Notre Dame= Overrated???

M2 · Post by M2 » Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:38 am

One of the worst teams in the Pac 10 takes ND to the brink...

Is ND really a BCS team??? with 2 loses... and Oregon isn't with only one loss to the best team in America???

The Pac 10 gets screwed again???

m2

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:40 am

m2 wrote:One of the worst teams in the Pac 10 takes ND to the brink...

Is ND really a BCS team??? with 2 loses... and Oregon isn't with only one loss to the best team in America???

The Pac 10 gets screwed again???

m2

At 4-4 and tied for fourth place I wouldn't call Stanford one of the "worst" teams in the Pac10.

What was Cal's conference record, BTW?

I'd say the Pac10 is underrated...

M2 · Post by M2 » Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:44 am

Mikey wrote:
m2 wrote:One of the worst teams in the Pac 10 takes ND to the brink...

Is ND really a BCS team??? with 2 loses... and Oregon isn't with only one loss to the best team in America???

The Pac 10 gets screwed again???

m2
At 4-4 and tied for fourth place I wouldn't call Stanford one of the "worst" teams in the Pac10.

What was Cal's conference record, BTW?

Mikey... wake the fuck up!!!

Cal 27 Stanford 3... just a week ago with our fullback at qb!

Yes... furd sucks and took ND to the brink...

m2

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:45 am

What was Cal's conference record again?

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:46 am

m2 wrote:One of the worst teams in the Pac 10 takes ND to the brink...

Is ND really a BCS team??? with 2 loses... and Oregon isn't with only one loss to the best team in America???

The Pac 10 gets screwed again???

m2

Tough to argue this take, m2.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:50 am

Cal was only 5 losses away from the national championship game.
Overrated, underrated...who gives a fuck. Is SC overrated because they only beat Fresno St. by 8 who just olst to Nevada. Wait, Nevada is the best whatever loss team in the nation. ND is going to a BCS game and pocketing 14.5 million dollars that they don't have to share. Deal with it.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:56 am

Laxplayer wrote:Cal was only 5 losses away from the national championship game.
Overrated, underrated...who gives a fuck. Is SC overrated because they only beat Fresno St. by 8 who just olst to Nevada. Wait, Nevada is the best whatever loss team in the nation. ND is going to a BCS game and pocketing 14.5 million dollars that they don't have to share. Deal with it.

Since m2 is hiding from reality now...

Cal was 4-4 in the conference.
So was Stanford.

I guess that makes both of them one of the worst teams in the Pac10.

:P

M2 · Post by M2 » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:01 am

Mikey wrote:
Laxplayer wrote:Cal was only 5 losses away from the national championship game.
Overrated, underrated...who gives a fuck. Is SC overrated because they only beat Fresno St. by 8 who just olst to Nevada. Wait, Nevada is the best whatever loss team in the nation. ND is going to a BCS game and pocketing 14.5 million dollars that they don't have to share. Deal with it.
Since m2 is hiding from reality now...

Cal was 4-4 in the conference.
So was Stanford.

I guess that makes both of them one of the worst teams in the Pac10.

:P

Cal 27 - the tree 3...

The Axe stays at home!!! :twisted:

Guilt kicks in for the domer's...

the truth

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:10 am

What was Cal's conference record again?
Who were the worst teams in the Pac 10 again?

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:18 am

Wow, the Axe stays at home. That's a far cry from the beginning of the season when you were propping Cal to play in the rose bowl. Now you're relegated to rooting for your arch rival to beat ND. Loser.

M2 · Post by M2 » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:30 am

Laxplayer wrote:Wow, the Axe stays at home. That's a far cry from the beginning of the season when you were propping Cal to play in the rose bowl. Now you're relegated to rooting for your arch rival to beat ND. Loser.

If Longshore didn't get hurt...

It would be Cal #1 in the country...

Cal for the third time in College Football History...(Cal has 2 of those times)

Has 2 running backs with over 1,000 yards rushing!!!

This year... we did it with 9 in the box and no qb!!!

the truth

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:32 am

Laxplayer wrote:ND is going to a BCS game and pocketing 14.5 million dollars that they don't have to share. Deal with it.

Which is exactly why the BCS is complete horseshit.

I seem to remember the last time ND "beat out" another team, in a BCS game ... only to get their asses handed to them.

Here's to hoping ND gets the everliving fuck kicked out of them, whether it is tOSU or Oregon, both of which should be in a BCS bowl, over ND.

:cheers:

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:33 am

m2 wrote:
Laxplayer wrote:Wow, the Axe stays at home. That's a far cry from the beginning of the season when you were propping Cal to play in the rose bowl. Now you're relegated to rooting for your arch rival to beat ND. Loser.

the truth

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:35 am

RadioFan wrote:
Laxplayer wrote:ND is going to a BCS game and pocketing 14.5 million dollars that they don't have to share. Deal with it.
Which is exactly why the BCS is complete horseshit.

I seem to remember the last time ND "beat out" another team, in a BCS game ... only to get their asses handed to them.

Here's to hoping ND gets the everliving fuck kicked out of them, whether it is tOSU or Oregon, both of which should be in a BCS bowl, over ND.

:cheers:

oregon st blew their doors off that year!

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:44 am

Ifs or buts....candies or nuts....if your Aunt had BALLS; she'd be your Uncle.

NA na Na Boo BOO!!!!!

2 1000 yd rushers in the backfield?

sorry to jump out of College on this...but,

SO????!!!!!

Sin,

1984 Cleveland BROWNS

sux....don't it?

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:47 am

Oregon hasn't beat anyone worth a shit, neither has Oregon St. This ND team is much different than those TW led teams who were poorly coached, poorly prepared. Why should Oregon go to a BCS game? Because they beat a Fresno State team who proved to be overrated? Because they beat an ASU team who barely beat Arizona. Because they beat a crappy Cal team? ND will put money in the pockets of the Bowl people. They'll travel more people than Oregon which means more money for the city hosting the bowl. Yes the whole system is bullshit, but the reality is what it is. Will it change? No. Will Nd continue to get bids over other schools? Yep. Reality, deal with it.

M2 · Post by M2 » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:57 am

Laxplayer wrote:Oregon? Because they beat a crappy Cal team?

Cal 27 v. Furd 3...

ND 38 v Furd 31...

PS...

Cal beat Washington by more than 3 TD's more than Notre Dame did...

m2 is the truth

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:31 am

Laxplayer wrote:Oregon hasn't beat anyone worth a shit, neither has Oregon St. This ND team is much different than those TW led teams who were poorly coached, poorly prepared. Why should Oregon go to a BCS game? Because they beat a Fresno State team who proved to be overrated? Because they beat an ASU team who barely beat Arizona. Because they beat a crappy Cal team? ND will put money in the pockets of the Bowl people. They'll travel more people than Oregon which means more money for the city hosting the bowl. Yes the whole system is bullshit, but the reality is what it is. Will it change? No. Will Nd continue to get bids over other schools? Yep. Reality, deal with it.

Not to mention that Notre Dame took USC to the last second while Oregon's one loss was a drycracking by the same USC team. I can't explain ND's loss to MSU though.

No brainer in taking ND over Oregon.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:04 am

Comparative analysis just doesn't work in the 2005 CFB. Any given saturday and all that...

Terry in Crapchester · Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:08 am

Cal fan calling ND overrated?

Btw, m2, I've been saying that ND and Oregon get the two at-large BCS bids, fwiw.

M2 · Post by M2 » Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:19 am

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Cal fan calling ND overrated?

Btw, m2, I've been saying that ND and Oregon get the two at-large BCS bids, fwiw.

Terry... ND and Oregon can't even be mentioned in the same breath...

The QB that Oregon now has... from the (Bay Area) Dixon...

Would have Vince Young... riding pine!

Seriously, the kid is unreal and he is only in 2nd start...

the truth

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:20 am

the at large bids are going to be about money, not money from ticket sales or hotel revenues, the bowl will sell out either way, this is going to be about TV money. It will come down to media markets and national interests, who will allow ABC, whos in their last year of their BCS TV rights, to charge the most for commercial time. I think it will be Notre Dame and Ohio State based on the dollars that those two will bring in, even though Oregons Fiesta Bowl win vs Colorado 4 years ago was higher rated than Ohio States Fiesta Bowl vs Kansas State or Notre Dames Fiesta Bowl loss to Oregon State.
I think Oregon and Ohio State should get the at large births based on both of them being ranked ahead of Notre Dame, but the BCS was only designed to attempt to put 1 and 2 on the field together, screw everyone else.

Terry in Crapchester · Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:21 am

m2 wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:Cal fan calling ND overrated?

Btw, m2, I've been saying that ND and Oregon get the two at-large BCS bids, fwiw.
Terry... ND and Oregon can't even be mentioned in the same breath...

The QB that Oregon now has... from the (Bay Area) Dixon...

Would have Vince Young... riding pine!

Yeah, and Vince Young would be playing WR if he went to ND.

Seriously, you can make a case that Oregon is a better team than ND, but where are you going with this particular point?

M2 · Post by M2 » Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:27 am

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
m2 wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:Cal fan calling ND overrated?

Btw, m2, I've been saying that ND and Oregon get the two at-large BCS bids, fwiw.
Terry... ND and Oregon can't even be mentioned in the same breath...

The QB that Oregon now has... from the (Bay Area) Dixon...

Would have Vince Young... riding pine!
Yeah, and Vince Young would be playing WR if he went to ND.

Seriously, you can make a case that Oregon is a better team than ND, but where are you going with this particular point?

Oregon...

could very easily be the best team in the country with Dixon at the helm...

the truth

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:52 am

Terry I'll play

on what basis do you just arbitrarily pick ND and Oregon...?

Oregon lost to SC
ND lost to SC and MSU FUCKING MSU
tOSU lost to Texas and PSU (two top 5 teams)

Auburn has a claim, ND has a claim, Oregon has a claim, and tOSU has a claim...to me two teams will get screwed while I do not believe ND deserves it...call me a homer, but hey they are ranked behind tOSU and Oregon in the BCS with tOSU being the highest ranked (as of now)...

just asking where your coming from...this is surely a lively debeate and will be debated for years to come...the BCS fucking sucks already...what kills me is many talking heads think Oregon/ND is a national matchup...explain that one to mean when you could possibly had the two largest alumni bases (tOSU and ND) going at in the Fiesta...granted there is some homerism but all I want is the most deserving teams in the game...hell if they chose Auburn vs Oregon I could live with that since both have 1 loss...but to take 1 two loss team and potentially leave another out...HORSESHIT...

just sayin....

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:23 pm

To play "the who beat who" game usually ends up being one big circle-jerk. When you want to throw in margin of victory into the argument, it gets worse.

The bottom line is that Notre Dame beat Stanford. Pick it apart and look at from all possible angles...the Irish won the game. I'm surprised Stanford gave them such a test but they didn't beat them. I can't remember a team going unbeaten or losing a game or two and not have to face a few scares along the way. I'm not going to pick apart the Irish's season...they deserve to get a bid to one of the jackpot games. I'd favor Ohio State over Oregon to get the other bid but it doesn't matter to me who is chosen.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:45 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Btw, m2, I've been saying that ND and Oregon get the two at-large BCS bids, fwiw.

I'll play too.
Say fucking what?
You dropped the homer hammer down on Ohio State? Crap, you're generally pretty levelheaded, but in this case, you're off base. Ohio State is playing some SERIOUS g-damned football right now.

I'll leave the "who's beat whom" and "schedule difficulty" arguments in the drawer... the one over there labeled "No shit, OSU is better than ND". With that aside, cuz it ain't even worth arguing, tell me why ND is ore deserving than OSU?

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:51 pm

m2 wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:
m2 wrote: Terry... ND and Oregon can't even be mentioned in the same breath...

The QB that Oregon now has... from the (Bay Area) Dixon...

Would have Vince Young... riding pine!
Yeah, and Vince Young would be playing WR if he went to ND.

Seriously, you can make a case that Oregon is a better team than ND, but where are you going with this particular point?
Oregon...

could very easily be the best team in the country with Dixon at the helm...

the truth

When you post 3 consecutive coherent takes in a row, it will be the first time, ever.

Spinach Genie · Post by **Spinach Genie** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:03 pm

Close calls don't count against you unless you're Auburn. :wink:

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:03 pm

Notre Dame is the proverbial "two plays away" from being undefeated and probably ranked #1 in the country...

The USC loss (pick your "one" play there, since that game hinged on a couple of doozies) and what, a triple O.T. loss?

PSU, likewise, one play away...

Even Oregon is only one loss to #1 away from at least receiving a mention and still they must merit a BCS mention...

Lots of compelling arguments all over the place. Compelling arguments like a mofo, except for this one...

m2 wrote:If Longshore didn't get hurt...

It would be Cal #1 in the country...

m2, I think you meant county, right? Quite obviously the absense of one guy from Cal's line up wasn't the difference maker in the asskicking they received at the hands of USC and it likely also doesn't prevent all their other losses either.

I highly doubt there's a team in the nation that hasn't had to similarly deal with some sort of major injury(s) this season. I know USC sure has seen their defense depleted by injuries and I'm pretty sure both Alabama and Georgia aren't feeling all that warm and benevolent over the hand dealt to them this season by the injury bug...

Cal??? Arizona State and Oregon both endured more damaging injuries this season...

M2 · Post by M2 » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:35 pm

Van wrote:

m2, I think you meant county, right?Quite obviously the absense of one guy from Cal's line up wasn't the difference maker in the asskicking they received at the hands of USC and it likely also doesn't prevent all their other losses either.

Of course not, Van... 6 turnovers from your backup qb, which 4 of which were interceptions... would have no effect on the game what so ever. :roll:

Van wrote:I highly doubt there's a team in the nation that hasn't had to similarly deal with some sort of major injury(s) this season. I know USC sure has seen their defense depleted by injuries and I'm pretty sure both Alabama and Georgia aren't feeling all that warm and benevolent over the hand dealt to them this season by the injury bug...

Yeah, I'm sure most teams have lost their starting qb for the season... 3 starting O linemen for the season on possibly the best O line in college football... yep it was the exact same O line that gave jj arrington his 2,000 yards rushing the year before.

We also lost our starting rb for 4 games this year... and he still got 1,000 yards rushing behind a backup line. I could go on but, well you know.

Van wrote:Cal??? Arizona State and Oregon both endured more damaging injuries this season...

Sure they did... :roll:

Van, let's hear it... I'll be waiting.

PS. With our fullback at qb... We beat Stanford 27-3!

You see Van, when your qb doesn't give up 6 turnovers... it gives your offense a chance to score and keeps your defense off the field the whole game! No other defense this year has held Stanford to just 3 points! Not you...21 points...ASU gave up 45 points in the blink of an eye to Stanford...UCLA gave up 24 points... and Notre Dame gave up 31 points to furd!

m2

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:04 pm

I'd say that ND is a little(note I said a LITTLE) overrated in that while Weis has quickly gotten their WCO working like a fine-tuned-engine their D is fairly average.

But they are ND, which stands for Numerous Dollars, so they will get the BCS slot. They are definitely better than the last two ND-teams that went to a major bowl though, and they have a solid shot at a W, so I don't really have a problem with them being in a BCS-bowl.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:27 pm

m2, both Oregon and ASU lost their much better (returning) starting QBs for the season and they soldiered on...

As for Cal-USC, well, in case you hadn't noticed USC gets a lot of picks no matter who's playing QB against 'em. USC scores a lot, teams are then forced to throw a lot and then USC starts piling up the picks. Pretty confident here that a first year starter like Longshore wouldn't have looked markedly better than any other QB you could've trotted out there.

Regardless, no first year starter is ever going to be the difference between being #1 (your fantastical hypothesis) and being a four or five loss team.

Suddenly take away a three year starting QB like Leinart in the middle of a season and yeah, that's going to hurt your offense big time. Leinart's been taking ALL the first team snaps for three years. His back up(s) haven't gotten a sniff of experience with the first team and they haven't played a minute in any pressure situations in the games.

Longshore? Dude hadn't proven a damn thing yet and Cal's offense wasn't 100% ingrained and predicated on his manning of the controls...

Meanwhile Oregon beat you with their own back up QB, a guy who DID replace an established starter.

Terry in Crapchester · Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:35 pm

Ken wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Btw, m2, I've been saying that ND and Oregon get the two at-large BCS bids, fwiw.
I'll play too.
Say fucking what?
You dropped the homer hammer down on Ohio State? Crap, you're generally pretty levelheaded, but in this case, you're off base. Ohio State is playing some SERIOUS g-damned football right now.

I'll leave the "who's beat whom" and "schedule difficulty" arguments in the drawer... the one over there labeled "No shit, OSU is better than ND". With that aside, cuz it ain't even worth arguing, tell me why ND is ore deserving than OSU?

Okay, I'll address this as well as buckeye in sc.

Basically, if everything plays out as expected, although there will be at least six teams eligible for at-large BCS bids, there are only three teams with a realistic shot at one: ND, tOSU, and Oregon. All three are very good teams, you could make a case that any of these teams was deserving of a BCS bid, and one will get screwed. If this was next year, with the fifth BCS bowl, ND and tOSU would be as good as in already, and Oregon would be in provided that USC beats UCLA next week. The only debate would be over the final at-large spot between Goldtooph and Auburn.

tOSU has two losses to top five teams (Texas and Penn State)
Oregon is the only one loss team in contention for an at-large bid at the present, and their single loss was to the #1 team (USC), albeit by a rather large margin.
ND has two losses, one to the #1 team, but the other to a team with a losing record (Michigan State). Most of you ND naysayers are focusing on that loss. OTOH, as Van pointed out, ND is the proverbial two plays away from being undefeated this season, and neither Oregon nor tOSU can say that.
ND has the biggest fan following, on a national basis, of these schools, and clearly, tOSU also has a bigger national fan following than Oregon. OTOH, as stated before, only Oregon is a one-loss team; ND and tOSU are both two-loss teams.

In any event, BCS at-large bids are not necessarily about getting who the BCS thinks are the best teams, bur moreso are about getting what the BCS considers attractive matchups. In this regard, it is also germane that the Fiesta Bowl, at the moment, projects as the bowl with two openings. I believe this helps Oregon more than ND or tOSU, and hurts tOSU more than ND. It helps Oregon because the Fiesta Bowl probably would rather have one team from the west, particularly when the other team will be from east of the Mississippi. And I think it hurts tOSU because tOSU has played there in two of the last three years.

Based on that, I think the at-large bids go to ND and Oregon.

Having said all of that, even though all three teams are now in the clubhouse, there are still a lot of scenarios out there which impact on the at-large bids:

If UCLA upsets USC, this would be damaging for all three teams, but far moreso for Oregon than for ND or tOSU. Any given conference can only send one at-large team, and UCLA would likely leapfrog Oregon in such an event, likely ending Oregon's BCS aspirations.
If Texas is upset by Colorado in the Big 12 championship game, that would hurt ND, tOSU and Oregon, in that Texas almost certainly would not fall out of the Top Four, and therefore would still get an at-large bid. It would have a doubly negative effect on Oregon, in that Colorado would then get a Fiesta Bowl bid, and part of the rationale for selecting Oregon is now gone.
Wins by Georgia in the SEC championship game and FSU in the ACC championship game are likely, if everything else holds form, to elevate tOSU to #4 in the final BCS poll, and ND to #6 in the final BCS poll, at which point the BCS would have to select both. Based on this, ND and tOSU should be rooting for Georgia and FSU next week, while Oregon should be rooting for LSU and Va Tech next week.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:04 pm

Reasons One Through A Thousand Why Conference Tournaments Are Nearly Always Pointless And Often Downright Stupid And Even Insulting, wrote:If Texas is upset by Colorado in the Big 12 championship game, that would hurt ND, tOSU and Oregon, in that Texas almost certainly would not fall out of the Top Four, and therefore would still get an at-large bid. It would have a doubly negative effect on Oregon, in that Colorado would then get a Fiesta Bowl bid, and part of the rationale for selecting Oregon is now gone.

Colorado has no business playing for anything or even having the opportunity to jeopardize anybody's anything...

Texas should be given a free pass here. No CF game should ever take place where one team has everything to lose and nothing to gain, and that's exactly Texas' predicament here.

Conversely, Colorado cannot be allowed to bump a more worthy team such as Oregon from a BCS bowl game by virtue of winning a game against a team that still wouldn't even fall out of the BCS picture with a loss...

This is just embarrassing for the Big XII.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:19 pm

Crappie,
Not gonna C&P ad-nauseum, just a few thoughts about your post.

#1. Good to see your reasoing didn't have to do with any sort of ND homerism. As you indicated, of course, ND will be one of the al's due to their following. However...

#2. I really DON'T want to get into it, but since you brought it up.... tv audiences and traveling fans aside, OSU deserves the slot moreso than ND. You can compare losses between the two, as you did, and anyone with something even resembling granite for a brain would see that OSU had the tougher of the schedule and suffered losses that NO ONE can look back on and be shameful of. The same cannot be said of ND.

#3. I don't think the Fiesta having the two al's hurts OSU (at least enough to make a difference). My feeling is that OSUfan would travel quite well for the Fiesta, even though the Bucks have a second mortgage in Tempe. This is a game vs. ND.... and THAT is an attractive matchup. I can better see your point if it appeared OSU would be slotted vs. Oregon or mebee LSU. Boiling it down, fanbase and their willingness to travel trumps any sort of geographical strategem.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:34 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:
Spinach Genie wrote:Playing 1-aa teams doesn't count against you unless you're Auburn....or LSU. :wink:
FTFY.

I laughed!

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:44 pm

BtH, a game where one team has nothing to win is exceedingly rare.

If Texas plays this same Colorado team (or Appalachian State) in the middle of the season they sure as fuck have something to win: Building and maintaining their undefeated record and their chance to play in the BCS series. They're still fighting a boatload of other teams around the nation and such a win could help to elevate them above somebody else.

By playing 'em again though in a CCG, what can they win? They've already established everything they need to in order to maintain their position so winning does precisely nothing for them.

What can they lose? Aside from the risk of injuries, not all that much, actually. Even if they lose they won't fall out of the BCS and, like OU in 2003, they might even still sneak into the title game despite a loss in the CCG.

So, they could conceiveably lose but they can't win.

It's an utterly meaningless game for Texas, and it's because of the circumstances surrounding this particular game.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:46 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:
Van wrote: No CF game should ever take place where one team has everything to lose and nothing to gain, and that's exactly Texas' predicament here.
Van, you sometimes seem like a reasonable guy, but this is a damn stupid comment.

You get games where one team has everything to lose and nothing to win all the damn time.

It's called "Every time a shitty team with an axe to grind plays a really good team."

See Oklahoma-Oklahoma State in 2001. That game knocked Oklahoma out of the national title picture, out of the Big 12 championship and a hoped-for rematch against Nebraska (which wouldn't have happened, as Nebraska had the same thing happen to them against CU.)

Are we supposed to just cancel every game whenever the other team is noticeably superior?

And for what it's worth, Texas DOES have something to gain here. Mack Brown's first conference championship probably has quite a bit of meaning back in Austin.

I understand what he means, bth. I think he'd agree with your post too. I think he simply painted w/too broad of a brush with that statement.

CU has no business playing for a conf. c-ship. Texas, without a whisper of doubt, is the best team in the B12. What would UT winning prove? Not a whole lot. Just another data pt. UT has everything to lose... and unrightly so, imo.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:45 pm

Ken wrote:I think he simply painted w/too broad of a brush with that statement.

It's Van's MO these days, apparently. Make vague statements, with hidden implications, and it makes it much easier to spin out from under them when he gets called out for them.

T1B

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