actually cool for PP...I figured it would come down to Hawk and PP...I thought Hawk did enough to get the Butkus...I like Shoalize I believe...want to know how you can win the Lombardi (best LB/Lineman) but not win the Bednarik or Butkus...to me if you win one you sweep them?
Still the Big 10 has got to be the conference of LB's for the very near future...I mean PP and Connor are back at PSU, Burgess will be even better as a Jr next year at Michigan...Lauernitis at tOSU looks like the next one in a long line of great ones...
not that I am going to start a war here but can anyone remember any conference with such line backer depth recently?
PP/Connor at PSU
Hawk/Schelgal/Carpenter at tOSU
those TWO FUCKING IOWA dudes
Burgess at Michigan
yes perhaps the Big 12 last year and what two years ago when Johnson was a Soph and Lehman and the OU guys were seniors...
anyway congrats to PP...On a Homer note I wish Hawk would have won it...and in all actuallity I think carpenter until he got hurt was playing better than both of them toward the end of the season...
PP is a very good LB, but its bullshit that Hawk didnt win the award. Fucking awards make me sick sometimes. Hawk is a future Top 5 pick and was all over the field making big plays and he gets fucked out of the Butkus.
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PSUFAN wrote:Apologies to Hawk, because Paul will be back next year, and he ain't going to regress any...this should have been Hawk's year for this award.
I don't get this at all. Not a bit, psu. I would be disappointed if voters for any award took into account whether or not a player still had a year of eligibility remaining. Not sure how this should be considered part of the criteria used to recognize a player for an ward that is given for play in the current year.
Cicero wrote:PP is a very good LB, but its bullshit that Hawk didnt win the award. Fucking awards make me sick sometimes. Hawk is future Top 5 pick and was all over the field making big plays and he gets fucked out of the Heisman.
While he's a first rounder, I don't think he's top five. No, not because I don't think he's good enough to be top five, but more because top five picks are, generally speaking, used on skill players regardless of need.
Anyways, who's to say Poz isn't also a top five pick next year? To add, since you're into comparing the quailites of both, it's not like Poz played in a 10' x 10' ft imaginary box on the field, idiot.
Edit to add: After thinking about it for a moment, I think I'm going to eat the comment about top five picks being reserved for skill players.
PSUFAN wrote:Apologies to Hawk, because Paul will be back next year, and he ain't going to regress any...this should have been Hawk's year for this award.
I don't get this at all. Not a bit, psu. I would be disappointed if voters for any award took into account whether or not a player still had a year of eligibility remaining. Not sure how this should be considered part of the criteria used to recognize a player for an ward that is given for play in the current year.
