your heading, to ensure that you're fooled into thinking you're actually in control.

[Smackie Chan]

molecules

What are those? You trying to sell me some line of BS that there are things too small for me to see with the naked eye?

lol

[Mikey]

^^^^^^
He said "naked."

[Smackie Chan]

Actually, the earth rotates at 1,037 mph @ the equator.

The earth is traveling 66,666 mph around the sun. (Satan!)

Our solar system is traveling 420,000 mph around the Milky Way.

The Milky Way is traveling at 2,237,000 mph around the universe.

In other words, we're going 2,724,703 mph while we're sitting still.

You see...THAT'S the problem! We can't be moving AND sitting still at the same time, dummy! Ever tried standing on a ball? It's not easy, especially when you're on the SIDE of one that's SPINNING! It's damn near impossible, and you want me to believe we're ALL doing it and not falling all over ourselves? lol times, like, INFINITY!

THINK, sheeple!

[smackaholic]

Did you get all that nonsense from the monty python song?

[Jay in Phoenix]

Jay, some basic things elude you.

1. Proving a flat earth model wrong will not make the current model right.

As a flat statement, that could be right. As a truthful, verifiable and provable statement, you and your model are dead wrong. There are so many numbers of photographic, mathematical and physical pieces of evidence that go back through history into today's scientific and even theoretical and Scriptural proof, that would shut your entire premise down, if only your arrogance and sense of being a mouthpiece for God didn't get in the way of the truth buried deep within your tortured heart and misguided belief you actually speak for God and Christ.

2. I've not shown a flat earth model which I claim is THE model.

Because, as always, you actually KNOW nothing of the physical, real world. You rely on Googled models and mathematics to support your position supplied from Flat Earth conspiracy sites and Scriptural distractions, that could be interpreted in any number of ways. Just stop with this posturing and rely on what you can prove.

3. I don't know the answers to all of your questions. That's why I often suggest people to research it on their own, if they want. I am researching myself.

Why don't you man up yourself and research these questions and answer them with integrity and honesty, that is set apart from Scripture and Biblical babble. I am not disrespecting your faith or basis in Biblical information, I am only asking you to support your position with any other evidence that is verifiable and provable. To this point, your videos and links are all going to conspiracy sites and loony tune nut job YouTube's that are seriously stupid.

4. My main focus is poking holes in the established idea -- which is nonsensical.

Your main focus is poking holes in science, logic, physics, photographic proof, visual evidence and even Spiritual systems of faith and hope and submerging them all in anger, indoctrination, bias and arrogance as a self appointed mouthpiece for God and Christ. You have failed miserably at every turn and are the most false Christian I have ever known.

I hope and pray you find redemption at some point, but for now, you are one jaded, hateful and deceived motherfucker.

[Jay in Phoenix]

But I pray for you anyway, you silly sodding old cunt.

[Mikey]

More proof of the big conspiracy...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectap ... 9042210300

[Moby Dick]

My son was just hitting me up about how exactly the earth moves around the sun to make days and nights. Good video here that I found on the youtubes.

[poptart]

It doesn't have to, and where did you get the notion that it does? Ever driven a car? Ever made right turn on a green light? Do you go from cruising speed to zero instantaneously and make a "direct 90 degree turn" to line up with the lane into which you are turning? No, what you do is gradually brake before the intersection, slow the vehicle down to a speed at which making a gradual turn is smoothly achieved, begin turning the wheel a few feet before reaching the intersection, continue turning the wheel once past the intersection to complete the turn, then go on about your way in a direction 90 degrees from before you began the turn. The same laws of physics apply in the car as they do in the air. The pilot doesn't wait until right above the runway to begin turning the plane. He/she begins the turn gradually miles before lining up with the runway and decelerates to do it smoothly. Why are basics so hard for you to grasp?

I'm surprised (or not) that you didn't think this through.

There is a FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE between a car and a plane.

The car has wheels which -----> hug the road.


No, a car traveling west to east and then turning south does not have to go to zero because it's wheels -----> hug the road.

It has to slow, for sure, or it will tip over, but what we would view during E-W travel, S turn, is wheels pointing directly S, while car chassis still facing in a SE direction (to some extent) -- momentum forcing it that way.

A plane needs to line up directly (or very close to it) with the runway, while a car does NOT have to line it's body up directly with it's "runway."

[poptart]

If the brown is the earth and you are at settled cruising altitude just above it in this diagram, if you fly from one end of the brown to the other, is the plane flying on a straight line or is it flying on a downward bend?

Neither. This is one of the parts of flight you and your video buddy don't get. I would be flying at a constant altitude above mean sea level. Not nose down to use your words.

LOL

Ahhh, yes.
The ol' "anything can mean anything" weasel out.

Speaking of kindergarten, a kindergartener knows that the line at the bottom of the brown is STRAIGHT.

[poptart]

Scriptural proof, that would shut your entire premise down

Post it.

[poptart]

Why don't you man up yourself and research these questions and answer them with integrity and honesty, that is set apart from Scripture and Biblical babble.

I do and I have.

Continually.

Unfortunately for you, you've been 3 steps behind the entire thread.
Chasing your tail around.

[Carson]

[Smackie Chan]

There is a FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE between a car and a plane.

The car has wheels which -----> hug the road.


No, a car traveling west to east and then turning south does not have to go to zero because it's wheels -----> hug the road.

It has to slow, for sure, or it will tip over, but what we would view during E-W travel, S turn, is wheels pointing directly S, while car chassis still facing in a SE direction (to some extent) -- momentum forcing it that way.

And this makes a difference...how?

A plane needs to line up directly (or very close to it) with the runway, while a car does NOT have to line it's body up directly with it's "runway."

Yeah, I see your point. OK, I don't. It's not like there's miles of open airspace in which planes can maneuver to make smooth, gradual runway approaches or anything, as they've done in all the flights I've been on (which number in the hundreds) and all those I haven't been on (which number in the millions).

You seem to not understand a few basic concepts at work here. The first is that of atmosphere. You apparently believe the Earth consists only of the solid and liquid masses attached to it, when, in fact, it also includes the miles of gaseous atmospheric layers (troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, and thermosphere) above it. The Kármán line, at about 62 miles above the Earth's solid surface, is often used as the border between the atmosphere and outer space.The atmosphere essentially behaves the same as the solid and liquid portions of the earth, spinning happily along with the rest of the planet. Everything within the atmosphere, like birds and planes in flight, are moving with the ground below. That's why the adjective in the term outer space is meaningful - it denotes the area outside Earth's atmosphere. So lining up an airplane with a runway isn't that tough, since relative to the ground, the plane is only moving as the pilot wants it to - it doesn't have to hit a relatively moving target.

The second concept you seem to be having trouble with concerns the forces that act upon objects. There are 4 such forces for flying objects, which Lefty has already cited - thrust, drag, gravity, and lift. For objects not in flight, like cars, we don't need to concern ourselves with lift - we generally prefer it when cars aren't in flight. The force we'll focus on here is drag. You mention that a car's wheels hug the road, which is true. The "hugging " action is what is referred to as friction. Drag is a form of friction. Whereas friction is typically used to describe the force exerted by solids contacting each other, such as brakes to wheels or tires to roads, drag is fluid friction between solids and non-solids, such as between a plane and air. So while a plane may not be hugging the road in the same sense that a car does, again, the laws of physics still apply in the same manner.

This hole you're digging for yourself has gotten quite deep. I expect soon you'll be pushing through the bottom of the flatness.

Like I said, comedy gold.

[poptart]

you are one hateful motherfucker

I had been called into the thread and so on page one, I put up a handful of posts telling where I was coming from.
No big deal.
Then you came right in and put up these remarks...

you are one seriously confused idiot.
your sad little life with your nose brown stained from keeping it buried in a fairy tale and a non-existent saviors ass.
You are a pathetic little old man
deluded or stupid
a fool.

Hateful

[Goober McTuber]