Rod Freaking Smith

Red · Post by **Red** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:33 pm

Eight 1,000 yard seasons
Only undrafted player with 10,000 receiving yards
Plays special teams when asked
Blocks
Acts like he's scored a touchdown before
Rarely ends up on SportsCenter
Leads his team

A MAN.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:12 pm

Smith is a damn fine man... I rank him right up there up with Tiki Barber. Will do what asked- doesn't ask for the spotlight. Players like him should make TO, Moulds, Moss, et al feel ashamed of themselves.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:46 pm

Smith epitomizes what every receiver in the NFL should strive to be.....

We're lucky to have him....

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:22 pm

...definitely one of those "players you like on teams you hate" guys, and THAT statement covers much ground.

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:12 am

This quote had me waxing nostalgic... well, not really nostalgic (since he's still around), but you get my point:

Rod FREAKING Smith wrote:"There is no one on our football team who has the right to run out of bounds on his own unless it's the quarterback," Smith said. "You always fight for the extra yard. You never know. They might miss the tackle. They might slip. So, [Rookie RB Mike Bell] didn't know that, so we let him slide on that one."

Smith intercepted a fuming running backs coach Bobby Turner and convinced him that the admonition should come from a teammate.

"The guy got like 30 yards. You can't be mad at him," Smith said. "But at the same time, you're like, 'Look, man, don't ever run out of bounds again. That sideline is not for us; it's for the quarterbacks."

Brings a tear to my eye.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:40 am

Very good player...don't hear much about him but I think you'd much rather have him be quietly sucessful instead of being a noisy and distracting failure.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:48 am

I read a few years ago that as far as his finances go he lives VERY moderately for an NFL star. His house isn't a mansion he drives a modest auto and invests his funds and personally tracks every penny.

Now THIS is a guy young NFL players and young people alike should pattern themselves after. I hate giving a Bronco any type of props but he is a class act all the way.

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:40 am

He's not as good as T.J. Houshmazilli.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:36 pm

Red wrote:This quote had me waxing nostalgic... well, not really nostalgic (since he's still around), but you get my point:

Rod FREAKING Smith wrote:"There is no one on our football team who has the right to run out of bounds on his own unless it's the quarterback," Smith said. "You always fight for the extra yard. You never know. They might miss the tackle. They might slip. So, [Rookie RB Mike Bell] didn't know that, so we let him slide on that one."

Smith intercepted a fuming running backs coach Bobby Turner and convinced him that the admonition should come from a teammate.

"The guy got like 30 yards. You can't be mad at him," Smith said. "But at the same time, you're like, 'Look, man, don't ever run out of bounds again. That sideline is not for us; it's for the quarterbacks."
Brings a tear to my eye.

And then you have other "leaders" getting nailed for breaking curfew.

Two Broncos defensive captains, cornerback Champ Bailey and linebacker Al Wilson, were held for breaking curfew Friday night: "If you miss curfew, you don't play," Shanahan said. "We've got rules, and they're good for everybody."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/ ... 28878.html

BTW: What's the over/under on Plummer getting yanked for Cutler? I've been hearing good things about Cutler.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:38 pm

Smith is a class act. Def deserves HoF consideration when it is all said and done.

Th · Post by Th » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:42 pm

WhatsMyName wrote:He's not as good as T.J. Houshmazilli.

Don't you mean T.J. Whosyourmomma?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:54 pm

Smith has been a rock-solid gamer, but he is NOT a hall of fame player, Cicero.
He's been to just 3 pro-bowls, and statistically he lags a little behind Jimmy Smith (5-time pro-bowler), who ought not get in either, IMO.

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:03 pm

poptart wrote:Smith has been a rock-solid gamer, but he is NOT a hall of fame player, Cicero.
He's been to just 3 pro-bowls, and statistically he lags a little behind Jimmy Smith (5-time pro-bowler), who ought not get in either, IMO.

Have to agree with 'tart. He belongs in the Broncos' Ring of Fame but not the HoF. He's been a very productive guy for a long time, works hard and leads by example but to warrant a bronze bust in Canton you have to be a dominant force at your position. Smith isn't that guy.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:31 pm

BBMarley wrote:Smith is a damn fine man.

^^^ Faggot. ^^^

Rack Rod Smith. Always has been a player I have admired on and off the field. Let's just hope he doesn't go OJ on us.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:56 pm

poptart wrote:Smith has been a rock-solid gamer, but he is NOT a hall of fame player, Cicero.
He's been to just 3 pro-bowls, and statistically he lags a little behind Jimmy Smith (5-time pro-bowler), who ought not get in either, IMO.

Rod Smith has played 3 fewer years than Smith. If he plays the next 3 years and averages even 70 receptions per year, Rod Smith will far exceed Jimmy Smith's career stats.

What say you then?

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:00 pm

I'd say Art Monk would then have someone to play bunko with.

Lots and lots of stats over time don't equal dominant seasons.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:09 pm

Denver will need to win one more SB and Smith will need to be the SB MVP ala Deion Branch to make it into the HoF. 3 SB rings, lots of career stats, a few Pro Bowls and the SB MVP should be enough for Smith to make it.

Doubt that will happen though.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:13 pm

orcinus wrote:I'd say Art Monk would then have someone to play bunko with.

Lots and lots of stats over time don't equal dominant seasons.

Yea, I would say that should Smith reach Monk's level, they both should get in. Art Monk not being in the HoF is simply retarded.

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:20 pm

Figured that would draw some flies.

Art Monk quips aside, Red has it in perspective.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:25 pm

orcinus wrote:Figured that would draw some flies.

Art Monk quips aside, Red has it in perspective.

Using Poptart's logic, the only recievers to get in in the next 10 years will be Jerry Rice and Chris Carter. Then we'll have to wait another 5 or 6 years for Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:30 pm

Bri, Jimmy Smith had 0, 0, and 22 catches in his first 3 years in the league.

The Hall of Fame ought to be for truly GREAT PLAYERS.

Rod Smith and Jimmy Smith have not been great players.

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:50 pm

BSmack wrote:Using Poptart's logic, the only recievers to get in in the next 10 years will be Jerry Rice and Chris Carter. Then we'll have to wait another 5 or 6 years for Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss.

I don't see the problem with that.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:53 pm

poptart wrote:Bri, Jimmy Smith had 0, 0, and 22 catches in his first 3 years in the league.

The Hall of Fame ought to be for truly GREAT PLAYERS.

Rod Smith and Jimmy Smith have not been great players.

Yes they have been. The question is, were they great enough?

I say yes. In fact, I'll go one step further and say that recievers as a whole are getting shafted in the HoF selection process. A running back who finishes his career in the top 10 in career yardage is virtualy printed a ticket to Canton the day he retires. Conversely, a full HALF of the top 10 all time recieving yardage learers will likely never get a sniff at Canton if the Poptarts on the HoF selection committee have their way.

WTF?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:04 pm

Rushing yards are much harder to 'earn,' IMO.

Henry Ellard (5th all-time in receiving yds) and Irving Fryar (7th) are Hall of Famers to you .... ?

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:10 pm

Don't forget me!

Sin,

Guy who's 6th all-time in passing yards and 8th in TDs.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:26 pm

poptart wrote:Rushing yards are much harder to 'earn,' IMO.

Henry Ellard (5th all-time in receiving yds) and Irving Fryar (7th) are Hall of Famers to you .... ?

Is Steve Largent a HoFer? Because that's the guy Ellard and Fryar's stats compare to.

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:24 pm

BSmack wrote:
poptart wrote:Rushing yards are much harder to 'earn,' IMO.

Henry Ellard (5th all-time in receiving yds) and Irving Fryar (7th) are Hall of Famers to you .... ?
Is Steve Largent a HoFer? Because that's the guy Ellard and Fryar's stats compare to.

Yep. In addition to his seven Pro Bowls...

...at the time of his retirement, [Largent] held six major career pass receiving records – most receptions (819), most consecutive games with a reception (177), most yards on receptions (13,089), most touchdowns on receptions (100), most seasons with 50 or more receptions (10) and most seasons with 1,000 yards or more on receptions (8 ).

That means that, more than being just a good receiver for a long time, he dominated his position.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:38 pm

Red wrote:
BSmack wrote:
poptart wrote:Rushing yards are much harder to 'earn,' IMO.

Henry Ellard (5th all-time in receiving yds) and Irving Fryar (7th) are Hall of Famers to you .... ?
Is Steve Largent a HoFer? Because that's the guy Ellard and Fryar's stats compare to.
Yep. In addition to his seven Pro Bowls...

...at the time of his retirement, [Largent] held six major career pass receiving records – most receptions (819), most consecutive games with a reception (177), most yards on receptions (13,089), most touchdowns on receptions (100), most seasons with 50 or more receptions (10) and most seasons with 1,000 yards or more on receptions (8 ).
That means that, more than being just a good receiver for a long time, he dominated his position.

He didn't dominate Henry Ellard. They have nearly identical numbers.

And don't even get me started on Art Monk.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:45 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:He didn't dominate Henry Ellard.
He wasn't playing against Henry Ellard, you stupid fuck.

No shit moron. Learn to read a thread before commenting.

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:32 pm

BSmack wrote:
Red wrote:
BSmack wrote: Is Steve Largent a HoFer? Because that's the guy Ellard and Fryar's stats compare to.
Yep. In addition to his seven Pro Bowls...

...at the time of his retirement, [Largent] held six major career pass receiving records – most receptions (819), most consecutive games with a reception (177), most yards on receptions (13,089), most touchdowns on receptions (100), most seasons with 50 or more receptions (10) and most seasons with 1,000 yards or more on receptions (8 ).
That means that, more than being just a good receiver for a long time, he dominated his position.
He didn't dominate Henry Ellard. They have nearly identical numbers.

And don't even get me started on Art Monk.

Yes he did...

Seasons among the league's top 10:
Receptions: Largent 9, Ellard 2
Receiving yards: Largent 8, Ellard 4
Receiving TDs: Largent 8, Ellard 1

Pro Bowls:
Largent 7, Ellard 3

...unless your definition of "dominate" differs from mine.

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:51 pm

BSmack wrote:And don't even get me started on Art Monk.

And looking at Monk...
Pro Bowls: 3

Seasons among the league's top 10:
Receptions: 4
Receiving yards: 3
Receiving TDs: 1

Again, Largent blows him away.

Monk, Ellard and Fryar were very good receivers for a long time and they deservedly hold a special place in their fans' hearts and should have a place of honor amongst their teammates. None of them were great football players that dominated their position and none deserve to be in the Hall of Fame just because they played for a long time.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:00 pm

Red wrote:Seasons among the league's top 10:
Receptions: Largent 9, Ellard 2
Receiving yards: Largent 8, Ellard 4
Receiving TDs: Largent 8, Ellard 1

Pro Bowls:
Largent 7, Ellard 3

...unless your definition of "dominate" differs from mine.

Thanks for showing that Largent wasn't competing against a bunch of Mouse Davis clones during his prime while Ellard was. Furthermore, Ellard had the first 5 years of his career robbed statisticaly speaking while he watched Eric Dickerson run roughshod over the NFC. Seattle's leading RB during Largent's fist 5 years was the "legendary" Sherman Smith.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:02 pm

mvscal wrote:No way dude. Not only is Henry Ellard just as good as Steve Largent, he totally blows aways Don Hutson.
Just look at the stats!

--BDumbfuck

Hutson racked up the majority of his stats playing against a bunch of 4F stiffs during WWII. Somebody wanna explain how that fucker didn't get drafted and Joe Dimaggio and Ted Williams did?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:16 pm

mvscal wrote:Missing no opportunity to display your mindboggling stupidity, I see.

Carry on.

So you admit that Hutson was playing against inferior competition?

Good, now we can talk reasonably.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:20 pm

...Ellard never lead the NFL in interceptions now did he? maybe that's what got Hutson in...

The Packer: Hutson is considered one of the greatest NFL WRs of all-time and the first real star receiver to play professional football as a nine-time All-Pro and a charter member of the pro football Hall of Fame. He set the NFL record with 99 career touchdown catches that lasted until Steve Largent came along.

Even though he's the player credited with inventing pass patterns and was one of the all-time greats, his pro stats remain among the most overrated in sports history. His best seasons were from 1941 through 1945, or when World War II was taking many of America's most able bodied young men away, when Hutson made 284 of his 488 catches, had five of his six best yardage seasons and caught 56 of his 99 touchdowns. LINK

...did I just agree with BSmack?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:42 pm

mvscal wrote:No, I'm telling you to shove your weak, bullshit excuses straight up your fucking ass.

Oooo, Ellard had Dickerson on his team. Ooooo, Hutson played during WW2.

Just shut the fuck up, dipshit.

Nice post Meltvscal.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:55 pm

I guess they have to put an * next to the Bears League Championships now ....

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:07 pm

What does this have to do with Cliff Branch being the most under-rated WR of ALL-TIME?

Fuck Rod Smith

&

Fuck You

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:08 pm

drummer wrote:I guess they have to put an * next to the Bears League Championships now ....

We've already all but put an asterisk next to any title won before Super Bowl I. How many times has Browns fan heard about how the Browns have "never won a Super Bowl"? As if their multiple NFL Championships before 1965 were completely meaningless. Your average NFL fan thinks the Bears have one NFL Title and the Packers have 3.

G.O. · Post by **G.O.** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:13 pm

Red wrote:
BSmack wrote:And don't even get me started on Art Monk.
And looking at Monk...
Pro Bowls: 3

Seasons among the league's top 10:
Receptions: 4
Receiving yards: 3
Receiving TDs: 1

Again, Largent blows him away.

Monk, Ellard and Fryar were very good receivers for a long time and they deservedly hold a special place in their fans' hearts and should have a place of honor amongst their teammates. None of them were great football players that dominated their position and none deserve to be in the Hall of Fame just because they played for a long time.

while we're looking at stats, its fair to point out that monk played on a run first team.

looking at the RB's monk played with- riggins, rogers, byner.... each one had one season where they had more rushing attempts than any other RB in the league. rogers and riggins both lead the league in rush TD's for at least one year.

what separates monk from other WR's with big numbers was his records. first, he caught more passes than any other WR in history at one point- til one jerry rice passed him. he also had the record for most receptions in a season- again, on a run first team. and he held the record for most consecutive games with a TD.

gary clark also racked up nice numbers playing alongside monk. 699 catches and 65 TDs. ricky sanders wasnt bad. for monk to put up the numbers he did seems impressive considering the RB's, WR's and system he played in and with.

as far as playing a long time, monk had 801 receptions and 60 TD's after 12 seasons. those numbers are very impressive. michael irvin- the 'playmaker'- had 750 and 65 after 12 seasons on a run first team. after that he put up sub par numbers for 3+ seasons, so even though he played for 16 seasons, the argument about his numbers purely being from longevity isnt very solid.

as far as the pro bowl, i've seen many players make pro bowls over more deserving ones.