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Poll: Most Americans Say Bush Not Honest

By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer 11 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Two crucial pillars of
President Bush's public support — perceptions of his honesty and faith in his ability to fight terrorism — have slipped to their lowest point in the AP-Ipsos poll.

While the
CIA leak investigation, the mishandling of Hurricane Katrina and high energy costs have all taken their toll, the polling found the
Iraq war at the core of Americans' displeasure with the president.

All of those concerns are cutting into traditional Bush strengths.

Almost six in 10 now say Bush is not honest, and a similar number say his administration does not have high ethical standards.

During his re-election bid in 2004, Bush skillfully wove the public's trust of him and faith in his handling of the terror threat into a winning campaign over Democrat
John Kerry.

Now, 56 percent disapprove of the way Bush is handling foreign policy and the war on terrorism, the poll found. Overall, 37 percent approve of the job Bush is doing as president.

An AP-Ipsos poll last week asked people to state in their own words why they approve or disapprove of the way Bush was doing his job. Almost six in 10 disapproved, and they most frequently mentioned the war in Iraq — far ahead of the second issue, the economy.

"To use an unfortunate metaphor, Iraq is a roadside bomb in American politics," said Rich Bond, a former national Republican chairman.

Iraq has cast a cloud over Bush's public standing in general. The public's view of the likeability of the affable president has dropped from 63 percent in August to 52 percent now.

"The war is an overriding issue. Look at the body count on a daily basis," said Tom Rector, a Democrat from Spokane, Wash.

The president has vowed to stay the course in Iraq, bringing democracy to a country infested with terrorists and rocked by explosions almost daily.

The president gets credit from a majority of Americans for being strong and decisive, but he's also seen by an overwhelming number of people as "stubborn," a perception reinforced by his refusal to yield on issues like the Iraq war, tax cuts and support for staffers under intense pressure.

Eighty-two percent of those polled describe Bush as "stubborn," with seven of every 10 Republicans agreeing with that description.

Concern about the administration's ethics has been fueled by the controversy over flawed intelligence leading up to the Iraq war and the recent indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, top aide to Vice President
Dick Cheney. Libby was charged with perjury and obstruction of justice in the outing of CIA officer Valerie Plame, a scandal that touched other top officials in the administration.

That loss of trust complicates Bush's efforts to rebuild his standing with the public.

"Honesty is a huge issue because even people who disagreed with his policies respected his integrity," said Bruce Buchanan, a political scientist from the University of Texas.

Bush, who promised in the 2000 campaign to uphold "honor and integrity" in the White House, last week ordered White House workers, from presidential advisers to low-ranking aides, to attend ethics classes.

Some observers say they aren't impressed.

"It's like shutting the barn door after the horse escaped," said John Morrison, a Democrat who lives near Scranton, Pa.

Some Republicans are nervous about the GOP's political position.

"A lot of elected Republicans are running for the hills in the Northeast," Connecticut GOP strategist Chris DePino said after citing "a waterfall of missteps" by Republicans. Bush and the GOP must return to their message that the United States has been safe from terrorism during his administration, DePino said.

GOP pollster David Winston said Republicans are hoping the strength of the economy and the upcoming elections in Iraq can improve the public's mood about the administration.

Many of those who approve of Bush's job performance pointed to his Christian beliefs and strong values, the second biggest reason given for supporting him — after agreeing with his policies.

"I know he is a man of integrity and strong faith," said Fran Blaney, a Republican and an evangelical who lives near Hartford, Conn. "I've read that he prays every morning asking for God's guidance. He certainly is trying to do what he thinks he is supposed to do."

The poll of 1,000 adults was conducted Nov. 7-9 by Ipsos, an international polling firm, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

mvscal wrote:So what?

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote:So what?

I agree.

Too fucking bad, Demotraitors. Get over it, you lost.

Mikey wrote:

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote:So what?

I agree.

Too fucking bad, Demotraitors. Get over it, you lost.

Why do you hate Quebec?

Red Dick Wrote:
I love Quebec. It's Manitoba I loathe.

tough love wrote:

Red Dick Wrote:
I love Quebec. It's Manitoba I loathe.

Why do you loathe Indians?

Martyred wrote:

tough love wrote:

Red Dick Wrote:
I love Quebec. It's Manitoba I loathe.

Why do you loathe Indians?

Feather or dot?

Marty Wrote:
Feather or dot?

tough love wrote:

Marty Wrote:
Feather or dot?

You loathe a province you know nothing about?
That is so you.

Mb is also home to the second largest froggy population in Canada, if Quebec is still part of Canada that is...It's hard to keep track of what's what with those people...Seriously; are they Canadian this week?

Charest has long complained about a so-called fiscal imbalance between what Quebec taxpayers contribute to the federal treasury and what is returned in transfers for social and other programs.

Mister Bushice wrote:You know, you canadian guys are sort of ruining my Bush Smacking thread.

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote:So what?

I agree.

tough love wrote:^^^If that's the best you can come up with Marty, me thinks you are still in retirement.

Charest has long complained about a so-called fiscal imbalance between what Quebec taxpayers contribute to the federal treasury and what is returned in transfers for social and other programs.

He of all people should know that someone has to cover the corruption.

Related:


I see; Eastern Canada's New Glorified Wal_Mart Greeter, is getting banged around a whole bunch.
First her very own sister craps on her in the froggy press, and now the War Vets of Canada turn their backs on her at a public ceremony.

Real Good Choice There, Pockets...

As for Quebec voting in Libby Power any time soon...The poutine people will be seperated before that ever happens.

And;

























Stay tf outta our thread Bushice.

Otis Wrote:
Actually, we could use a 100 or more Canadians in here? What say you tl, Hap? Feel like bringing in some more Canadian content?

tough love wrote:THEY ARE ALL LYING HYPOCRITES.

I hate to come across soft but I actually feel sorry for your new cute Gov. Greeter.
Poor useless pretty thing must be feeling pretty god awful aboot all the libby hate which is being collectively projected her way.
Can't see her putting up with that crap much longer, can you?

If the Alliance made it worth THEIR while, Quebec for Quebec would vote Conservitard a whole lot sooner then the Fibbys will ever realize.
Martin could promise them the Bank of Canada (which I notice he is busy doing all about) and they would still piss on his grave.
Nahhh, it's gonna be goners for those leeches before the Fiberrrs ever get love there again.

tough love wrote:

Otis Wrote:
Actually, we could use a 100 or more Canadians in here? What say you tl, Hap? Feel like bringing in some more Canadian content?

More is Good

tough love wrote:^
Either one, or both...Bring 'Em On... :twisted:


WOOHOO!!!
QUEBEC -- André Boisclair won a decisive victory on the first ballot last night to become the new Parti Québécois Leader, and immediately expressed his intention to rally supporters toward an election victory and eventual Quebec sovereignty.

GO quebec

However, at least one dog and a houseplant registered to vote, according to a source in one of the leadership campaigns.

Pixelle Daoust, a long-haired Chihuahua, and a plant called Gilbert Laplante were able to register as PQ members and received all the necessary credentials needed to cast a telephone vote, according to the source. The dog even received a birthday card recently from interim party leader Louise Harel. (For the record, Pixelle voted for Mr. Boisclair, and the plant for the environmentalist candidate Mr. Ouimet).

"The system is riddled with potential fraudulent practices that are difficult to monitor," said the source, who asked not to be identified.

The party says it has taken every precaution to prevent tampering with the voting system, asserting it is foolproof. But there are a growing number of incidents that point to a potential scandal, though no immediate complaints were filed following the results Tuesday.

Hapday wrote:I am curious to see the PQ reaction when they find out the rest of Canada doesn't give a flying fuck if they leave this time around. That is the biggest wrench you could throw in their "we'll seperate if Ottawa doesn't send us a blank cheque" routine. You can only cry wolf so many times...

Hapday Wrote:
I am curious to see the PQ reaction when they find out the rest of Canada doesn't give a flying fuck if they leave this time around. That is the biggest wrench you could throw in their "we'll seperate if Ottawa doesn't send us a blank cheque" routine. You can only cry wolf so many times...

Sats Wpg Free Press Wrote:

Quebec will get more.
Montreal - Quebec will get upwards of 500 mil more in federal transfer payments next year.
Lapierre, the Liberals Quebec lientenant, said the increase results from a deal reached earlier in the day between PM Matin and Premier Charest.

tough love wrote:
We can expect Martin to continue to sell out the rest of the country to try and keep those leeches around.
Without quebec, the Libby's would become meaningless to the many canadian idiots who believe that quebec is relevant to Canada's survival. These morons who keep the grand corruptors alive actually view the Fiberals as the great seperati$t tamers or some shit like that.

tough love wrote:Politics make for strange bedfellows, and you two are getting way to chummy. :wink:




Come the next election:
Quebec; rather then vote Libby, will vote for a Cokehead.

How does that make you feel, Otis?

:)

Brison apologizes to Harper
Last Updated Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:02:32 EST
CBC News

Stephen Harper has accepted the apology of Public Works Minister Scott Brison who had claimed the Conservative leader engaged in illegal lobbying as president of the National Citizens Coalition.

Brison had said Harper operated as an unregistered lobbyist, that his past was littered with examples of questionable if not illegal behaviour and that the coalition was charged with breaking Canada's Elections Act six times.

Brison made the statements in a news release after Harper unveiled his party's anti-corruption proposals earlier this month.

But in the House of Commons Monday, Brison said: "I now understand [the allegations] to be untrue."

Harper and coalition vice-president Gerry Nicholls had threatened legal action against Brison.

Brison had withdrawn the accusations in an e-mail to Nicholls and in a letter to Harper.

But neither was satisfied with Brison's apology and wanted the accusations withdrawn in the Commons.

Liberals make flurry of spending announcements as government set to fall

OTTAWA (CP) - The minority Liberals were preparing a flurry of big-ticket spending announcements Monday with their government expected to fall within a week.

Millions in labour-training deals with the provinces; billions for a softwood-lumber bailout package; $4.6 billion for new military equipment; and $46 million to help Daimler Chrysler with automobile research and for refurbishing its assembly plant in Windsor, Ont.

Hapday wrote:At least one gLiberal admits they are a liar:

Brison apologizes to Harper
Last Updated Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:02:32 EST
CBC News

Stephen Harper has accepted the apology of Public Works Minister Scott Brison who had claimed the Conservative leader engaged in illegal lobbying as president of the National Citizens Coalition.

Brison had said Harper operated as an unregistered lobbyist, that his past was littered with examples of questionable if not illegal behaviour and that the coalition was charged with breaking Canada's Elections Act six times.

Brison made the statements in a news release after Harper unveiled his party's anti-corruption proposals earlier this month.

But in the House of Commons Monday, Brison said: "I now understand [the allegations] to be untrue."

Harper and coalition vice-president Gerry Nicholls had threatened legal action against Brison.

Brison had withdrawn the accusations in an e-mail to Nicholls and in a letter to Harper.

But neither was satisfied with Brison's apology and wanted the accusations withdrawn in the Commons.

Thanks Sssssssccccccchhhhhhhhhcott Brissssssshhhhhhhon.

Hapday wrote:I also find it funny how the gLiberal continually accused Harper of being a war monger when, during the last election, he suggested doing this as well:

Liberals make flurry of spending announcements as government set to fall

OTTAWA (CP) - The minority Liberals were preparing a flurry of big-ticket spending announcements Monday with their government expected to fall within a week.

Millions in labour-training deals with the provinces; billions for a softwood-lumber bailout package; $4.6 billion for new military equipment; and $46 million to help Daimler Chrysler with automobile research and for refurbishing its assembly plant in Windsor, Ont.

Otis wrote:

Hapday wrote:At least one gLiberal admits they are a liar:

Brison apologizes to Harper
Last Updated Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:02:32 EST
CBC News

Stephen Harper has accepted the apology of Public Works Minister Scott Brison who had claimed the Conservative leader engaged in illegal lobbying as president of the National Citizens Coalition.

Brison had said Harper operated as an unregistered lobbyist, that his past was littered with examples of questionable if not illegal behaviour and that the coalition was charged with breaking Canada's Elections Act six times.

Brison made the statements in a news release after Harper unveiled his party's anti-corruption proposals earlier this month.

But in the House of Commons Monday, Brison said: "I now understand [the allegations] to be untrue."

Harper and coalition vice-president Gerry Nicholls had threatened legal action against Brison.

Brison had withdrawn the accusations in an e-mail to Nicholls and in a letter to Harper.

But neither was satisfied with Brison's apology and wanted the accusations withdrawn in the Commons.

Thanks Sssssssccccccchhhhhhhhhcott Brissssssshhhhhhhon.

Brison might have taken back his accusations, but that doesn't make them any less true.

But in the House of Commons Monday, Brison said: "I now understand [the allegations] to be untrue."

Hapday wrote:

Otis wrote:

Hapday wrote:At least one gLiberal admits they are a liar:
Thanks Sssssssccccccchhhhhhhhhcott Brissssssshhhhhhhon.

Brison might have taken back his accusations, but that doesn't make them any less true.

But in the House of Commons Monday, Brison said: "I now understand [the allegations] to be untrue."

Dumbass.