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Surprise....Judge in DeLay case linked to MoveOn.org

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AUSTIN, Texas (Oct. 21) - Rep. Tom DeLay appeared in court Friday for the first time since his indictment, but his arraignment on conspiracy and money laundering charges was delayed pending a hearing on his request for a new judge in the politically charged case.

DeLay, who has stepped aside at least for the time being as House majority leader, did not speak during the brief court session, and was not called on to make a plea. But at a news conference shortly afterward, he attacked the prosecutor in the case as politically motivated, and said, "I will absolutely be exonerated."

Inside the courtroom, Judge Bob Perkins told defense lawyer Dick DeGuerin that "the best way for me to handle" the request for a new judge would be to defer further proceedings.

That set the stage for a pointed exchange between the two men that seemed as much a campaign debate as a courtroom exchange.

In respectful tones, DeGuerin noted that Perkins had donated money to MoveOn.org, a liberal organization that he said has been "selling T-shirts with Mr. DeLay's mug shot on it."

"Let me just say I haven't ever seen that T-shirt, :roll: number one. Number two, I haven't bought it. Number three, the last time I contributed to MoveOn that I know of was prior to the November election last year, when they were primarily helping Sen. Kerry," responded the judge.

MoveOn.org denied it was selling any such shirts, :roll: and issued a statement that said, "DeGuerin has either bad information or lied in court."

"All we want is a fair trial and a fair tribunal," DeGuerin told reporters outside the courthouse.

Prosecutor Ronnie Earle signaled he intends to contest the request for a new judge. :shock:

"What this means is if a judge had contributed to Crime Stoppers that judge could not hear a burglary case," :roll: Earle said. "Carried to its extreme, that is what I think this motion means and I think that's absurd."

"We don't live in a country where political party determines the measure of justice," :shock: Earle said, adding that he though DeLay could get a fair trial in the state's capital.

Administrative Judge B.B. Schraub will hold a hearing on whether Perkins should step aside. Schraub is based outside of Austin in the nearby town of Seguin, has been the administrative judge for the region since 1990 and is a Republican. Three Republicans and one Democratic governor have appointed or reappointed him to his job, his assistant said.

It was not clear how much the motion would lengthen proceedings in the case. The Texas congressman has said he wants a speedy trial.


DeLay appeared relaxed as he sat next to his wife, Christine, in the courtroom for what turned out to be a session of roughly four minutes. Earlier, he had entered the courthouse through a side door to avoid the cameras.

DeLay and two political associates are charged in an alleged scheme to funnel corporate donations to GOP candidates for the Texas Legislature. State law prohibits use of corporate donations to elect or defeat state candidates. All three deny wrongdoing.

The case has had a political cast from the outset. The charges arise from a campaign in which Republicans gained control of the legislature, then used their new majority to force through a redistricting plan that netted the GOP additional seats in the U.S. House of Representatives.

DeLay's indictment has roiled Republican politics in Washington, where he was forced to step aside as the No. 2 House Republican. With an eye on the 2006 elections, Democrats have sought to turn him into a symbol of what they depict as an ethically-challenged Republican majority.

But apart from giving up his leadership post - as required under GOP rules - DeLay has been nothing but defiant.

He retains a powerful influence in the House GOP high command, has repeatedly attacked Earle and now seeks to force the removal of the judge, who has donated to the organization that DeLay's lawyer described as antithetical to GOP fortunes.

"I will not let a prosecutor who pursues his political enemies by abusing the law and manufacturing baseless charges wreck our justice system," DeLay said at his news conference.


Apart from seeking a new judge, the congressman's lawyers are asking to have the case moved out of Austin, one of the state's most liberal areas.

DeLay turned himself in to the Harris County sheriff's office in Houston on Thursday, avoiding hordes of reporters waiting for him in nearby Fort Bend County, where he lives.

He smiled broadly in a mug shot that was publicly released. DeLay also was fingerprinted, went before a judge and was released on $10,000 bail.

DeLay's co-defendants are John Colyandro of Dallas, who was executive director of a Texas political action committee founded by DeLay, and Jim Ellis, a paid adviser who also runs DeLay's national fundraising committee. They also face conspiracy and money laundering charges, but their attorneys asked that their cases be separated from DeLay's proceedings.

Associated Press reporters April Castro and Larry Margasak contributed to this story.


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So now judges can't donate to causes? I guess if it turns out that John Roberts has ever donated to the GOP, then he'll just have to recuse himself from anything that might impact the GOP platform.

Doncha hate those double edged swords?
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So now judges can't donate to causes?
Red herring.
I guess if it turns out that John Roberts has ever donated to the GOP, then he'll just have to recuse himself from anything that might impact the GOP platform.


Not the same, dolt.
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DrDetroit wrote:
So now judges can't donate to causes?
Red herring.
Not even close to a red herring.

Just because one donates to MoveOn doesn't mean they forfiet their right to be impartial as a trial judge. If we follow that argument to its logical end, we cannot have anybody on the Supreme Court who has ever donated to a political cause.
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We need to stamp out left-wingism wherever and whenever it rears its ugly head.

All judges and all elected officials should be card carrying neo-cons or they shouldn't be allowed to exist. For the good of the country, of course.
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BSmack wrote:
DrDetroit wrote:
So now judges can't donate to causes?
Red herring.
Not even close to a red herring.

Just because one donates to MoveOn doesn't mean they forfiet their right to be impartial as a trial judge. If we follow that argument to its logical end, we cannot have anybody on the Supreme Court who has ever donated to a political cause.
Had he donated to the DNC or a particular candidate, it'd be fine. Donating to MoveOn shows clear bias towards the left. Were the shoe on the other foot, and a democratic Senator up before a judge that had given money to American's for Decency or Bob Jones University, you'd be whining so loudly that your OL would put you down for a nap.
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Variable wrote:Had he donated to the DNC or a particular candidate, it'd be fine. Donating to MoveOn shows clear bias towards the left.
Since when is a criminal trial a matter of left vs right?

Oh yea, when TOM DELAY makes it.
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"I guess if it turns out that John Roberts has ever donated to the GOP, then he'll just have to recuse himself from anything that might impact the GOP platform."

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BSmack wrote:
DrDetroit wrote:
So now judges can't donate to causes?
Red herring.
Not even close to a red herring.

Just because one donates to MoveOn doesn't mean they forfiet their right to be impartial as a trial judge. If we follow that argument to its logical end, we cannot have anybody on the Supreme Court who has ever donated to a political cause.
Red herring.

The issue being brought up is not that he simply contributed to a political "cause."

The judge has contributed to groups like MoveOn that are political opponents of DeLay.

The judge who initially got the Hutchinson case recused himself citing a similar conflict because he contributed to groups that supported Hutchinson.

Quite the irony here on behalf of Democrats for whom the mere appearance of a conflict is a "serious question" that must be investigated, just not in this instance... :roll:
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Mikey wrote:We need to stamp out left-wingism wherever and whenever it rears its ugly head.

All judges and all elected officials should be card carrying neo-cons or they shouldn't be allowed to exist. For the good of the country, of course.
And here we have what will be the typical response of the idiots on the left. No way can such an issue be raised by Republicans...only Democrats.

Nice work...no wonder you guys are losing election after election after election.
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BSmack wrote:
Variable wrote:Had he donated to the DNC or a particular candidate, it'd be fine. Donating to MoveOn shows clear bias towards the left.
Since when is a criminal trial a matter of left vs right?

Oh yea, when TOM DELAY makes it.
But that's not the question you intellectual void.

Again, red herring, much?
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Mikey wrote:We need to stamp out left-wingism wherever and whenever it rears its ugly head.
Sounds like you're not stuck on stupid anymore.

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I thought this case was so cut and dry in Tom Delay's favor that he wouldn't need to pull these kinds of stunts?

Two days ago, you clowns were saying that the DA didn't even have evidence, or a charge. Now that Delay has been cuffed and stuffed, you're changing your tune and questioning the judge's integrity because he gave 250 dollars to MoveOn. Now if this was the People of Texas vs MoveOn.org, I could see the point. But this is The People of Texas vs Tom Delay. So your point, and that of Delay's David Koresh defending scumbag attorney is irrelevant.
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BSmack wrote:But this is The People of the Texas DNC vs Tom Delay.
FTFY.

BTW, the whole pretense that the prosecution represents 'the people' in any criminal proceding is rather Kafkaesque.

They represent the state.

The jury represents the people.
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Who fucking cares what political causes he supports? It's a matter of right vs. wrong, not right vs. left. Just because the guy happens to be a Democrat doesn't mean that he isn't capable of doing his job.

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ElvisMonster wrote:Who fucking cares what political causes he supports? It's a matter of right vs. wrong, not right vs. left. Just because the guy happens to be a Democrat doesn't mean that he isn't capable of doing his job.

Republipersecution complex is teh suXX0rz.
STFU and play some Joe Jackson for the people.
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WE DON'T PLAY JOE JACKSON HERE! Wait...it's an 80's weekend.

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^^^^^^^^^^^

Not very quick on the uptake....



ElvisMonster wrote:It's a matter of right vs. wrong, not right vs. left.
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You guys have, Dr. Detroit. We've got BSmack. We're not happy about it either, but it all kind of works out.
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ElvisMonster wrote:You guys have, Dr. Detroit. We've got BSmack. We're not happy about it either, but it all kind of works out.
Who's this "we" you speak of?

I never see you talking politics. But hey, stick around a while kid. You might learn something.
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BSmack wrote:
ElvisMonster wrote:You guys have, Dr. Detroit. We've got BSmack. We're not happy about it either, but it all kind of works out.
Who's this "we" you speak of?

I never see you talking politics. But hey, stick around a while kid. You might learn something.
From you?


Only how to suck badly.

And I haven't got anyone here except the guys from Steeler's Wheeel...
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Diogenes wrote:
BSmack wrote:
ElvisMonster wrote:You guys have, Dr. Detroit. We've got BSmack. We're not happy about it either, but it all kind of works out.
Who's this "we" you speak of?

I never see you talking politics. But hey, stick around a while kid. You might learn something.
From you?

Only how to suck badly.

And I haven't got anyone here except the guys from Steeler's Wheeel...
Maybe you could teach him how to post in all bold type and how to be both utterly annoying and incomprehensible?
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The bold is trademark status, no can do.

Annoying to hypocritical ideological hacks and incomprehensible to simpletons is teachable though.
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Diogenes wrote:The bold is trademark status, no can do.

Annoying to hypocritical ideological hacks and incomprehensible to simpletons is teachable though.
See, a few more like this and he'll be well on his way to sucking hard.
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Quit projecting, twinkie.


So when are you scheduled to go back to obsessing about Karl the Terrible?
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Variable wrote:
Had he donated to the DNC or a particular candidate, it'd be fine. Donating to MoveOn shows clear bias towards the left. Were the shoe on the other foot, and a democratic Senator up before a judge that had given money to American's for Decency or Bob Jones University, you'd be whining so loudly that your OL would put you down for a nap.
That has to be the god awfullest stupidest fucking thing I have ever heard in my entire fucking life. I almost want to shoot myself in my fucking head for reading that and understanding you believe or concieving of giving money to someone else shows more favor towards actually giving the money to the person you favor, as a valid belief.

I want to kill myself for having the knowledge that a dumbfuck like you exists and you won't kill yourself.

Jesus Christ you are fucking STUPID! I literally punched my computer screen and went into my bathroom and violently masturbated into my toilet and spit on my Playboy. Then I set it on fire and threw it in the tub and continued to piss out the flames. I then took that Playboy to a humless bum and beat the living shit out of him with a rolled up, pissed on, half burnt paper. He cried and begged me to stop, but I was so pissed off I shoved my foot in his throat and continued to kick off his teeth and removed all 3 of them.

I then went home and finished this post. After I post this I will check another post by Dr. Detroit that I believe to be as extremely stupid as the idea your dad had when he looked at your fat and ugly mom and decided to fuck her. This computer will be thrown out my car window and I'll retire once again, for knowing that dumbfucks like you actually exist.
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DrDetroit wrote:
BSmack wrote:
DrDetroit wrote: Red herring.
Not even close to a red herring.

Just because one donates to MoveOn doesn't mean they forfiet their right to be impartial as a trial judge. If we follow that argument to its logical end, we cannot have anybody on the Supreme Court who has ever donated to a political cause.
Red herring.

The issue being brought up is not that he simply contributed to a political "cause."

The judge has contributed to groups like MoveOn that are political opponents of DeLay.

The judge who initially got the Hutchinson case recused himself citing a similar conflict because he contributed to groups that supported Hutchinson.

Quite the irony here on behalf of Democrats for whom the mere appearance of a conflict is a "serious question" that must be investigated, just not in this instance... :roll:
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Go Fuck Yourself and permanetly retire yourself. You make index look like Luthor in a political forum.

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You have been arguing this topic for at least a year and it turns out again that you are a waste of fucking water. The sun called, it wants the water in your body to turn to vapor so all is not lost and maybe 4 blades of grass have their thirst quenched.
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Diogenes wrote:
BSmack wrote:But this is The People of the Texas DNC vs Tom Delay.
FTFY.

BTW, the whole pretense that the prosecution represents 'the people' in any criminal proceding is rather Kafkaesque.

They represent the state.

The jury represents the people.
Hey check out DeLay coming clean!

1, 2, 3

With that, goodnight now. Someone should have bet you if DeLay was a crook, you'd drop the bold. And put killing yourself in, but without your identity and knowing the Republican party is going to take about 16 years to recover from this piece of shit, you already are dead and I should put my cause towards more ambitious goals like praying Hannity dies in a car wreck or mugged and killed by a poor white guy.
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Gunslinger wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
BSmack wrote:But this is The People of the Texas DNC vs Tom Delay.
FTFY.

BTW, the whole pretense that the prosecution represents 'the people' in any criminal proceding is rather Kafkaesque.

They represent the state.

The jury represents the people.
Hey check out DeLay coming clean!

1, 2, 3

With that, goodnight now. Someone should have bet you if DeLay was a crook, you'd drop the bold. And put killing yourself in, but without your identity and knowing the Republican party is going to take about 16 years to recover from this piece of shit, you already are dead and I should put my cause towards more ambitious goals like praying Hannity dies in a car wreck or mugged and killed by a poor white guy.
To be fair, it only took the GOP 6 years to bounce back from Nixon. Though Delay is as ethicly challenged as Nixon, he certainly doesn't have Nixonian impact unless he takes out some other folks on his way down.
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mvscal wrote:Commence meltage...
Judge Removed from DeLay Case
Tuesday, November 01, 2005

AUSTIN, Texas — The judge in Republican Rep. Tom DeLay's conspiracy case was removed at the congressman's request Tuesday because of the judge's donations to Democratic candidates and causes.

Senior Judge C.W. "Bud" Duncan (search) ruled in favor of DeLay without comment. The case now goes back to Administrative Judge B.B. Schraub, who will appoint a new judge to preside over DeLay's case.

Throughout the proceedings DeLay sat in the front row behind defense attorneys with District Judge Bob Perkins' political donations called his impartiality into question.

Perkins, a Democrat, has contributed to candidates such as John Kerry (search) and the liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org. He did not attend Tuesday's hearing and did not return a phone call seeking comment.

"The public perception of Judge Perkins' activities shows him to be on opposite sides of the political fence than Tom DeLay," defense attorney Dick DeGuerin said during opening statements.

Perkins had declined to withdraw from the case, and prosecutor Rick Reed argued at the hearing that DeLay had to prove that a member of the public would have a "reasonable doubt that the judge is impartial" before Perkins could be removed

"Judges are presumed to be impartial," Reed said.

Judges are elected in Texas and are free to contribute to candidates and political parties. DeGuerin said no one contended Perkins did anything wrong, but "to protect the integrity" of the judicial system, he could not preside over a trial for someone to whom he was opposed politically.

"We got a fair hearing. We had a judge that listened to both sides. This will engender respect for the judiciary," DeGuerin said.

District Attorney Ronnie Earle (search), who heads the criminal investigation into DeLay's fund-raising activities, watched in the courtroom while his deputies questioned witnesses. He got up at the end of the hearing and chided DeLay's attorneys for repeatedly calling it a "political case."

"This is not a political case; this is a criminal case," Earle said. "Mr. DeLay stands charged with a felony."

Earle declined to comment further because of DeLay's pending motion to get the site of the trial change.

The recusal issue has come up for Perkins before. He voluntarily stepped aside in a 1994 case against Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison. Perkins had made a $300 contribution to Hutchison's political opponent. Hutchison, also represented by DeGuerin, was ultimately acquitted of misconduct charges.

DeLay was forced to step down as House majority leader after being charged with funneling corporate campaign contributions to Republican candidates for the Texas Legislature. Texas law forbids the direct use of corporate money for campaigning.

Delay's lawyers cited 34 contributions Perkins has made to Democrats since 2000, including donations to Kerry and to MoveOn.org, a group that has waged a campaign against DeLay.

Perkins has said that his contributions to MoveOn.org were made before it launched its anti-DeLay campaign. Prosecutors also argued that six of the contributions were wrongly counted twice by DeLay's attorneys.

DeLay's attorneys subpoenaed Perkins to testify, but Duncan said he would not have to take the stand. Perkins argued that his participation would threaten the public's confidence in the judiciary.

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Gunslinger wrote:
mvscal wrote:Commence meltage...
Judge Removed from DeLay Case
Tuesday, November 01, 2005

AUSTIN, Texas — The judge in Republican Rep. Tom DeLay's conspiracy case was removed at the congressman's request Tuesday because of the judge's donations to Democratic candidates and causes.

Senior Judge C.W. "Bud" Duncan (search) ruled in favor of DeLay without comment. The case now goes back to Administrative Judge B.B. Schraub, who will appoint a new judge to preside over DeLay's case.

Throughout the proceedings DeLay sat in the front row behind defense attorneys with District Judge Bob Perkins' political donations called his impartiality into question.

Perkins, a Democrat, has contributed to candidates such as John Kerry (search) and the liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org. He did not attend Tuesday's hearing and did not return a phone call seeking comment.

"The public perception of Judge Perkins' activities shows him to be on opposite sides of the political fence than Tom DeLay," defense attorney Dick DeGuerin said during opening statements.

Perkins had declined to withdraw from the case, and prosecutor Rick Reed argued at the hearing that DeLay had to prove that a member of the public would have a "reasonable doubt that the judge is impartial" before Perkins could be removed

"Judges are presumed to be impartial," Reed said.

Judges are elected in Texas and are free to contribute to candidates and political parties. DeGuerin said no one contended Perkins did anything wrong, but "to protect the integrity" of the judicial system, he could not preside over a trial for someone to whom he was opposed politically.

"We got a fair hearing. We had a judge that listened to both sides. This will engender respect for the judiciary," DeGuerin said.

District Attorney Ronnie Earle (search), who heads the criminal investigation into DeLay's fund-raising activities, watched in the courtroom while his deputies questioned witnesses. He got up at the end of the hearing and chided DeLay's attorneys for repeatedly calling it a "political case."

"This is not a political case; this is a criminal case," Earle said. "Mr. DeLay stands charged with a felony."

Earle declined to comment further because of DeLay's pending motion to get the site of the trial change.

The recusal issue has come up for Perkins before. He voluntarily stepped aside in a 1994 case against Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison. Perkins had made a $300 contribution to Hutchison's political opponent. Hutchison, also represented by DeGuerin, was ultimately acquitted of misconduct charges.

DeLay was forced to step down as House majority leader after being charged with funneling corporate campaign contributions to Republican candidates for the Texas Legislature. Texas law forbids the direct use of corporate money for campaigning.

Delay's lawyers cited 34 contributions Perkins has made to Democrats since 2000, including donations to Kerry and to MoveOn.org, a group that has waged a campaign against DeLay.

Perkins has said that his contributions to MoveOn.org were made before it launched its anti-DeLay campaign. Prosecutors also argued that six of the contributions were wrongly counted twice by DeLay's attorneys.

DeLay's attorneys subpoenaed Perkins to testify, but Duncan said he would not have to take the stand. Perkins argued that his participation would threaten the public's confidence in the judiciary.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174129,00.html
No meltage here. Delay has admitted the crime, there is nothing to prove anymore anymore.

You can continue to prove you are a fucking idiot, bu I myself now you love black cock but hate yourself for neglecting the family in search of even more black cock.

Sh*tslinger....Delay admitted the crime :roll: maybe you can enlighten us! I must have missed that one. Then again, I'd bet a few zop's that you have Delay confused with ...say Scooter Libby...ya think?
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ChargerMike wrote:
Gunslinger wrote:
mvscal wrote:Commence meltage...
No meltage here. Delay has admitted the crime, there is nothing to prove anymore anymore.

You can continue to prove you are a fucking idiot, bu I myself now you love black cock but hate yourself for neglecting the family in search of even more black cock.

Sh*tslinger....Delay admitted the crime :roll: maybe you can enlighten us! I must have missed that one. Then again, I'd bet a few zop's that you have Delay confused with ...say Scooter Libby...ya think?
Wasn't covered on Rush Limbaugh?

Look up at the link I posted, I'm not doing the work for you. Laziness is what made you an idiot.
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Yeah, but you make it look effortless, Fubutard
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Cuda wrote:Yeah, but you make it look effortless, Fubutard

I know you are but what am I? Great fucking smack Cuda, move this to archives immediately.

Here is some smack for your stupid ass!

I make a claim that the guy I replied to was intellectually lazy because he couldn't click a fucking link where Delay admitted to not reporting campaign contributions. He comes in and tells me he must have missed this lie and did a "little rolleyes" and stated I was mistaken over Delay being Libby.

The fucking link was in this very fucking thread. If you are that fucking stupid to post and shoot yourself in the foot then obviously you are intellectual lazy and that is why you would follow a Republican Rush Limbaugh mantra.

Now you come in with reversal smack, thereby supporting the dumb piece of shit who couldn't fucking read and you backed him up with the most childish smack ever concocted "I know you are but what am I".

So, are you the dumbshit that licks the boots of the ignorant? Yes, yes you are.
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