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I say, "Hell yes!"

What a pussay. Resigning over a little "smack" from the Globe?

WHO'S-YOUR-DADDY!?

Pedro gone last year...
Theo and probably Manny gone this year...

Red Sox Nation is crumbling.

Yes it matters because now there's a very good chance that the current Blue Jays GM will be moving on to Boston.
Riccardi to the Red Sox
Epstein to the Dodgers or Phillies
Pat Gillick comes home to the Jays.

Otis wrote:Yes it matters because now there's a very good chance that the current Blue Jays GM will be moving on to Boston.
Riccardi to the Red Sox
Epstein to the Dodgers or Phillies
Pat Gillick comes home to the Jays.

Gillick may be coming to the Phillies.. not that I want him. He generally leaves the cabinets bare when he leaves.

I would much prefer Huntzinger. Epstein wouldn't like to work for the Phillies.

iT DOESN'T MATTER.

Bizzarofelice wrote:iT DOESN'T MATTER.

Actually, the players loved him because he was their age and was easy to talk to. Don't forget about wrapping up the Schilling deal by doing Thanksgiving at his house in Arizona. Not sure how many people could have pulled that off. Schilling was on WEEI yesterday and said there would be backlash if this deal wasn't consummated. He'll be missed. Watch for Francona to be shown the door after new GM is named. Domino effect. This will have consequences.

Snooze Baton wrote:

Bizzarofelice wrote:iT DOESN'T MATTER.

Watch for Francona to be shown the door

You say this as if it were a bad thing. He his a horrible manager.

jiminphilly wrote:You say this as if it were a bad thing

:roll:

Actually, I was "saying" this to demonstrate:

Snooze Baton wrote:This will have consequences.

Show me where I said it was either good or bad.

Go fuck yourself.

Snooze Baton wrote:

jiminphilly wrote:You say this as if it were a bad thing

:roll:

Actually, I was "saying" this to demonstrate:

Snooze Baton wrote:This will have consequences.

Show me where I said it was either good or bad.

Go fuck yourself.

Time of the month again?

Who the fuck cares if Francona is let go. He is a horrible manager. If that is the most serious consequence than it's not that big a deal, is it?

jiminphilly wrote:Who the fuck cares if Francona is let go. He is a horrible manager. If that is the most serious consequence than it's not that big a deal, is it?

Listen fool, changing one's manager IS a big deal... especially seeing as how he's one year removed from capturing the city's first WS title in 86 years. Agree that he sucks and needs to go... however, it would be MAJOR news in this town. In the last week, the Asst GM and GM have decided not to return for 06, and Manny has once again demanded to be traded or he'll "sit out all of spring training". It's turning into a zoo here. Add in Tito being fired by new GM and who knows what the fuck will happen? The Red Sox will definitely have a different 1B, 3B, 2B, and CF to open the season in 06 than they did in 05. Probably a new LF too. They're totally changing the face of the organization. It's news. It's a consequence. If Theo stayed, I guarantee you that Tito would still be here as well. The new GM and manager will have input on new personel decisions for 06. There's a huge domino effect about to happen. Let me know when you finally catch up, mmmkay? :roll:

Snooze Baton wrote:

jiminphilly wrote:Who the fuck cares if Francona is let go. He is a horrible manager. If that is the most serious consequence than it's not that big a deal, is it?

Listen fool, changing one's manager IS a big deal... especially seeing as how he's one year removed from capturing the city's first WS title in 86 years. Agree that he sucks and needs to go... however, it would be MAJOR news in this town. In the last week, the Asst GM and GM have decided not to return for 06, and Manny has once again demanded to be traded or he'll "sit out all of spring training". It's turning into a zoo here. Add in Tito being fired by new GM and who knows what the fuck will happen? The Red Sox will definitely have a different 1B, 3B, 2B, and CF to open the season in 06 than they did in 05. Probably a new LF too. They're totally changing the face of the organization. It's news. It's a consequence. If Theo stayed, I guarantee you that Tito would still be here as well. The new GM and manager will have input on new personel decisions for 06. There's a huge domino effect about to happen. Let me know when you finally catch up, mmmkay? :roll:

There are those who say the Red Sox won the WS inspite of Tito, not because of. I have lived through a couple years of Tito. I know how bad a manager he is. Schilling likes him because Schilling gets to decide when he leaves a game. All those changes you mentioned are dramatic changes, no doubt. But changing this manager won't be the biggest loss for this team. In terms of dominoes, losing Tito might be the last one to fall. He is the least important cog to that team. All I am saying is while the loss of Theo will be dramatic to this team, leave the loss of Tito out of it. The Sox are better off without him, regardless if Theo had stayed or not.

jiminphilly wrote:There are those who say the Red Sox won the WS inspite of Tito, not because of. I have lived through a couple years of Tito. I know how bad a manager he is.

The Sox are better off without him, regardless if Theo had stayed or not.

So... what you're saying is the loss of Tito will greatly affect the team... addition by subtraction. Glad we're on the same page. Way to KYOA.:roll:

Snooze Baton wrote:

jiminphilly wrote:There are those who say the Red Sox won the WS inspite of Tito, not because of. I have lived through a couple years of Tito. I know how bad a manager he is.

The Sox are better off without him, regardless if Theo had stayed or not.

So... what you're saying is the loss of Tito will greatly affect the team... addition by subtraction. Glad we're on the same page. Way to KYOA.:roll:

No what I am saying is that Tito is a non-factor. The team was winning regardless of Tito. Last I checked they were in contention for the playoffs and won 95 games. I'm not so sure replacing him will get them any more wins.

When the Phillies let Bowa go, the Phillies made it seem like his managing style was holding the Phillies back from playing to their potential and winning more ball games. They hired Uncle Charlie and guess what happened? The players said the locker room was more fun, there was less pressure and yet they only won 2 more games.

So changing a manager isn't going to dramatically alter the Sox. Changing the roster will.

Like I said, losing Tito won't mean a hill of beans in the overall picture.

jiminphilly wrote:Like I said, losing Tito won't mean a hill of beans in the overall picture.

I see... so if Tito played Papelbon, Hansen, DelCarmen, Yukelis, et al... benched Millar, Bellhorn, et al earlier the Sox still wouldn't have won the World Series this year?? If Tito had the balls not to put up with Manny's shit and bench the fucker for goofing off and didn't make a litany of strategic mistakes, the Sox wouldn't have repeated? Could all of these mistakes not be repeated next year? If Tito's not there next year, Schilling won't make huge waves in the offseason and demand a trade?? Tito was a player's manager... if there's a disciplinarian running the team next year, it'll be status quo in 06 Beantown?

Are you for real... or do realize you're pissing all over yourself and just don't give a shit?????????

Are you 'trolling' me?

While I wish Theo would have satyed I am really not that upset. They will bring somebody else in here who will continue the job. Their farm system is being re-stocked and they will continue to spend enough money to be competitive.

Yankee fan meanwhile has a 200+ million dollar payroll, and no farm system to speak of. I for one like our position much better......

Neely8 wrote:Yankee fan meanwhile has a 200+ million dollar payroll

Typical Sux fan... why must the Yankees be brought into every discussion?? Your disease is sickening. At least talk about how the Yanks just signed Cashman and how the meddling Tampa contigent is comparable to the Sox triumverate or some shit. Jeeze.

Neely8 wrote:
Yankee fan

has 'BODE. Again.


Nobody other than you pathetic chowd cunts brought them up in this thread about Theo Epstein. Way to go, dipshits.

meanwhile has a 200+ million dollar payroll, and no farm system to speak of. I for one like our position much better......

You like the position of having 7 titles-6 of which you would need Jesus Christ himself to identify, against 26 titles of a team who recently finished being a fucking dynasty?

Christ you red sux fans are the fucking height of retardation in modern society.


Only 85 more years to go until your next one, bitches.

Will we still be here to see if that happens, James?
(sig bet?)

Word!

I was absolutely shocked after reading that this AM. Just yesterday, I saw one of my buddys @ the gym and informed him with this greeting.
Ay Scott. They signed Theo! 3 yrs, 4 mill or so.
His reply: Should've got it done sooner!

I woke up shaking my head.
WTF now??!!

The important thing here is that Henry, Lucchino & Werner are still there and still care about winning... which is more than one can say about the previous ownership/management.

Epstein made some great moves, no doubt. Somebody (Towers?) will step up.

1st order of b'nezz.....sign...err...get Damon MRI'ed then sign, but don't sacrifice the future. Little Pappy is gonna be the next big thing in Boston.
he'll need help in that rotation.

Sox are gonna be aiight.

Toddowen, you can go back to practicing your tattooing prowess on your mom, now.

First, This is not over yet!!

Theo is a negotiator. He made sure that the ball stops in HIS court.

He may still sign, when the Sox make another offer (Monday morning).

If Theo does not accept any deal and leaves. Yes, this hurts.

The players liked him, he was the right age for players to understand him and listen.

The Sox have many key player decisions to make this off season and a new GM won't understand what's really needed (which means Lucchino will make those decisions..)


It's funny because the talk and thought was that Theo would be with the Sox for a long time and Cashman would jettison from the Yankees ASAP!!

Cashman stays and Theo goes.... WOW!!!

Another interesting spin on this THEO story is the Media conflict of interest..

The Sox are 18% owned by the Boston Globe (which is owned by the NY Times). WEEI (BoSox Radio Home) is also a part owner of the Sox..

Which means you can never trust these media outlets because everything is slanted toward management...

They portrayed NOMAR as a Serial Killer, Pedro as a Greedy Has been, Roger Clemens as WASHED UP, Manny as CANCER and Theo as (we will have to wait to see how they portray him)

You never get the players (or anyone that leaves)' point of view (Except Schilling)...

There will be a HUGE MEDIA fallout from this story!!!

but in the end... The Sox will make the playoffs in 2006..

Raydah James wrote:

Neely8 wrote:
Yankee fan

has 'BODE. Again.


Nobody other than you pathetic chowd cunts brought them up in this thread about Theo Epstein. Way to go, dipshits.

meanwhile has a 200+ million dollar payroll, and no farm system to speak of. I for one like our position much better......

You like the position of having 7 titles-6 of which you would need Jesus Christ himself to identify, against 26 titles of a team who recently finished being a fucking dynasty?

Christ you red sux fans are the fucking height of retardation in modern society.


Only 85 more years to go until your next one, bitches.

Actually Tardowen brought them up earlier in this thread. I guess I should have quoted him in my post.

Jack----WEEI is the Sox radio home but they have no ownership stake in the Sox like the Globe does. The only relationship for them is the money they pay to the Sox to broadcast the games. They have been ripping management up and down all week......

Neely8 wrote:Actually Tardowen brought them up earlier in this thread.

Toddowen is a pile-on troll. A troll. He admits to smoking crack and being gay. Do you reaallllllyyy think someone would seriously admit to such offenses??

Everytime you respond to a Toddowen post you KYOA. Good going, fatty. :roll:

Snooze Baton wrote:

Neely8 wrote:Actually Tardowen brought them up earlier in this thread.

Toddowen is a pile-on troll. A troll. He admits to smoking crack and being gay. Do you reaallllllyyy think someone would seriously admit to such offenses??

Everytime you respond to a Toddowen post you KYOA. Good going, fatty. :roll:

I lost my handbook on who is what around here. Im glad you spend enough time around here to know......

Don't let the door hit you in the arse, you fukkin' whelp. You just walked away from the best gig you will ever have.

I am glap lil' theo is gone. Last year he made one damn good trade. He traded Nomahhh for 2 of the biggest reasons they won it, Cabrerra and Roberts. He then let both of them walk.

Hey, theo. Why don't you take Terry with you. He sux.

wtf!



http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/

Who didn't see this coming? It was a matter before Manny would drop his trade demand and Theo would return to the Sox.

I don't know why the Indians are doing this but the Red Sox are close to getting Coco Crisp. It says it depends on if the Tribe can acquire another player first (Jason Michaels or Jeff Davanon). Damon put up better numbers than Crisp last year but he's got that potential to hit lead off in front and get on base in front of Lowell, Manny and Ortiz.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2301457

If the Sox can get Crisp, I think they improve themselves and save alot of $$$$.

Crisp is 26, will hit ~ .290 hit 16 hrs, steal 15 bases and strikeout 17% of the time. He covers about the same amount of field on defense and has a better throwing arm.

Damon is 32, will hit .290, hit 16 hrs, steal 15 bases and strikeout 14% of the time. He covers alot of ground and hustles his ASS off but has a very weak throwing arm.(Yankees are used to this from Bernie)


Damon will cost $12 million this year while Crisp will cost $ 3 million.

Johnny has proved himself to be consistent over the years while Crisp has only played for 2 years.

Everything being equal, I'd take Johnny for the next 2 years. Since the salary difference is ~ $8 million / year, I'd take Crisp in a heart beat. In 3 years, Crisp will still be on the rise, while Johnny will be in decline.

Let's see if Theo can make this deal happen. The Sox will likely have to give up Manny DelCarmen in place of Mota or even better..

will have to give up only Matt Clement to the Reds, have the Reds sent Kearns to Cleveland while Cleveland sends Crisp, Riske and Josh Bard to the 2006 World Series Champion Red Sox...

and the Red Sox will keep Marte, DelCarmen and other prospects..

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2305062