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Where will T.O. end up playing???
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:34 pm
by Cosmo Kramer
Next season and the remaining games of this season?
I don't think that the Packers are interested, but who knows.
Re: Where will T.O. end up playing???
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:02 am
by frodo_biguns
Cosmo Kramer wrote:Next season and the remaining games of this season?
I don't think that the Packers are interested, but who knows.
Hopefully for the Packers. I'd love to see that jasckass in Green and Gold! Packer fans would be dropping the "N" bomb more than ever. It's one thing I can't stand about Packer fans, especially up north. THey used to say shit like at least "We'll never have a ni22er for a coach or qb." It's like they forgot Ray Rhodes. Wait.. they ran him out of town after one year.
As far as T.O. is concerened here are the places he will end up in order: He won't have as much leverage on going to a winning team now since he fucked up.
New York Jets - Close to home
Denver Broncos - "The Rat" would love Owens vs. Raiders & Moss
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Chucky knows how to handle T.O.
Buffalo Bills - Moulds in his 10th year, Losman would thrive with Owens
Re: Where will T.O. end up playing???
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:17 am
by Louis Cyphre
frodo_biguns wrote:Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Chucky knows how to handle T.O.
Like he did with Key Johnson?
Re: Where will T.O. end up playing???
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:31 am
by Cosmo Kramer
frodo_biguns wrote:Cosmo Kramer wrote:Next season and the remaining games of this season?
I don't think that the Packers are interested, but who knows.
Hopefully for the Packers. I'd love to see that jasckass in Green and Gold! Packer fans would be dropping the "N" bomb more than ever. It's one thing I can't stand about Packer fans, especially up north. THey used to say shit like at least "We'll never have a ni22er for a coach or qb." It's like they forgot Ray Rhodes. Wait.. they ran him out of town after one year.
As far as T.O. is concerened here are the places he will end up in order: He won't have as much leverage on going to a winning team now since he fucked up.
New York Jets - Close to home
Denver Broncos - "The Rat" would love Owens vs. Raiders & Moss
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Chucky knows how to handle T.O.
Buffalo Bills - Moulds in his 10th year, Losman would thrive with Owens
And the PornQueens did so good with Moss
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:58 am
by The Assassin
He'll be in Dallas.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:15 am
by Joe in PB
Denver makes the most sense to me. Rod Smith is 99 years old & Lelie is a puss. Rumor had Randy Moss going to Denver before Al slid in and stole the show. Plus one thing we do know is the Rat isn't afraid to take a chance on questionable players with upside (see brownie D-line and M Clarrett).
Re: Where will T.O. end up playing???
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:38 am
by T REX
Louis Cyphre wrote:frodo_biguns wrote:Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Chucky knows how to handle T.O.
Like he did with Key Johnson?
Meshawn is a joke. Dumped his ass. Gruden would NEVER take that piece of crap in the locker room. It's chucky's world. No room for a prima donna asswipe.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:15 pm
by Cicero
Atlanta
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:35 pm
by Cross Traffic
The arbitration hearing took 14 1/2 hours?!? Even if he is reinstated, he will be watching games from the press box.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:48 pm
by Joe in PB
Cicero wrote:Atlanta
Despite what Vick has said about playing with TO, I seriously doubt Mora wants anything to do with him. Remember he was the defensive coordinator in SF when TO was throwing tantrums there. Also Falcons owner Arthur Blank has stated more than once that he has no interest in bringing TO to Atlanta because he’s likes the team chemistry as it is.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:51 pm
by KC Scott
He's not coming back this season.
The Eagles will deactivate him after the suspension is over. They are trying to make a statement - same as Gruden did with Meshawn.
I could see him with the Jets, Bronco's, Cardinals (If Green isn't fired) or cowboys next season
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:58 pm
by Joe in PB
KC Scott wrote:
I could see him with the Jets, Bronco's, Cardinals (If Green isn't fired) or cowboys next season
Agreed. Although I'm not sure he'll end up with the Jets if Herm Edwards leaves.
What about KC if Herm ends up the HC there?
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:11 pm
by Felix
Joe in PB wrote:Denver makes the most sense to me.
I don't want that self-centered, egotistical, head-up-his ass lockerroom cancer anywhere near Invesco. Smith may be getting old, but he's everything that T.O. is not, and he's a team leader.
No doubt you're right though, Shannahan has a big enough ego that he probably thinks he could "handle" T.O.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:51 pm
by JHawkBCD
KC Scott wrote:I could see him with the Jets, Bronco's, Cardinals (If Green isn't fired) or cowboys next season
Only if one of those teams have top flight QB's next season, which none of them currently do.
Owens is making a push to match up with the QB's that are most likely to inflate his stats. Hence the Brett Favre comment that he made a couple weeks back. He saw McNabb in that light originally, when he cried like a bitch over being dealt to Baltimore... he wanted to go to Philly all along... but the lovin' feelin' went away pretty fast once he got there.
I wouldn't be shocked to see him land in Carolina with Delhomme throwing to him, since the teams with the elite QB's (Colts & Patriots) wouldn't have any interest in his shit. Carolina has an injury-prone Steve Smith leading their receiving corps, and Keary Colbert ain't panning out so well (DeShaun Foster is 2nd on the team behind Smith in receiving???).
Denver doesn't make much sense to me only because of the league-wide perception that Jake Plummer is a fucking dumbass.
Same thing with Atlanta... he won't stand for Vick taking the spotlight & tucking the ball for a run when he "should be throwing the rock to T.O."
Buffalo? You think he'd put up with Losman "learning on the job"? Bwah.
Tampa Bay? No QB. No stats for T.O.
Jets? If Pennington doesn't find his arm again, the Jets are going to have to find another QB, and once again, T.O. ain't gonna ride well in a rebuilding ship.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:09 pm
by Joe in PB
Jhawk you make it sound like TO has a lot of choices.
Truth is he doesn't and will have to take whatever he can get. Assuming Philly even releases him. What if the Eagles decide to keep him and never activate him next year? It could happen. Or if the Eagles decide to trade him he'll have no say at all. If the Eagles do trade him he'll most likely end up in the AFC, and certainly not with the Cowboys or Atlanta.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:50 pm
by JHawkBCD
Joe in PB wrote:Jhawk you make it sound like TO has a lot of choices.
Reading comprehension isn't your strongest suit, I take it?
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:16 pm
by Joe in PB
Only if one of those teams have top flight QB's next season, which none of them currently do.
Any point you were trying to make concerning who is playing at QB for teams that TO would approve of, makes no difference since TO really has no say.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:19 pm
by JHawkBCD
Joe in PB wrote:Any point you were trying to make concerning who is playing at QB for teams that TO would approve of, makes no difference since TO really has no say.
Yeah, that attitude worked really well for San Francisco and Baltimore, didn't it?
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:27 pm
by Joe in PB
Since TO isn't a FA it's not likely an arbitrator will bale him out again as long as Philly is paying his salary.
Just like TO has zero chance to play any more this season. The ruling next week concerns only how long his suspension will be, and how much Philly will end up paying TO to stay away. An arbitrator I don’t believe has the power to make the Eagles cut TO or trade him, as long as they’re paying him per his contract.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:54 pm
by JHawkBCD
Joe in PB wrote:An arbitrator I don’t believe has the power to make the Eagles cut TO or trade him, as long as they’re paying him per his contract.
The suspension pretty much was Philly's way of saying "we're not paying you for these games you're suspended for".
And if you think an arbitrator's going to feel compassion for Philly, think again. Arbitrators are lawyers, just like Drew Rosenhaus & the other agents.
My prediction is that the arbitrator forces Philly to cut him in exchange for some salary cap relief for Philly.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:08 pm
by Joe in PB
The arbitrator doesn't have that power. He only can decide how long TO's suspension is going to be, and ultimately how much the Eagles will have to pay him this season.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2229263
The line of questioning was focused on reducing the length of the suspension, and not the Eagles' move to deactivate Owens for the rest of the season, sources said.
The players' association wants Philadelphia to release Owens if he's not going to be reinstated after his suspension is over.
Just not going to happen. This might though.
Philadelphia most likely would make a decision on Owens -- either releasing or trading him -- by next March, when he is due to receive a $5 million roster bonus.
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:22 am
by Felix
JHawkBCD wrote:
My prediction is that the arbitrator forces Philly to cut him in exchange for some salary cap relief for Philly.
and you'd be wrong.
joe had it right, TO is done for the season.....
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:18 am
by jackass007
do you know how easy it would be for TO to play this year? All he has to do is give back 3/4 of his signing bounus, and the Eagles will release him..
I don't see why he wouldn't do that. He'd grab a quick 1 year deal with somebody, and be free next year for a huge payday.
I'd be a little surprised if he didn't go back and play for the Eagles this year. Players are starting to talk about having him back.
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:20 am
by jackass007
one other thing is I bet the Colts are praying TO doesn't end up in Denver.
That would push them right over the Colts this year.
Re: Where will T.O. end up playing???
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:53 am
by Mike the Lab Rat
frodo_biguns wrote:Buffalo Bills - Moulds in his 10th year, Losman would thrive with Owens
There's never been anything in the previous history of the Bills to indicate that they'd go and bring in a proven bad seed/head case/team cancer like TO. Their history is one of getting players who seem like great guys at the outset and then become problems....e.g. Doug Flutie, Bruce Smith...
TO in Buffalo would never happen.
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:55 am
by KC Scott
Anyone who thinks TO will play for the Eagles again knows so little about the situation, they shouldn't even comment.
(not that knowing what your talking about has ever been a prerequisite for offering an opinion in here)
What will decide who gives TO a one year contract, and make no mistake it will be a one year contract, after he is cut. The Eagles will probably also wait to cut him so the cap hit for his bonus gets spread into the 2006 season.
TO give back 75% - BWahahahahahahaha
There's no fucking way becuse he knows thats money he'll never make again.
As for prospective teams that would take a chance on a one year, It's gotta be a coach with a high tolerance for bullshit and an owner who's desperate enough to risk letting him destroy team Chemistry.
Bolan, Jones and Dan Snyder would head that list, but since Gibbs is in DC, that ain't gonna happen.
Bidwell is an idiot, so he's a likely candidate and Edwards mentioned he'd take a chance on TO, though I have no idea who Woody Johnson is or what he'd think about it.
If Edwards lands in KC, there's no way Lamar and Peterson even consider TO.
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:50 pm
by BBMarley
jackass007 wrote:one other thing is I bet the Colts are praying TO doesn't end up in Denver.
That would push them right over the Colts this year.
No it wouldn't- they would def be alot closer- but Indy would still have the advantage over Denver in respect to the running game, field leadership (Peyton can read offenses and run that O better than Plummer), Receivers (Harrison, Wayne, Stokely & Clark still better than TO, Smith, Lelie & Putzier), Pass Rush, Coaching...
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:02 pm
by Felix
BBMarley wrote:
No it wouldn't- they would def be alot closer- but Indy would still have the advantage over Denver in respect to the running game...
Huh?
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:05 pm
by Tiny
As a Colt fan, I'm more worried about my own team, than the cancer he could be to the Donks. Whoever he signs with, is in trouble. Maybe not in the short run, (honeymoon period) but still in trouble non-the-less.
My big concern:
The way everyone seems to be stroking the Colts here lately, I've yet to see the Offense do anything spectacular yet. Payton says that he has had to rely on the short game, as after last year's passing stats; he's not getting any long routes to open up in time. I agree, but this offense wasn't built for ball/clock control. In my opinion, they have yet to really hit a groove....but I’m still waiting patiently. Damn it.
The defense, although better, is still our glaring weakness. The DB's are more physical, but they still have to learn how to tackle in the open field.
The D-line is a good pass rush, but that just makes them more vulnerable to the draw, or basically any run up the middle. By the time the back hits the line, our “speed rushers” have already blown past him, and the LB’s are left to cover the holes. By this time, he’s already gained 2-3 yards, and since they still struggle with tackling, then he’ll get a couple more before they bring him down. It doesn’t take much for teams to figure out that they can pick up between 4-8 yards per run, especially in passing situations.
There’s still time, but the window for “maturity” of this team is closing fast. I’m hoping the considerably tougher second half schedule will bring them back to reality.
16-0?? No fucking way. They’ll be lucky to go 13-3. I just hope the losses in the regular season will teach them valuable lessons for the post season run.
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:19 pm
by BBMarley
Felix wrote:BBMarley wrote:
No it wouldn't- they would def be alot closer- but Indy would still have the advantage over Denver in respect to the running game...
Huh?
Denver (Anderson & Bell)- 975 yards on 246 attempts, 3.9 YPC, 10 TD
Indy (Edge)- 1027 yardson 223 attempts, 4.6 YPC, 9 TD's.
James is more productive as a single RB on an offense that is throwing the ball and average 12 times more a game than Denver. He gets more yards on less attempts than both Anderson & bell combined. Plus they still have a proven 1000 yard rusher backing him up in Rhoades who has only seen 27 touches this year.
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:22 pm
by BBMarley
Tiny wrote:As a Colt fan, I'm more worried about my own team, than the cancer he could be to the Donks. Whoever he signs with, is in trouble. Maybe not in the short run, (honeymoon period) but still in trouble non-the-less.
My big concern:
The way everyone seems to be stroking the Colts here lately, I've yet to see the Offense do anything spectacular yet. Payton says that he has had to rely on the short game, as after last year's passing stats; he's not getting any long routes to open up in time. I agree, but this offense wasn't built for ball/clock control. In my opinion, they have yet to really hit a groove....but I’m still waiting patiently. Damn it.
The defense, although better, is still our glaring weakness. The DB's are more physical, but they still have to learn how to tackle in the open field.
The D-line is a good pass rush, but that just makes them more vulnerable to the draw, or basically any run up the middle. By the time the back hits the line, our “speed rushers” have already blown past him, and the LB’s are left to cover the holes. By this time, he’s already gained 2-3 yards, and since they still struggle with tackling, then he’ll get a couple more before they bring him down. It doesn’t take much for teams to figure out that they can pick up between 4-8 yards per run, especially in passing situations.
There’s still time, but the window for “maturity” of this team is closing fast. I’m hoping the considerably tougher second half schedule will bring them back to reality.
16-0?? No fucking way. They’ll be lucky to go 13-3. I just hope the losses in the regular season will teach them valuable lessons for the post season run.
Tiny- I agree completly. I want to see them lose as it will get all that undefeated crap out of the way. I think they win the next 3 , but lose going into Jax (always have trouble with them), and then lose the trap game to Seattle after a tough game against SanDiego the week before.
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:35 pm
by Tiny
So, is that bad of me, wanting somebody to just punk my "team", so they get their overblow egos in check???
I don't know, from the past history, I guess I'm just pessimistic, waiting for the other shoe to drop. Believe you me, I'm the first to criticize the team when the play poorly; but maybe I've been too conditioned into thinking their always gonna struggle when the chips are down.
When I watch the defense, I see so many missed opportunities from the other teams offense; so many blown coverages; so many touchdown saving shoestring tackles. I think somebody is gonna come in, and not miss all those near-fatal mistakes, and just run us up.
I guess that's why they play the games....
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:42 pm
by BBMarley
Tiny wrote:So, is that bad of me, wanting somebody to just punk my "team", so they get their overblow egos in check???
I don't know, from the past history, I guess I'm just pessimistic, waiting for the other shoe to drop. Believe you me, I'm the first to criticize the team when the play poorly; but maybe I've been too conditioned into thinking their always gonna struggle when the chips are down.
When I watch the defense, I see so many missed opportunities from the other teams offense; so many blown coverages; so many touchdown saving shoestring tackles. I think somebody is gonna come in, and not miss all those near-fatal mistakes, and just run us up.
I guess that's why they play the games....
Hell NO. After KC lost the game in that year they were going for the 16-0 thing one of their players (can't remember which) said it was nice to get that loss out of the way- same thing happened in Philly. It would be a big load of everyone for them to lose that first so they can concentrate on the playoffs. The good thing is Dungy has said he is not concerned with 16-0- so IF they keep winning- he will still rest guys end of the year. My FF team doesn't like that- but I do.
The D does have some holes- but this the best their D has looked in 10+years. Thier strengths more than make up for the small holes they may have.
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:56 pm
by Felix
BBMarley wrote:Felix wrote:BBMarley wrote:
No it wouldn't- they would def be alot closer- but Indy would still have the advantage over Denver in respect to the running game...
Huh?
Denver (Anderson & Bell)- 975 yards on 246 attempts, 3.9 YPC, 10 TD
Indy (Edge)- 1027 yardson 223 attempts, 4.6 YPC, 9 TD's.
James is more productive as a single RB on an offense that is throwing the ball and average 12 times more a game than Denver. He gets more yards on less attempts than both Anderson & bell combined. Plus they still have a proven 1000 yard rusher backing him up in Rhoades who has only seen 27 touches this year.
Look if you want to say the Colts have a better
running back, that's fine and I would agree. But talking from a team perspective the statistics don't bear out your assertion.......
Rushing Offense - Rushing Yards/Game
Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TDs FDs 20+
1. Atlanta 9 312 34.7 1608 5.2 178.7 11 89 15
2. Denver 9 296 32.9 1487 5.0 165.2 12 72 14
3. Seattle 9 276 30.7 1450 5.3 161.1 19 85 11
4. Pittsburgh 9 307 34.1 1232 4.0 136.9 10 66 6
5. Chicago 9 277 30.8 1218 4.4 135.3 8 56 10
6. Indianapolis 9 290 32.2 1202 4.1 133.6 13 80 4
Denver must rely more on the run, because unfortunatley we don't have Peyton Manning....
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:11 pm
by BBMarley
Felix wrote:
Look if you want to say the Colts have a better running back, that's fine and I would agree. But talking from a team perspective the statistics don't bear out your assertion.......
Rushing Offense - Rushing Yards/Game
Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TDs FDs 20+
1. Atlanta 9 312 34.7 1608 5.2 178.7 11 89 15
2. Denver 9 296 32.9 1487 5.0 165.2 12 72 14
3. Seattle 9 276 30.7 1450 5.3 161.1 19 85 11
4. Pittsburgh 9 307 34.1 1232 4.0 136.9 10 66 6
5. Chicago 9 277 30.8 1218 4.4 135.3 8 56 10
6. Indianapolis 9 290 32.2 1202 4.1 133.6 13 80 4
Denver must rely more on the run, because unfortunatley we don't have Peyton Manning....
My fault for not figuring in the QB, FB's- I was going solely on starting HB. So- it does appear Denver has a slight advantage in RB- but I still put Indy over Denver- even if TO is signed due to the other factors listed. But- I still don't feel TO is going to play anywhere else this year.
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:15 pm
by Felix
BBMarley wrote:
My fault for not figuring in the QB, FB's- I was going solely on starting HB. So- it does appear Denver has a slight advantage in RB- but I still put Indy over Denver
So do I.....
even if TO is signed due to the other factors listed. But- I still don't feel TO is going to play anywhere else this year.
Even if T.O. were playing for Denver, I'd still be of the opinion that the Colts are better than the Broncos right now....and you're right, T.O. won't be strapping it up anytime soon....