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Posted: **Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:54 am**

This'll answer the question about whether he'll jump to the NFL:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/sport ... 30weis.htm

It's First-and-10 Years for Weis in New Contract

By PETE THAMEL
Published: October 30, 2005
One overlooked element in Notre Dame's return to the college football elite this fall is the break that led to Charlie Weis's ending up as the coach of the Irish.

Last December, as Notre Dame officials scrambled around the country in search of a head coach, Weis was considered a second-tier candidate and perhaps the university's seventh choice.

But only seven games into his career as Notre Dame's head coach, the university's officials have decided that they want Weis around for a long time. He signed a new 10-year contract yesterday that begins at the start of the 2006 season and will run through the 2015 campaign.

"One of my primary goals was to be able to see this job through to the time my son, Charlie, would graduate from the University of Notre Dame and to stay in this position until I retire," Weis said in a statement. "By restructuring this contract, adding an additional five years, this allows me to accomplish that goal."

The contract extension comes after a week of speculation in the news media about the possibility of National Football League teams courting Weis at the end of the season. Weis spent nearly his entire career in the N.F.L. and was the Patriots' offensive coordinator for their three recent Super Bowl victories.

Kevin White, Notre Dame's athletic director, said in a telephone interview yesterday that university officials had been speaking with Weis for a few weeks.

"We feel that our new 10-year agreement solidifies the future of Irish football," White said.

Weis's offensive acumen has made the transition from the N.F.L. to Notre Dame, where his system has helped transform quarterback Brady Quinn from an inconsistent player as a sophomore to a leading Heisman Trophy candidate as a junior.

Weis has the Irish at 5-2, with victories at Pittsburgh, Michigan and Purdue and a last-second loss at home to top-ranked Southern California.

Much of the change in the Irish's fortunes has come on the offensive side of the ball, where the team labored under the former coach Tyrone Willingham. Under Weis, the Irish rank No. 8 nationally with 492.7 yards a game. Last season under Willingham, the Irish offense ranked No. 81, with 345.5 yards a game.

Along with the offensive improvements, Weis's blustery personality has emboldened the team. It's a personality the program now intends to keep until 2015.

"Nothing has changed from Charlie's opening press conference when he said he wanted to be here long-term," White said yesterday. "For both entities, we've just contractually solidified things."

Only concern I have is whether we're jumping the gun, as we did in giving Davie an extension. It definitely feels like that's not the case. But as a lifelong Notre Dame fan, I've seen more than my fair share of heartache over the last 25 years, and that's produced a natural pessimistic streak.

Posted: **Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:48 am**

It sounds like way too big a jump. Even schools that re-up a 1 or 2 yr old coach with 8-10 yr extensions is too much. Weis could be just like Davy or Willengham who looked great in the beginning and then floundered. What does it hurt to wait until the end of the regular season or even closer to next year.

What is this about his son? Does he go to ND or is he coaching there or what is tha tall about?

Posted: **Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:27 pm**

Typicall Notre Dame move. 5-2 record (with a loss to Mich St at home) gets you a 10 year extension? Just shows you how desperate they are. Why didn't they just give him a lifetime contract .... Geesh.

Posted: **Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:15 pm**

funny that so many people are on Weis's dick when his record is the same as Urban Meyers and so many people are saying that Meyer is doing a poor job.

Posted: **Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:37 pm**

Quinn is built like a QB, Leak is built like a ball boy
thats also an issue?

Leak just doesnt fit in Meyers scheme, he needs to be in a pocket and a shot gun to work with his size, running around getting banged like a screen door in a hurricane doesnt work for 175 lb QB's.

Posted: **Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:33 pm**

Meyer has turned Chris Leak into a DAC cocktail waiter.

I laughed. A lot.

I don't even know what the "DAC" stands for, but man I laughed anyway.

Posted: **Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:09 pm**

Oh, you mean Heritage Hall's foyer.

Gotcha.

Posted: **Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:49 pm**

This will definitely end any negative recruiting propaganda about him heading back to the NFL anyway. Him being secured for the duration of a recruit's stay at ND will make the domers more tempting. I'd still say the move is premature, it hasn't even been one season yet, but recruiting-wise it is a nice move.

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:00 pm**

Sky wrote:What is this about his son? Does he go to ND or is he coaching there or what is tha tall about?

Weis' son is 11, I think, and wants to attend ND in the future. I don't have any info on his grades, but he seems to be a bright kid. Also, ND has a preferential admissions policy for legacies (children of alumni), reserving 25% of each class for legacies, and Weis is an alum. Even if Weis wasn't the football coach at ND, I'd say that young Charlie's chances of getting into ND are better than 50-50. In light of the position his dad holds, it's a near certainty.

The talk about Weis staying at ND until his son graduates is nothing new, Weis gave talks on campus to several different groups after he was hired, and word was that was precisely what he was telling people. He also has a daughter who's a few years younger than his son, but she suffers from global developmental disabilities. In all likelihood, she'll never go to college, but I suppose stranger things than that have happened.

And I think Danimal's right. This is primarily a recruiting ploy, more than anything else.

Sidenote: I hated the legacy policy when I was a high school senior, sweating out the fact that I might not get into ND despite the fact that some kid with worse credentials would get in merely because his dad was an alum. Now that I'm an alum with two kids, I love it. Now, if only they'd come up with a full scholarship for legacies . . .

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:17 pm**

Thanks TiC, does his son play ball or are there hopes he will play on the team? I know he is only 11 but if the situation fits, you know the thoughts are out there.

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:44 pm**

SoCalTrjn wrote:funny that so many people are on Weis's dick when his record is the same as Urban Meyers and so many people are saying that Meyer is doing a poor job.

Considering Meyer said that one of the reasons he went to UF was because of their talent and the fact that they could compete for a National Championship now, he kinda set the bar for himself. Weis has done more with less and Meyer has done less with more.

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:51 pm**

Sky wrote:Thanks TiC, does his son play ball or are there hopes he will play on the team? I know he is only 11 but if the situation fits, you know the thoughts are out there.

He doesn't play football, and that's a conscious decision on his part so that he can spend game day with his father on the sidelines. Weis didn't play football when he was a student at ND, for that matter.

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:58 pm**

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Sky wrote:Thanks TiC, does his son play ball or are there hopes he will play on the team? I know he is only 11 but if the situation fits, you know the thoughts are out there.
He doesn't play football, and that's a conscious decision on his part so that he can spend game day with his father on the sidelines. Weis didn't play football when he was a student at ND, for that matter.

So he wants to be a couch potato too like his pops and hopes lightning strikes twice in the same place?

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:04 pm**

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Sky wrote:Thanks TiC, does his son play ball or are there hopes he will play on the team? I know he is only 11 but if the situation fits, you know the thoughts are out there.
He doesn't play football, and that's a conscious decision on his part so that he can spend game day with his father on the sidelines. Weis didn't play football when he was a student at ND, for that matter.

Weis can't possibly know anything about football or football players then.

Sincerely,
MGo

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:58 pm**

IndyFrisco wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Sky wrote:Thanks TiC, does his son play ball or are there hopes he will play on the team? I know he is only 11 but if the situation fits, you know the thoughts are out there.
He doesn't play football, and that's a conscious decision on his part so that he can spend game day with his father on the sidelines. Weis didn't play football when he was a student at ND, for that matter.
So he wants to be a couch potato too like his pops and hopes lightning strikes twice in the same place?

I said Weis didn't play football at ND. I didn't say that he never played football, period. And while I don't know 100% for sure, I doubt that's the case.

Not many people are good enough to play at that level. I would've given the world to have been able to play football at ND, but I wasn't good enough to play at that level.

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:13 pm**

Do the Domers really think that if an NFL team wanted Weis they wouldn't be able to get him, even with this contract?

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:50 pm**

See You Next Wednesday wrote:Do the Domers really think that if an NFL team wanted Weis they wouldn't be able to get him, even with this contract?

The contract is more symbolic than anything else, in that regard. Nobody doubts that every NFL team has the money to pay ND handsomely to allow Weis to break the contract.

Having said that, however, it seems that you asked the wrong question. The proper question is, how likely will Weis be to leave ND, having signed this contract? Given the long-term nature nature of the contract (consistent with Weis' expressed intentions, but of course, something he was free to reject) and his long-time ties with ND, do you really think he's likely to bail out in favor of, say, the Houston Texans' head job?

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:17 pm**

Killian wrote:
SoCalTrjn wrote:funny that so many people are on Weis's dick when his record is the same as Urban Meyers and so many people are saying that Meyer is doing a poor job.
Considering Meyer said that one of the reasons he went to UF was because of their talent and the fact that they could compete for a National Championship now, he kinda set the bar for himself. Weis has done more with less and Meyer has done less with more.

Definitely disagree. ND really hasn't beaten anyone. Not saying they are not better with him but who has ND beaten??? The only 2 decent teams they have played they lost. 5-2 is 5-2. I won't take anything away from him though. UF? 5-2 and if Auburn beats UGA, UF will play for the SEC title. Not bad for his first year. Zook never did. Injuries are a part of the game and we have had many. The defense is easily better than last year's team. The offense just hasn't clicked. Leak can't run. Meyer used a FB and TE on Saturday. There is no reason to expect that Meyer won't work out the wrinkles in the offense. It is far too early to see who got the better coach.

Very premature to give ANY coach that extension this soon.

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:23 pm**

They won in Ann Arbor when Michigan was #3 in the country. They lost in overtime to MSU and lost on the last play of the game to the #1 team in the country. Weis inherited average talent by production standards (81 in total offense last year) and has them averaging close to 40 points a game and running up over 500 yards of offense. UF, on the other hand, has regressed on offense and was beat in every possible way by an Alabama team that has struggled to move the ball on a consistant basis.

While I agree that this may be a bit soon to extend his contract, they are just adding 5 years on to his original contract.

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:55 pm**

Great that Weis got the contract but ND fan answer me this:

How is it that ND is still gaining traction from the SC loss (which is still a loss) and that they remain in the top 10 while tOSU can't crack it...? I mean tOSU lost by 3 points to Texas (in a see saw game much like the ND/SC contest) and lost at Happy Valley to a PSU squad that is much better than anyone anticipated. But how is ND still getting all that love when they FUCKING lost to MSU who has dropped off the radar (and lost at FUCKING HOME)? While tOSU bitchslapped MSU by 14 pts.????

By no means is this a tussle or what not but I am just trying to understand the love fest? Is it the lack of ND near the top of the polls? Is it an ND media bias? Is beano cook pulling the strings?

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:58 pm**

buckeye_in_sc wrote:Great that Weis got the contract but ND fan answer me this:

How is it that ND is still gaining traction from the SC loss (which is still a loss) and that they remain in the top 10 while tOSU can't crack it...? I mean tOSU lost by 3 points to Texas (in a see saw game much like the ND/SC contest) and lost at Happy Valley to a PSU squad that is much better than anyone anticipated. But how is ND still getting all that love when they FUCKING lost to MSU who has dropped off the radar (and lost at FUCKING HOME)? While tOSU bitchslapped MSU by 14 pts.????

By no means is this a tussle or what not but I am just trying to understand the love fest? Is it the lack of ND near the top of the polls? Is it an ND media bias? Is beano cook pulling the strings?

This is easy:

A) It is Notre Dame
B) It is a feel good story
C) Notre Dame's offense is exciting and fun to watch
D) tOSU's offense has looked horrible

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:59 pm**

Shawn Marion wrote:
buckeye_in_sc wrote:Great that Weis got the contract but ND fan answer me this:

How is it that ND is still gaining traction from the SC loss (which is still a loss) and that they remain in the top 10 while tOSU can't crack it...? I mean tOSU lost by 3 points to Texas (in a see saw game much like the ND/SC contest) and lost at Happy Valley to a PSU squad that is much better than anyone anticipated. But how is ND still getting all that love when they FUCKING lost to MSU who has dropped off the radar (and lost at FUCKING HOME)? While tOSU bitchslapped MSU by 14 pts.????

By no means is this a tussle or what not but I am just trying to understand the love fest? Is it the lack of ND near the top of the polls? Is it an ND media bias? Is beano cook pulling the strings?
This is easy:

A) It is Notre Dame
B) It is a feel good story
C) Notre Dame's offense is exciting and fun to watch
D) tOSU's offense has looked horrible

Actually, I would add to this the following: in the BCS rankings (which, when all is said and done, is the only thing that really counts, anyway), tOSU is actually still ranked ahead of ND.

Many people thought USC was unbeatable entering the season, and ND gave them far and away the closest game they had. And as Killian said, tOSU's offense has looked horrible, especially in the Penn State game.

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:32 pm**

While it has been pointed out that the contact is mostly for show, the real number is the buyout. Heard a report on local radio (so take it for that) that the buyout was only $2 Million.

Hopefully for ND's sake they made the buyout much higher than that since they put their necks out and gave CW such a long contract.

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:35 pm**

Left Seater wrote:While it has been pointed out that the contact is mostly for show, the real number is the buyout. Heard a report on local radio (so take it for that) that the buyout was only $2 Million.

Hopefully for ND's sake they made the buyout much higher than that since they put their necks out and gave CW such a long contract.

The original buyout was reported at $1.5 million, but I believe that there were other numbers that would have factored into the situation that would have made the number much higher.

I assume with the new contract the $1.5 million is much higher and the other triggers are still in place.

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:28 pm**

Yawn....retread thought after overused joke.

kill: You really didn't just go...."we beat Micigan when they were ranked #3", did you?

Great.

<intro to VH1's Where are they Now?>

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:37 pm**

T REX wrote:Yawn....retread thought after overused joke.

kill: You really didn't just go...."we beat Micigan when they were ranked #3", did you?

Great.

<intro to VH1's Where are they Now?>

Yeah, because you said the only good decent teams they've played, they lost to. I would consider Michigan a better team than MSU, considering MSU is no where to be found and Michigan is back in the top 20-25. Can you honestly argue that Weis isn't doing more right now than Meyer? Set records aside, his team is playing much more consistant than the Gators.

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:39 pm**

Consistent does not equate to better. We just beat the number 10 team in the country. It's not over yet. Let's talk at the end of the year and you'll get my honest none homer opinion. If we play for a SEC title, then I will lean towards Meyer.

ND is artificially blown up in the media. Would you agree?

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:03 pm**

Artificial at #9? Perhaps. But I would put them up against any other 2 loss team in the country and I would expect them to win. ND has struggled offensively in exactly one game this year. The Gators have had trouble sustaining drives against LSU, 'Bama, Tennessee, and Georgia. 2 games you won, 2 games you lost.

If you want to talk at the end of the year, fine. If Notre Dame wins this weekend, they will be in the driver seat for a BCS bowl. This from a team that was expected, by the media, to be a .500 team.

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:18 pm**

I am not down playing what Weis has done by any means. But besides a very disappointing Michigan team, who have you beaten?

Forget Tennessee, they plain suck this year. The other three are all top 10. A lot of teams have trouble vs them.

Obviously, ND is exciting. Your defense? NINETY-SIXTH!!!!!!!!!!! Please. UF's defense would smother you. Everyone knows you have to have a great defense to win anything of import. Nice. Maybe he should spend some more time with the D. 96th? Come on.....

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp ... f&site=org

Five out of the top 12 are from the SEC including 3 of the top 5 in the country. I will always take a great defense over a great offense any day of the week. Most people polled in here would agree. Do you? If not, please explain.

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:49 pm**

Killian...I beg to differ..put them up against tOSU on the two loss deal...you may expect them to win but I doubt they would...

good debate though...we should start a new thread for us two loss programs...

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:28 pm**

Killian wrote:This from a team that was expected, by the media, to be a .500 team.

The media also thought that Michigan was the #3 team going into the season...

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:30 pm**

Weis's contract wouldnt stop me from recruiting negatively against Notre Dame. To a 17-18 year old High School kid what happened even as far back as the 80's is ancient history so most of those black and white pictures dont mean a whole lot. I would negatively recruit against Notre Dame by simply showing him the weather in South Bend from November to February, show the kid what sort of attractions Indiana holds for him. Then Id send someone around Notre Dames campus to take pics of all the fat ugly girls in ND paraphernalia and finally Id show the kid press clippings on all the catholic priests who have been accused of wrong doings with young boys and how the church has donemore to hide or cover up the problem than try to prosecute the whackos they employ in the backwards collars.
There are plenty of things for a savy recruiter to use against ND, Cheesesteak Charlie having a 10 year contract wouldnt stop it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:46 pm**

ND's defensive stats are slightly skewed due in part to teams such as Pitt, Washington, Purdue and BYU throwing the ball non stop in the second half because they were down by a lot of points. And most of those yards came on long sustained drives by the opposing offenses, taking time off the clock. They didn't give up big plays that allowed their opponets to get back in the game.

And while their total defense and passing defense seem bad, their 3rd down defense is excellent. Notre Dame is currently 15th in 3rd down conversions. Opponets are 29 out of 95 for 30.5%. And before the BYU game, ND opponets were 3 of 23 when it came to converting 3rd down chances.

So while the overall stats may not look good, the defense has stopped teams when it has mattered, with one notable exception.

And please leave conjecture out of this argument. You have no idea if UF's defense would "smother" ND and if you want to play that game, the evidence is to the contrary. Two teams that are well behind ND in total offense did extreemly well against the Gators.

As far as offense vs. defense goes, you're right that you do win with defense. But I think its also easier to hide defensive deficiencies with a great offense than vice versa. ND may not have a great defense this year, but they have one that will keep them in games and create turnovers, with the help of their offense.

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:48 pm**

buckeye_in_sc wrote:Killian...I beg to differ..put them up against tOSU on the two loss deal...you may expect them to win but I doubt they would...

good debate though...we should start a new thread for us two loss programs...

Obviously you expect OSU to win. You should. Just as I would expect ND to win. That's what makes this fun.

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:53 pm**

SoCalTrjn wrote:Weis's contract wouldnt stop me from recruiting negatively against Notre Dame. To a 17-18 year old High School kid what happened even as far back as the 80's is ancient history so most of those black and white pictures dont mean a whole lot. I would negatively recruit against Notre Dame by simply showing him the weather in South Bend from November to February, show the kid what sort of attractions Indiana holds for him. Then Id send someone around Notre Dames campus to take pics of all the fat ugly girls in ND paraphernalia and finally Id show the kid press clippings on all the catholic priests who have been accused of wrong doings with young boys and how the church has donemore to hide or cover up the problem than try to prosecute the whackos they employ in the backwards collars.
There are plenty of things for a savy recruiter to use against ND, Cheesesteak Charlie having a 10 year contract wouldnt stop it.

Right, because all that stuff works against Michigan and OSU? And exactly how many priests teach at Notre Dame, and how does the scandal in the Boston Arch-Dioceses have anything to do with the CSC?

But I guess if ND was going after a kid, head to head, with 'SC, they could show him pictures of Compton, OJ, etc.

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:57 pm**

If ND thinks that towns in So Cal are so bad then they shouldnt recruit kids from So Cal.

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:00 pm**

SoCalTrjn wrote: I would negatively recruit against Notre Dame by simply showing him the weather in South Bend from November to February, show the kid what sort of attractions Indiana holds for him. Then Id send someone around Notre Dames campus to take pics of all the fat ugly girls in ND paraphernalia and finally Id show the kid press clippings on all the catholic priests who have been accused of wrong doings with young boys and how the church has donemore to hide or cover up the problem than try to prosecute the whackos they employ in the backwards collars.
There are plenty of things for a savy recruiter to use against ND, Cheesesteak Charlie having a 10 year contract wouldnt stop it.

While not entirely truthful, very very funny.

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:05 pm**

SoCalTrjn wrote:If ND thinks that towns in So Cal are so bad then they shouldnt recruit kids from So Cal.

Does that mean you don't think Jarrett and White should play? Or that if Booty beats out Sanchez next year, you won't pull for USC? After all, they aren't playing kids from Cali.

That's the dumbest fucking argument I've ever heard in my entire life.

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:08 pm**

thing is USC wasnt using pictures of Brunswick, Shreveport or Denver as a reason to not go to the schools near there, they used the city of LA as one of the reasons to come to USC.
You said you would use pics of Southern California cities as a reason to get a kid to not go to USC, so I said to not recruit So Cal kids if you dont like So Cal cities

Posted: **Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:13 pm**

No, I specifically stated Compton. And a So Cal kid would know the area, a kid not living in California would not.

I guess by your logic, 'SC shouldn't recruit kids who may be interested in the mid-west.

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Weis Signs 10-Year Extension

Weis Signs 10-Year Extension