T1B

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:24 pm**

I found this on one of the USC boards this morning. The article is entitled "A Special Place to Play." An excerpt...

"I remember it being like a dream when we were going through stretch," said former kicker David Newbury. "I remember all the greats before me, all that history. No two teams have more history when you combine them. It is so different from UCLA. You just hate UCLA. No Respect for UCLA. With ND there is a mutual respect. At the top of their stadium are two flags that stay up all year long. ND and USC. Every other flag of their opponents is brought down. It is the most special game in football. College or Pro. There is a very special feeling in that stadium. You can't even put it into words. When you are on that field you can just tell something great is going to happen".

I do have respect for Notre Dame. I also have a profound contempt and hate for the Irish. Who knows? Maybe the latter is a product of the former. I don't know. Maybe it has something to do with my cousins that attended and graduated from ND. I know that I have experienced great heartache and even greater joy watching this rivalry...and I've been watching this a long-ass time.

I will not experience heartache today.

USC 49
ND 31

But I'll be happy with a one-point win.

Good luck Irishfan...NOT!

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:49 pm**

You know bitch, you have no respect for anything. I'm going to take the high road here and wish you good luck, no matter what.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:17 pm**

i'll say it now, 1st quarter and going for it at your 30 yard line is pure fucking stupidity!

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:21 pm**

Adelpiero wrote:i'll say it now, 1st quarter and going for it at your 30 yard line is pure fucking stupidity!

Its called playing to win. Charlie is going after it. He knows his only chance is to keep the ball from sc and score every possesion.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:21 pm**

i can see you think you need every score you can get, but if he doesn;t get it, it's 14-0, and you are done before the game even started!

personally i think it was a bad call, regardless of the result.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:22 pm**

The Green jerseys are real psychological advantage. :roll:

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:22 pm**

BTW, Reggie Bush should be in jail. It can't be legal to have that much game.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:01 pm**

I cant even watch this USC game the announcers will not get off notre dames balls for 5 freakin seconds, you would think they were the team that won 27 straight games no to mention its already clear what team these refs favor, I've seen two clear calls missed against the irish

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:18 pm**

You do realize that those are Pac 10 officials calling the game.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:33 pm**

Get Weis a drink of gatorade. He's foaming up nicely.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:35 pm**

Adelpiero wrote:i can see you think you need every score you can get, but if he doesn;t get it, it's 14-0, and you are done before the game even started!
You are right. My point is that ND has to gamble and have those gambles pay off if they have a prayer of winning.

Half time= man this is why I love the college game.

personally i think it was a bad call, regardless of the result.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:37 pm**

just saw the walk of half time interview with Charlie. He reminds me of me- ugly as hell but wise.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:08 pm**

Adelpiero wrote:i can see you think you need every score you can get, but if he doesn;t get it, it's 14-0, and you are done before the game even started!
Did I just see sc go for it on 4th down inside thier own 20?

personally i think it was a bad call, regardless of the result.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:15 pm**

Nolesy wrote:
Adelpiero wrote:i can see you think you need every score you can get, but if he doesn;t get it, it's 14-0, and you are done before the game even started!
Did I just see sc go for it on 4th down inside thier own 20?

personally i think it was a bad call, regardless of the result.

watching STL@Hou what did i miss?

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:20 pm**

Al, SC went for it 4th and about a half yard on their own 19. Dude catch the bb game on sports center. This thing is turning into a classic.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:42 am**

Laxplayer wrote:You know bitch, you have no respect for anything. I'm going to take the high road here and wish you good luck, no matter what.

How very NICE of you Tony. I'm sure TREX really appreciates how NICE you are.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:45 am**

I'm a very nice guy. Except today....I'm not very happy.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:49 am**

Cross Traffic wrote:You do realize that those are Pac 10 officials calling the game.

You seen USC's last few conf games, the Pac 10 refs have been brutal vs the Trojans this season

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:07 am**

No two teams have more history when you combine them. It is so different from UCLA. You just hate UCLA. No Respect for UCLA.

Exactly.

I fucking loathe UCLA, and I've loathed them from when I was a little kid and didn't even know enough to loathe them.

Even to a little eight year old kid in 1972 it was just so obvious:

-USC had those blood red uniforms which looked so awesome, and UCLA had lame baby blue uniforms (!!) that looked like something Soccer Mom would've designed over orange slices at half time.

-USC had that awesome white horse galloping around with a warrior looking dude while UCLA had two dorks wearing Ma & Pa Kettle Bear costumes.

-USC's band and especially their main fight song, "Conquest", with the "Victory" salute pumping back and forth from everyone, that shit always looked and sounded like Armageddon at the gates of Mordor. UCLA had that stupid circus music sounding fight song which they stole from Cal.

-USC had Ricky fucking Bell. UCLA had Mark Harmon.

Gawd, I hate UCLA.

With ND there is a mutual respect.

Exactly.

Any long time SC fan respects and fears Notre Dame. If he says otherwise he's lying. Notre Dame means class. Notre Dame means poise. Notre Dame means crisp Fall afternoons and big, slow, white Solid Citizen tight ends who'll end up being doctors and lawyers ripping your heart out with clutch 3rd and fifteen grabs over the middle to extend the drive.

The feeling we get from beating Notre Dame is why we love college football. Beating Notre Dame is storming Omaha Beach, and living to tell about it while drinking champagne from the cunt of a gorgeous and grateful French chick beneath a shade tree on the newly liberated Champs D'Elysee.

For some, beating Notre Dame is the best feeling in life.

Doing it in Notre Dame stadium, especially when they trot out not just the Ghosts Of Assrapings Past like Joe Montana, but also the gawdfuckingdammitIcan'tbelievethey'rehittingusagainwiththoseevilGreenJerseys??

The ultimate.

At the top of their stadium are two flags that stay up all year long. ND and USC. Every other flag of their opponents is brought down.

Awesome. Goose bumps.

Total respect.

It is the most special game in football. College or Pro.

Overall, nationally, year in and year out for over half a century, nothing else comes close. USC-Notre Dame is the gold standard, the flagship of college football, and it's what defines the main difference between the tradition and passion of college football vs the business like sterility of pro football.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:26 am**

RACK your rant, Van.

This game will go down as one of the greatest ever, on both sides.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:31 am**

Van wrote:
No two teams have more history when you combine them. It is so different from UCLA. You just hate UCLA. No Respect for UCLA.
Exactly.

I fucking loathe UCLA, and I've loathed them from when I was a little kid and didn't even know enough to loathe them.

Even to a little eight year old kid in 1972 it was just so obvious:

-USC had those blood red uniforms which looked so awesome, and UCLA had lame baby blue uniforms (!!) that looked like something Soccer Mom would've designed over orange slices at half time.

-USC had that awesome white horse galloping around with a warrior looking dude while UCLA had two dorks wearing Ma & Pa Kettle Bear costumes.

-USC's band and especially their main fight song, "Conquest", with the "Victory" salute pumping back and forth from everyone, that shit always looked and sounded like Armageddon at the gates of Mordor. UCLA had that stupid circus music sounding fight song which they stole from Cal.

-USC had Ricky fucking Bell. UCLA had Mark Harmon.

Gawd, I hate UCLA.

Why? Had we not beaten you like a red-headed stepchild 8 years in a row prior to Doerrell, you would probably not have lucked out and hired pom-pom pete.....

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:36 am**

Seer, let's face it, when you were beating us neither team was worth a shotglass of room temperature piss.

We couldn't even scare up enough angst to care, we were so mediocre.

Beating UCLA has always been a birthright, not an achievement. If we win, we're cool with it. If we lose, we know we sucked that year.

More than likely, we also lost to other teams that year too, if we managed to lose to UCLA.

Beating Notre Dame though, now that's almost always something special. Admittedly, stomping 'em last year wasn't such a Big Deal, but overall a win over ND provides a glow that lasts all winter long.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:15 am**

Van wrote:Seer, let's face it, when you were beating us neither team was worth a shotglass of room temperature piss.

We couldn't even scare up enough angst to care, we were so mediocre.

Beating UCLA has always been a birthright, not an achievement. If we win, we're cool with it. If we lose, we know we sucked that year.

More than likely, we also lost to other teams that year too, if we managed to lose to UCLA.

Beating Notre Dame though, now that's almost always something special. Admittedly, stomping 'em last year wasn't such a Big Deal, but overall a win over ND provides a glow that lasts all winter long.

Concur. Each time we beat San Diego St, it means so much more....glowing and all..... :roll:

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:56 am**

Face it, we're your Notre Dame and you're merely our SDSU.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:28 am**

Van you sound like a typical SoCal fan. Always looking for something to latch onto. I bet you were a UCLA fan back in 98, then you jumped on the Laker band wagon from 2k-2k3 and now you are a USC fan for life. Basically you sound like a front runner psudo-fan.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:44 pm**

SC/Domer fans,

First off, what a fukking game!!!! Rack both teams for putting on a game that will go down as one of the best evah.

As for you fukkers acting as if SC/ND being THE matchup in college football, is the natural order of things, may I remind you that, while it may always be impotent to the two teams, it hasn't meant shit to the rest of us in a long while.

SC/ND may have had a few years in the last 30 that it was somewhat notable, but, for the most part one or both were having off years. The last time I remember it being an epcot matchup year after year was some time in the 70s.

I may sound like another bitter SEC guy, but, I am not. Infact, I hope you fukkers keep this shit going for awhile, so we can be spared the "SEC is THE football conference" smack from all the 'necks. This was, btw, a true claim during a good part of the last 15 years or so.

Let's just hope Carrol and Weiss stay put. Carrol already had his chance in the NFL, I doubt he's going anywhere. And Weiss has the chance to become another Domer immortal. I can't imagine why anyone would pass that up to go coach the Lions, but, stranger things have happened.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:54 pm**

Vito Corleone wrote:Van you sound like a typical SoCal fan. Always looking for something to latch onto. I bet you were a UCLA fan back in 98, then you jumped on the Laker band wagon from 2k-2k3 and now you are a USC fan for life. Basically you sound like a front runner psudo-fan.

You sound ignorant.

I've been a die hard USC fan for longer than many here on this board have been alive.

-Shelton Diggs from Pat Haden in the Rose Bowl against Ohio State. I wore a homemade Shelton Diggs jersey every day to school for about two months, until my mom finally had enough of it.

-Ricky Bell, the Noblest Trojan Of All, getting screwed out of his Heisman.

-The Coliseum...Notre Dame...1974...Anthony freaking Davis.

-I still hate Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher for letting that pass tip off his hands and into the arms of Freeman McNeil.

-Charles White, the Baddest Little Fucker On the Planet.

-Bar-B-Que in the San Fernando Valley's "Dr Hoggly Woggly's Tyler Texas Bar-B-Que" (It's still there on Sepulveda Bl, just south of Roscoe Bl) with Anthony Munoz and Roy Foster.

-Skipping school in H.S. just to go down to USC and soak up Heritage Hall.

-Rod Dedeaux speaking at our high school's baseball banquet, and having him personally award me my lame little trophy for "CIF Southern Section Hitter Of the Year".

-Having my heart broken a few months later when I was only offered a partial scholarship to USC, knowing there was no way our family could afford to send me there.

-The end of the reign, with Marcus Allen, Don Mosebar, etc.

-The ever worsening '80's, when our ignoble streak against ND began.

-The even worse '90's, the era of Meshawn and the ultimate nadir, a seemingly acceptable losing streak to UCLA.

-The embarrassing debacle that was the hiring process that ultimately led to our 78th choice, Pete Carroll.

Vito, I don't take any of this current success for granted. I've been there, for a long, long time. I know it's fleeting and before too long we'll have another downturn. I'm just enjoying this era while it lasts, as it's been a long time coming.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:05 pm**

Van, I think vito echoes the sentiments of a lot of people because it's not until 3 years ago that you saw SC gear anywhere. It's noble of you to bring up names like Shelton diggs, but how could you forget Randy Simmrin? Props for being a fan through the thick and thin. You Greg, and Jimmy are a rare breed because 6 years ago the Moselelum was less exciting than a morgue. It's refreshing to know that there are some real, true fans out there. For example the father of a kid on my son's soccer team had on a #1 SC jersey. I said, "Are you a John Jackson fan?" He said, "who." I said....forget it, you've been a fan for only a few years. He still doesn't get it. Kids all decked out in NC sweatshirts, hats with tags still on them. God I hate bandwagoners.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:38 pm**

Lax, no doubt SC is now the Bandwagon team of choice. They win, they win consistently and they win with style.

They're an attractive team and L.A. has always been Bandwagon Central for people who jump on the latest hot team.

Fuck, how many Angel fans suddenly jumped out of the woodwork in 2002?

Thing is, Vito doesn't know me from Adam and right off the bat he's spouting off absurd assumptions about me, even though I've been an SC fan who's been on these boards for what, five years now?

I've definitely gone through way too much crap during the eighties and nineties to have some ignorant blockhead accuse me of being Frank Rizzo.

Which reminds me, isn't it about time for Rizzo to become a lifer SC Fan too, especially with his 'Noles going down the drain again yesterday? I'd actually look forward to reading some drunken Rizzo SC rants.

Wait. Check that. No I wouldn't. Any team Rizzo backs loses.

There's no room on SC's bandwagon for that dude. Funny lush or not, just stay away...

Lax, you mentioned Randy Simmrin but you know who was the one receiver I really liked? Kevin Williams, the clutch little speed burner who wore #8. To me, he was a receiver version of Charles White...

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:54 pm**

Van wrote:The Coliseum...Notre Dame...1974...Anthony freaking Davis.

Rack! That little fukker ran back, what, maybe 12 kick offs for TDs that day. That is my oldest memory of being a college football fan. What a bandwagonning little punk I was. A kid from connecticut who's teams were USC and the Miami dolphins, soon to be replaced by the Steelers.

The SC following softened with age. 25 years of mediocrity probably played into it as well. Another favorite was me and my bro, another trojan bandwagonning fukkk, giving it back to the old man after he was talking smack when the Irish were up 24-6? at half. I don't need to remind anybody what the final score of that one was, do I.

I have also admired ND over the years, so I didn't really have a clear favorite yesterday. I was just damn glad that SC/ND actually means something again.

I guess this will save ND from having to go Big Least football for awhile. Too bad. I would love to see them take on my up and coming huskies.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:10 pm**

smackaholic, hey, most little kids jump on their first bandwagon based on who was the dominant team at that time.

Little kids aren't going to instinctively jump on the team that's getting pummeled, they're going to find themselves being attracted to winners.

I grew up in L.A. and I was born in '64 so when I first started becoming aware of big time sports (early seventies), well, who were the killer teams then?

-USC, Ohio state, OU and Nebraska. Since I grew up in L.A. my first exposure to college football was seeing USC during the holidays, when the tv would be on for family gatherings.

USC playing in the Coliseum (or the Rose Bowl) with that band and that horse and those cheerleaders and those uniforms...Wooo, it all made for a very compelling image to an eight year kid.

It was like the first time I was exposed to footage of Jimi Hendrix. Such evocative imagery to a little kid, so powerful.

I was hooked. Been hooked ever since though, never changing allegiances, which is the difference.

I root for that helmet and those uniforms, no matter who's in 'em. It's just a part of me. Can't even imagine ever rooting against 'em.

Same thing for my first ever NFL love, which occured at the same time: Mercury Morris, Paul Warfield, Larry Little and the Miami Dolphins.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:44 pm**

OK, I'll admit it. I'm one of those bandwaggoning SC fans.

I can remember most of those old SC players and all of the classic games, 'cause I've been a Pac10 fan since about 1969. My dad used to take us to all the Stanford home games, except the "Big Game" against Cal because those weren't included in the family season ticket package.

Back then SC was the #1 (or maybe #2) enemy, and you can bet we knew who the players were. In my last two years of HS the Indians (as Stanford was known back then) went to the Rose Bowl and beat Ohio State and Michigan. I was working soft drinks at the stadium both seasons. Good times.

So you wonder how I can possibly be an SC fan? Well, I do have some connection. My brother and step-daughter both graduated from SC. She and her husband were at the Orange Bowl last year. Beyond that, I've been in SoCal (well actually LoCal) for most of the past 32 years, so it's kind of hard to avoid coverage of SC. I still hated them for a long time, but ever since Pete Carrol took over, well I like Carrol a lot. I admire his style and his program. And the team is so much fun to watch.

Admittedly, I wouldn't mind seeing Stanford spoil SC's win streak. I don't see that happening, though. And I'll always pull for a Pac10 team that has a chance for the MNC.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:48 pm**

Van wrote:smackaholic, hey, most little kids jump on their first bandwagon based on who was the dominant team at that time.

Little kids aren't going to instinctively jump on the team that's getting pummeled, they're going to find themselves being attracted to winners.

I grew up in L.A. and I was born in '64 so when I first started becoming aware of big time sports (early seventies), well, who were the killer teams then?

-USC, Ohio state, OU and Nebraska. Since I grew up in L.A. my first exposure to college football was seeing USC during the holidays, when the tv would be on for family gatherings.

USC playing in the Coliseum (or the Rose Bowl) with that band and that horse and those cheerleaders and those uniforms...Wooo, it all made for a very compelling image to an eight year kid.

It was like the first time I was exposed to footage of Jimi Hendrix. Such evocative imagery to a little kid, so powerful.

I was hooked. Been hooked ever since though, never changing allegiances, which is the difference.

I root for that helmet and those uniforms, no matter who's in 'em. It's just a part of me. Can't even imagine ever rooting against 'em.

Same thing for my first ever NFL love, which occured at the same time: Mercury Morris, Paul Warfield, Larry Little and the Miami Dolphins.

You forgot Csonka. What a fukkin' team. If I ever meet the guy who started the WFL, I will fight him.

As for current college allegiances, I'm hoping this UConn 1-A thing takes hold. It is off to a good start although they sucked ass this weekend at Cincinnati.

I don't really have any other strong allegiances. There are some I like, Tennessee (lived in Nashville from 95-98), SC, Notre Dame, PSU, Michigan. Not sure why I liked Michigan, prolly had to do with loathing Ohio State, which goes back to my early SC bandwagon days. Also hate 'bama this goes back to them stealing the NC from SC one year. I honed my 'bama hating skills while I lived in Nashville, where I was surrounded by professional 'bama haytas. The 'bama hating, naturally makes me want to like Auburn. I also hate all Florida teams. Miami in particular. If Al-queda had a football team, I would root for them over Miami. Same goes for BBall and Duke.

Sin,

smackaholic, confused bandwaggoning CF fan.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:10 am**

Nah, I didn't forget Csonka. I was a much bigger Mercury Morris fan. I liked Morris, Warfield, Little and Jake Scott the most.

Csonka was a beast but as a little kid I was more drawn to Morris's flash over Csonka's grit.

Hey, I was a little kid, what'd I know??

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:07 pm**

Van wrote:smackaholic, hey, most little kids jump on their first bandwagon based on who was the dominant team at that time.

Little kids aren't going to instinctively jump on the team that's getting pummeled, they're going to find themselves being attracted to winners.

I grew up in L.A. and I was born in '64 so when I first started becoming aware of big time sports (early seventies), well, who were the killer teams then?

-USC, Ohio state, OU and Nebraska. Since I grew up in L.A. my first exposure to college football was seeing USC during the holidays, when the tv would be on for family gatherings.

You forgetting a team in there, Van?

You and I are the same age, just about. There aren't too many 1-A programs around where I live. Closest back then was Syracuse, and without a doubt, the 1970's were the nadir of Syracuse football.

A number of factors, including, but not limited to, growing up Catholic, attending Catholic school, ND ending its long-standing no bowl games policy in 1970 (perfect timing from my standpoint), and the closest Division I program to me being essentially a glorified Division III program at the time, led to me becoming a ND fan.

Thing is, I was actually more of a NFL fan at the time. I remember the day when college football had one "game of the week" on TV on Saturday afternoon, and that was the only time you ever saw college football on TV until bowl season. I was more into the NFL because, simply put, it was much easier to follow back then.

So I was really only a semi-casual ND fan until the green jersey game against 'SC in '77. When I saw the atmosphere surrounding that game, even as it translated on a TV set, I was hooked for life. Although the first ambition I ever remember having was to play QB for ND, that's when I got serious about, "Yeah, that's where I want to go." Sidenote: in that game, I first noticed something special about a ND QB by the name of Joe Montana, even though he wasn't yet a clear-cut #1 QB at ND, and was still competing with Rusty Lisch for the starting position.

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:33 pm**

What about Jim Kiick?

Posted: **Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:13 pm**

Lax, my pecking order was always Morris, Csonka and then Kiick.

Rightly or wrongly, I always viewed Kiick as a poor man's smaller, less badass Csonka.

Terry, I wasn't going to name all the programs that were winning back when I got started but yeah, of course ND was there too.

So was Alabama, obviously.

Something in me innately disliked the redneck aura surrounding Bear's 'Bama program, so right off the bat they were the team I rooted against the most.

Sam Cunningham therefore was a god to me.

Notre Dame? As an SC fan, hey, they were Darth Vader. They were the Evil Empire, and those fucking green jerseys and the whole Touchdown Jesus/Golden Dome atmosphere in South Bend became something to respect and fear for me.

Never loathing though. Loathing was the exclusive domain of UCLA.

Nothing's changed. I still view crisp fall Saturdays in South Bend as being one of the most glorious examples of Americana in our entire existence.

Notre Dame is a worthy place, with a worthy tradition. If I were an ND fan as a kid I would've remained one for life.

T1B

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